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I think you should just make a clean break of it and just tell him that you want to end it, that he is married now and should put his focus on his wife. And then you can go find someone who will want to be with just you, as well. It will probably be awkward at work for a while, but I think just stopping will be a lot less awkward or painful than slowing down with intentions of eventually stopping would. I think that would just drag everything out.
ValoraParticipantIf she ended it with you because she was frustrated that you wouldn’t open up and if you want her back, it might be smart to contact her. She did, afterall, get in touch with you twice already, once by texting you and the next time by showing up at your house. If she feels like she made a move twice and it’s now your turn, she might be feeling the same way right now… wondering why you aren’t getting in contact with her.
ValoraParticipantFirst, I think you should ask yourself if you want to be with someone you have to share or if you would rather be in a relationship with someone who is with you and only you. If you want the latter, I think you should definitely, definitely cut all romantic ties with this man. He may have been pressured, by family but it was still ultimately his choice to go through with the marriage.
If you don’t mind sharing a man with another woman, does his wife know about you two? Because if not, that is a whole other added problem.
February 1, 2019 at 9:06 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #278063ValoraParticipantHi Alia,
I totally agree with what Anita just said. Another good thing about taking the first 6-8 weeks to develop a friendship and then reevaluate is that if someone is only interested in sleeping with you and that is it, I’ve found that those guys tend to give up and run off before the 6-week mark. It’s a great way to weed that type of guy out (and good riddance, too!). Sometimes the chemistry you feel is just sexual and sometimes you seem to have so much in common because they are just telling you what they think you want to hear (and some are very good add it, asking all kinds of questions, seemingly trying to get to know you). However, if someone is TRULY interested and in it for the potential of a long-term relationship, they will have no problem with moving more slowly.
February 1, 2019 at 8:32 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #278055ValoraParticipantThis is all so confusing for me and so tormenting in some ways. We are creeping up on the anniversary of the day we met. 2/5/19. I can’t help but wonder if this is how my ex was feeling at this time when she left me? If she did love me but wasn’t “in love” with me like she should have been. If there were just too many issues that she did try to deal with and couldn’t anymore. But then I wonder if she was feeling this way and did reach out to another man before she left me. Even if it was just conversation. Just like I had done with my girlfriend.
I know I can’t think what if or question or assume things. Just telling you all what has been going through my mind. Including “why in the world would someone that clearly expressed they want nothing to do with me EVER. Why would the repeatedly come back?”
Yeah, the biggest problem with questioning is that there is absolutely know way to know the real answers. From your ex’s actions, it sounds like she doesn’t even know how she feels or what she wants, and that’s definitely something she would need to figure out before she can happily succeed in any long-term relationship. It’s better that she stays away from you while she’s still in this immaturity mode, because it wouldn’t fare well for you guys either.
I don’t know how to do this or if/when I tell her that she needs to move on and it’s not working. I don’t even know where to begin that conversation or ???
If you haven’t noticed. I’m the type that would rather suffer than bring someone else hurt and pain.
I am also this type. Everyone else’s needs and wants come before mine, but I’ve learned over the last year that you cannot pour from an empty cup. When you drag yourself down by not meeting your own needs, it drags everyone else around you down, too. Causing short-term pain is better than a very slow, long-term descent into misery for both of you.
I’ve also found it helps to reframe things in your mind: Breaking up might cause her hurt and pain in the short term, but you two staying together in a relationship when you are not compatible is keeping you both from finding someone you are compatible with… so you staying with her is also keeping her from being with someone who is truly a match with her… which is much worse, in my opinion, than short-term heartbreak.
So, in terms of a talk, it might just be best to rip off the band-aid. Tell her you’ve been doing a lot of thinking and as wonderful and loving as she is, you don’t feel like you’re a match for each other. Then you’re going to have to stand firm with that. She’s going to feel hurt because she loves you and rejection sucks, but it’s better than staying in an incompatible relationship when there are people out there for you both who are likely much better matches and who you each would be happier with overall.
Having said that… keep in mind that I don’t know either of you personally, so my opinion on all of this is just based on what you’ve said about the amount of fighting you guys do and your own feelings you’ve expressed here. I had a guy in the past that I was just swooning over for literally 10 years and I thought we were meant to be and that I’d never get over him. No guys ever compared or made me feel anywhere close to what he did, but as soon as I met my most recent ex, my feelings for the other guy just completely disappeared and even now I don’t think about that other guy in that way, whom I’m still friends with… so that’s one reason how I know that if you were with the right one for you, you wouldn’t be thinking of your ex the way you do now because you would be too happy and enamored with your current girlfriend to even care… if she were a match.
ValoraParticipantHi Occitanie,
Have you tried messaging her or are you leaving it up to her to contact you?
ValoraParticipantThen I will revisit my feelings and my girls feelings and how we are all doing. If it hasn’t changed, then I will have to have a talk with her. I’m not looking forward to that at all. But If things don’t change, I know I can’t live like this anymore. for me or my girls. I feel like such an asshole.
I believe you said this exact thing back in November, where your plan was to wait and see until how you felt in the new year, and you’re still feeling the same way and saying the same things. Do you think it’s possible you’re trying to drag this out because it’s a conversation you don’t want to have because it makes you feel guilty?
Also… what would happen if your ex came to you tomorrow and said she wanted to start over and be with you again and told you everything you wanted to hear? What would you do about your situation with your current girlfriend then? Because even if your ex came back, you still have this problem of your girlfriend depending on you.
January 30, 2019 at 6:37 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #277733ValoraParticipantYeah, I don’t think playing that word game with your ex helped you any, even though it felt good at the time. It sounds like it ended up pulling you backwards a bit. That’s happened to me when my ex has contacted me, too. It gives you a weird sort of hope, only for it to fall flat. I think you’re doing the right thing by not contacting her, though, because she showed a lot of immaturity still over the past few weeks.
I also think you should quit beating yourself up over why you don’t feel like this with your girlfriend. It’s VERY likely you don’t feel like that for her because your girlfriend isn’t a match for you. If you found a woman who IS a good match, I bet you’d feel those feelings for her and your feelings for your ex would start to really fade more. So there’s no point in feeling like a jerk about how you don’t feel or remember things with your current girlfriend… you cannot help how you feel or don’t feel. Those feelings just show you that she isn’t the one for you, especially since you’ve been saying the same thing for months now.
You HAVE put yourself in quite the situation and it’s going to take a little time to be able to get out of it, given that you don’t want to make your girlfriend move to another family member’s house, so you’re just going to have to try to do what you can to help her to be able to move and, hopefully in the next month, with tax season, she’ll be in a better position to move out.
ValoraParticipantHi Jemma,
I have trust issues, too, even when the person I’m dating has given me no reason to not trust him, and I’ve took a lot of time over the last year to get to the bottom of them. So maybe my experience will help you, too. I had a boyfriend when I was younger that cheated on me quite a lot, and I kept going back to him anyway. Over the years, I’d assumed my trust issues came from that experience, but when I dug deeper, I realized that it probably wasn’t that because he was someone you would expect to cheat… his dad was a cheater, his friends all cheated on their girlfriends, etc., so what he did wasn’t really a surprise and I stayed because I was young and stupid. haha. I found out that my trust issues actually stem from the instances where people you would never, ever think would cheat end up cheating. My mom, a good, Christian woman with a strict moral compass, cheated on my dad. My sister, same moral compass, cheated on her husband. I’ve had friends who I never thought would cheat that did. I think these are the things that hurt trust the most because you feel like you can just never tell and no how many times someone might assure you that they won’t, they still could.
So… what I’ve learned is that there is no magical formula to be able to trust. There is ALWAYS going to be a risk there because we are all humans, but if you find someone who is loyal, have faith in them and know that they’re worth that risk. The only thing that has kept my faith in loyalty is knowing how I am, which is loyal to practically a fault. There are people out there who deserve our trust, and if you have been with your boyfriend for a long time and he’s never really given you any reason not to trust him, then have faith that he will keep doing the right thing…. especially if he doesn’t tend to put himself in situations where he would be tempted.
I’ve also learned intuition can play a part on helping you decide whether you are right not to trust someone or if it’s your trust issues acting up. If you have a thought or feeling like someone is potentially betraying you and feel a fear in the pit of your stomach that gives you anxiety, that likely isn’t intuition, it’s your fear/ego making you mistrust. If you have a thought of betrayal and you still somehow feel calm, like it’s there but it’s something that is supposed to happen, that’s intuition.
January 28, 2019 at 8:10 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #277487ValoraParticipantYeah, I still have those days from time to time, too. I’m not sure that can be helped, but just know you’ll likely feel better tomorrow or once you get your mind off of it. Usually venting helps me because then I stop dwelling after I vent.
ValoraParticipantIf I’m reading that last one correctly… your phone was in the car but she said you didn’t need your phone because she wasn’t on her phone, then her phone dinged with a text message and you questioned her about it, right?
It’s entirely possible, though, that she WASN’T texting but someone just randomly sent her a message. Happens to me all the time because I rarely text people first unless I have a question or something. So maybe it would help if you could start thinking of scenarios that give her the benefit of the doubt instead of asking questions about it right away?
ValoraParticipantYou said you have a plan, right? In the other thread? Tax refund time is coming and she will be able to use those to pay some things off or maybe have a deposit for a place? Maybe you should tell her how you’re feeling so that you can both search for maybe some other affordable places that she could go. Does she have any close friends that might want to be roommates? Any way they could stay with her brother at her old place for a while or with her mom?
I can tell you, she will most definitely be more motivated to get back on her feet a lot quicker if she’s in a situation she doesn’t really want to be in than if she stays with you. Right now, it’s more of an advantage to her if she stays with you and DOESN’T get back on her feet because she wants to be with you and you will not leave her as long as she’s unable to find another place to live. Know what I mean? I’m not saying to immediately kick her out, but if your daughter is miserable, you really should definitely do what you can to help move this along as fast as possible. I would probably just go ahead and have a talk with your girlfriend. Make it clear that you don’t feel the relationship is working for you (I think you HAVE given it a sold try already… and the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs you just wrote say it all), and that you will help her come up with a good solution on where to move to, but it will have to happen soon.
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January 24, 2019 at 8:20 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #276741ValoraParticipantAs someone who’s never even had a serious relationship, I just thought it was a matter of interest: if there’s a connection/interest, you pursue it. If not, then you drop it. That’s why it was so confusing because I know there was an interest. I also thought a year was enough time and that he was dating, it showed he was ready.
Yeah, once you’ve had a heartbreak or two, especially a devastating one, it tends to complicate things so that it’s not quite as easy as whether you feel interested or not. I’ve passed on some really great guys in the past because I just wasn’t ready to let myself take that risk yet. Sometimes you feel like you’re ready and you really want to be with someone, and then once you start to develop stronger feelings, it’s like whoooaaa, nope, not ready. haha. So when he said it wasn’t you, definitely believe him. I really think it’s just him still trying to deal with what happened, and there’s never a time limit for that. And it’s also good that this happened NOW rather than you two getting into a committed relationship for years and then him freaking out when it’s time to make a bigger commitment (like moving in or marriage) and him leaving THEN, even though you still love each other. That can definitely happen, too (there are some people that are comfortable with a relationship level of commitment but moving toward any deeper commitment than that causes them to run).
I hope this trip that he is on allows him some alone time to do some thinking. Sometimes that’s all people need to calm down and get things back into perspective. Otherwise, I think you have a good plan, and it sounds like you’ve got a really good head on your shoulders. When you’re single, taking the time to focus on you and your own happiness for a while is always a great thing to do!
January 24, 2019 at 7:10 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #276605ValoraParticipantSometimes divorce can actually make someone afraid to commit, so be sure not to rule out the possibility that he’s afraid to commit just because he committed to someone before. Divorce can create that fear, depending on the situation. I can see being blindsided by someone suddenly falling out of love with you while you still deeply love them creating that fear, for sure.
To be clear… the following is all just speculation on my part from what I’ve learned over the years:
To me, his actions do make it seem like he’s afraid. When he’s away from you, it’s safe for him to try to push you away because he can’t see you when he does it and this allows his mind to detach a bit, but when you’re with him in person, he can physically feel his feelings for you and he can’t push you away in that case.
Also, sex is not an intimate thing in general to most guys. I say most because it is to some, for sure, but I have way too many guy friends, hearing what they talk about, to think guys in general really care about an emotional attachment to who they sleep with. haha. And he probably wanted to go on dates with you because he liked being around you and felt the connection you had but didn’t want to go deeper into a relationship because he’s afraid of going deeper (and that has nothing to do with you personally and it’s not something you or anyone else can change. He has to fix the fear on his own and also feel ready). And it’s probably that fear that’s making him push you away now. It definitely is possible that he started to have real feelings for you and that those feelings made him freak out, decide he wasn’t ready for the way he is feeling, and now he’s backing off again.
So, overall, I don’t think you’ve misread things entirely. It sounds like you do have a connection with him, but you might have overestimated his ability to commit right now (and he might have at the beginning, too). I’m a little over a year outside of a breakup that blindsided me in a similar way and that wasn’t even a marriage, so I can understand where your guy might be coming from a little bit. The pain that breakup caused me was devastating and now that I’m feeling pretty good again, I do want to be in a relationship but the idea of feeling that level of pain again freaks me out whenever I even think about actually dating. I’m telling you this because maybe MY feelings will help you understand HIS feelings a little bit more and how this really can happen.
I don’t meet many people that I’m interested in either so I get where you’re coming from, too. It sucks when you FINALLY meet someone you like and they turn out to not be what you hoped they were (i.e., you find out they’re likely afraid of a real commitment).
The good news is… this likely has absolutely nothing to do with you or your connection with him. There are just issues that he still needs to work through before he’s going to be ready. Hopefully he contacts you when he is or hopefully you find someone you like even better in the meantime.
ValoraParticipantI agree with everything Marina has said here and I’ve found the same from my own breakup experience. Once I was able to quiet my ego so I could hear my heart, things became a lot easier for me… but when you’re right in the middle of it, it’s hard to even believe you can get to that point and it can feel like it will last forever… but it won’t. So if you feel sad, let yourself experience the sadness for a bit and it’ll pass. And it will come and go in waves for a while, but they will slow down and become few and far between over time. And also do the things that make you feel good like the meditating and talking to your mom. Those are very healthy things to do and will absolutely help. Sometimes this stuff just takes time to work through and you have to be mindful and gentle with yourself in the meantime. Trying to keep my thoughts focused on the present always helped me too. When they’d drift to the past or the future, I just tried to refocus to the hear and now, and in the present moment, as long as we are not in any immediate danger, the here and now is usually better than our egos want us to believe it is.
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