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  • #267511

    anita
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    Dear Lisa:

    You are a fascinating woman, never  met or  communicated with  anyone like you. It takes a  lot of time  and effort for me to understand you, a  process that is still ongoing- after submitting the post to you yesterday, I thought to myself: I don’t  think it gets to the point  of men criticizing Lisa, relationships don’t start before any criticism is expressed (which is different from what I suggested to you in the  post). But then, still thinking to myself, I thought maybe Lisa is imagining men are  criticizing her in their thoughts.

    Next, this morning, I read your recent post and I am learning something  new- it  is  not that you are afraid  of men’s criticism of you, be  it expressed  or imagined, it is that you are greatly distressed about  men not caring enough to criticize you, to bother to criticize you!

    You wrote regarding men: “I am basically non existent to them and don’t think they would  love or hate  me enough to  have any strong opinion…  In my daydreaming the  men I am involved with are critical of me… the criticism is  constructive. They criticize me to help me. In reality they don’t care. So I have to say in my fantasies I am criticized but  it is  usually because they feel strongly towards me”.

    But how would a man care for you if there was no relationship, not even a beginning? Do you mean that no man has fallen in love with you based on the visual of you, just seeing you, a fast beating  of the heart event that would motivate the man to  pursue you? Do you mean that no man has ever  pursued  you at all, didn’t ask you to have  dinner with him or  go to the movies, or take a walk with him in the park, no such thing?

    You wrote regarding your experience with your family: “I felt as if  I  was  only cared about because  I existed and  not because  they felt  I was anyone special”- your family members on the  other hand  (unlike  men in your life as a teenager and adult) did have interactions with you, they were there in the same  house but they didn’t recognize you as someone special, instead they saw you as something  that existed, that is all.

    “I feel like I  have  to  show inferiority just to be  allowed  to be  in the room and steal the  crumbs off the  floor. Of course I highly resent this and express my frustration so  it’s a no win situation for  me”- I think that this  is true to  your life as a child and now, throughout, correct?

    So you have been invisible as  anything  more than  something that existed and you were expected to behave as an inferior, in your childhood home and since?

    anita

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    #267521

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Lisa:

    Regarding the  last sentence in your recent post: “Men are not afraid of me Anita but saying so clears them of how they really feel which is after I really speak… nothing”, I have two questions to you that I feel are important:

    1. “but saying so”- do you mean  men have told you that they are afraid of you?

    2. And what do you mean by “after I really speak”- what have you spoken to men before they felt nothing?

    anita

     

    #267663

    Lisa
    Participant

    Anita I want to reply to your previous post but I am a little tired and will post tomorrow. I would like to answer the two questions you asked me though.

    1. “But saying so” I was speaking in a general way to a belief that the “answer to my problem” is that I cause men to be afraid of me I feel that general belief lifts any accountability on them for seeing me as someone they had no use for unless they were in need of someone to help them with thier families and I certainly wasn’t the wife or the mother. I was the helper. I feel so powerless that I feel my only power is to speak the truth.

     

    2. “After I really speak” means after I say what is truly on my mind. I feel some men resent my having an opinion but I have also have toned it down and then I get the label of “really nice person” but it gets me no where. Things just go on the same whether sad, mad or glad.  It is this reason that I get mad. No amount of effort changes my situation and then I am sad which turns to feeling mad..

    I am really tired Anita. I am not even sure I answered your questions correctly

    I will post again tommorow.

    Thank you,

    Lisa

    #267703

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Lisa:

    Thank you for answering my questions even though you are so tired. You’ve always been responsible this way, replying no matter how tired you were, even sick. Why don’t you take your time and if and when you feel fresh enough, and if you choose at all to answer me, please do:

    In regard to question #1; did men tell you that they are afraid of you, did men say something  like: I am scared of you, or you scare me?

    In regard to  question #2; can you give a couple of examples of what you said to men as you expressed what was truly  on your mind, what opinions you expressed to them (“I say what is truly on my mind. I feel some men resent my having an opinion”)

    anita

    #268023

    Lisa
    Participant

    I wrote half of explaining my work tonight but I deleted it. I am just so tired of explaining weird injustices. I will try to condense. Computer I was on was acting up. I switched computers with a co worker and he had no trouble and later my second computer acted up.

    My manager earlier told me I pushed the wrong button on my screen and I knew for a fact I hadn’t. She said it in a way that was commanding like telling me to admit that an apple is an orange. I protested and said no I did not…yes you did…no I did not..I know what I pushed. I was in a very good mood tonight and I am braver when I am in a good mood. There was a person in front of us who told me after she left that I had pushed the right button. Innocently asking for help and talk to with so much annoyance. I finally switched the computer and then a half an hour later the new one I was on acted up. What is the explanation for a glitch to follow me to another computer? I started to get paranoid.like someone was tring to sabotage me, my work. I have always had electricity in my body but I wonder if the cold effects my hands and the screen or maybe I have healing hands? I am looking for why my computer is acting up.

    I went on again but I have to vent.

     

    #268025

    Lisa
    Participant

    All I can say is that I go into work with a friendly mindset. I go out the door with a focus on being friendly. I am bullied by the latest person who wants to gaslight me, surrounded by people loved by others who have no idea why the computers just happen to be going wrong when I am in front of them and evety time I tried to show someone they would work fine. People walk away and then they act up again. You wonder why I feel I got something following me around causing havoc. There is no logical explanation for a computer only having a problem with me alone and then working fine when I try to show someone. My increased frustration although I did my best to make light of it shows. I tried to do someone a favor on the way home tonight only to be questioned about it in a condescending way. I’m done. I’m tired. I didn’t DO one thing tonight to cause any of the problems I experienced. I didn’t do one thing to get the attitudes I got. I have been on a mission to look out for myself these past two weeks and I wonder if people get angry when I obtain my goals at work or life?

    Was in a optimistic mood but now just tired.

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    #268081

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Lisa:

    More bad experiences, it is amazing how many distressing experiences one can have  and still live to tell about them. I mean, this is daily, often multiple times a day. It is so not only  in your case, but in mine as well, that  is, feeling distressed so often, day after day, year after year, and  I too lived to tell about it, right here.

    In your recent posts I see the  Lisa who speaks her  mind: No, I didn’t (push the  button)! She  doesn’t submit, she speaks her  mind! But she  also gets exhausted because  that is  what distress does, it  exhausts us.

    anita

    #268463

    Lisa
    Participant

    Because I don’t see people as “moody” or “that’s just the way they are” I have to come up with a reason for their behaivor because I always believe there is a reason behind everything. It’s hard for me to rationally address something I find irrational. Others can calmly say like “I don’t like it when you speak to me that way,” and don’t bother to wonder why someone is speaking “that way” to them. I have to know why and if I can not come up with a logical answer then it just must be me. There is something wrong with me otherwise this makes no sense and why would someone who is irrational be in the position of authority that they are in?

    I often think it is because they put on a different tone or voice depending on whom they are speaking with.

    Anyway, much to work on but I have to get through my work today first.

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    #268485

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Lisa:

    “why would someone who  is irrational be in the position of authority that they are in?”, you wrote. I would like to read your thoughts  about it when you have the time.

    anita

     

    #268799

    Lisa
    Participant

    I would imagine they pick and choose with whom they are irrational. If they were irrational with everyone they wouldn’t go far. I say why not be rational with everyone instead of just those you put on a pedestal or those who can do something for you?

    I believe in democracy but I do believe that people should be expected to at least treat everyone well.

    Every time I read up on things I need to work on I ask myself…well what about Bridezillas? I am not even close to being that spoiled and yet everyone works hard to give them what they want and they are often rude, demanding, unfriendly….the only thing I can come up with is that all involved are working on a very basic level that has nothing to do with enlightenment or an awakening.

    Oh how I wish I didn’t “see” so much. I would be loved, liked…

    There is a line in a Beatle’s song that I love:

    “Living is easy with eyes closed.”

    #268829

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Lisa:

    “Oh how I wish I didn’t ‘see’ so much. I would be loved, liked… ‘Living is easy with eyes closed'”-

    I learned in my life that there is that when  I see things correctly, then there is more to see. Here is a way to  know  if you see things correctly: if there is still more to see.  If there  is  no more to see, if you think you understand it all, the way it is, case closed, nothing  more to see, then there is something  incorrect in that seeing.

    An example in my life: I used  to think that people are trying to hurt me, often, that this is their intent. I still hear that voice in my head warning  me, that  someone  is angry at  me and will take their revenge soon. I was stuck seeing  that  and only that, hoping again and again for something  different, but.. nope, nothing different happened, I saw nothing new.

    Until I did. I finally saw that it was my mother who  was angry with me and  it  was she who took her revenge, again and again and  yet, again. And  I saw that  all the people I feared, none  bothered  to punish me, not even close to her passion to punish me  and humiliate  me.

    So over time, I realized not everyone  is my mother, that she is only one  person. Sure, there are cruel people out there, but in my personal life, I didn’t encounter one who was cruel to me anywhere close to the extent that she was.

    In summary, I saw  my mother in everyone and thought I  saw all there is to see. Now I see people, this  and that individual. I see individuals.

    anita

     

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