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June 7, 2026 at 1:26 am #458426
starlight1ParticipantJust an update – the thoughts i shared were just part of an ongoing situation and they are not a conclusion.
June 7, 2026 at 9:49 am #458429
anitaParticipantHello Starlight ✨️
Good to read from you again 🙂
I wish you could elaborate on the “ongoing situation”. By “a conclusion”, you mean to forgive- or not to forgive?
As I read through the posts in this thread, I noticed that you didn’t mention your mother having aologized and having made amends (actions, not just words) for making you give up art school and do housework, so that she’ll pursue her art aspirations.
“I don’t forgive” is the title of this thread-
If the person that took unfair advantage of you doesn’t apologize and make amends is still in your life and doesn’t even acknowledge wrongdoing, how are you supposed to forgive that person?
🤔 Anita
June 7, 2026 at 1:37 pm #458434
RobertaParticipantHello Starlight
I am a bit confused “When i was younger, i could have gone to art school to do a foundation course, and then perhaps fine art. But about the time i was thinking of this, my mother decided she was going to go to the art school. She told me i should help support her by doing housework. I ended up leaving and going to work.”When your mum asked you to do housework, was that taking on some of the chores around the family home or did she mean you going out & earning money to support her? Also you said you were thinking about the art course, did you talk to your mum about your dreams, before she went ahead & actioned hers?
I did art as a nightschool subject ( I was rubbish, but still got pleasure) & I also did a distance learning course in arts & antiques ( I think I have a good eye) all whilst raising a family & working.
Is art for you an expression of your thoughts & feelings? and or a way of getting money, recognition & prestige? Does the action of creating something bring you joy?
Who owns your art & joy? you, your mother, art critiques?
Was/ is your mother happy & fulfilled by going to study art?
What is art to you? I have a friend who is in their seventies & has only just started to express & explore herself thru art, so it is never to late to reclaim yourself.
Kind regards
RobertaJune 7, 2026 at 4:43 pm #458439
starlight1ParticipantHi Anita, thanks for writing. I dont want to be unfair. Everyone does or gets things wrong sometimes. Perhaps i could have spoken to her more about this. Anyway, i do think what you are saying makes sense. Its something i would like to apply in my own life.
Hi Roberta, i realise you are confused but just think its good to go over an explanation again at the moment. Thank you for wanting to help though.
June 7, 2026 at 5:40 pm #458442
anitaParticipantHi again, Starlight✨️
I hear that you don’t want to be unfair, and that shows how thoughtful you are. At the same time, it’s important to remember that you were very young, and the responsibility to communicate clearly or protect your opportunities was never supposed to fall on you.
Parents are the ones who should notice, guide, and support — not the other way around.
When I mentioned apology and amends, I meant that forgiveness becomes confusing when the person who caused the harm doesn’t acknowledge it. I’m glad what I said made sense to you. I’m here for you whenever you want to talk 🙂
Anita
June 8, 2026 at 12:04 am #458450
RobertaParticipantDear Starlight
I have just read what you have written on other threads & I see more clearly what you have been thru.
My mother never acknowledged or apologized. The forgiveness is to help me heal & make me stronger. Only the other day when I was clearing out old stuff of my mothers I came across a letter that was for me, that my eldest son wrote decades ago. I do not know whether she was trying to protect me or just her being dominant, I wrote to my son and said sorry that his questions had gone unanswered & that any hurt extending from that was inadvertent. I refrained from going on too much about my mother as I wanted not to hold resentment in my heart.
I hope you find a path that brings peace & understanding
Roberta
#June 8, 2026 at 10:00 am #458458
anitaParticipantGood morning, Starlight✨️
I wanted to share something from my own experience: for a very long time, I was struggling with anger at my mother, guilt for feeling that anger, and a deep confusion about what I was ‘supposed’ to feel.
Back then, people often encouraged me to understand my mother, to empathize with her, to forgive her, to see her wounds. They meant well, but those messages actually made things harder for me.
I was already overflowing with empathy for her and had none for myself. I was already blaming myself, already feeling guilty, already trying to excuse her behavior. Being urged to forgive or to see her side didn’t help me heal — it pushed me deeper into guilt and self‑doubt, and it kept me stuck in the same emotional position I had been in as a child.
I’m not saying forgiveness is wrong; I’m saying that when someone is still hurting, still trying to understand what happened to them, and still trying to find their own voice, being told to forgive or to see the parent’s perspective can feel like pressure rather than support.
What helped me wasn’t being told to rise above it — it was being told that my anger made sense, that my pain was real, and that I was allowed to have my own experience. I just wanted to offer that in case you’ve ever felt something similar.
You get to move at your own pace, in your own way, without anyone else defining what healing should look like for you!
Anita
June 9, 2026 at 6:38 am #458476
AlessaParticipantHi Starlight
I think when it comes to abuse, forgiveness is more of a journey than something we just do.
It took me about 7 years of trying to understand forgiveness to finally forgive my abusive biological mother. That was harder than forgiving myself. I worked on that first.
I agree, forgiveness doesn’t necessarily mean reconciliation. Even forgiving others is just about letting go of pain. And forgiving yourself, not punishing yourself because you have been through enough of that already. You don’t need to figure this out today, or tomorrow or even a year from now. There is no rush. Pain takes time to heal. 🩵
I wish you good luck with your art. Please be gentle with yourself and maybe seek inspiration to help get the juices flowing? Please feel free to share your art in the forum if you would like to. 🩵
If you have any questions about my journey of forgiving myself and others please don’t hesitate to ask. 🩵
June 28, 2026 at 1:38 am #458949
starlight1ParticipantHi, sorry i havent been online, and i realise i may not have explained clearly enough the situation, and i apologise for that but it was a complicated situation and its taken some time to tease apart the different issues. My mother did apologise generally for neglect many years later (about 25/30 years after), and she didnt actually stop me going to art school at the time but my mental health had got so poor due to the situation at home, and what seems clear to me now was the effective sabotage of my education and art making through guilt tripping and discomfort and lack of validation (ie no pictures were put up) when i achieved, and her own need for validation.
Thank you so much to each one of you that has kindly and thoughtfully responded – Anita, Alessa, Roberta, which has helped me a great deal to process some of whats happened! Im really grateful to you, and only had not responded before because it was a bit overwhelming posting on a public forum.
The situation had been ongoing because i still had some contact, but i realise now it may be best for each of us, my mother and I, not to have contact.
Also, there were a couple of other significant issues in the relationship which had been detrimental to my health. Essentially i dont think its a safe relationship for me.
A major realisation of this happened when i asked myself the question, what do i need her to say to me etc? Asking this helped me come to terms with things a bit better.
Anita, i just want to say that your response where you explained how trying to see things from your mums perspective can sometimes get you stuck (i think thats what was said?), was hugely helpful. I think it can get you stuck, because a person needs to acknowledge and develop understanding of their own needs, way to communicate and likes and dislikes; and putting someone else first emotionally or even physically when that conflicts with your own needs can be detrimental to that.
With respect to art making, i bought myself a really simple artbook with basic ideas to see how another person works, and i find it inspiring when i feel blocked because of its simplicity (its aimed at people who dont think they can do art). It takes the pressure off from having any potentially unrealistic expectations over artmaking when i look at it, helps me see things step by step, and relax more.
June 28, 2026 at 2:37 am #458950
starlight1ParticipantPs i dont think i explained my thinking the best way in my last post. What i meant was that a child ought not to be responsible for their parent, and if a child learns to put their parents (emotional) needs first, and consequently misses out on the nurturing they themselves need then all the repressed emotions, needs, longings, hopes and dreams, and self expression can get stuck. In my case its taken years to really understand what this has meant for me practically.
June 28, 2026 at 12:56 pm #458959
anitaParticipantDear Starlight ✨🤍💫
It sounds like you have gained a lot of clarity these past weeks. You’ve been doing deep, difficult work, and it really shows. It makes sense that it felt overwhelming, and you don’t owe anyone a quicker reply. Taking time away is completely okay 🙂
I love that you found a simple art book that feels gentle and doable. That’s such a kind way to reconnect with your creativity — step by step, without pressure.
About what you shared in the “Psychic ‘attack’” thread — that sense of something unwelcome near you makes emotional sense given the enmeshment you’ve been untangling. It reflects how deeply and negatively that old bond affected you, not anything supernatural or dangerous.
Best I understand, what your mother did to you wasn’t a single, loud act of stopping you from going to art school — it was the long, quiet erosion of your confidence, your identity, and your right to have a life of your own.
She created an emotional atmosphere where you were guilt‑tripped for having needs (“guilt tripping”, your words), made uncomfortable when you succeeded (“no pictures were put up”), denied validation when you achieved something (“lack of validation”), and subtly pushed into supporting her dreams instead of developing your own (“help support her by doing housework” while she pursued art).
That kind of environment slowly wears down a young person’s sense of worth until the door to their future feels closed — not because they weren’t allowed to walk through it, but because they no longer believed they had the right or the strength to.
What you’re seeing now — the sabotage, the enmeshment, the way your mental health deteriorated — is the real damage. And it makes complete sense that it took time and distance for you to recognize it.
Stepping back from contact with your mother can help you in ways that go far beyond avoiding conflict — it gives you the space you’ve never had to develop a self that isn’t shaped by her needs, her guilt, or her emotional reactions.
Every time an enmeshed adult child reconnects, even briefly, the old pattern pulls them back into the role they were trained to play: the child who must manage the mother’s feelings, protect her from discomfort, and silence their own needs. That isn’t your fault — it’s the pattern she created.
As long as there is contact, that pattern gets reinforced, and your mind doesn’t get the quiet it needs to grow in its own direction. No contact isn’t about punishment; it’s protection. It’s the boundary that allows your identity, your creativity, and your inner clarity to finally take root without being overridden.
You deserve a life where your thoughts belong to you, where your achievements are celebrated, and where your emotional world is not shaped by someone else’s unmet needs. Distance is what makes that possible.
Your decision to step back from contact sounds grounded and protective of your well‑being.
🌿🌿🌿Anita
June 29, 2026 at 12:17 am #458975
starlight1ParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your reply, im glad to hear from you.
I realise there was something i did not say clearly…i did not in the end help with housework, rather i just left to live elsewhere (after a suicide attempt). Later on in life i did try to encourage her artistically, but it would result in me getting more stuck and feeling angry. The atmosphere at home was really a lot to do with my mothers partner, which i held my mother responsible for. Thats what makes it more complicated and brought further issues.
Thanks so much for affirming and encouraging me in my purchase of the art book and the pursuit of creativity and self development. I realise a lot of people might have gone through worse or just as difficult situations. I think a couple of reasons i was so slow to process this was having had experiences of being gaslighted from a young age, and having something of a traumatic bond.
Thanks also for sharing what helped you in your own journey, which really helped.
June 29, 2026 at 12:44 am #458976
starlight1ParticipantHi Roberta,
Thank you for writing – hopefully my recent responses will help clear up any confusion. I just couldnt be creative for many years without it triggering difficult emotions.
I guess art can be about self expression, it can be about exploration and adventure, but really although sometimes i show some competence, i am just a beginner.
I dont want to focus on my mothers needs anymore. It feels draining and i dont think i should sacrifice my needs for hers anymore by revisiting her story, when the effect of that has been to make me feel guilty for living and it in effect hindered me greatly from feeling free to create, achieve and enjoy relationships.
She did say i chose to be born into the family. Im aware she may find and read this.I feel its more my responsibility to try and make amends to others where i am able to.
Im glad you felt you experienced some healing and wish you well.
June 29, 2026 at 1:06 am #458977
starlight1ParticipantHi Alessa,
Thanks for writing here and responding to my situation. At the moment im still finding it difficult to look at forgiveness, but i hope i can ask you about this perhaps in the future?
I just keep giving the situation to ‘God’, source, and trying to be honest about what im thinking or have thought and emotions ive experienced.
Thanks for encouraging me in being creative.
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