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March 5, 2020 at 7:28 am #341622GaiaParticipant
Another thing I’d like to add is that the dry, “restrained”, irregular or even apathetic responding you get from me here is in general my way of interacting with others. It’s like I’m too lethargic or listless to even say coherent sentences when I talk
March 5, 2020 at 8:11 am #341652AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
This is what you wrote recently: “I do relate to the ‘too tired and bitter’.. internally exhausted.. I’ve lost myself a long time ago and now it’s kinda dead (myself).. the dry, ‘restrained’, irregular or even apathetic responding you get from me here in general my way of interacting with others.. I’m too lethargic or listless to even say coherent sentences when I talk”.
I googled the term you mentioned, soul loss, and read in the shamanatrix. com, “top 10 signs you are suffering from soul loss”, I will use their words but not necessarily in order:
Feeling like something is missing, the sensation that a part of the self is gone. Foggy memory, large chunks missing from your memory, Loss of joy, laughter, feel like you have to be tough, cold and mature and just make it through life, lost the sense of childlike wonder, Eyes that lack shine.. dull, lifeless, flat, Loss of power, Feeling stuck, like you can’t move forward, Feeling disconnected from yourself and others, Sensation of a broken, shattered or missing heart.
And still, on that website, it reads: “Soul loss happens when part of one’s soul disconnects during an incident of trauma, but trauma may mean different things to different people. Trauma can be described as anything threatening to the well-being.. Anything that happens to us and elicits a strong emotional response is relevant, no matter how ‘traumatic’ we may judge it to be”.
– What is your Trauma, Gaia?
anita
March 5, 2020 at 8:39 am #341658GaiaParticipantDear Anita
Here what I think has been traumatic in my life: feeling burdened at very young age by my mother emotions, a detached father, having often episodes of being outcasted/made fun of/bullied by school and peers since a very young age, frequent episodes of humiliation and shame (due to me feeling lost and disoriented in real life environments and interactions), feeling chronically unaccomplished and “less than”, spending my whole teen years trying to be someone else instead of just enjoying my years, OCD and other very burdening mental and existential issues, self loathing and extreme mood swings, the persistent feeling of life not being bad (“there are people who have it worse”) but neither of it being enjoyable, gratifying and stimulating, feeling like I have to hide or suppress many parts of myself, also suffering about my crushes has been traumatic for me (it’s laughable to consider it traumatic I know but I’ve suffered obsessively really a lot for them)
March 5, 2020 at 8:44 am #341660GaiaParticipantAnother part of my life I’ve still not mentioned to you yet is that since I was 12/13 I’m part of a female “dance” team that is very tight and “family-like”. But even here I never managed to make close bonds/friendships even thought I’m supposedly part of this loving “family”. You could say I should just leave but it’s not easy when you are a senior member since forever, even here I feel like life never gives me a chance to throw away those old clothes that no longer suit me, making me die slowly. I don’t know Anita, I know it’s hard to understand me or what I say sometimes, I can almost feel like you’re perplexed or clueless when you read what I write or how I feel about things
March 5, 2020 at 9:08 am #341668AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
You listed in your answer trauma (injury) and your reactions to the trauma, not differentiating between the two.
Here are the traumas:
1. “burdened at very young age by my mother emotions”.
2. “being outcasted/ made fun of/ bullied by school and peers since a very young age”.
Here are the results of having suffered trauma: “frequent episodes of humiliation and shame due to me feeling lost and disoriented in real life environments and interactions”, “chronically unaccomplished and ‘less than'”, “spending my whole teen years trying to be someone else instead of just enjoying my years”, OCD and other very burdening mental and existential issues” “self loathing and extreme mood swings”.. “never managed to make close bonds/ friendships”.
You have to separate the two: trauma and results of trauma. Do you agree or disagree?
You wrote to me: “I can almost feel like you’re perplexed or clueless when you read what I write or how I feel about things”- can you explain this further?
anita
March 5, 2020 at 9:30 am #341678GaiaParticipantI do agree that trauma and response to trauma need to be set apart by the way I listed them all together cause they still felt traumatic on the same level: for example I know that mood swings are a response and not the trauma but whenever I experience them is still a traumatic experience to me, that’s it
About the last thing: I recognize that the things I feel or that trouble me aren’t very easy to explain to others or even to understand them myself so it wouldn’t surprise me if you don’t always get them or if I sound like I just whine without a solid reason
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March 5, 2020 at 9:33 am #341682GaiaParticipantI also achieved a new insight: that talking about myself so in depth like I’m doing in this thread just plain terrifies me. I used to think that it would only feel like this in case I would talk with my mom or other certain people but now I realize it’s terrifying in whatever case. That’s another reason I don’t always like to talk with psychotherapists cause opening myself like this is scary and I fear other people responses and opinions, even yours sometimes (not that you scare me, it’s how I feel about everyone in general)
March 5, 2020 at 9:54 am #341686AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
Regarding talking about yourself so in depth terrifying you, remember that it is always your choice to talk or not to talk. You can tell me: I don’t want to talk about X or Y. It is way better that you say that to me instead of talking about X or Y in a half hearted way, that is, saying and not saying something at the same time.
I am glad that you distinguish between trauma and the response to trauma. Mood swings, a response to trauma causes us further trauma, true. Same with the other responses, they cause further trauma. It is like a ball of mud (the original trauma) rolling down a hill, gathering more and more mud, getting bigger and bigger.
I don’t think that you whine “without a solid reason”. I see your reason for your distress (your trauma) as way more solid than you do. If you saw it as solid as I do, you would be interested in dissolving it, so that it is less and less solid. If you dissolve your solid trauma, you will find your soul (undoing that soul loss)- wouldn’t that be a wonderful, beautiful thing!!!
anita
March 6, 2020 at 1:40 am #341780GaiaParticipantDear Anita
I know that the way you wish I took it “seriously” was by seeking a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist, however I’ve already made clear why that isn’t possible and even available on different levels at this time in my life. I don’t even want to cut all contacts with my family, in case that’s what you meant with withdrawing loyalty from them. Whatever it means, it’s not a easy and immediate process, not even in processing it mentally.
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March 6, 2020 at 5:50 am #341798AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
When I wrote to you yesterday the following: I see your reason for your distress (your trauma) as way more solid than you do. If you saw it as solid as I do, you would be interested in dissolving it-
– I wasn’t thinking at all about you “seeking a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist.. cut all contact with my family”. What I was referring to is what you wrote yesterday: “I sound like just whine without a solid reason“.
To elaborate: many times during your threads you minimized the trauma you experienced with your mother, often suggesting that she really has nothing much to do with your mental distress. When I suggested that you remove your loyalty from her, I mean that you stop taking her side and start taking your side. Taking your side will be the start of dissolving the trauma you suffered because of your mother’s behavior.
anita
March 9, 2020 at 2:55 pm #342522GaiaParticipantdear Anita
I feel like I’m doing good enough these days. Coronavirus has spread all through Italy and we all should stay home and avoid contact and going out the best we can. It’s a bit sickening to stay so much inside but however I’m working on myself and trying to be positive for myself instead of toxic. I’m trying not to minimize my pain and try to acknowledge it and instead of beating myself endlessly for indulging in old toxic habits, I try to be accepting of them and remind myself that if they exist, it’s justified. it means I was and am in so much pain that they are needed. I’m trying to stop saying that there’s something wrong with me or that I’m something inherently bad or monstrous, I’m just a person who hurts and have been hurt, but I know that can change.
Sometimes it hits me with shame that I have been also lazy all my life and indulgent and despite that “complaining” even while out there people deal with far worse hardships and still are more mature and responsible than me, but I’ve decided that whenever I’m hit with intense shame or self hatred I’m going to write it here instead of letting it sink inside of me.
March 9, 2020 at 3:42 pm #342526AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
You mentioned the coronavirus: the moment I heard of the coronavirus in Italy, I thought about you and thought of asking you how you were doing (we did not communicate during that time), but didn’t because I figured it’s not going to help, if I inquired.
I like what you wrote in your recent post. From your very first post when you were 18, you wrote about self loathing. My goodness, you’ve been beating yourself up for so long, being aggressive against yourself- no wonder you’ve been suffering for so long. Anyone who is being treated with loathing and aggression suffers, you included.
You wrote: “out there people deal with far worse hardships”- do not underestimate the hardship one suffers when being treated with hatred and aggression, be it from others or from oneself. The latter is worse because the aggressor has 24/7 access to the victim.
anita
March 10, 2020 at 9:06 am #342612GaiaParticipantdear Anita
me and the people nearest to me are healthy. My sister recently came back from a highly infected zone but she’s ok, she’s only required to stay home a couple of weeks and so us too.
For a moment as I read your words about me being aggressive against myself I felt the urge to add “well, I’ve not been as aggressive towards myself as I’ve been with Others, especially in my mind” but I no longer want to invalidate, belittle or not acknowledge my own suffering.
I’ve been also thinking about how things are different than before on a positive note, compared to a couple of years before now when I had at least one panic Attacks (or two) everyday and none to entrust, besides strangers on the internet. My dilemmas and anxieties were so complex and abstract that researching on the internet couldn’t provide me with relief, it was literal hell. I’m going to type here what I used to write on my journal to give you an idea
March 10, 2020 at 9:23 am #342616AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
Good to read that you and your family are well, and very good to read: “I no longer want to invalidate, belittle or not acknowledge my own suffering”. Repeat this intent to yourself whenever you forget about it.
Will be looking forward to read what’s on your journal, so to get an idea.
anita
March 10, 2020 at 9:40 am #342618GaiaParticipant“Upon my multiple senses of selves I also feel like it adds my consciousness who now wants to get better/
I fear I don’t have a soul or a center in me, that I can’t think normal thoughts without imaginating that I’m saying them to someone else and imaginating myself from their point of view/
Memories and images, ‘vibes’, that pop up but I can’t understand if it’s my mind making them up or they come from reality (things I may have seen, dreamt, thought, or a mix of this)/
As I try to fall asleep, it’s like my mind makes up songs, book phrases, places and scary thoughts like: what’s your true face/place, where you are most real (and stuff like this, it’s scary that I can’t find a specific point to this)/
As I fall asleep, my mind can imagine me or a “sense of me” that is physically distant from me/
I definitely feel the detach between my inner self and my interacting/real self, if now I tried to focus on what I say to Others or show to Others I feel the split as it wasn’t the true me and it makes me panic as it makes me think I may Always have showed off a self to my family&friends while my true self is something new and strange to them/
Panic if this state of existential confused fear may repeat in my life causing even more disasters in me, in the way I perceive life with its dreamy memories and vibes, I fear I Always have been in danger in a sick existence/
Feel like what happens to me externally is a mix of my personal inner world. If I see something I fear it may return as an abstract or dreamy memory and so I fear I may no longer set apart reality from this muddle of stuff/
I fear I may not be human and that I don’t have a life like Others/
I feel confined in a state of confused and undefined boundaries/
Panic that I feel there’s something sick and crazy and wrong in my life like it’s non linear (panic increased by existential futuristic movies with time loops, lappings, non linear stuff) it makes me nauseating and so it does that reality is different from everyone point of view, that reality is not just one, I fear I may not exist./
It frustrates me how fragile and weak I am emotionally, like I’m on border of insanity and a life without real pains. What’s wrong with me, why am I like this? I fear there’s no remedy, not even Death, there’s something abnormal about my feelings I can’t trust them…
…especially when it comes to my high school crush. Why did I trust my friend opinion body and soul? My only contact with him was in my fantasies and in what my friend said about him. Did we even see the same reality? I spend a huge part of my life imaginating myself from his eyes (or how I imaginated him seeing me) what I am, beside that? I fear so many abnormal little weird things happened in my life. What I say is nonsensical, my life is nonsensical/
I fear I only ever lived in my mind without contacts with the outside world/
I fear little dumb things I’m used to do: pulling thin hair, moving my finger as I was writing randomly words I’ve been thinking or I dwell on them doing weird gestures and grins fantasizying
I fear how my mind organizes things and reach conclusions before me or Beyond my own understanding,/
I can’t believe to something for real or pray for real. It’s like my life and thoughts are a little show with my own self like I’m hyper aware or my mind is omnipotent
There’s no me Beyond me imaginating myself or myself from Others point of view. When I think ,feel or do things it’s like I Always watch myself do these stuff/
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