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July 31, 2019 at 11:29 am #305927Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
I think after work today, I will take some time to be alone. Maybe go to a yoga class and then get some dinner and maybe eat it outside in some park. Take a few hours before going home. Maybe that is a good idea – I mean what else..
I’m at a loss..
My husband had a day off today (last minute) and I know I caused him so much stress this morning. I know I cause a lot of stress. He was so upset and angry at my lashing out.
It goes back to that conversation between us a few weeks ago, how bad things got, how he chose to stay with someone who was abusive – and now often feels wow, stuck with someone who doesn’t seem to get better. he has hope but he is human – a human.
But I also know I have a lot of stress. I mean look at what we spoke about above, how horrific – and clearly all of this is embedded deep down, being activated constantly recently. anger at others, anger at those who do what they want. perhaps anger at the injustice of it all. never feeling quiet and relaxed, feeling angry and roar. perhaps never feeling any long term relief – and so not trusting that it is possible…maybe
July 31, 2019 at 11:31 am #305929AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I felt overwhelmed because I felt for a moment my own overwhelm at my personal experience with my mother, as a child. And I do feel empathy for you. Your pain today, your anger this morning, is equal in intensity and extent to the pain that your mother inflicted on you.
“life WAS helping her. Everything was her. everything. Even when I thought it wasn’t- it sure was. her”- nothing you ever wrote in your threads is as spot on and as meaningful as this, only a couple of lines and everything is in these two lines. (Two lines on my screen, I have it on 150% magnification).
These two lines, when you have the time, anytime… develop these two lines more, but do so from a calm, kind of resigned state of mind, not from an arguing/ debating intellectual place.
anita
July 31, 2019 at 11:33 am #305931AnonymousGuest* I read your most recent post after posting the above to you.
July 31, 2019 at 11:49 am #305933Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
“life WAS helping her. Everything was her. everything. Even when I thought it wasn’t- it sure was. her”
You know what’s good today Anita. I am so tired, that I am too tired to come from an intellectual state. It reminds me of the concept of how the truth comes out when you hit rock bottom, when you have “nothing” left. Uncovering of sorts. Not that this is “rock bottom” it is simply the twists and turns of the healing journey.
So to elaborate as authentically as I can:
I see me as someone who is strong and capable, as someone who has a good sense of herself. But where did this come from? It is perhaps a lie. See all of life was her. Even when I didn’t think it was her (meaning I was attending to me, myself, my friends, my needs) it wasn’t. It was a lie. See even if I was “attending” to people of my choosing, it was always subconsciously to make her happy. See it was always to make her happy. It was all a lie, that I had any identity or self will – self imposed will – self drive. What is myself anyway?
As a kid I thought, or was told I was defiant and strong willed. It seems doesn’t it – this that I was strong and confident! A person of her own will! But when you ask me what I would be doing if it wasn’t Helping her, appeasing her, my mind is a blank. it occurs to me that this is life. LIFE is her. All her. It is like in Hinduism when they say we reincarnate – so then did I come back as a reincarnation as her crutch…I smirk as this i one of the things she praised teh most! Oh my daughters!! Look at this amazing daughter how Lucky I am to have her, look how much she cares about her mother.
But what is this daughter, who is she? her life has been a lie. CC being so happy and outgoing. lie. CC being so friendly and engaging. lie
All she did was for her mother, to help her mother. Thats all she iss. That is who she is. She is no one else. She is mommys little helper.
She was told all this great stuff about herself, she engaged in so many great things. But her mind and life is blank. A puppet for her mother. The mother child.
The best part, her mom taught her bull***t – so not does she not have a life outside of HER. HER is a lie in itself!! its not like she spent her life attending to an ailing mother dying of cancer for 20 years so her only role is caregiver. No because in this case her life wouldnt be a lie. she would have just missed out on key development perhaps – or had a different route.
This isnt a different route. This is – what is it…
This is a bad birth
July 31, 2019 at 12:11 pm #305939AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
“all of life was her… it was always subconsciously to make her happy. See it was always to make her happy.. when you ask me what I would be doing if it wasn’t Helping her, appeasing her, my mind is blank… LIFE is her. All her… All (CC) did was for her mother, to help her mother. That’s all she is. That is who she is”-
-“who she is”, who Cali Chica has been from the beginning was Love, a little girl who loved her mother completely, so much so that nothing mattered but her mother’s well-being.
Problem is you loved the wrong person: the woman you had the misfortune of being born through, that “bad birth” you mentioned.
Not your fault, you didn’t choose that birth. You loved her not because she was worthy of your love but because of her role in your life: her being your mother.
You are paying a high price for loving the wrong person, a person who misused your love and betrayed it and you. She betrayed your love for her is the same as saying that she betrayed you.
“As a kid I thought, or was told I was defiant and strong willed”- your strongest will by far, your only will, was to make your mother happy, because you loved her purely and completely.
anita
July 31, 2019 at 12:34 pm #305943Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes, you are right.
high price indeed. yet it feels like this:
i paid this high price, of course without choosing, the child comes out loving their mother – as you and i speak about often, the innate state.
I believed my mother far beyond childhood, up until quite recently – as you know – even my first post saying, “toxic but loving parents”
the “but”
the irony! toxic BUT loving, as if!
what does that mean? it means confusion, it means frenzy. someone who knows the truth but can’t accept it, or a truth trying to poke it’s little head, but the conscious squashing it down
you know what else? you have said often, that I must heal in the context of a loving relationship…
Well I feel quite resistant to love, not actively, not consciously – subconsciously
Its like getting fed amazing ice cream daily, but not knowing its value – thinking oh its food.
not having the awareness or insight to appreciate – it doesn’t exist.
if you say to me my husband is kind supportive and loving, i say yes –
but that loving relationship I must be in – to heal
I don’t feel I can appreciate it, or more than the term appreciate it – even begin to gauge what it is
i feel blind to it. blind
July 31, 2019 at 12:45 pm #305951AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
You were betrayed early on. Your mother used your love to hurt you, no wonder you are resistant to love. It brought you pain and incredible frustration as your loving efforts toward your mother failed again and again and again to make her love you as you are.
No wonder you are turned off to love.
I wonder if psychotherapy is right for you at this point, a competent professional able to make it safe for you, in the context of one to one, in his (or her) office, for you to move forward with this.
anita
July 31, 2019 at 12:48 pm #305955Cali ChicaParticipantI think it is, in fact I was searching for one earlier today. Here in NYC there are thousands of course, but how many “competent” caring, not just wanting your money? Hmm..hard to find. Especially on a decent schedule.
And it is not that I am “too good” for it – but there are so many incredible bad ones, especially not suitable for individuals who have done so much work like i have (or yourself) that it makes it that much more difficult. often an assistant to the main psychotherapist is seen first. I find that whole process frustrating and it turns me off. But of course finding anyone of value will take time and effort.
So still, it is my job to try – I must. I will. It may be trial and error – but I must.
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July 31, 2019 at 1:09 pm #305959AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica;
I understand your frustration and it is not easy to find a therapist who is decent, honest, hard working. An expensive one does not mean caring or decent. So yes, it has to be difficult. And the process of going through all the sharing you did on your threads here, yes, it is a difficult concept. But if we can’t make it here, move forward, that is something to look into.
For now, you are tired for sure. I would like it if you at this time practice empathy for yourself. Understand that the extent of your hurt and anger is proportional to how badly you were abused by your mother (and your father adding to it).
I was in a similar situation to yours in that I was newly married, lashed out at husband repeatedly, having had a similar experience with my mother… then I started therapy with the first competent, decent, honest and caring therapist in my life. He first saw me and my husband in a couple or marriage therapy context, his first priority was to maintain and protect the relationship. After that was done, he saw me individually.
If you want, I can look into my notes from that time and share with you the steps in the therapy I received. (If you lived in SoCal I would have recommended to you my former therapist!)
anita
July 31, 2019 at 1:19 pm #305961Cali ChicaParticipantDearest Anita,
I would very much like if you could share those notes, if and when you desire and are able. I admire the perseverance of your therapist in engaging in both couples (newly married) therapy as well as solo – and of course yourself, for persevering through it all.
The proportion example, yes – the anger/hurt is in proportion – what a notable concept…
July 31, 2019 at 1:27 pm #305963AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Keep that notable concept in mind the rest of the day, it will help with you understanding that empathy for yourself is something that is justified and deserved.
I will be back tomorrow morning, planning on dusting off those notes and sharing with you.
anita
July 31, 2019 at 1:37 pm #305965Cali ChicaParticipantThank you Dear Anita, I will keep that in mind. Have a good rest of your day.
July 31, 2019 at 2:05 pm #305967AnonymousGuestYou are welcome, Dearest Cali Chica.
anita
August 1, 2019 at 7:31 am #306031Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good Morning. I woke up today with more clarity. I felt the following:
1) wow one day waking up horrible, the next one okay – feels better
2) feels “bipolar” up and down up and down
3) perhaps I need medication because of these ups and downs…
4) No! these ups and downs are “healing” and feeling and apart of the journey, no need to suppress it with medication, its trauma manifesting itself
5) But…if there’s up and down and up and down – how do I know I am actually moving net forward? and not in circles..?
Have you, Anita, had these sort of thoughts before, back earlier in your journey perhaps? When you would feel enraged and horrible one day, and more calm the next…or that sort of thing. I wonder if any of the above occurred in your brain as well..
August 1, 2019 at 7:56 am #306041AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Of course it occurred in my brain as well. Here is the thing about Ups and Downs vs Moderation: when we go very much down, next the brain goes very much up, it goes from one extreme to the next. When healing, it almost feels like a shame, giving up those Ups. Life becomes dull for a while. Lots of people walk off the healing path because they expected healing to feel like those Ups, but instead, they get no Downs but no UPs either, leaving them bored and figuring they are not doing it right.
Moderation is the cutting of the extremes from one’s experience, no deep downs, no high ups. “Calm is everything”- calm is Moderation, no extremes. Mindfulness is the ongoing practice of calm in everything you do, starting in the morning with the relative thorough making of the bed, and every time you open your mouth to speak, before you say the words, you choose the words and the volume of your voice. It is this practice that will bring you to calm and moderation.
anita
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