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  • #236027
    Valora
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    Anita, I understand what you’re trying to say, but I still disagree. For example, the heart activation I felt really only strongly happened when I was right next to him, like when hugging him. I COULD activate it sometimes by memory but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as strong of a feeling, and I’m not sure I could feel it now even if I tried. I’ve definitely never felt it for any of my other ex’s and not for anyone since. I don’t think it’s something you can really judge or attribute to something unless you’ve actually felt it because otherwise it’s sort of hard to understand how different it is. My ex and I also had a ridiculous amount of weird things in common and neither of us had felt a connection like that before.

    Although I definitely do think that parent/child relationships have a huge impact on people that follow them into adulthood and that we do put our parents on pedestals as well when we are younger as if they can do no wrong, I just don’t believe that everything can be attributed or likened to that. It’s not quite that cut-and-dry, especially considering John and I most definitely had different upbringings (my parents both have always been and are still a very big part of my life) and yet we still seem to have had similar feelings for our ex’s. Your take does seem very Freudian, but not everyone agreed with Freud either. I think the same goes for every psychologist/psychoanalyst though. We all have our theories and they won’t all line up. It’s interesting anyway and I appreciate your take on it. I just don’t necessarily agree. Just because we put both parents and lovers on pedestals does not really mean that we put lovers on pedestals BECAUSE we put parents there previously. It correlates, but that doesn’t mean it’s the cause. Know what I mean?

    Also, my word “passion” comes from Sternberg’s triangular theory of love, so that’s really his word. Just another psychological theory that may or may not be accurate. Feelings and relationships certainly are complicated.

    #236035
    Valora
    Participant

    “My point was, I was a skeptic. I didn’t believe in that until it happened to me.  It’s such a strong feeling that it’s something that you cannot explain.  And yes, if she were to text me, call me, or see me.  I would feel the same way Valora did when she hugged her ex.  EVERY TIME!

    I’ve thought i was in love before her.  I know now that I wasn’t.  Or if I was it wasn’t a true, unconditional love.”

    John, yep. Your whole paragraph is what it’s like. I’ve always been a bit of a romantic with a full heart, but this was different and it’s not easily explainable. My ex and I tried to explain it both when we were together and right after we broke up. We still felt it even after the breakup, but he was just at such an extremely low point in his life (both personal/emotional and health issues that I couldn’t help with) and I had my own issues to deal with, our communication eventually fell apart, and even though that feeling/connection is amazing and strong, it still isn’t enough to hold 2 people together when communication breaks down. It really is a shame. It definitely is hard to get over. I reacted to our breakup in a way that I never have with any of my others, too. I basically ran from it. I still don’t go to his town because I feel like it’d be too painful. haha. Neeeever have had that problem with any breakups. If anything, I’d TRY to run into them. With him, it was the opposite.

    Feel free to vent to us and definitely don’t to your girlfriend. I can’t imagine how that feels for her, so better to vent to us, for sure.

    #236039
    John
    Participant

    “My ex and I also had a ridiculous amount of weird things in common and neither of us had felt a connection like that before.”

    EXACTLY!

    She even said from day one how she was more comfortable around me than anyone in her entire life.  She felt like she had no insecurities or worries.  She even told me that being with me felt like home.  It was crazy how much we connected on so many levels it was indescribable.

    I really do think that it was a combination of all the other drama in her life that made her shut down, and that made me become so insecure and needy.  It was really a perfect storm and neither of us knew how to deal with it.  Unfortunately the things i did and said are things that someone can possibly never get over or past.

    When i should of just stepped back, i pushed so hard and assumed so much, then lied and betray her trust that it just was too much for her.  Or at least that’s the impression i got through the messaging we did after we broke up.

    #236047
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Valora:

    I understand and respect you  disagreeing with me. I think it is a  wonderful thing that you are having what seems to me a meeting of the minds  with John, reads like John feels  that you understand him very well. I suppose it  is another kind of good feeling (isn’t it, John?), to be understood.

    anita

    #236067
    John
    Participant

    yes, it is a very good feeling.  It makes me feel like i’m not that screwed up after all.

    It hurts tremendously having this feeling.  But it is so nice to hear another voice with the same thing.

    #236123
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    This is what you wrote about your relationship with your ex girlfriend before: “our entire  relationship I was always  ‘waiting’ waiting for that next text  or phone call, waiting to see  her, waiting  for her to tell me she missed me or loved  me… for the majority of the time we were together, there seemed  to always be some drama and baggage in her life… there was always something… She also had told  me that she was sorry that she couldn’t make me happy. I told her that she did. And that I  caused my own unhappiness”

    My input today: that  feeling  of  bliss, that best  feeling in the  world, you were waiting  for it during the relationship. You were  unhappy during  the relationship. Not just during the ending of it, but a whole  lot (“our entire relationship I was always ‘waiting’… for the majority of the time we were together.. some drama… always something”).

    What  I am saying, John, is that The Feeling was indeed Fleeting during the relationship: there at times, gone “the  majority of the time”.

    I do hope you feel better.

    anita

     

    #236167
    John
    Participant

    Anita, reading that, i may have exaggerated.  It wasn’t until the end that i was really waiting like that.  Before the last month or two, she did text and call me all the time.  She would call me every day on her way to work, on lunch, on her way home and before bed.  And we texted all day long everyday.  She was always sending me selfies and things like that.  It wasn’t until her boy was in the picture that things really started to change.

    She always felt guilty and that she was a failure for getting a divorce when she did.  Her oldest boy told her that she ruined his high school years because of it.  I think because of that it caused her to be controlled in a way by him.  He could of asked her to do anything and she would of without hesitation or thought of consequence.  Which is what a parent should do for their child, but when your child is 19 and own his own making his own decisions, he should be responsible for those decisions.  She would always cover his ass.  Whether it was housing costs, or whatever.

    She and him were fighting a lot when things started to get rough for us.  She kept telling me she was done being a doormat for him and that this was it!  But then the next time she saw him, yet again she would bend over backwards and he would treat her like crap.

    I think that was another one of the bigger things that caused problems for us.  It was very hard for me to sit idly by and watch this, watch her get hurt and used like that.  When she would talk to me about it, i would make suggestions(just trying to help), and I think she saw it as me trying to control her or the situation.

    I know there are a million different things that caused our end.  But one thing I do know for sure is that when we first stated dating, he lived at home for the first month and a half.  And that made it kind of difficult for us.  It was always about him.  Then he moved about 3 hours away to go to school.  That’s when our relationship really took off and became amazing.  It was in the end of our relationship, he had some court shit to deal with, which again he left it all on her and she took care of everything, scheduling, money, lawyer, all of that.  Then after that was done is when he told her he was going into the marines and didn’t want me to go with them on their family trip to her brothers wedding.  Again, she bent to his wants, instead of standing up herself.  For me seeing that and feeling like i was never going to be seen as a #1 in her life, caused me to get insecure and even resentful of him.  I always supported her decisions though.  I just didn’t have a good poker face about it, so she could see in my eyes and hear in my voice that i was hurt.

    Sorry, off track here.  My point is that our relationship was wonderful the whole time, it was only when his name came up that drama and stress came about.  I know i handled my end poorly.  I should have just been there for her to lean on and kept my mouth shut and just asked her what she needed from me, instead of trying to fix the situation and trying to force time with her when she needed that time to deal with other shit.

    It was seriously the best year of my life being with her.  Hands down.  I really was happy, almost every day.  My friends would even ask me “who are you?  who is this guy? ”  because of how happy and carefree i was.

    Then when all the drama started with her son, and i got pushed aside.  I didn’t know how to handle it and crumbled when i should of been stronger than ever before.  I will have a hard time ever forgiving myself for that.  There were so many times when she was hurting, and we missed a weekend together because of him.  All i did was be depressed and make things worse by making her feel like she was hurting me too, instead of supporting her and telling her, “take as much time as you need, i’m not going anywhere” and enjoying my life with my friends or hobbies when she was dealing with all of this.  I made so many critical mistakes durning that short period.  I can see them all now clear as day.  it absolutely kills me, because i know if i would of handled myself better and not been so selfish and needy, that when all that was over, things would have gotten back to the way they were.  In fact, if we could of lasted another month, he would of been deployed and that drama would have been done.

    It’s mistakes and things like that that make it very hard for me.  Very hard to ever be able to forgive myself.  I know i need to use that experience for my future, but it’s hard not to think about how much of this is my fault and if i would of handled myself differently and quit over thinking everything how much better the results would have been.

    I  do know my love for her is everlasting and eternal.  I know right now, i don’t think i could turn her away if she were to want to try again, which is unfair and wrong since i am in a relationship with another woman I do love.   It’s very hard to explain this.  I don’t understand it so how could anyone else.

    So yes last night was a little rough, especially since i missed a photo on my phone and with the most recent update it showed me memories.  It was one of her at a car show we went to in the summer.  She looked really freaking good in it two.

    I cannot wait for the day that pictures like that don’t bother me.  That i can see a photo like that and think” that was a fun time, but i’m happy now without her”

    I hope that happens to me someday.

    thanks again for listening.  got to get to work…

    #236173
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    The relationship lasted for a year, “when we first started dating, he (her son) lived at home for the first  month and a half. And that made it kind of difficult.. It was always  about him”. Then he moved away to go to school and “our relationship really took off”, and then in the last couple of months or so, her son told her he  was  going to the Marines and that  he  didn’t  want  you to join them in Las Vegas.  You  were hurt once again  foor not being “#1 in her life”. “All  I did was be depressed”.

    Her son was competition. You wanted  to be  the only  one in her life. I  understand that desire all too well, wanting to be number one. This desire is fueled by not being number one for way  too long, way before you met her.

    You have felt guilty  for a long time about this relationship ending. I wish you no longer felt that guilt. You analyzed  and gained insight about  your part in the trouble, but  really, if you were back with her, you would  still be struggling not being #1, won’t  you?

    anita

    #236177
    Valora
    Participant

    I think Anita is reeeaaally onto something with your ex’s son. You clearly did see him as competition, even though you may not have meant to, but subconsciously, he was taking some of the attention that you desired. I know the struggle, though. It’s hard when you feel such a magnetic pull to be around someone and you can’t be with them as much as you want to. Anything that gets in the way of that becomes a source of frustration/anxiety/sadness. She was right to put her son first, and I think deep-down you probably knew that, but that magnetic pull can cloud judgment and cause selfishness. I made some bad calls in my relationship due to that too. There were times when I was selfish in ways I normally wouldn’t be, and I had a lot of regrets after the breakup once I realized what I’d been doing. So, again, that’s another lesson to learn.  Don’t feel guilty over doing that if you agree that that’s the case, because you can’t change the past either way, it’s just something to pay close attention to if you have a similar experience in the future. Learning from the experience can clear the regret/guilt if you let it, because it served a purpose overall.

    • This reply was modified 6 years ago by Valora.
    #236227
    John
    Participant

    I did see her son as a competition.  i do know that.   I felt threatened by him.  I resented him for taking her away from me.  Especially when he got so upset that I was going to go on the wedding trip and that because of that (or at least that was the reason she said) that i got 86ed from the trip.  I felt that anytime she spoke his name that any plans we had were done.  That hurt every time, when i should of been happy for her to spend time with him, and spent time on my own doing something else with my friends, kids, or a hobby.

    In fact, you know how I told you about me guilt tripping her.  Well there was an occasion, when we had plans to hang out all weekend.  She was supposed to come up on friday night.  Then she found out he was coming down for the weekend.  She told me that she would come up late friday night, then it was saturday morning, then saturday night, then it was just going to be sunday for the day.  Well It never happened.  And it turned out that they did nothing but fight and argue all weekend.  It was a miserable weekend for her because of that and for me because i felt like i was just dangling in the wind.  Then to top it all off, when she apologized for not seeing me, i told her that “it’s okay, i kind of knew once you told me he was coming that we wouldn’t be seeing each other anyways”.  God, what a D&%K!!!  It’s crazy how stupid i was about stuff like that.  That must of made her feel like absolute crap, especially since she already felt bad  and had a horrible weekend.  I just didn’t know how to deal.  Hindsight.  I should of told her as soon as I found out he was coming down, “lets plan on another weekend so you can spend time with him” or ” maybe i can come down one day for lunch or something and we can all hang out together”

    I think that reasons like these is what makes it so hard for me.  Finally seeing everything i did, how selfish and self centered I was on making it all about the all the time, even though i kept thinking i was there for her.

    Hindsight  is a bitch.  That is for sure.  Here I was thinking i was helping her, and i was really just making her constantly feel like she was letting me down.

    I know i can’t change any of that.  I can’t go back in time.  I can’t snap my fingers and get a second chance to show her that I HAVE learned about myself and want to be better.

    It just really freaking sucks that I didn’t learn this about myself before it got to the point of no return.  And then even after, when we started talking again, i still was a poopy guy with guilting in my words.  Instead of just really being a friend, listening to her and being happy for her, I kept pushing until I pushed so hard that she blocked me for good.

    Who knows?  maybe that was my second chance when she originally started talking and flirting with me, maybe not??.  And me instead of being light and fun, got serious and dark, dwelling on the past.  I will never know.

    I really do wish i could just forget and be happy for what i have now.

    It just hurts.  I think it hurts more knowing about the man i became and how i was so selfish and self centered, when i should of been supportive and giving, knowing that I caused all of this, then it does that she is not with me anymore.

    #236243
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear  John:

    I will read and reply to your recent post when I am back to the computer in about fifteen hours.

    anita

    #236269
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear  John:

    I was wrong about you in the past (on this thread) when  I thought you were not capable  of insight. I am somewhat embarrassed for having thought that and stated that to you. There were other things I thought I understood correctly but did not. You did learn from that relationship, you did gain insight. Your last post for one is written so  well, organized, clear.

    You are learning and I am learning, this is a good thing. What I understand at this  point, and correct me where I am wrong, that with this woman, you had the best feeling in the world, a feeling like you never had before with previous ex girlfriends/ wife or after. And you experienced that feeling  often with her and for  long periods of time. It was refreshing, motivating, joyful, Life itself with a capital L, fireworks and all,  suddenly and magically appearing in your life in all its glory, sort of. Correct? Like the grass has never been greener and the  sun never more pleasant and inviting one to play..I can go on and on. “Pure bliss” you called it. I  know this feeling. There is no better feeling, to feel this way  for  someone and be together with that someone, or even imagine being together, looking forward, like you looked  forward that weekend, for Friday night, then Saturday, then Sunday. And now that it is over, you still long for her/ for that  feeling. Why would anyone let go of the memory of this feeling, of still wanting it?

    Everything in comparison is dull, grey, uninviting. And everything  we do doesn’t compare. The song “Nothing compares to you” comes to  mind. There are lots and lots of love songs about this very  feeling, “You’ll never  know another love  like mine” is another line  that comes to  mind, “I am nothing without you” and so on,  so many. What if we all long for that feeling, John? What if we all felt it and  long  for it ever since?

    And this is my point, this very longing, the one  you have been experiencing with this woman and about this woman, we all experience  it, we all long  for it. I think, literally and figuratively, we come  out  of our mothers and we  don’t  want to. We cry because we don’t  like  it out there and  we want  back. Oh-gross, I here a voice in my head commenting on what I just typed. Yes, maybe gross, but true nonetheless. What better memories  are  there, for  those  who remember it, than the memories of early  childhood held and loved by our mothers or fathers? Do we ever want  to leave that  embrace, if we remember it?

    Look at your jealousy regarding her son: “I resented him for taking her away from me”- this is a child jealous at a sibling, a new baby to the family, perhaps. This was  not you,  an adult, seeing her as another adult, this is you the child competing  for mother’s attention.

    I don’t think you thought of her as a mother figure because for one, you don’t have  good  memories with your mother, not really, you don’t think highly of your mother, you resent her, so you didn’t  imagine this woman could be … like a mother  figure.

    This woman was not like your mother, she was like a good, loving, embracing mother. There is a difference.

    If you managed  to reunite with her, the woman  we are talking  about, you would still be  jealous of her son, or of someone else she  may attend to. The competition would  have continued. It would  feel good until this or that happens, and you will be waiting for this or that to be  over so that you will have her  again, all to yourself. An ongoing struggle, because we can’t go back in time and be that young child again. It makes me sad. Because if I was  given the chance now to be safe that way, all fears silenced, all worries gone, time standing  still and all is good, I would take this feeling anytime, forevermore.

    anita

    #236301
    Valora
    Participant

     It was refreshing, motivating, joyful, Life itself with a capital L, fireworks and all,  suddenly and magically appearing in your life in all its glory, sort of. Correct? Like the grass has never been greener and the  sun never more pleasant and inviting one to play..I can go on and on. “Pure bliss” you called it. I  know this feeling. There is no better feeling, to feel this way  for  someone and be together with that someone, or even imagine being together, looking forward, like you looked  forward that weekend, for Friday night, then Saturday, then Sunday. And now that it is over, you still long for her/ for that  feeling. Why would anyone let go of the memory of this feeling, of still wanting it?

    What you’re describing here seems surreal, and I don’t know about John, but it’s not really what I felt. I feel like that’s the honeymoon phase that a lot of people experience when their emotions and hormones are heightened and they’re “flying in the clouds,” so to speak. That’s the one that definitely doesn’t last because it’s more of an excited state rather than a baseline feeling. What goes up, must come down. So, John, if this is what you felt, it might have just been an extended, really strong honeymoon phase.

    What I felt was more of a calm. Nothing else in my life was really heightened and I wasn’t in an excited state. The grass seemed the same as always, the sun shown as usual, but when we were near each other, we were drawn together like magnets, just always wanting to be hugging or just connected in some way, even just holding hands, for 2 straight years. And he felt like “home” to me. I felt extremely comfortable, relaxed, safe, warm, protected, calm. Other boyfriends have made me feel some of those things but never to the extreme extent all together to where it literally just felt like I was home and all was right with the world. And that really is probably how children feel with a nurturing parent BUT, again, correlation is not causation. That is just a good feeling for people in general, young and old, and if we know how that feels, we’re going to want it. Now if that feeling SCARES someone, then that fear (of either the feeling or the loss of it) might have to do with an attachment issue with a parent.

    Anyway, the reason why that kind of thing is so hard to get over, besides missing the feeling, is that it’s hard to want less than that, and for sure it takes a special kind of connection with someone to give you that feeling. It’s not something you can just get with anyone.  BUT that’s where faith comes in.  You just have to believe that you will have that feeling again, either with someone new who is also a soul connection or perhaps your ex will come back when you’ve both done some growing (and with growth, you won’t experience that jealousy of her son. That was a clue that you had work to do on yourself, namely attachment/insecurity issues. I had the same ones).  None of us know what will happen in the future, but if we really want to experience that feeling again, we have to believe it will come after we’ve done some self-improvement and are ready to hold it gently this time.

     

    • This reply was modified 6 years ago by Valora.
    #236513
    John
    Participant

    Anita, yes there are a million songs about this feeling.  I know, i have a lot of them in my playlist i made up when everything went down hill.  “AMAZED” is a good one that describes exactly how I felt.

    I am learning a lot.  So much that it kills me.  I feel like i’m learning that i am all the reasons she left, because of my jealousy, need to be center of attention, need to be noticed, and not being there for her when she needed( is still made it about me).  An example about that is the night she found out her sone was going into the marines.  It was a work night and I was talking to her on the phone.  I kept telling her if she needed me, i would head down there.  She finally said yes.  So i packed up clothes for the night, and took off.  I got to her house about 11:00 PM. (mind you, i had to work at 7AM an hour and 1/2 away, so this part was me being there for her).  Well after I got there i listened to her, but instead of just listening to her vent and cry, I tried to fix it.  I was trying to tell her what to do and how it’s going to be.  All she needed was me to hold her and listen to her, and I didn’t.  To top it off, i started to make it about me.  I told her about the song “all of me” I heard on the radio, and made her listen to it because it described how i felt about her.  GOD!  what a douche i was.  I totally took advantage of the situation and turned it on me.  I can only imagine how many other times that i did this unknowingly??  One of the things she did tell me after we were done, is that it was always about me.  I was blown away!  I thought, that’s bullcrap!  I was always there for you, doing for you and your boys.   I didn’t know what she meant or how she came up with that until now.  Really hurts to learn that about yourself.  Hurts to see everything so clearly and know there is nothing that can be done now.  all things that if i would of known, or she could of told me straight out, face to face, blunt, hurtful if need be.  Maybe I could of changed my ways sooner before it was too late.  It really does hurt learning all that about yourself.

    “This woman was not like your mother, she was like a good, loving, embracing mother. There is a difference.

    If you managed  to reunite with her, the woman  we are talking  about, you would still be  jealous of her son, or of someone else she  may attend to. The competition would  have continued. It would  feel good until this or that happens, and you will be waiting for this or that to be  over so that you will have her  again, all to yourself.”

    Honestly.  I don’t know how i would be.  Part of me likes to think that I have learned enough to catch myself from being that way and just be supportive and patient.  Yet, part of me would be longing to see her whenever I could like i am now.  So who knows.

    “What goes up, must come down. So, John, if this is what you felt, it might have just been an extended, really strong honeymoon phase.”

    yes, i do agree with this.  It was like a longer honeymoon phase.  I really feel like this would’nt of went away though.  We would of had our moments, but the feelings that we had…  Would of overcame those moments.  Unfortunately, i was too much of a coward to bring up those moments.  When she did put me on the back burner or flake out on me after a promise.  I should of expressed how i really felt and told her that that is not okay to keep doing that or whatever, instead of avoiding conflict like I did.  To make an omelette you need to break eggs right?  Well I never did.  There was only once or twice I told her how I really felt, in the beginning.  Whats funny is when i did, things were better after.  Then i got so attached and afraid, that i quit.  I was like a little kid in a lot of ways.  Jealous, afraid, timid, passive aggressive.    WOW!  A thought just now hit me.  I was thinking about my girlfriends daughter, she is 9 and a princess.  Whenever she doesn’t get her way or things work out how she wants, she gets a crappy attitude and is like “fine, i won’t do this anyways!!” or just pouts the whole time.  That is exactly how i started to behave.  In the beginning, I was all good with things.  Like, “Cool, i have other stuff i can do anyways. talk to you soon”.  Over time, it became a thing where I would just pout and be alone, intentionally not doing anything, trying to prove a point or make her feel guilty.  Just like a child would.  OMG!  I’m really feeling like an idiot now.  More so than before.

    She once told me, that she hopes when her boys grow up, they are like me.  That I am the man she wants her sons to become.  That was the nicest thing anyone has ever told me in my life.  At that point in time, i was a good man.  I put her needs ahead of mine.  I really don’t know where, when or why it all went wrong.  I don’t understand what turned me from an understanding, patient, confident man to a child.  Man this really sucks learning all of this.  It’s good for me, but really hurts.

    “when we were near each other, we were drawn together like magnets, just always wanting to be hugging or just connected in some way, even just holding hands, for 2 straight years. And he felt like “home” to me. I felt extremely comfortable, relaxed, safe, warm, protected, calm. Other boyfriends have made me feel some of those things but never to the extreme extent all together to where it literally just felt like I was home and all was right with the world.”

    YES YES YES YES!!!  It was freaking crazy.  Seriously, it was like there was no place in the world i would rather be when i was with her.   Having that kind of feeling is amazing.  I never ever experienced something like that before.

    “Now if that feeling SCARES someone, then that fear (of either the feeling or the loss of it) might have to do with an attachment issue with a parent.”

    I don’t know if it scared her.  Like It was becoming too much of a reality and she knew she couldn’t give me the commitment i was needing.  I do know it scared the crap out of me  thinking about losing it.  Ironically, that’s what caused me to lose it.  The more scared i got, the more I held back and bit my tongue and the more needy and pushy i got(like a child not getting there way).  UGH!!! HINDSIGHT!!!!  I hate  this so much.  It feels like the worst lesson on myself ever.

    It feels like, “Here is love in all its glory”, now “here is what it’s like to lose that because you weren’t ready”  Too bad for you!

    “None of us know what will happen in the future, but if we really want to experience that feeling again, we have to believe it will come after we’ve done some self-improvement and are ready to hold it gently this time.”

    The future isn’t written.  I know that, but at the same time i don’t.  Like i keep telling myself, “if i do this or that” then she will come around again.  I need to just let go and let it be, and if we do cross paths again, then maybe it will happen, or maybe I will bond and grow with my girlfriend i have now and it will be amazing or even more amazing.  I can’t look into the future, maybe that’s why i look at the past so much.

    All this talk about holding on gently and songs and things.  There were two songs i heard right after we broke up that really hit hard.  one is ” Hold on Loosely” by  38 special.  I heard that and it was like a bell went off in my head.  Like DUH!  I couldn’t do that.  I squeezed so tight, she couldn’t breathe!!  The other is “boys of summer” by Don Henly.  Every time i hear that song.  I think of her.

    God i really do love that woman.  I do hope that someday i can just be happy that i had that feeling before, and not have remorse and pain from pushing it a way and killing the love she had for me….

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    Dear  John:

    “I was like a little kid in a lot of ways. Jealous, afraid, timid, passive aggressive… Just like a child”-  is is my point, this falling in love feeling is a reactivation of the longing of a child to a loving mother. Just saying.

    You fell in love, you experienced a wonderful feeling, repeatedly within a year of a relationship. Within that one year you also waited for her a lot, felt frustrated a lot, angry, “jealous, afraid, timid”, the words you used in your recent post. It was not all that one wonderful feeling.

    But that one feeling, it was a hell of a feeling.

    Well, you are learning, you do have insight and, I wish I had a way for you to turn on a switch and feel this feeling again and forever more. If I knew of that switch, I would turn it on for myself as well. As a matter of fact, if I had that switch and marketed it, I would be very rich.

    anita

     

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