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  • #236969
    John
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    well, I wrote a post yesterday morning and submitted it, for some reason it didn’t go through?!?!.

    I can’t remember exactly what I put, but this is how I’m feeling today…

    Yes Anita, I wish there was a switch.  I would turn it off, then break it!  But there is not.  Unfortunately I get the pleasure of learning how to be okay with all of this.

    Well I cried day before yesterday and yesterday.  Actually twice yesterday.  I don’t know if it’s because i’m re-living all the decisions i made a year ago or just because i do miss her that much.  I know after she left me, i went down hill so hard and spiraled out of control in a very bad way.  I think what may have been one of my last opportunities to have another shot or fix anything that was done, i did just the opposite of what i should have.  I kept talking to her best friend, kept bugging my ex, then i got back on dating sites almost instantly.  It was like i didn’t know how to be alone anymore and i needed a fix.  Some attention of some kind.  What’s funny is that it did work for a minute.  When ever i would start messaging other woman, sometimes 3 or 4 at the same time, it would take my mind off of my ex.  But as soon as I stopped and had no attention.  I would think about her and miss her, ect, ect, ect…  Again.  I feel like a child.  It’s stupid crazy.  Like I forgot how to be alone,  how to live on my own without the need for that.

    When my ex-wife left me.  It bothered me, but not like this.  I was fine.  I never withdrew from doing things with my friends, I never got dark and went to a dark place.  And I didn’t crave attention from others.  I was alone with no dating, no looking, nothing for 2 years.  And it didn’t bother me.  The only reason i did start looking was because I started to get lonely.  I started wanting someone to be with me, to hold and kiss me like we’ve been apart for years.  Someone to love me.  I didn’t “need” it.  I just wanted it.

    Now…  look at me.  A freakin mess.  Every day i think about that woman on the way to work, and almost every night before I fall asleep.  This is really bad.  The last time i was intimate with my girlfriend, i thought about my ex.  Almost like flashbacks of when her and I would make love or have sex.

    I feel horrible.  I really think having my girlfriend work opposite shifts is starting to take it’s toll on me.  It’s starting to get me resentful.  I don’t know what to do about that either.  It’s not like she can just quit.  She is looking for other work, every day.  In fact she just had an interview at the post office, but the schedule was even worse.  I am very afraid that if something doesn’t change there before the end of the year that i will get to a point where i can’t do it anymore.  Raising someone elses kids 5 days a week is tough.

    The really shitty part is that if this was my ex.  I would do it without question.  I would of even drove an hour each way each day if needed for as long as needed and loved doing it.  What does that say about my feelings for my girlfriend?  I know I love her, but is it not an unconditional love?  Or a love  like i would have for a really good friend?  I feel like in my own selfish desperation to have that attention i needed, i jumped into a situation compromising other peoples livelihood and well being.  Now there are hers and my kids in the balance and her as well.

    I feel like i’m just digging a hole for myself deeper and deeper.

    I am so grateful for my girlfriend, but i do think i should of never started dating again.  I should of been like Valora, just been alone to fix myself and never contacted my ex again either.  Or at least waited until i was better and in a better place.

    off subject, but talking about songs.  There is one song that came out this year “Never be the same”.  Man it spoke to my heart.  It is exactly how I feel about my ex.  Just like anita said in the beginning.  It was like a drug addiction, still is.  Just the fact that one text or phone call would make me feel better instantly.  Just like getting a fix after going through withdrawals.

    All i do know is this.  I’m going to focus on doing my best, not making any situation about me, learning to not be so insecure and worry about what other people need and think.  And try to make it about the kids.  The are innocent in all of this and didn’t ask for it.  It is very hard though when i feel my heart so heavy every day.

    I’m so tired of feeling like this.  Tired of being depressed.  All i want is to be happy again.  Be that guy I once was that could stay up till 11:00 and get up at 5am refreshed and pumped.  Looking forward to weekends and time at home.  Excited about every day and having that “feeling” in my heart again.  I feel just the opposite now.  I feel like I can’t get enough sleep and i’m still always tired, I don’t take care  of myself like i should, I feel like at work I can’t wait to be done and just do the minimum to get by so i can go home, then when i’m home i do the same just so i can work and I feel like there is no reward for any of it.  Once the weekend gets here, i’m even more depressed because i never do anything anymore.  I just sit at home.  In fact, last year, i ran out of vacation time, because i was doing so much.  This year i have over  a week left i have to use up before december 31.  that means i barely took a week off over the whole year.  and most of that was around 4th of July.  I’ve really begun to hate the person i have become and don’t know how to change it.  I listen to what everyone tells me, but actually having it stick and being able to do it is different.  Like i know exactly what i need and should do, but when it comes to it.  I don’t have the drive and motivation to do it.  Again this is where i really feel pathetic.  The fact that if my ex where to want something with me again.  It’s like I would wake up out of a sleep.  I would perk up, kick ass at work, go home, clean the shit out of my house, be healthy, start working out, have energy, have better self hygiene, do things with my kids again.  the whole works.  It’s freaking nuts.  why can’t i just feel that and be that way on my own?

    #236985
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    “why can’t I just feel that and be that way on my own?”-

    because a child cannot feel safe alone. He needs his mother, or father, an adult to take care of him. Only then can he feel motivated to explore the world.

    You became a child with your ex and  she was like a loving mother in your mind, so you felt safe and motivated, driven.

    That feeling with your ex, that was not sustainable, it couldn’t have changed you into a happy motivated man. If that was the case, no  one would need psychotherapy, a romantic partner would do, all  problems solved! But life doesn’t work this way.

    Basically, you are living in Fantasy, as if you  would have  been happy-forever-more with your ex, if only she wanted you, if  only you acted differently with her, if only her son wasn’t  in the way, and so on. So you keep comparing your depressed feeling to a Fantasy option of being happy with her, a fantasy.

    What can I say, John, I’ve been trying to tell you this for a long time, but  it doesn’t click with you, not really. You keep thinking that happiness  is with her. It is a  fantasy.

    anita

    #236997
    Valora
    Participant

     I know after she left me, i went down hill so hard and spiraled out of control in a very bad way.  I think what may have been one of my last opportunities to have another shot or fix anything that was done, i did just the opposite of what i should have.  I kept talking to her best friend, kept bugging my ex, then i got back on dating sites almost instantly.  It was like i didn’t know how to be alone anymore and i needed a fix.  Some attention of some kind.  What’s funny is that it did work for a minute.  When ever i would start messaging other woman, sometimes 3 or 4 at the same time, it would take my mind off of my ex.  But as soon as I stopped and had no attention.  I would think about her and miss her, ect, ect, ect…  Again.  I feel like a child.  It’s stupid crazy.  Like I forgot how to be alone,  how to live on my own without the need for that.

    I don’t have time to respond to much right at the moment, but I did want to respond to this.  Your reaction to your break up was a very, very common and normal one. It’s actually unusual when people who feel blindsided with a breakup handle it well without spiraling or seeking comfort elsewhere at least for a little bit.  Don’t beat yourself up over this, please. This is something you need to forgive yourself for. And reacting in the opposite way likely would have changed absolutely nothing because she’d already made her decision.  I DID react in the opposite way. I stayed calm, left him alone for the most part (always cordial the few times we did talk), I stayed single even though I had a ton of guys start messaging me because I knew I wasn’t ready, etc. And guess what? That didn’t make him want me back any more than if I had reacted how you did.  How we react doesn’t matter. They were going to feel the same no matter what because the breakups ultimately weren’t about us. The breakups were about THEM and how THEY were feeling and what THEY wanted or didn’t want, and we have absolutely no control over any of that.  So you really, really need to forgive yourself for your reaction. It likely didn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 5 months ago by Valora.
    #237001
    Kkasxo
    Participant

    John,

    I don’t want to interrupt the thoughtful discussion between yourself and Anita I just wanted to let you know I can most definitely relate.

    An addiction to a person is a very real thing. When me and my ex boyfriend split up (taking into consideration our split was also based around a traumatic event) I barely got out of bed for 8 weeks. I didn’t eat (I lost 18pounds during this period), I struggled with sleep, I didn’t etntertain communication with anyone. I completely lost myself in the process.

    I am eating and sleeping now so I guess a lot of people would say I’m better. I’m not. I struggle every single day. I have just managed to function better. Survive almost.

    Me and my ex too had a fantasy relationship. I honestly can’t fault it for anything. We were perfect together. We never argued, the connection between the two of us I truly think is like no other. I don’t believe I will feel that again with another soul. Up until the summer when the trauma occurred, nonetheless it is very hard to let go.. it’s hard to let go of what once was.

    I must admit, he has come back in the attempt to reconcile but I am currently dealing with a lot of post-traumatic healing and it is proving difficult to let him back in as he was the main cause of this. We have met up multiple times in the last few weeks and we do indeed bounce back to one another like nothing ever happened. In those times I can absolutely feel the addiction reappear. The following day I can feel myself becoming needy. I want to tell him about every part of my day. I am suddenly motivated to take myself to the gym. Or be extremely friendly at work etc. But I notice this pattern and I absolutely hate it.

    I wonder now whether it is love at all. Or just attachment and being completely reliant on someone. It makes me feel like I am loosing control of my life. Like I too need a fix so that I can succeed in life. So I can feel happy again.

    I have tried to withdraw from these feelings and learn to not rely or need him so much so that my actual everyday life depends on it but when I do that I feel I am not being true to myself? Almost like I won’t tell him about the events of today because i will fall into a pattern of needing to do this again!

    I wonder if these people are good for us at all in the end.. these human addictions.

    #237003
    John
    Participant

    “This is something you need to forgive yourself for”

    I’m trying to.  It is so hard for me not to feel like this was all my doing.  It has gotten me thinking so much about the person i am, then way i behave(d) and other things.  I do know that i did change who I was with her.  I think that is one of the harder things to accept and to be able to forgive.

    I just don’t understand how every single day, i think of her.  Why I can’t just let go and be okay with it.  I understand the pedestal thing and mother type figure thing, but still.  I would think with the girlfriend I have now, how much she does love me and shows it, that that would be enough.

    I feel like i’m wearing all our your patience thin.  (everyone that has responded).  I am sorry.  I have no where else to turn to.

    #237007
    Valora
    Participant

    The really shitty part is that if this was my ex.  I would do it without question.  I would of even drove an hour each way each day if needed for as long as needed and loved doing it.  What does that say about my feelings for my girlfriend?  I know I love her, but is it not an unconditional love?  Or a love  like i would have for a really good friend?  I feel like in my own selfish desperation to have that attention i needed, i jumped into a situation compromising other peoples livelihood and well being.  Now there are hers and my kids in the balance and her as well.

    I think you might need to be a little more honest with yourself here. You would’ve started out doing it without question, but it would’ve taken its toll on you, just like what you’re doing is now. For example, my ex didn’t have a car for a while, and I happily let him take mine because it would help him out and I didn’t really need to use it much, but as the months went on and he was still driving it and I was still working around not having a car myself because he had mine, it wore on me and I began to be annoyed that I didn’t have my car and he was putting miles on mine, even though it wasn’t his fault (it was getting fixed that whole time). So you just don’t know how you would’ve felt in that situation. You might’ve tolerated a bit longer than you have with your current girlfriend, but eventually, the result feelings likely would’ve been the same. The same with your ex living so far away. You cannot deny that that distance got to you, no matter how much you loved her. That was a big hurdle in your relationship. The connections we had with our ex’s may have felt magical, but they weren’t actually magic. The hurdles will still pop up and we will still have feelings about those hurdles, no matter who we are with.

     

    All i do know is this.  I’m going to focus on doing my best, not making any situation about me, learning to not be so insecure and worry about what other people need and think.  And try to make it about the kids.  The are innocent in all of this and didn’t ask for it.  It is very hard though when i feel my heart so heavy every day.

    This is very good. You do not have to feel as miserable as you do right now. It’s your own mind making you feel that way because it keeps wanting to focus on the wrong things and you are still learning how to redirect it. Once you get better at bringing your mind back to what is good about your present life, it will stop pulling you toward what it feels you’re lacking so much. And as looong as you keep focusing on that lack, you’re going to keep getting more lack.

    #237009
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    Did you notice Kkasxo’s valuable input, it’s her first post in your thread, read it if you missed it somehow, will you?

    I think that the reason why your attachment  is with your ex and not with your current girlfriend is the same reason why a child who lost his mother longs for her and her only. Our attachment to your main care taker, usually it is the mother, and  is specific to  that one person. It so happens your ex became  that one person, in your mind, for a while  now, a year and a  half or so… how long  has she been The One, for you?

    anita

    #237015
    John
    Participant

    I just read Khasxo’s post.  that’s crazy how much That sounds like me.  Seriously.  One day texting with my ex and BAM!  back on it again, feeling alive again.

    I wonder about these people as well.  It was an addiction, still is.  I do wish a lot that I would of never met her.  She turned my life upside down.   I feel like she brought out so much good in me that i didn’t know was there.  I know that it was all me.  I was the one that got motivated and positive about life.  She just influenced it.  But knowing it and feeling it are two different things.

    I feel like i’ve tried everything i can to “move on”.  I’ve tried the “mud balls”, i’ve tried taking her off that pedestal and thinking of all the things she did that hurt me and made me feel second.  I think of how it did feel at the end that she judged me and i felt like I had to change who i was.  I try thinking of what I  have now and how much love is there for me, just waiting for me to embrace it.

    It feels like no matter what I do, I end up back in this depression.  this wondering.  yes, this fantasy i’m in.  I even think, its not over,  she will come around sooner or later.  I just have to wait and be patient.  Even though I know that that’s all BS.  I still get those thoughts.   I hate myself for that.  I hate that it feels like every little thing I do, see, hear, whatever reminds me of her.

    I just wish I could be happy for what we did have and then be happy for what i have now.  I just feel empty though.

    “how long  has she been The One, for you?”

    Honestly, since i first met her.  We physically met Nov. 7, 2016.  within a week, I knew.  I don’t know how she felt, but for me.  I knew.  I felt it so deep in my heart and bones it’s stupid.  Thinking back, i started getting needy even then.  I even told her then, I don’t understand why i’m being like this. I’ve never been like this.  It was like from the time we met, I couldn’t get enough of her.

    That’s part of the reason i have a hard time forgiving myself.  It’s like i knew i was being that way, and I know from experience how that gets old and burdening to someone.  And I couldn’t stop.  I would even tell myself, I was going to chill and be cool, then before I knew what was happening, i was being like that again.  it was like i was on the outside looking in and watching myself do these things, saying things to make her feel guilty, playing the victim and i still couldn’t stop.  I hate it that i was like that.  It drives me insane.  I’ve never been like that before.  Never.

    #237017
    John
    Participant

    sorry, i accidentally quoted everything at the end of my last post

     

    #237019
    Kkasxo
    Participant

    John,

    I can most definitely relate. That + being an absolute hopeless romantic and believing that love conquers all and ‘whatever is yours will always find its way back to you’ and ‘this kind of love only comes once in a lifetime’ are only some of the thing’s that keep me in this phase of being unable to let go! It’s so exhausting!

    It’s ridiculous that I am almost willing to put aside all of the past hurt, trauma, my wants & needs just to be with this man because having him in my life means more than anything else in the world. Rationally I realise that’s not healthy. As you say, it’s an addiction. But nonetheless, the heart wants what it wants! It’s messed up.

    #237021
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    Well, you are quite interactive with members and you do pay attention, learn and gain insight, I am impressed. I will be back to the computer in about sixteen hours. I hope other members post to you before I am back and feel free to post anytime, hope you feel better soon. As attractive and thrilling fantasy is when it is, there is comfort when we fit our thinking to Reality.

    Reality doesn’t accommodates our fantasies… fantasy feels better but it isn’t better in between those temporary thrills of emotion. And when the thrill is over for good, then… look at your devastation. Holding on to Fantasy is simply not worth it.

    anita

     

    #237023
    loleta
    Participant

    John,

    I think you gave her your “power”.  It’s in you and has been in you all along.  I am not sure I can adequately explain, but I will try.  From reading your posts….it seems as soon after you met her, you felt needy and felt intensely.  My thoughts are that you gave her your power through your assessment of her.  She became bigger than life to you.

    Your current girlfriend can’t compete with your ex.  You didn’t do “life” with your ex as you are with your girlfriend right now.  In addition, your ex can’t compete with your current girlfriend.  Your ex bailed while your current girlfriend is sticking close by you.

    It is a fantasy….although in your mind it is very real.  Our mind does play tricks on us.  Those are the times we must trust others to guide us with their light/insight.

    I was in a situation very similar to what you are describing and I felt the very same emotions you are also describing.  I knew that they were not rational and not based in reality.  You will get through this.  I promise.  Try and stop those pink cloud fantasy thoughts with gratitude for the here and now.  Be present.

    Loleta

    #237027
    John
    Participant

    Khasxo,

    I can most definitely relate. That + being an absolute hopeless romantic and believing that love conquers all and ‘whatever is yours will always find its way back to you’ and ‘this kind of love only comes once in a lifetime’ are only some of the thing’s that keep me in this phase of being unable to let go! It’s so exhausting!

    It’s ridiculous that I am almost willing to put aside all of the past hurt, trauma, my wants & needs just to be with this man because having him in my life means more than anything else in the world. Rationally I realise that’s not healthy. As you say, it’s an addiction. But nonetheless, the heart wants what it wants! It’s messed up.

    I couldn’t of said it better.  If i could ask you something?  What was it that ended your relationship?  I know for me if she was to come back, i would jump on it in a heart beat.  No matter what it was.  Even if she had cheated on me.  It would be hard, but i would have to try.

    Reality doesn’t accommodates our fantasies… fantasy feels better but it isn’t better in between those temporary thrills of emotion. And when the thrill is over for good, then… look at your devastation. Holding on to Fantasy is simply not worth it.

    I agree with you 100%.  As my girlfriend told me.  That life i did have with my ex was a fantasy.  It wasn’t real.  She was a weekend girlfriend, so of coarse when we did have time together it was always amazing.  Always fun.  As i’m writing this, i’m thinking of my oldest daughter.  I only got her every other weekend.  In that relationship, we had fun every time i had her. there wasn’t time for bad times.  We had to make the most of the time we did have.  I guess that’s similar to what i had with my ex.  since i only got to see her limited time, when we did get that.  We did fun things.  Planned fun things.  Even if it was staying at home watching shitty movies.  It was fun and exciting and our real world problems didn’t exist because we didn’t let them, until hers became too much and then they became a part of our lives on a regular basis.  Taking away from the “fun” and being able to escape from reality.  It’s just so hard to let that go, and be done.  It was like a drug.  The most addictive and powerful drug ever.  That all being said.  I do know that i loved her, still love her more than anything in this world and universe.  I would still give anything for her, even if i wasn’t going to be with her.  If she needed something i would do it without any question and not care about any consequence of it.  It kills me to know this about myself also.

     

    I was in a situation very similar to what you are describing and I felt the very same emotions you are also describing.  I knew that they were not rational and not based in reality.  You will get through this.  I promise.  Try and stop those pink cloud fantasy thoughts with gratitude for the here and now.  Be present

    I am trying to stop those thoughts.  Being a hopeless romantic doesn’t help me at all.  I try to think about if we did live together or were able to see each other all the time.  Would i have had enough, or would we of gotten to each other too much that it would of killed it also.

    Some things, reasons i do blame myself is that she did tell me that all she needed was for me to just listen, not to try to fix anything or make it better.  She just needed me to listen and i didn’t.  I did some, but then i would turn the situation around and make it about me, or try to tell her what she needed to do.  Which no one can tell you what to do or how to fix yourself.  That is something you have to be able to do on your own.  i’m learning this about myself now.

    #237029
    Kkasxo
    Participant

    John,

    It is extremely difficult for me to speak of or disclose the details around our break up but let’s just say it was down to a ‘difference of opinion’. Difference in opinion which lead to a very traumatic experience for me. The whole time around the trauma was full of anger, resentment, complete lack of communication and others almost fighting our battles on our behalf.

    Prior to this our relationship was literally perfect. Literally.

    Before meeting my ex I was happy on my own. I was completely enjoying single life to the full. I was a confident woman who knew exactly what she wanted and I wasn’t prepared to settle for any less. I loved my life. He popped up unexpectedly, out of nowhere and exceeded my expectations of ‘what I want my next partner to he’ completely.

    I actually had a conversation with my mother for the first time today about ‘the trauma’ which she witnessed me go through throughout the summer. Naturally, seeing your child go through such a thing means there is a sour taste left regarding my ex. But to my surprise she mentioned earlier that it is such a shame as she’s never seen anything like our relationship before, she mentioned it was very clear that we were meant to be. He was my best friend. We bounced off of one another like something I couldn’t even imagine existed. We never argued. The relationship was full of the ultimate trust. None of us ever questioned anything.

    Perhaps another reason why it is so difficult for me to come to the conclusion of letting go..

    I am trying to learn a lot about forgiveness at the moment for my own sake mainly, but perhaps it too will help along the way of a possible tronciliation. Although I do want to continue working on myself and my ‘addiction’. Along the way I have learnt that I have an anxious-preoccupied attachment type, this shed a lot of light into my behavioural patterns, particularly now that I am somewhat broken.

    I have a lot of work to do!

    #237039
    Valora
    Participant

    I wonder now whether it is love at all. Or just attachment and being completely reliant on someone. It makes me feel like I am loosing control of my life. Like I too need a fix so that I can succeed in life. So I can feel happy again.

    I have tried to withdraw from these feelings and learn to not rely or need him so much so that my actual everyday life depends on it but when I do that I feel I am not being true to myself? Almost like I won’t tell him about the events of today because i will fall into a pattern of needing to do this again!

    Kkasxo, have you ever heard the term cognitive dissonance? It can drive a person crazy when your mind believes you need to do one thing and your heart tells you that that doesn’t feel right. Until both things come into agreement, it’s extremely uncomfortable. I think that’s kind of what you’re experiencing where you know it’s not good for you to talk to him because it feeds your attachment to him, but at the same time, you feel like you should be. The way to fix this is to decide which direction really is the best way to go and then keep going that direction and stay firm with it and eventually the other will fall in line.

    I don’t know if you’ve read much of my story in this thread, but I had a relationship similar to yours as well. I’m somehow farther along in my recovery as I knew I had attachment issues and that that was the lesson this breakup was trying to teach me, so I’ve been working seriously hard since January to break my attachment issues, not just to my ex but to everything else I’m attached to (like “things” for example. My house is cluttered because I had a hard time getting rid of anything and I had to learn how to detach from that stuff too).  So I think you’re right. It IS an addiction and an attachment that you’re feeling, but those can both be overcome with work. A lot of work. But I feel it’s worth it.

    And I don’t know if this will help, but I truly believe we have much more than one or even two soulmate connections out there. There is a whole group of people scattered across the planet who are connected to us in that way and capable of giving us the feeling that we felt with our exes. So it’s totally possible for you to find that love again, but it most likely won’t happen until you’re able to let go of your ex. It’s okay to give yourself as long as you need, though. These things take time. I am light years better than I was even 2 months ago, but I still have my days where I miss him and cry (usually when something is going bad somewhere else in my life and I miss the comfort I used to get from him), and that’s okay. It’s just a process.

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