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  • #381940
    Murtaza
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    Dear anita, the following method you suggested about my email isn’t neccessary since i don’t use it much, and have planety more, i don’t value privacy that much, its merdada2020@gmail.com

     

    Regarding to your suggestion of quitting smoking, i can’t right now, since its the only thing that i look up to in my day, its very important to me since its my alone time, its more like talking with someone (the songs i listen to) its the only place where i somehow feel, even though when i do it its not that good, as for the effects in the long term, do you really think i will live this long? If so i will have to pay a lot of things, i remember reading that loneliness is worse then smoking, i can’t deprive myself from things for a fear of future, cancer lung is also could cause death, which is kinda my goal with smoking, i did thought of quitting, but i just didn’t find a good substitute to it, where could i feel/think like myself? Im already paying the price of smoking, i think if i ever did had what you described and didn’t suicide somehow, i will accept it, i will have to

     

    As im typing this, i feel guilty, for not quitting, i also feel angery at myself for developeding such habit, i also feel helpless, like im controlled by my habits and routine, i have this very strong need to follow my routine, no matter how damaging it, im also afraid, very much of the future, how will i live? I have the worse beliefs and desires to live on, a friend of mine 2 weeks ago, my only friend, suicide, he was the only person that had a Similar life to mine, similar desires, similar beliefs, he was from Bangladesh, had so much shame and so much guilt, anytime i think of life, i remember how much i hate it, how shitty it is, and how i avoid the solution that can actually fix it, so smoke? Why not, at least im doing something that i somehow enjoye, even if i don’t the idea that i enjoy it is enough

     

    I think that if we ever did something together such as changing the world, we would be a great team

     

    As for addressing everything you say: i like it :D, if i get tired i might just take a break, but i like answering everything you say, and think about it for a while before i replay

    #381941
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    I like the idea of you and I changing the world as a team! I recorded your gmail address. I wish you didn’t feel guilty following my input about smoking. I will not repeat it.. just that I want you to be as okay as you possibly can be.

    I am sorry that your friend from Bangladesh committed suicide (how did he do it?). “Do you really think I will live this long?”, you asked regarding the smoking topic-

    – I didn’t suggest dying from smoking because I knew you would reply with something like: good, problems solved! That’s why I mentioned the inconvenience/ difficult-life consequence.

    I am about to go on a walk which is crazy because it is too hot for a walk.. yet a habit is a habit (so is smoking). Do continue to take breaks from our communication whenever you are tired or when you otherwise don’t feel like it. Whenever you post is fine.

    anita

    #381943
    Murtaza
    Participant

    I wish you didn’t feel guilty following my input about smoking

    No its ok, i think this gulit is good since it can make me quit something that hurt me

     

    I will not repeat it.

    No, i want you to say anything you like, i just mentioned what i was feeling, i don’t want you to hide the truth from me just because it hurts me or makes me feel guilty, say any truth no matter how much it hurts me, i will get used to it, and its important i accept it as soon as possible,

     

    how did he do it

    Hang

     

    That’s why I mentioned the inconvenience/ difficult-life consequence.

    Maybe those will give me enough motivation to relieve myself, or i might even develop more apathy

     

    it is too hot for a walk.

    In here its too hot to be alive lol

     

    yet a habit is a habit (so is smoking)

    Its funny because i remember developeding a walking as a habit, and i didn’t like it, i even got a program that track footsteps, and i manged to get the 1nd one trophy (after around a year) i remember that if i stopped for a day or two, i just lose interest and have to do the whole thing again, and i had to listen to music to make it barebale, i reminded myself that walking makes you live longer, oh my god, more years to suffer, no thanks, i quit as soon as possible (i had to continue out of boredom) it was so hard to waste time that i had to include walking in my routine, the benefit of smoking for me is more then the negatives, if i got lung cancer, that’s a one way closer to death, if i didn’t die, then at least i will have an excuse to not do anything, an excuse to not live, and i wouldn’t feel so guilty, but then again i might not, did i mention that i have asthma? im slim, and healthy, but its genetic, the funny thing is, i used to struggle from asthma before i even smoke, but nowdays i don’t even have it, i guess it was the whether, but i tell you im gonna have a hard life to live, im my own worse enemy, i just saw that my feelings (of begging if you remember) got back, the learned helplessness,

     

    I saw a woman today, she has a pharmacy, one of the few interaction with her that made me like her, i was looking for my medication, and i went to the all pharmacy near me, they didn’t have it, she was nice enough to bring one to me “i looked hard for this medication but i didn’t find the specific one, but i found the same with another brand, but i thought that you need it, because you are used to it”, i was so glad that not only i found my medication, but that i met such a good person, i saw her today, and i remembered who is the blame for not having such people, i would pay anything just to be with her, i got a very short anger and said “F*CK”, i know that i already said this and i will try not to mention this again, it just gets in my nerve

    #381945
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    I didn’t know you had asthma, past tense (“but nowadays I don’t have it”)?

    Okay, I will tell you things even if they make you feel guilty (but only if there is a meaningful reason or a purpose other than feeling guilty).

    “walking makes you live longer, oh my god, more years to suffer, no thanks, I quit as soon as possible”- saying “no thanks” to people who repeat sayings that they hear without considering the bigger picture.

    “I’m my own worse enemy, I just saw that my feelings (of begging if you remember) got back, the learned helplessness”- I didn’t understand the italicized part (something happened just then?)

    ” would pay anything just to be with her”- pay what?

    “I got a very short anger and said ‘F***’, you mean you said it out loud to yourself.. not to the pharmacist/ in public, right?

    anita

     

    #381954
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    I know that you probably meant that you were willing to pay anything and everything to be with her, including getting a job in the too-hot-to-live Iraq, and that it was a temporary willingness based on your strong need to love and be loved in return, as the song says. I asked in case there is something new in your willingness to pay.. some new something (not that I am wishing that there was, like I told you: I really don’t want to change you, and it feels good to say it!)

    And I am assuming the F** * was you saying it out loud to yourself, angry at yourself.. frustrated.

    I wrote: “it is too hot for a walk”, you wrote: “In here its too hot to be alive lol”- I believe this is where life is heading on this planet: global warming/ climate change.. the planet becoming more and more.. “too hot to live”. I was thinking about this during my walk, following you telling me about your friend’s suicide: how suicide is not about ending a life, it is about rushing to end a life. We humans know that we will die and yet, we don’t really know it. We feel that we will live forever, and looking at eternity of this life is not an attractive prospect for a lot of us.

    But this life, yours, mine will come to an end. You like to say about this and that: show me the proof, I want to see the proof. Well, on the matter of death, you have the proof. It is guaranteed, never an exception. So.. try to understand this on a deeper level. By doing so, I hope that you will.. not rush it.

    anita

     

    #381973
    Murtaza
    Participant

    I didn’t know you had asthma

    I have asthma, just nowdays it a problem like it was, although in the past i didn’t smoke (and now i do without triggering the problem)

     

    saying “no thanks” to people who repeat sayings that they hear without considering the bigger picture.

    I didn’t understand this statement, what i understood that i don’t see the bigger picture to the benefits of walking, to that i answer: i don’t like it, i can do it for a long time, but my liking doesn’t change, i would still not like it, not without a specific goal in mind, and healthiness isn’t a goal to me, since it doesn’t change anything in my day or mood, it doesn’t actually make a different, unless i do something physical like corrective exercise that relive my lower back pain, this is not only good, but neccessary, so does smoking to me, its neccessary not for survival but for not hating life so much, its not about smoking, but more about the routine, the whole thing, going on the roof, alone, near the sky, with my favorite music, and a cup of cappuccino, while smoking, just  so good

     

     I didn’t understand the italicized part (something happened just then?)

    Not really, i just had those feelings back in the day, i saw a woman in the TV and i had them again, its a complicated problem, since those are tied together, helplessness and females

     

    would pay anything just to be with her”- pay what?

    The thing is, i know that if i pay what i supposedly should pay, i won’t have it, i will be disappointed by the result

     

    you mean you said it out loud to yourself.. not to the pharmacist/ in public, right?

    Almost said it out loud, though i tend to say it out loud when im alone

     

    based on your strong need to love and be loved in return

    I wished i didn’t have it, its suffocating, whats the point of needing something that you will never work for?

     

     I asked in case there is something new in your willingness to pay.. some new something (not that I am wishing that there was

    Whats the point? No matter how much i try i won’t shake the hate i got for ordinary life, the stromg need intepented, to be free and to have my own time, i wish it was there, but with a full package, i wish i was normal, i wish i was something, all i do is wish and whine

     

    By doing so, I hope that you will.. not rush it.

    And i should just see myself suffer for 60-40 years for nothing? Death would be the reward after enduring this life? What a great deal, i have to say currently im not suffering much, its the medication, relieved my GAD and depression, but the thing is, for all i know that i will be like this for as long as i live, and the world is getting harder and harder to live in, the competition is getting harder and harder, while i, not even living, i accepted this whole thing, but i accepted something unacceptable, im no good to myself or others, i won’t move and marry and make a family, that’s the only way to get what i want, and i refuse to do it, im rushing because imagine living like this in my 30, how would people will see me? And then i will have those ideas and beliefs in even deeper level, so change would be harder as i grow, i feel like i just watch people live, like i don’t exist, and its my fault, i wanted this, to be nothing, i worked for it, and its hurts, and the thing is, i don’t wanna fix it, my friend was right, i should do it already, but no i develop more apathy just to see how things go, just to see myself, this character i always wanted to be, a monster i created, i highly recommend you listen to the song i mentioned to teak (im the devil, lil b), just listen to the lyrics, i couldn’t explain it any better

    #381979
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    I listened to the rap song, watched a video, read the lyrics- eerie, the voice monotonous, eerily evenly paced, other worldly. Some of the words that stand out, sounding similar to what you expressed before: “I’m burning every day, my soul, there’s nothing left. Everything I say is contrary to belief.. I’d rather take the easy route…. it’s Hell on Earth…Have you ever messed up to the point… Now you f*** up”

    My first thought was to ask you: is it really that bad for you?

    Then I thought back to the times I was most depressed and I asked myself: was it this bad for me?

    Back to you: is it really this bad for you? Is “going on the roof, alone, near the sky, with my favorite music, and a cup of cappuccino, while smoking, just  so good”, and seeing the way your little sister looks at you.. that’s not hell on earth, is it?

    I know you wrote that you couldn’t explain it any better than the song, but I want to know the very specific, individual nature of your pain in a different way, a way you would have explained it to me if you were a five-year-old, or a ten years old.. using your own words, as clear as possible of songs you heard, online sources you read.. your very words?

    (If you want to do so, when it is convenient for you).

    anita

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    #381998
    Murtaza
    Participant

    is it really that bad for you?

    No but it really Express how i feel

     

    that’s not hell on earth, is it?

    Its not heaven either, also i thought you said i should quit smoking? Because i have a payment latter on to pay, a high price for a basic reward, imagine thining this is the best thing in my life, what a sad life, its not even funny anymore

     

    As for describing my pain, i think i already said it above, now since i don’t want you to go back and try to know, i will say it here, its not that i won’t get love, or won’t get what i want, its the idea that i could and wouldn’t, its the idea that its my fault, that’s its my own decision im so miserable, the reason why i like birdman, is that he acknowledge this fact, that “no one will ever love him” that “he don’t exist” that “he wished that he was someone else just to be loved”, though what he did after this realization, is what made me love him, he suicide, it motivates me to care enough to do it

     

    The only difference between me and my friend, is that he cared enough to end his own life, and i just developed apathy, just to see myself became a monster, i remember that when i was a Muslim, i begged god, “please don’t let me be an atheist, take my soul before that happen, please god, i don’t wanna go to hell, i don’t want to be bad”, one thing that he said “its either you die or you just live long enough to humiliate yourself” i guess i chooseed the latter, its everyday, would you let i loved one live like this? That’s why i wanna do it

     

    I have seen this life before, my father, not leaving his room, paranoid, apathetic, not even caring about anything, he was 60 though, im still 20 and im worst then him, by worse i mean at least he worked and had a family, didn’t bother to fit in, you know how he died? i remember his head was on my lap, after he had a heart attack, we had to go to the hospital (there is no number for ambulance) so we went in a taxi, when he was on my lap, he was suffocating, i remember i was very uncomfortable because his head is near me, and i never get that close to him, when we got to the hospital, we rushed in, and he was dead, i had to fake being sad, because i just don’t care about him, im already heading this way, there is no doubt, i have a somekind of a defeating personality, i refuse to live like this, no one accept this life

     

    The thing is, my days are numbered, soon life will be harder, i can lose my father retirement, or if my mother died, and i refuse to accept any less then what im already living, the only fear i got is that i became so apathetic that i don’t care to end it, sometimes i feel like i hate myself too much that i don’t do it, but sooner or later i will do it, the more i live, the more unneccessary suffering, the more i become apathetic and distant from life, tell me the truth, can it be any better then what already is? If so why does it feel like it aren’t worth it?

     

    You always say that there is freewill, but when i look around, see myself becaming  worse then my father with no desire to change, my little sister is even more apathetic compared to me, my big sister has shopping addiction and smoking, my brother has autism, a low functioning autism, and my mother has something i can’t even describe, tell me where is the freewill? Why do i desire self sabotage and sadness? Why do i not wanna change? Im not afraid of death much, but life? It scares me, and at best i don’t even care about life, its not like im missing a lot of things, all the things i enjoy am already doing

     

    I wish i just have what i want, not to be fulfilled, no i don’t even seek that anymore, just to get red of this annoying desire, i won’t satisfy it, never, on my dead body, i just need prove to shut up this mind “can’t stop the bad voices”

     

    I just wish that after death, i have a very short dream where i cry, but this cry somehow heals, feels good, can’t even ask for anything more, everything is too expensive, basic desires requires a massive payment, a high price for little reward, i perfer apathy

     

    This thing, its in me, i have seen it in my father, this pessimism, its like a disease that eat you alive, you cannot get red of it, a very few people that has it, (the auther of American splendor/ phillip Seymour / Charles bukowski) and i won’t call it depression, since that implies its an illness with a cure, what is the cure ? Death.

    #381999
    Murtaza
    Participant

    Just wanted to say thank you for your kindness and patience, i also appreciate that you didn’t ignore the song i mentioned, i know rap is hard to listen to, but you did, i also want to apologize for that long post and grammar mistakes, when i was writing just the thoughts flow away, and i didn’t edit any, i just wrote what i thought, thats why it feels like there is no point, because i didn’t plan anything

    #382000
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    “my days are numbered, soon life will be harder, I can lose my father retirement, or if my mother died, and I refuse to accept any less then what I’m already living… tell me the truth, can it be any better then what already is?”-

    “Can it be any better than what already is?”- you are asking me if your life style can be any better than it is now, knowing that (1) your father’s retirement will not be increasing, I assume, and/ or that you may lose it, and (2) knowing that you are not willing to work for money, and (3) knowing as I do, that the world is dying due to climate change (and the associated increase in political radicalization, violence and  corruption)-

    The only answer I can think of is that your lifestyle can improve for a while (before we all die of heat) if someone who is financially capable sends you money so that you can have a better lifestyle than you are having now. Or if that someone sends you a plane ticket so that you can fly to a cooler country, live in that person’s big house with a pool and air conditioning and a big screen TV and on and on.

    * I am guessing that the financially capable person (or persons) will need to send your younger sister a ticket too, because I don’t think that you want to live without her, and maybe to your other siblings, and to your mother too, in case any one of you refuse to leave the others behind in Iraq.

    I don’t have any other answer that you will be open to consider: ever since you first posted last summer, your intention was never to consider my thoughts and suggestions (or anyone else’s). Never has it been your intention to be open to change your thinking (or to change other people’s thinking). Your intention with me was to get a bit of attention and affection. You manage to receive it, but my attention, affection and love really make no difference in your life, not practically, and not in any way that will make you less interested in dying.

    And  so, my only answer is: since you are not interested in my/ anyone’s thoughts and suggestions, and since attention, affection and love make no practical difference to you, then the only thing another person can give you that can make a practical difference for you is money.

    I think that you asked a follow up question, I will answer it later, after you reply to this post.

    anita

     

     

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    #382002
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    Double posting: “Just wanted to say thank you for your kindness and patience, I also appreciate that you didn’t ignore the song I mentioned… I also want to apologize”- you are very welcome, Murtaza. No reason to apologize. By the way, today where I live (close to Canada) is the hottest day ever in this area ever since I moved here, and Monday will be even hotter.. this is unbelievable.. well, hard to believe, incredible. I don’t have air conditioning because there was never a need for it, but now it is … HOT!

    anita

    #382003
    Murtaza
    Participant

    if someone who is financially capable sends you money

    Even if someone somehow agrees to do that, i won’t accept it, i won’t respect myself

     

    I am guessing that the financially capable person (or persons) will need to send your younger sister a ticket too

    Can we get back to reality, lol

     

    Your intention with me was to get a bit of attention and affection.

    At first yes, but not anymore, if you ask me to stop, i would do it right in this post, that our conversation is one sided

     

    but my attention, affection and love really make no difference in your life,

    Though it does lessen the suffering, did knowing me make a difference in your life? Did knowing anyone in your life made that effect? Maybe its just me, but i do appreciate our conversation, i like it, but don’t expect a miracle to happen, the facts didn’t change when i knew you, and i don’t think they will ever change

     

    then the only thing another person can give you that can make a practical difference for you is money.

    What do i do with it? Live? Marry?

     

    your intention was never to consider my thoughts and suggestions

    I wish it didn’t was this way, i wish i had the mind that i do actually consider your suggestion and thoughts, i value them, though i won’t lie to say that i did consider any, the only thing that i benefited it that when im lonely i talk to you in my head, create imaginary conversations, and that i have proof of someone loves

     

    but now it is … HOT!

    Hell on earth, lol

     

    I actually don’t think a lot about climate change, its the least of my problems, since if that happened it would be a worldwide problem, we will have it first ofcourse, the middle east, the funny thing is that USA done 60% of the damage, and we take the consequences, then they come to Iraq to steal oil, Fake the 9/11, the funny thing is that 9/11 is so taboo because people died, they don’t consider the thousands of people that died in iraq because of thier greediness are people, and oh dear thier silly army with thier mental health problems, we must sympathize, im very sure that i have more mental health issues then anyone that went to iraq, and you don’t see me get anything, do i? Big unfunny joke

    #382005
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    I just came back from the taproom- very hot. I think that this weekend is the hottest weekend ever in the history of this area, a result of global warming. I am sitting in front of the computer at almost 7 pm and sweating terribly. It is very uncomfortable but I can still focus on writing to you.

    “if you ask me to stop, I would do it right in this post”- no, I will never try to stop communicating with you (unless you became aggressive, just like I told you before). When I used he word love in regard to you- there is a promise in that word, the promise is that love stays, it is not here one day and gone the next.

    “did knowing me make a difference in your life?”- yes.  “Did knowing anyone in your life made that effect?”- in the context of these forums- no. “I.. don’t expect a miracle to happen, the facts didn’t change when I knew you, and I don’t think they will ever change”-I suppose part of me still wished that I could make a change in your life- silly, really. Definitely silly.

    I wrote to you: “your intention was never to consider my thoughts and suggestions”, and you answered: “I wish it didn’t was this way..  I won’t lie to say that I did consider any, the only thing that I benefited.. when I’m lonely I talk to you in my head, create imaginary conversations, and that I have proof of someone loves (me)”- that’s better than considering my thoughts then.

    “I actually don’t think a lot about climate change..  if that happened it would be a worldwide problem, we will have it first of course, the middle east, the funny thing is that USA done 60% of the damage, and we take the consequences, then they come to Iraq to steal oil, fake the 9/11.. they don’t consider the thousands of people that died in Iraq.. their silly army with their mental health problems, we must sympathize, I’m very sure that I have more mental health issues then anyone that went to Iraq”-

    – “if it happened”- climate change has been happening for a long, long time and it is escalating fast. I agree with much of what you wrote, not with the “their silly army” part- soldiers, many join the military because they don’t have a better choice to  make money, or because they want to please their parents who also went to the army.. or because they feel patriotic, believing that they are doing the right thing.. and so many get severely injured and dying because of the choices made by greedy, selfish, short sighted, corrupt politicians. Don’t disregard the human value of each and every person.

    It is after 5 am your time, I wish it was 5 am here, then it would be cool!

    anita

     

    #382006
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Murtaza:

    You wrote yesterday: “This thing, it’s in me, I have seen it in my father, this pessimism, it’s like a disease that eats you alive, you cannot get rid of it… I won’t call it depression, since that implies its an illness with a cure, what is the cure? Death.”

    In the summer of 2020, you shared that when you were a teenager, your uncle beat you and your father didn’t stop him. He screamed at you, you hid in the bathroom, “It was really clear to me that I am alone in this world and no one gonna help me“.

    What I put in bold face seems to me like the birthplace of your pessimism. Your dream (which you believe is impossible to achieve) is to have a woman irl “who is hugging me while, understanding my pain, feels sympathy for me, holds me.. that somehow I will be loved”.

    You often expressed the pessimism that can be found in the category of philosophical pessimism, (Wikipedia)  “that time is a burden.. that human existence is absurd… Absurdity is seen as an ontological mismatch between our desire for meaning and fulfillment and our inability to find or sustain those things in the world… a divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting”, “Philosophical pessimism is not a state of mind or a psychological disposition, but rather it is a worldview.. the fundamental cognitive orientation of an individual”.

    It seems to me that your pessimism is all of these things: a state of mind, a psychological disposition, a depression, a disease, and a worldview.

    You believe that (1) your pessimism is a disease that is eating you alive, (2) there is no cure for it, no hope whatsoever to live without this disease, (3) the only way to stop the disease is in death, (4) you have good times in your daily life (when leisurely preparing breakfast in the morning, when smoking on the roof and listening to music, at times when interacting with your sister, at times when interacting with people  online, etc.), but these good times do not make your life worth living, and you believe that sooner than later, these good times will not be available for you anymore, (5)  this (1-4) is your worldview, which you are absolutely 100% sure that you will never, ever reconsider or change. Is my understanding in this paragraph 100% accurate?

    anita

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    #382011
    Murtaza
    Participant

    I could make a change in your life- silly, really. Definitely silly.

    I wouldn’t call it silly, just not true, dreamy if i may say, since silly seems hurtful

     

    that’s better than considering my thoughts then.

    No its not really, there is a big different when you get influenced by a person, and when you talk to him in your head, its not you really, its not that you didn’t try hard enough, its me, i already choose what i have to do and think, its too late now

     

    climate change has been happening for a long, long time and it is escalating fast.

    I meant when it becames an actual problem that effects people, right now people seems to not care, maybe they need more motivation, more hotness

     

    not with the “their silly army” part-

    I said this with context, what i was saying is that, compared to us they matters more, i shouldn’t say this actually, i was angry, because its not fair, to value humans based on where they from and what they have done

     

    Don’t disregard the human value of each and every person.

    Yes i apologize, honestly all lives doesn’t matter, but it just gets in my nerves when life treat us unfairly, when people suffering in iraq and other countries, from all kind of mental health problems, and they don’t get any help or sympathy

     

    your pessimism is a disease that is eating you alive, (2) there is no cure for it, no hope whatsoever to live without this disease, (3) the only way to stop the disease is in death

     

    The reason why i mentioned people like me, its to give you proof, that these people does exist, and they have a full life, of this thing, my father is enough proof since it implies its genetic,

     

    is your worldview, which you are absolutely 100% sure that you will never, ever reconsider or change

    I also believe that part of this disease is the desire to not change, just like the people i mentioned, that lives a full life, without even considering change, turn the other cheek to anything that they don’t like, its a full package of misery

     

    Is my understanding in this paragraph 100% accurate?

    Yes anita, as always

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