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Another element of the concept of nonself might be helpful here.
An assembly of parts, an aggregate of stuff, all put together to create what we call ourselves. Take it all apart and what we thought was ourselves, it no longer exists. I call myself Tommy. But that is just the name of the nonself created thru this feedback loop that is my body. When death comes, Tommy will no longer be. What was here before Tommy will be here after Tommy. That is Buddha nature. Many of these experiences I have had are simply steps along the way. Some become traps because I wish to linger there. Wish to recapture the bliss and feelings of being part of the whole. And so the experiences fade with time, without practice. I know it is selfish to want to feel happy and joy but still I want it. I suffer the ills and pains from such activities. That is life.
TommyParticipantAnita,
Okay, now I am thinking you do know more than me. You’re just being nice. These things I said here are just the basics. And, it has always been my belief that the basics are what everything else is built upon. Anyway, I wish you the best on your journey.
Tommy
TommyParticipantAnita,
It is not to say that thinking is bad. We need to be able to function in this society. Meditation is not to stop thoughts. But to let go of thoughts. I was told it is like letting the mud in water settle then one can see to the depths. The more one tries to push the mud down then the more the mud stirs up again. Meditation is also not just relaxation. The mind needs to focus to one point concentration. Awareness is not allowed to slacken. No one can just stop their thoughts. So, there is no failing. We are what we are .. thoughts, ego, self. Just trying to be more aware, more mindful. One is not silencing the mind rather it is allowing the mind to fall away and staying very aware.
Humility? I thought I was just being honest? I do not try to do or be less than I am. And, I do not think you should either. I have read your posts here and you do good work. I know a little and there are many others who know more. But, I like simple and I try to put things simple. Like, thinking=ego.
TommyParticipantAnita,
I am no teacher and what little I know is more dangerous than helpful at times. And, there is no way to simply put this cause I really do not comprehend it all. First, you know the person or mind is a creation of the body. The body is a sum of parts and the parts has a mind or a person or self or ego. It is what we call ourselves or what we believe ourselves to be. So when the body dies so does this ego. Buddha described it as the make up of the personality or the five skandhas.
One is form or the body. It contains the five senses. An example would be to see or hear something. Two is the feelings or sensations one has from experiencing the five senses. Often sex is associated with love. Sensation has feelings related to it. Seeing one’s home has a feeling of safety, of relaxation. Three is perception or the way one sees the world. It allows one to relate to the world. We know what a person is because we have perceived a person before. Four is the mental formations or what opinion we develop about the person we perceive. A parallel would be the senses and feelings (emotions). Five is the consciousness. A general awareness of the world about themselves.
Supposedly the five skandhas are like a fluid and flowing all the time so everything changes over time. Don’t ask me. I have very little understanding about this. My mind shuts down when it comes to complicated thoughts about self. I just think of ego as what I believe myself to be. What feels fear in the face of danger. What feels happiness and joy when good things happen.
Sorry, I can not really give you a good answer.
Tommy
TommyParticipantAnita,
The stillness allows the mind to drop off. Staying aware, we can experience the source of the life force or the truth of ones nature. When one thinks, the person is caught up in this mind, in this ego. And so we have this constant monologue. Sitting still, I become well aware of my mind, my ego talking, thinking, … sometimes inspiration comes and many good thoughts flow in. I get caught up in them. Lost in thoughts. More practice and the peacefulness grows. Practice allows the moments between thoughts become longer. The depth of the stillness …
Maybe you have heard of Koans. A famous one is “What is the sound of one hand clap?” The purpose of the Koan is not to get an answer to the question. But, to allow the mind to focus and thus allow concentration to become one pointed. It becomes like a ball of wax exploding from a blast of heat. For some this results in the opening of the mind’s eye. Insight into Nirvana. Kensho. But, it is not an easy thing to do.
How can stillness and concentration result in this thing called enlightenment? I do not know. There are many methods, meditations. And some produce great results and others don’t. It may be because of the person or personality? I just do not know. You probably know more than I do about the Dharma and enlightenment. Well, wishing you a good practice.
Tommy
TommyParticipantYeah, my practice has been on and off over for almost 45 years. I am 62. When life is good, my practice slackens. And, there is a huge break. When I get to the point life wants me to return to practice, I take it up and the return is much harder each time. Like the mind learns to fight back. Still, I keep trying. “Mindful restores” is a nice term. I think of it as when sitting at the bus stop or on the bus or waiting in the emergency room, there is the moment to use to refocus the mind. No time wasted. Thanks for replying. It is a nice community here.
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TommyParticipantAnita,
Comparing an awakened person to a tree, I wonder what it means that “the root is kept hidden from plain view”, do you know?
I have not seen that part of myself. But, I do understand what it refers to. The root is where the life of the tree ultimately resides. And, it is the source of the manifestation of its force (life, mind). It is hidden from view means that our true self is hidden from plain view. Thru stillness, we can come to know this.
In my practice, I have had moments where the mind has let go of thoughts and there is quiet. One might think that it would be quite boring to having nothing. No game to play or words to think over. But, the quiet between thoughts takes on a focus of its own. I can sit for thirty minutes and not realize it until I try to get up. The legs take a punishment. But, I think I do not sit right. Maybe a pillow to boost the backside would help. Sorry off topic.
I have found that in Zen, the Dharma always points to the truth of oneself. However, many get stuck watching the finger point the way rather than look at where the finger is point at. Me being one of them.
TommyParticipantI really am sorry to hear you are in constant pain. It sucks to be a victim of one’s own body. I understand how debilitating it feels to have one’s attention constantly drawn to pain. Hope you feel better soon.
TommyParticipantDear Anita,
The pain was intense. It hurt at the kidney and along the renal path to the bladder. Once I felt it in the bladder, there was always the urge to go the bathroom. I think it has finally passed. Thanks for your concern.
There is a Zen story of a woman who suddenly one day thought she had lost her head. She looked everywhere for it. All her friends told her head was where it always was. She did not believe. Finally, a person who had seen this condition before, took a stick and hit her on the head. She then realized where her head had been all the time she thought it was lost.
Too many, they do not see the parallel between this woman and a disciple of Buddha. Before one encounters Zen, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers. When one encounters Zen, mountains are not mountains and rivers are not rivers. When one awakes, nothing externally changes. Mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers. I think Dogen said that.
TommyParticipantIt seems to me that Anita is one wise lady who is filled with compassion. People like her were often called old souls because of the way they just understood everything about the world around them. Don’t meet too many such people. If Brian’s belief and assumptions prevent him from being her friend then he will have suffered a great loss.
TommyParticipantFour Noble Truths of the Buddha.
Life is Suffering
The reasons for suffering
The possibility of escape from suffering
The eightfold path to escape suffering
TommyParticipantWhen one learns that they were fooled and used for their money, it is not the thought of having well intentions that comes to mind. There is no warm fuzzy feelings from having everything you have taken from you by con artists. Now, I do not say you are nor do I say you are not. I do not know. But, everyone goes by their past experiences. I wish you happiness.
TommyParticipantHello Elements, that looks interesting. Have you spent any time yourself doing those things. Meditation? Mindfulness?
TommyParticipant@Helcat, you have some wonderful advice. And, I am sure that anyone in such pain would be grateful for some hope. Personally, I have been scammed so many times by people that I have a hard outer shell. Like when I suggested her husband learn acupuncture, all the excuses came out why he could not. It may be true or not. I do not know. But, since I have gone thru this with scammers, I tend to lose interest fast when people ask for money instead of help. So, it really is good to see you help.
March 14, 2022 at 10:03 pm in reply to: Preparing Optimistically & Positively for a Changing World #395195TommyParticipantMy wife has predicted dire situation ahead and has planted many vegetable seeds to hedge against the coming summer time grocery prices. I personally hope for better but with war in Russia and other world news, I thinks she has a point. So, it is do not argue with the wife and help around the house as much as possible.
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