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Brandy
ParticipantHi Guthries,
I think there are a couple lessons in this. The first one is patience. It would be great if you woke up tomorrow and these people suddenly decided to embrace you and accept you into the community, but that’s not going to happen. I find that when person A spreads rumors about person B, those who heard the rumors will stay away from B so as to keep A from turning on them as well. Even when they think B is being mistreated, they won’t reach out to B because they don’t want to be involved, don’t want any anger to be directed at them by A. But over time people change their perspectives.
So be patient. Build a life for yourself without these people. Do things you love doing….gardening, seeing movies, walking your dog? Smile and always be friendly. Practice mindfulness and meditation. Enjoy your new home. Give it time and see what happens.
The second lesson is this: Everyone has conflicts with others so when it happens either try to resolve it or move on, but don’t talk about it with others. These people have turned a community against you by talking about their conflicts. Had they stayed quiet, kept the details between you and them, your reputation wouldn’t be ruined. Unfortunately, I find that most people haven’t yet learned this important lesson, or they’re too weak to practice it.
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ParticipantHi Chris,
My first thought after reading your post is that there’s something off with this guy Tim.
Did your son say if Tim addresses others in a similar fashion? In other words, does Tim greet girls who are his peers the same way? It’s nice that your son invited you, his mom, to a gathering of his friends, which makes me wonder if this group considers you as one of them and that Tim’s greeting to you was the same way he greeted other girls, as absurd as that sounds.
I’m trying to find an explanation for Tim’s behavior because if it were me I would need one too. I understand why you feel disrespected, ashamed, and the need to defend who you are. As much as I’d try to be that person who can let a comment like that roll off her back, I’m not sure I’d be able to.
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ParticipantDear Michelle,
Of course you feel the way you do. Anger is one of the stages of grief associated with 1) an affair and 2) a suicide.
How can I get out of this hateful place I am in ? By accepting that it’s one of the stages and that it will pass.
An affair changes a marriage. It’s normal to be very angry. Tension and fighting after an affair are normal.
You’ve done nothing wrong.
((((Michelle))))
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ParticipantI noticed that Julie’s post didn’t reflect under Topics so I’m posting here to get it there now because it’s such a good post! Don’t want Pikeman to miss it! -B
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ParticipantPikeman – I was hoping Inky would chime in on this thread with her colorful wisdom! Now if you need any advice on selecting the right designer shirt, just let us know. 🙂 -B
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ParticipantYears ago I learned in a course I was taking that marketers discovered a trick for getting consumers to really want a particular product: Make that product temporarily unavailable. Unavailability makes us want it more.
This is why people play “hard to get”. But once you get her, do you really want her?
I would say that if you find her very attractive up until the physical part starts, you don’t really want her. My two cents.
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ParticipantLast thing….
If a friend came to you and said,
“I was seeing a really great girl. We had a fantastic connection. She was very easy to be around, treated me well and I really liked her…still do. But I ended things with her because of issues in her past, and I regret it. She was very open and honest with me about those issues, and in hindsight I believe that in overcoming her problems she has demonstrated strength and depth of character. She was addicted to drugs, diagnosed with bipolar disorder, a victim of physical abuse, has a poor relationship with some family members and, to be honest, I don’t find her body all that desirable/attractive. But still, I feel I broke it off because I focus too much on others’ flaws and it’s sabotaging my love life.”
…what would you tell your friend?
Brandy
ParticipantA decent date is with someone you mesh with. A potential wife is someone who hits it out of the ballpark.
Brandy
ParticipantOkay, I understand, all the more reason why she may want to find someone else, a man who finds her desirable just the way she is because, face it, as she ages those physical characteristics will likely not vanish into midair one day.
And yes, you’re right, perhaps the letter isn’t a good idea after all and wouldn’t be respecting her decision.
So a good therapist can help you overcome hang ups you may have, and maybe you do have some, but even if you were totally hang-up free, this woman may not be the right one for you. It’s asking a lot of a therapist to help you to desire a physical characteristic that you find undesirable in a woman whose got some serious issues that would concern anyone, not just you, and whom you’ve known for mere months. In other words, if you were married for years and suddenly had problems in the bedroom with your wife and mother of your kids, maybe a therapist can help with that, but at this stage in a relationship most couples can’t keep their hands off each other, and compound that with your other valid concerns, I just don’t know.
What I’m getting at is I don’t see you as being shallow for having high standards when searching for a wife and the future mother of your kids. Have high standards!
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ParticipantHi again,
I’m not trying to make you feel bad but I’ll be honest in saying that I can see why she took jabs at your reason for wanting to end things. It was a less messy way out for you and it put the blame on her, made her feel like she messed up, that she was overcommunicating via text with you and it turned you off. So, the natural response from her would be to fix it, stop communicating as much, after all, it really is a minor transgression, isn’t it? But you were having none of that. Your mind was made up. So the logical conclusion would be the one she made, the more accurate one about why the break up was happening.
So yes, she was hurt, but also pissed off. What you are seeing now is the pissed off part.
If your mind is set on getting her back then you need to be honest with her. Write her a letter and explain the real reason why you ended things. Look, she already knows! Tell her that your inexperience and ignorance about her issues scared you, that they still scare you but that you want to learn more, and that you miss her. Seriously, what’s wrong with that? Those issues would scare me too because they’re scary.
But now you say “the physical part of our relationship wasn’t completely there for me but its something i can work on”. Wait, what?? I don’t think so. It’s either there or it’s not, in my opinion.
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ParticipantHi Jim,
I’ve been thinking about your situation.
She understands why you ended it. Your “I have a hard time keeping up with the constant communication all day long and enjoy some independent time, as sometimes that type of treatment can feel overwhelming to me” translated to her as “a relationship with a former bi-polar addict who’s a victim of domestic abuse and has poor relationships with family members isn’t exactly what I’m looking for.” So the risk she took by telling you her history failed. She’s hurt, feels judged, and this isn’t the first time this has happened to her. So she wants to move on, wants to find someone who is more accepting of her.
At age 33, you’re ready to settle down and start a family. You’re done wasting time with women you don’t see as wife material — that’s why you ended things with her. But you’re lonely. You miss the connection you had with her, how she made you feel, so you’ve decided you’ve made a big mistake and want her to forgive you for hurting and judging her, give you a second chance. You want to resume the relationship.
Do you now see her as potential wife material?
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ParticipantHi Pikeman,
I agree with the solid advice here and will only add that it’s interesting that this is occurring after seven years of marriage. Sounds like the “7 year itch” to me. They say it’s common for marriages to lose some happiness after seven years, that romantic feelings are reduced/tensions increased, both of which can lead to infidelity. We get overwhelmed with juggling our relationships with childrearing/work, the mortgage/rent payments, feeling stressed out and unappreciated, it’s easy to lose sight of the big picture and why we wanted to marry in the first place. Regular date nights help but since she’s not interested do all you can to remind yourself (and her) of all you are aside from husband/dad/employee/provider/etc. Get your swagger back, take care of yourself, dress nicely, exercise when you can, show off your sex appeal. This just may remind her that other women find you attractive and could snap her out of this 7-year-thing real quick. 🙂
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ParticipantHi Jim,
When you say she had domestic abuse issues in her last relationship due to cheating, who was the abuser and who was the cheater?
Everyone has skeletons. Some have addiction issues, some mental health issues, some infidelity issues, some abuse issues, some family of origin issues, etc. I consider myself a nonjudgmental person who believes in second chances but the person you are describing has all of the issues I listed. A deal-breaker for me would be if 1) the person had ever been emotionally or physically abusive to another person or 2) the person cheated.
But that’s just me.
So you have to examine what it is you’re talking yourself into here. Don’t overlook big red flags because you’re frustrated that your life isn’t where your think it should be at age 33. If you do, you run the risk of finding yourself in a situation of meeting the woman of your dreams say 5 years from now when you are married to someone you settled for, with one kid in diapers and another on the way.
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ParticipantHi Jim,
She was fully wanting to move ahead with the relationship when we were still together, so basically the fact that i changed the terms and left cannot be forgotten?
It’s possible that you aren’t the first person who distanced himself from her once she spoke her truth. You don’t explain the reason you gave her for breaking up but I’m guessing she accurately interpreted what was happening. For most on the receiving end of that, it may be more complicated than simply forgiving and forgetting. But as anita said, no wonder you did what you did. Your actions make perfect sense in light of what occurred in your earlier relationship.
I like the last paragraph of anita’s first reply to you. Try to be patient. Don’t allow your impatience to sell you on an idea that your gut told you wasn’t right. I know it isn’t easy when everyone else seems to be settling down and starting their families, but you have plenty of time.
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ParticipantThanks, anita.
Hi Anonymous,
Understand his side of things, then write him a letter acknowledging and apologizing for each way you’ve hurt him. Explain to him that you were wrong and that you’ve learned and changed.
Then learn and change. Stop contacting him. Be strong.
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