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PeterParticipant
I’m not a Buddhist, a practitioner of religious origination, so may answeres won’t be any help to you.
We are all Buda’s – potential for Buda consciousness, Christ Consciousness, Philosophers Stone, The Still Point – All same.
Why do you believe there is suffering within our world? – The price of Consciousness/being awake
How does this impact the way you live your life? Life happens; you can say No to it or say Yes it, how you answered will influence your experience and story you create for yourself.
What do you believe happens after you die? Return to the collective unconscious
What do you believe your purpose in life? That for most people such questions will only lead to despair so ought not be asked – Unskillful question – notice that when you ‘feel’ purposeful, like joy, you never ask the question, you just are.
Please explain how being a Buddhist and following their traditions answers the ultimate question of the meaning of life? Life has no purpose/meaning, each of us IS meaning/purpose and we bring it to Life! There is no point in asking the question when YOU are the answer. Go experience Life.
PeterParticipantWithout imperfections, we would remain unconscious of ourselves.
PeterParticipantRecommend the book: Art of Forgiving: When You Need to Forgive and Don’t Know How – Lewis B. Smedes
PeterParticipantEach of us is unique and love is experienced and expressed on many different levels. Most of us, when we talk about love are often talking about something else like relationship, living together, sex… all components of love but never the complete picture in and of themselves.
If your a thinking type that likes to analyze feelings and have a concept of love that is romanticized perhaps seeking that feeling of being overwhelmed by the need for someone – and calling that love. Your probably going to be disappointed. I think a place to start is defining for yourself what love is and then not overthink it.
PeterParticipant“What was really needed was a fundamental change in our attitude toward life. We had to learn ourselves and, furthermore, we had to teach the despairing men, that it did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life—daily and hourly. Our question must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual” – Viktor Frankl
Frankl concludes that the meaning (Purpose) of life is found in every moment of living; life never ceases to have meaning, even in suffering and death
The search for purpose can only lead to despair. It is like hoping to win the lotto when you never by a ticket and still being disappointed. Like searching for the glasses your already wearing. You can’t search for something when you are IT.
The world would be a happier place if we just forgot about this idea of purpose.
PeterParticipantSorry to hear about your situation but glad to hear that your taking the steps you need to take to be safe and take care of yourself.
If its unacceptable for you to live with a person with a drinking problem, then that is your truth and there is not much more you can do until and unless your husband comes to terms with his demons.
I think you have done what you needed to do and that all you can do in the time being is respect the space that was created.
Very much recommend the book ‘How to Be an Adult in Relationships: The Five Keys to Mindful Loving – by David Richo if your ready for that kind of thing
PeterParticipantI have seen to many people get hurt when they don’t respect when someone they care about has asked them not to contact them again. (After having all the usual post break up conversations, drama and such. There are usually at least three such encounters – three strikes and your out.)
If you keep calling and telling her you are getting help and going to change, bla, bla, bla… It might work for a time but the odds are against the relationship working out.
If you feel that you need to change then you must do that for yourself and not place that burden onto her. Perhaps once the work is done you might call her, however you must be prepared to learn that she has moved on.
If in time she should wants to contact you, you must be careful that your ready as its likely you will fall back to old habits. You can’t step in the same river twice.
PeterParticipantI also struggle with loneliness though no longer the anxiety about being lonely. I have gotten used to, and even enjoy, be out on my own, and for the most part am ok with it… and then the night comes and I wonder about meaning and purpose, wondering why I should wake in the morning.
I suspect loneliness very much tied to the experience of meaning and purpose and perhaps that is where some of the anxiety comes from.
Sorry that I don’t have any answers
PeterParticipantA love can still be true even if Life requires a relationship to end.
The only way to stop thinking of someone is to stop thinking of them. To stop dwelling on all the could of, should of and if only we can imagine. Thus, the practice of Buddhism to let go of the past. And you will… or you wont
The trick is not to beat yourself up when you do find yourself thinking of her. Just notice the thoughts and let them pass through.
“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality.” -Seneca
“The most painful state of being is remembering a future, particularly the one you’ll never have.” – Kierkegaard
PeterParticipantMy opinion for what its worth is that you must respect her decision and stay away. It hurts, but that is the life is and the best you can do is learn from the experience and deal with the issues that got in your way.
PeterParticipantI was just listing to Clarissa Pinkola Estes telling the story of Skeleton woman. Theater of the imagination
I won’t go into details but the story reminds us that phycological ‘death’ is a necessary part of relationship. When we enter relationship, the task is to learn and grow and that takes a lot of ‘dying’
If I was asked what is the most important quality two people need to have in relationship I would say the ability to learn, and ability not to panic in those times when you don’t like the person you love.
August 22, 2017 at 10:07 am in reply to: Meaning in life ? Existentially frustrated, Need help with avoidance !! #165126PeterParticipantDoes anyone here wonder if this the sense of not having purpose or meaning is really a experience of loneliness?
Are they the same things?
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PeterParticipantYou might find the following book helpful
How to Be an Adult in Relationships by David Richo
“Most people think of love as a feeling,” says David Richo, “but love is not so much a feeling as a way of being present.”
PeterParticipant“In racing, they say that your car goes where your eyes go. The driver who cannot tear his eyes away from the wall as he spins out of control will meet that wall; the driver who looks down the track as he feels his tires break free will regain control of his vehicle.”― Garth Stein, The Art of Racing in the Rain
When we re-visit past relationships, we tend to be selective about which memories our “eyes” go to.
“Inside each of us resides the truth. But sometimes the truth is hidden in a hall of mirrors. Sometimes we believe we are viewing the real thing, when in fact we are viewing a facsimile, a distortion.” ― Garth Stein
There is always unfinished work when a relationship ends, perhaps even a reason that the relationship ended. When we struggle with a current relationship it is not uncommon to return to the past, if unconsciously, to work out what is happening in the present.
The task is to make the unconscious conscious. What was it in the past relationship that was positive for you and what was experienced as a negative? Are you projecting anything that happened into the past into the present relationship? What lessons have you learned about yourself and which ones are you avoiding? Are you driving towards where you want to go or are you looking at what your afraid you might hit?
“We had a good run, and now it’s over; what’s wrong with that?”― Garth Stein
August 21, 2017 at 11:07 am in reply to: Meaning in life ? Existentially frustrated, Need help with avoidance !! #164982PeterParticipantSome of my best trips have been driving without a fixed destination open to new discovery. And in the discovery knowing what to explore and perhaps focus intention.
I can very much related to your existential conundrum. At the end of my search for meaning and purpose I have concluded is a fool’s game. Seeking things like meaning, purpose and happiness is like trying to grasp water or air in a grasping hand. The reason is that such experience exists in there being not as something created. We do no create happiness but notice it. It is only after noticing happiness that we reverse engender it. When I did x, y, and z it creates such and such which I experienced as happiness. We think that if I keep doing x, y and z trying to recreate such and such I should always be happy. And we fail, as such doing can only end in failure and depressed. Purpose and meaning are the same. As long as we are seeking we are not finding. (To find we stop in the still point of the moment)
When most people talk about purpose they usually image something grand and because its grand easily recognizable… hopefully applauded by others that will marvel at their purpose. Most purpose and meaning that we will experience belong only to us that no one else might noitice.
In your driving metaphor of driving without a fixed destination you seem to assume that you must identify and ‘know’ your purpose or meaning (Not the same things) before getting into the car and driving anywhere – as only drives with a specific direction can have purpose and meaning? You may be seeking to define your purpose and meaning before you actually live it, which might be backwards.
That may be the wrong quest/question as the experience (state of being) of meaning and purpose occur in the process of being and then only if ones eyes are open. Even driving without direction can become experiences of meaning and purpose!
Your angst may not be so much about meaning and purpose but in choosing a path and that is not the same as purpose or meaning. The problem seems to be that not just any path will due but that you must “know” what the ‘right path’is before travailing it, a path that is certain, with certain expectations of purpose and meaning. Certainty is nice but it tends to turn on you especially for those seeking meaning or purpose. Certainty can close a person off to discovering what is right in front of them.
My advice for what is worth is to refrain the questions your asking yourself and enjoy the drive. With such openness the drive itself maybe an experience of purpose and meaning and point you to your path. (which will be the one you were always on)
In my philosophical search for purpose, I end with Camus that all philosophical search ends in the absurd and the choice to laugh or cry. “The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.” ― Albert Camus
My end to the quest for meaning ends with Joseph Campbell
“Life has no meaning. Each of us has meaning and we bring it to life. It is a waste to be asking the question when you are the answer.”― Joseph Campbell
You are the answer! Even driving without a destination is meaning, is purpose, when eyes are open. Open to wonder, open to bliss….
“If you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.”― Joseph Campbell
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