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Dear Dee,
I’ve been following your exchange with anita, and she’s given you some really good insight into why you might be tolerating your boyfriend’s cheating on you. You said you value honesty above all, and that you’re open to explore all kinds of relationship arrangements – as long as your partner is honest about what he wants:
I had made it really clear what my boundaries are, and made it more clear that I had no interest in being cheated on/ being with someone who is going to break my trust instead of just telling me how you really feel, while I’m the easiest going person who will never get mad despite anything you might do or say to me.
I would be awesome with just being friends. I would be great with being FWB (I’m sure that’s not what he is after with me). I would be cool with an open relationship too. I’m not okay with the dishonesty, and don’t know if I really should be non confrontational any further.
However, your boyfriend doesn’t seem to value honesty, on the contrary, he seems to get his pleasure and excitement from cheating. The reason I am saying this is when you once had a swinger deal, he couldn’t get erection, even though the woman was a type who’d your boyfriend would typically be very attracted to. This tells me it’s not exciting for him to be with other women if you know about it, but only if it’s in secret.
You say he loves you very much:
We are happily with each other, I love him very much and I know he honestly and truly love me very much as well.
It could be that two forces are working in him: one is the need for love and attachment, which he gets from you, and the other is the need to rebel and be “naughty” – which he gets from cheating on you with other women. The reason could be in his childhood relationship with his dominant mother – he loves her a lot, and at the same time wants to rebel against her dominance. This is just one possible explanation.
The point is that what you’re looking in him – honesty – is exactly what he might not be able to give you. At least not unless he would attend some serious therapy.
You say that his cheating behavior may be due to his fear for the future, since he might end up in jail for his alleged sexual misconduct. So he wants to make the best use of his time and have fun while he still can. But even if that’s the case, it means that his idea of “fun” is cheating on you. It’s not going to trips with you, or movies, or do other things that people usually have on their bucket list. So even if your explanation for his cheating is true, it’s bad news for you. No matter how you look at it, he’s a cheater and it might be stronger than him.
I know you really like this guy, even love him. You even said that if it doesn’t work out with him, you won’t be dating any more. But it seems to me it can’t work out with him, unless you want the status quo to continue: knowing about his unfaithfulness but not confronting him.
TeeParticipantDear natie,
first, try to relax a little if you can – do some deep, slow breathing, with super long exhales – that should help you relax.
So your main question is whether you made a mistake breaking up with him. You reasons for breaking up were: 1) you didn’t like that he’s bringing up your affair again, guilt tripping you, when you apologized already multiple times and asked for forgiveness, and he too said he’s forgiven you. You don’t want that he’d use your past transgression as a weapon against you and a means of emotional blackmail.
2) You didn’t want to be a burden for him, preventing him from doing what he wants – which might be moving back home. You say he is still unsure, and you don’t want him to stay abroad just because of you. You don’t want him to make a decision at his own detriment, i.e. to sacrifice for you.
Am I understanding this right?
If so, it doesn’t necessarily mean you made a wrong decision, but you made a decision from a place of hurt. I think the first thing you’d need to do is forgive yourself for the affair. Truly forgive yourself. Then decide if you want to be with this man in the long run. Is he the one for you? When he told you he’s forgiven you and knows that at your core you’re a good person – do you think he really did forgive you, or he suppressed his anger? If he’s forgiven you, and you forgive yourself too – that’s the precondition for continuing the relationship.
You asked me what I would do in your place… so first, I’d forgive myself, and then I’d talk to him. Find out why he wants to move back home, what motivates him, what his concerns are etc. Maybe he has a mother who is now living alone, and he’s worried about her… it can be any number of reasons. Anyway, I’d try to hear him out. And then if I were you, I’d share my reasons for staying, my concerns, my hopes and dreams, both around your career and around your relationship. So I’d try to talk, completely honestly. And hopefully, he too would talk openly. And then you may come up with a compromise solution, where you’d both feel seen and respected by the other. At least, that would be the ideal scenario.
But the main question, I believe, is whether he has truly forgiven you, and whether you can forgive yourself.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear natie,
I am sorry you’re going through such a hard time. Although you did cheat on your boyfriend, it seems to me that you’re treating yourself very harshly, believing that you are bad, “ugly as a human”, that your actions are ugly and that you deserve all of this:
I broke up with my boyfriend of 3 years yesterday not because he is bad but because i am.
When i cheated i immediately confronted my boyfriend, my mom , my sister and my best friend , i wanted those closest to me to know how ugly i can be as a human.
i updated him on everything i even told him i dont think u understand how ugly my actions were and I repeated what i had done to him with complete honesty multiple times
Im scared , i lost my job as well and i feel like I deserve all of this
This tells me you have a very negative core belief about yourself: “I am bad”. You say “I literally dont see any self worth”. Are you aware when this belief started? Was it only after this affair, or even earlier?
In the situation with your boyfriend, you apologized for cheating and promised never to do it again. He was very supportive and in fact forgave you much more easily than you could forgive yourself. You couldn’t understand how he could be so forgiving. You wanted him to be angry at you and feel all those emotions and let them out, but he didn’t. He said: “I forgive you, i know your core and this doesn’t define you, lets put this behind us.”
I believe he was honest, he wasn’t suppressing his anger, and wasn’t feigning forgiveness.
But now, it seems he wants more commitment from you. He is considering moving back home, now that his father passed away. And you don’t want to, you have career plans abroad. I believe he probably sees it as a lack of commitment on your part, a lack of a deep desire to be with him, and even to sacrifice some things for him. It seems to me that he’s saying something like: “I love you enough to forgive you for what you did. Why can’t you love me enough to move back home with me if I ask you?” He feels his love is strong enough, but yours isn’t.
You said you’re a workaholic and that professional success is very important to you, so I can imagine you’d have a hard time sacrificing your job in order to be with him. It seems to me he’s asking you to do that, or at least to show willingness to do it, i.e. to put him first before your job. At least this is how I am understanding what is happening between the two of you.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
So in ur opinion i should try these methods to reduce anxiety?
yes, definitely try doing some exercise, or even just walking/hiking, or dancing even. It’s important to move your body because it can still your mind.
Therefore i dont have to answer my brain on how to solve each of these problems?
You don’t, in fact you even can’t, because for an anxious mind which is obsessing, no answer will be good enough. I like the analogy anita uses sometimes: it’s like scratching an itch: the more you scratch, the worse it gets. You cannot stop the itch by scratching it. You can only stop it by not engaging, or at most by putting a balm on it that soothes it. Exercise is like a balm for the brain…
I understand it’s a new thing for you, since you used to spend most of your time in your room, watching TV. But try to develop a habit of getting outside, in the fresh air. You don’t need to wait for covid restrictions to lift. Try to do some exercise even before that, in your room if needed, or go for a jog, which would be even better. It will do you good, guaranteed!
- This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Diane,
you’re welcome. I am glad you felt a little bit lighter while packing up. I also understand it’s a big change for you, and you feel scared of what lies ahead. Do you have a new place picked? Please post whenever you feel the need, I’d love to read more about your journey.
June 16, 2021 at 2:43 am in reply to: Why do I feel guilty even though I’m the one who was dumped? #381532TeeParticipantDear Grace,
you said you were quite different in terms of temperament and character:
I suffer from anxiety and am quite reserved, he’s a bit of a livewire and adrenaline junkie, always getting up to certain stuff.
This doesn’t have to be a problem, but it can. For example, in my relationship I am more of a reserved, anxious person, whereas my husband is extrovert and open. But he’s not a social butterfly and doesn’t like large crowds, but prefers to spend his time at home (unless we go to trips etc). So we’re different in some aspects, but compatible in others, and it works.
If you’re more of a stay-at-home type, while he enjoys spending his free time with friends, partying etc, that could be a problem. Or if he likes adrenaline (perhaps he likes extreme sports where you’re afraid for his safety?), that too would be a big problem, because you being the anxious type would probably try to keep him home and safe with you, while he’d feel trapped and would miss excitement and adventure. I don’t know if this is the case with the two of you, but it’s a scenario in which two people aren’t really compatible, and their differences are too big for the relationship to work.
When he asked you “Do you really love me or did you like the convenience of having someone to live with so you wouldn’t be alone?“, what do you think he was referring to? How do you think he might have felt “unloved” by you? You say you felt unloved when he spent lots of nights online gaming, probably not paying attention to you as much as you would have wanted to. How do you think he felt unloved?
Was I really horrible? Should I reach out to him and apologise for anything I may have done to push him away? Was I a toxic person, did he have a lucky escape getting away from me?
I don’t think you’re horrible, or a toxic person at all. Part of the problem might be your incompatibility, and a part could be certain character weaknesses, on both sides. You said you felt lonely and sad when he was online gaming. Perhaps that means you feel unloved/unlovable unless he showers you with love all the time?
His character weaknesses might be that he wasn’t sensitive enough and didn’t have empathy for you, e.g. he told you to stop nagging him when you’d complain about too much house work, or he attempted to do small talk when you were in pain, after the breakup.
I think it’s definitely not just your fault, so try not to beat yourself up. Try rather seeing is an opportunity to get to know yourself better, get clear about your preferences and what kind of personality you prefer in a guy, and simply, try see it as a learning experience.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I am sorry you’re having these repetitive thoughts again… you might find it easier to stop the mind chatter if you get into your body and connect to the here-and-now. There’s a famous method to reduce anxiety and ground yourself in the present moment. According to this method, you should name 5 things you can see around you, 4 things you can touch, 3 things you can hear, 2 things you can smell and 1 thing you can taste. This will activate your senses and bring you back into your body, which is your safe place. It’s an antidote for the anxious, racing mind.
You can also do some physical exercise as a part of your morning routine (you say anxiety usually hits you in the morning). This will not only distract your mind from obsessing, but also fill you with endorphins, dopamine and serotonin, which are the brain chemicals that contribute to feeling good and reduce stress and anxiety.
Try not to hate yourself when you start obsessing. You can simply notice “oh the voice is here again”. And then proceed to do some exercise, a few pushups, or go for a jog, or any physical activity. Can be work in the garden, cutting the grass etc, although it might be boring for you (gardening usually is quite boring for young people 🙂 ). Anyway, I think exercise can help you a lot to neutralize that voice and feel better about yourself.
TeeParticipantDear Diane,
I know people who invested a lot of time and effort in renovating old sailboats, or old cars… I know someone who had a very strong attachment to his old car, and couldn’t make himself to sell it for a long time (even though it was already a liability and hardly ever used) – because of an emotional attachment. They expected much more joy and satisfaction from the car, but it was a disappointment because it wasn’t working properly and would require constant repairs.
You say you invested a lot of time and blood, sweat and tears into renovating this old home. Did you get to enjoy it too? Did you enjoy the result of your hard work or there was always something to fix and worry about, which kind of clouded the joy? What’s the overall experience of those 18 years?
TeeParticipantDear triss,
Part of it is fear, part of it is sadness, for all the bad he was also my best friend and we did have some really great times and that makes me very sad to lose that. We had plans for a future that we also won’t see happen
I am sorry he’s changed so much, or your relationship changed… When you say you had some really good times and he was your best friend, how was he different back then? How was your relationship different? Was he more understanding and less critical of you?
How about you? You said “I also feel responsible for failures in the relationship – not all, but I have my own culpability in how I responded to things.” How do you think you contributed to the current conflict? (although his behavior, specially physical abuse, isn’t justified by anything you may have done wrong).
You don’t need to answer these questions if you feel uncomfortable talking about it here. But you can think about it for yourself, because it may help you in considering what to do next, i.e. whether you want to try to save your marriage or not.
I understand now that your feeling of being scattered is related to your current living conditions – temporarily staying at your brother’s place, which is 1.5 hours away from the place you work. And also, to the fact that your work is changing to something you don’t necessarily like (writing instead of designing). It seems these changes make you question your identity and add to your sense of insecurity, possibly along the lines of “what do I really want with regard to my job?”…
It seems to me that you’re at a crossroad in your life, triss. Perhaps this situation forces you to look deep into yourself and what you really want, both in terms of relationship and career. I agree with Kimita that it would be important to have support in this sensitive period. It’s great you have your brother’s support, at least in terms of having a place to stay. Try to surround yourself with supportive, non-judgmental people, as much as possible. A counselor would be great too, if you can afford it.
Also please keep sharing here on the forum, if you see some benefit from it…
TeeParticipantDear triss,
you’re welcome. You said:
I can’t imagine my marriage ending but I can’t imagine it going on like it is. … It’s really hard to hit reset.
May I ask what’s your greatest fear if you were to end your marriage? I am asking because it is often because of fear that we stay in unbearable situations and feel stuck, unable to make a move in either direction.
You say you feel lost, don’t know what you’re doing, and that your life is scattered around. Is it related to other areas of life, not just your marriage? If so, your confusion and indecision may have to do with conflicting desires, or with the fear of failure if you do follow your dreams?
TeeParticipantDear triss,
You’ve been with your partner for 8 years, married for 3 years, and it appears you’re starting to wake up now to what kind of person he really is. The last straw was when he hit you. It happened once and it prompted you to leave immediately (good decision, btw!).
You say you’re heartbroken, and it seems to me it’s because the illusion you had about him is crumbling now:
I thought he would get it – see that I left and take this seriously – profess his love and apologize and really. want to change – instead it’s been demands, anger, threats of suicide and more. There has not been an I love you or an I miss you – mainly attacks then “what was that brand you buy from the grocery.
You thought he’d realize how much he loves you, apologize and beg you to come back. But instead, you’re getting more of his anger, unreasonable demands and suicide threats.
You say you’re realizing that some of the things in your marriage and relationship were a lie, and that he has been lying to you:
I learn more every day – of the lies I have lived with about our marriage, wedding, relationship. There was no cheating – just lying about events, name calling and so on.
It seems to me that you’re waking up and realizing what kind of person he really is. It’s like you’ve lived in an illusion so far, and now your eyes are being opened. And I think a part of the reason you tolerated and perhaps haven’t even noticed his emotional abuse for so long, is that you believed you deserved to be treated like that.
You said you’re selfish, but didn’t explain in what sense you believe you’re selfish. If you believe there’s something wrong with you, you’ll be more likely to tolerate other people disrespecting you and abusing you.
I don’t know what I’m doing – I just know right now I am absolutely heart broken – and I just want to find my way back to myself – and purge this awful feeling out.
I understand this is very hard for you now. Yes, it would be important to find the way back to yourself. And I think it would help if you would explore how you are judging and condemning yourself, and thus making yourself a target for other people’s disrespect and abuse.
June 13, 2021 at 9:50 am in reply to: Stuck in limbo, fear or loneliness, fear of hurting her #381402TeeParticipantDear Dave,
you’re very welcome. It’s a real pleasure to read about your progress and your positive, optimistic attitude. You’re doing a great job in understanding yourself, and developing a nurturing, compassionate relationship with yourself. This helped you communicate your true feelings and desires to your girlfriend, which led to separating amicably and with respect for each other. That’s amazing. I am glad you’ve spoken to a counselor too, who helped you further.
It’s also good to hear that you’re doing hobbies, exercising, spending time with friends… all those are great resources which energize you and help you stay on track.
If at any point you’d start feeling down or experience doubts, please feel free to post about it. I’ll be happy to read and help if possible. Wishing you all the best moving forward!
- This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
I am sorry you had a bad experience with a therapist. What she told you doesn’t seem professional. Like when you complained about apathy, she told you you must forget about it and start caring. Not a good approach, I think. Instead, she should have explored the causes of apathy with you, rather than telling you to think positive.
that’s why i don’t like the idea of therapy, i don’t want anyone to advice me, no one is allowed to do that
I hear you. A good therapist doesn’t give advice, or only rarely, but rather helps the client come to their own conclusions. Helps them remove the obstacles to their happiness.
already watched hundred of videos on YouTube about mental health, all have the same themes “workout, meditate, drink water etc” the same bullshit
The channel I suggested goes a bit deeper than that, but it’s true that it’s quite practical, it gives suggestions what to do to reduce anxiety, better regulate our emotions, better deal with depression etc. But if you want something really deep, which talks about childhood trauma and how it leads to our adult problems, specially addiction, watch Gabor Mate’s videos. He’s just released a 1,5 hour film, called “The Wisdom of Trauma”, and it’s free to watch until tomorrow. You can access it at wisdomoftrauma . com (without spaces).
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I tried to contain that voice by telling my mind that i dont want to go back to square one, and i keep reminding myself that i’ve succeeded in not posting for many days and counting and i tell to myself that it’s already and achievement… and i can be a little proud of myself. It did work in containing that voice, although sometimes i get distracted… but i hope as time passes i’ll be able to contain that voice better.
That’s great, Felix, that you’ve managed to contain that voice, and also that you feel much calmer nowadays, not seeking attention on instagram. And also, that you realize you have a few good friends, who like you for who you are, and that you don’t need to do anything to impress them. Those are all valuable insights and I am really happy for you.
It’s okay if you want to take care of your physical appearance. You may want to do some sports, or lift some weights to develop some musculature, or perhaps jog. Being healthy and fit is important, and a good goal to strive for. As long as it doesn’t put you in a competitive mode – like comparing yourself with other guys, putting yourself down for not being strong and muscular enough, or at the other extreme, bragging about your physique. So as long as it’s just something to keep you happy and healthy, and give you a healthy sense of accomplishment, by all means go for it. I am rooting for you!
TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
I see you’re not too keen to work with a therapist, and not necessarily just because you don’t have money
oh really ? please tell me why on earth i would refuse a unconditional love, acceptance and compassionate
Because you said twice that you don’t want anything that requires “therapy or people”. You earlier said that you lost people – as in, you don’t really have close contacts with anybody except your sister. If I understood well, you only communicate with people online. All that lead me to believe that your rejection of working with a therapist might not be just about money. But I might be wrong about that.
you even know the amount of luck to find such female, if she even exist in iraq?
When I said that healing happens in the context of a relationship, I didn’t mean romantic relationship but a therapeutic one. Any good therapist is trained to give you the so-called unconditional positive regard, to have compassion and understanding for you, to be non-judgmental, to see you and validate you. We cannot expect our romantic partner to be our therapist. We first need to work on ourselves so we can be capable of a healthy, fulfilling intimate relationship.
You can work on yourself by yourself, without a therapist. I gave an example of a youtube channel where you can start. There are many such channels, with lots of free material, if you’re interested. There are also online courses at affordable prices, which provide more in-depth information than the free stuff. So you’ve got options, you don’t have to “suffer in peace”.
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