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TeeParticipantDear Alessa,
I think a fear of rejection was the thing that was holding me back the most from being able to connect with my empathy during conflict. What if I put myself out there, do all of the right things and it still doesn’t work out?
Then one day I realised that I was only upset because I felt rejected. And if I’m already rejected there is nothing to fear because it has already happened. I can stay true to myself and if things don’t work out, I can say that I tried and give myself comfort knowing that I did my best.
This is such a profound revelation: that you don’t need to fear rejection, because it has already happened (in your adopted family, or even with your biological mother, I assume?). And so you chose not to react from that fear, but rather, to open your heart and be vulnerable, i.e. speak openly about how you’re feeling during the conflict (if I understood you well?).
And so you remain open and compassionate with the person, even if what they’re doing is hurting you, right? You don’t close your heart and react defensively, but you remain loving but can also express what’s bothering you, like you did in this past conflict.
That’s a great strategy, Alessa, and I think it’s the basis for non-violent communication. And I must say I’ve been learning from you and applying the same strategy. And I see that I actually feel better when my heart remains open, when I’m not defending myself, but simply expressing how I feel.
But it’s hard to do that in the heat of conflict, when something really hurtful comes our way. But you’re right, in that case, when we feel our emotions run high, we need to pause and ask ourselves if this feeling is familiar to us and when is the first time we’ve felt it. And it usually leads to a childhood experience, i.e. something we’ve felt with our parents or caretakers.
So I really like your advice on how to regulate our strong emotions during conflict:
I have learned to view any kind of negativity in my mind with suspicion that this kind of narrative might be active.
Who does it sound like? Who does it remind me of is a question I ask myself to step back from identifying with negative thoughts and see them for what they are.
When is the earliest time I remember feeling this way? Is another good question to ask myself when I’m emotional to unpick traumatic memories from the present.
I can see how that can help us calm down and realize that ok, this is hurtful, but it is especially hurtful because my mother used to tell me this (for example). And so we can dial down the emotion and react from a calmer place, where we’re less upset about the person’s allegations.
I think I’m lucky in that my core stress response is to shut down and my instinct is to leave the situation. I have to force myself to stay in a stressful situation. Because my instinct is to take breaks, it does help me to emotionally regulate.
Yes, in a way that’s a positive thing you rather taking a break from the situation in order to calm down, rather than staying and getting ramped up even further. That’s a helpful stress response in most cases, because it allows you to take breaks and self-regulate. It’s self-care.
The only downside that I potentially see is that you’re perhaps tempted to leave and withdraw from the situation (not just for a short while, but for a longer period), even if it would be better to stay and sort of “stand your ground”. But I know this is very hard for you, because the automatic reaction is to leave. It’s a self-protective reaction, and I think it’s okay to honor that and not push yourself over the limits.
I think you really did great in this past conflict and have shown an example of non-violent communication. And I’ve learned a lot from you ❤️
September 23, 2025 at 10:53 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #450126
TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
I’m sorry your internet connection got disrupted for a long time. I’m happy to hear from you again! ❤️
I understand what you’re saying, and I know many men at this stage may not be interested in marriage again. But I prefer to stay hopeful and focus on those who truly value commitment and marriage — because such men do exist, and I would be even more unhappy to just accept someone with different goals and values.
I also feel that if I focus on men who are only looking for free-spirited or easy relationships, I would feel empty. It would feel like skipping an important stage in life — being a wife — especially since they have already experienced that with someone else.
I hear you, Dafne, and it’s perfectly okay to want someone who wants to get married. I completely understand your desire to get married and to experience a deep, committed relationship with someone you love and trust.
Just to add Tee, the previous man I mentioned was dating and, as far as I know, didn’t have any financial obligations toward his ex wife’s son, but he did want to keep in touch with him, so there were more emotional obligations.
Yes, and you said back then that him talking about his stepson made you feel somewhat upset and emotionally burdened. I suggested that this reaction might have been caused by your own unmet emotional needs, where you felt a little jealous of his stepson, as if he was talking too much about him.
He was also talking about his previous marriage and how he realized he was working too much and neglected his health. And so he was quite keen on keeping fit and was talking about that. All that seemed to have disturbed you, and you told him you don’t want to talk about the past but focus on the future, if I remember well.
It seemed to me that you reacted overly sensitive, and that there weren’t really red flags in what he was sharing. And I suspected that it might have to do with your own past wounds, i.e. unmet emotional needs.
You also mentioned that it hurt you that he was so caring about his stepson, which was in contrast with how your own father treated you. So there was also a certain sadness and hurt that got triggered in you, and you had a hard time coping with it.
In short, it seems that his legitimate emotional obligations and feelings towards his stepson caused quite a bit of a stirring in you. And my assessment was that it wasn’t a completely balanced reaction, and that you would need to work on yourself, so you wouldn’t be so sensitive in the future.
I believe that you would still need to work on those things, i.e. on your own healing, because otherwise chances are that you reject a potentially good candidate, even someone who is marriage minded and trustworthy.
So this would be my gentle invitation to you, Dafne: to start working on those childhood issues, so you can be more emotionally resilient, and more capable to recognize and keep a good, honest man.
Otherwise, Anita and Copilot gave you really good tips on where to look for men with similar values, as well as what books you could read.
I would also recommend therapy, if you can afford it, because it would be crucial not only for finding a good, honest partner, but also for you and your happiness – independent of any man.
I believe the best scenario would be to find a measure of emotional healing first, which would then give you a better chance of meeting a good, honest and trustworthy man. Because your “dating radar” would work properly and you could better recognize good guys. And you wouldn’t be so suspicious of those who are actually trustworthy.
I know it’s not necessarily something you want to hear, because you’re really focused on meeting a man. But this is my honest opinion, and what I believe would be the best for you.
I hope you do find what you’re looking for, Dafne. I wish you all the happiness in the world. And I hope you can start working on it, one step at a time, little by little, being more resilient, more self-confident and more self-loving every single day ❤️
TeeParticipantHi Peter,
thank you for your thoughts.
I see “staying with what’s hard” not as passivity, but as a kind of active presence, a doing by not doing, motion in stillness…
Alessa’s image of the mother cat beside the feral kitten captures it well. From the outside, it may look like nothing but inwardly it’s a profound act of presence experienced by both. Anyone who’s sat with someone in pain, especially a child, and not jumping to words, knows how much effort and courage that takes… That doing “nothing” can be a form of deep engagement.
This is very true, Peter. When a parent can simply sit with a child who is having a tantrum, and/or hold the child, without wanting to make them stop, yelling at them or judging them, but instead, loving on them and being present… that’s very healing.
Sitting with someone in their pain without trying to fix it can be very transformative. Because we feel seen, heard, accepted and not judged. Ideally, we get that in therapy too: unconditional positive regard, i.e. the therapist will never attack us or judge us for feeling a certain way. Even if we start projecting on them, accusing them of being like our parent (which is called negative transfer, I believe).
The job of a therapist in those moments is to hold the space for the client, without getting angry or defensive or offended. A good therapist will not defend themselves, but will try to explore the client’s feelings and the reasons behind the negative transfer. The client is not judged, but supported.
Well, that’s what happens in therapy. However, when the negative transfer happens in real life, on a public forum, it’s hard for the people who are wrongly accused to remain calm and switch into a therapist mode. Because a) we’re not therapists, and b) we’re not in a therapeutic relationship with the person.
True, this shouldn’t stop us from having unconditional positive regard. And I think Alessa had that, throughout the conflict. She’s shown compassion and understanding for the person. But she isn’t the person’s therapist, so she needed to set boundaries for herself. Because being faced with unfair accusations is hard, specially if done in public (at least it is for me, because it kind of magnifies things).
Dear Peter, I’d like to express something I haven’t expressed so far. It’s about how I felt about your reaction to the conflict, back in July/August. It seems you wanted to calm us down, to have us pause, right? You posted a poem about two mirrors reflecting each other. And you said that we should be mindful of our own stories and our own wounds when interacting with each other.
And I’ll be frank with you, Peter, it didn’t feel good to read that, because it felt like you blame us both equally for the conflict, that we’re both reacting from our own wounds. You haven’t acknowledged that perhaps one person is wrongly accusing the other. It felt like you assigned equal blame to both, telling us that we’re simply mirroring each other.
And that felt hurtful. Because, yes, I was defending myself, I didn’t react like a therapist would. But I didn’t accuse the person of things she hasn’t done, whereas she has accused me. And it felt unfair to hear that we’re both equally guilty for what was going on.
So this is what I want to express to you. My goal is to share my feelings and let you know how I felt about it. You’re welcome to share your feeling with me, if you’d like.
What further complicates the issue is that conflict often stirs up old ghosts. We’re not just reacting to the present, but to past wounds the other person can’t see just as we can’t see theirs. In such circumstances misunderstanding is likely if not inevitable and can feel like malice… Yet I wonder how much of the hurt is that ache is of the past not being recognized or acknowledged in the present as we want it to be in this moment…
Yes, the conflict we’re talking about stirred up old ghosts. But it stirred up more old ghosts in one person than in the other two involved in the conflict, resulting in the person accusing the other two of things they haven’t done.
I’ve been just thinking recently that the whole thing could have ended as a misunderstanding, because I apologized for suggesting something ill-fitted, which has clearly upset the person. I apologized twice. And if my apology had been accepted, we could have moved on, or even “agreed to disagree” (about compassion and radical acceptance as a way forward in healing).
But instead, my apology was rejected and I was further accused of harming the community. And this certainly didn’t feel like the person wanted to let things calm down. Quite the contrary, it meant escalation.
In that moment, the conflict shifted into a higher gear, because the person went on the attack, and I decided to defend myself, instead of glossing over it.
Perhaps I should have said something like: “I feel that you’re accusing me of harming the community. That feels really hurtful and unfair.” That would have been expressing what’s bothering me and naming harm, and doing it in the “I” form. That’s how non-violent communication is done. Maybe that would have stopped further attacks, I don’t know.
The way I see it: one party wanted to escalate and came up with unfair accusations. The other party defended themselves without consciously using non-violent communication skills. The third party was quite mindful and was using non-violent communication skills, but it didn’t help, because the attacks kept coming.
In a space where we work on past traumas, even the most empathetic won’t be able to understand our ghosts or banish them, that is our work to do.
Absolutely. If there’s unresolved trauma in us, and we react from old wounds, we might perceive even the most empathetic, the most well-meaning person, as the enemy.
Online, I’ve noticed a subtle expectation that naming a hurt or setting a boundary should lead to resolution. When it doesn’t, the conflict can feel unresolved. … Sometimes, naming the hurt is the most courageous thing we can do, and it has to be enough, if only for our own inner peace. We can’t control the outcome, but we can honor the truth of the moment.
I agree. Conflict resolution is not the same as taking action (e.g. naming harm, setting boundaries) when faced with something that is bothering us. The person can indeed respect our plea or not, hear what’s bothering us, or keep ignoring it.
Conflict resolution doesn’t depend on us only, but on the other party as well. But I think it’s okay to do something, to say something, rather than just keep silent and stoic and process everything within ourselves, not addressing the harm openly.
Your right, Staying with what’s hard isn’t the whole story but maybe it’s the beginning of a different kind of story, one where action arises from presence, and resolution isn’t the only measure of healing?
I agree, action should arise from that calm place within us, not from fight-or-flight. It should arise from us being connected to our true self, i.e. presence, as you call it. That’s ideally.
However, even if someone is not 100% in Zen mode, but is a little bit activated, I think we should be able to discern who is being harmed and e.g. wrongly accused in a particular situation, and who is the one doing the unfair accusations. I don’t think we should lump them all together and conclude that they all react from their wounds.
There should be discernment, because otherwise people who are being attacked and unfairly accused can easily end up being accused for not reacting perfectly, or even for defending themselves. And that’s not fair, because the victim feels doubly accused.
resolution isn’t the only measure of healing
While writing the post I’ve been reflecting on how much power we sometimes give to virtual spaces over how we feel about ourselves. It’s understandable, but I wonder how healthy that is, or how skillful in the Buddhist sense.
True, our own healing shouldn’t depend on whether the conflict is resolved or not, whether the other party has heard us. However, in a public space, be it online or offline, it’s good when we’re seen by others, not necessarily by the party we’re in conflict with, but by objective bystanders who can give us an honest feedback about how we’re coming across and whether we’re doing something hurtful or not.
Because when you’re being accused of being the abuser, and you’re perhaps not super self-confident and harbor feelings of guilt and doubt about yourself – you might even start believing that you are actually harming the person. You might start doubting yourself. So it’s better to receive feedback. And I’m grateful to people who did give me feedback and expressed their support.
But if the Buddha is right, and much of what we experience is illusion, then how much more so in a digital space where tone, presence, and nuance are stripped away?
Yeah, if we have a lot of unresolved trauma, there’s a higher chance that we’ll perceive things wrongly and see harm where there’s none. In that sense, our experience is an illusion. But not all of our experience is an illusion. There are situations where there is objective harm, where we’re being wrongly accused. It’s not our perception, but reality.
Sure, it’s more difficult in online spaces because we only rely on words and emoticons, but even so, I think we can still convey our feelings and our intentions pretty well. I don’t think language is the barrier, but our wounds are the barrier. Our own illusions.
But the thing is: not everything is an illusion. Sometimes harm is real. And we need to be able to respond to it in the best possible way… which is what our recent discussion is all about 🙂
Phew, this was long…. I hope it’s not too much, although I realize I’ve put everything into one post. Please don’t take this as an attack, Peter, just me expressing my thoughts and feelings. Please feel free to share yours.
P.S. I also realize we’re using Alessa’s thread for all this. I still hope Alessa is fine with this conversation. Are you, Alessa?
TeeParticipantHi Peter and everyone,
I’ve reread parts of the recent conversation on this thread, and I want to say I really appreciate Peter for stepping in and sort of asking everyone to pause and stay with the discomfort, with the goal for the tension to calm down and for people to stay, rather than leave the conversation:
Peter said to Alessa:
I see Tiny Buddha as a kind of yoga… a place to practice presence, compassion, and the art of staying with what’s hard. That’s what makes it brave. That’s what makes it safe, and you’re a important part of that. … I hope you don’t leave.
That was beautiful, Peter. You trying to encourage Alessa to stay with the discomfort, so she wouldn’t leave.
And it occurs to me that pausing and “feeling the tension”, which Peter was talking about, should actually be the first step whenever we feel bothered by something someone said or did. Instead of reacting automatically, from fight-or-flight, we should examine why we’re feeling hurt: whether it is really something offensive and hurtful coming from the outside, or we’re being triggered and our own wound is being reactivated.
And then, after the pause and self-examination, when we’ve calmed down, we can decide how to respond and if we even want to respond. But it’s wise to do it after we’ve paused and examined ourselves.
What I don’t agree with (and I’m not claiming this is what you suggested, Peter) is that we should always, or most of the times, “stay with what’s hard” and do nothing. That we should be stoic about our pain. That we should always, or most of the times, endure, without confronting the person.
It’s okay and necessary to look at our own triggers and examine ourselves. However, there are times when someone is poking us with a stick metaphorically, and we don’t need to endure that. And we shouldn’t leave either (which would be the flight reaction). Rather, something needs to be done, so that abusive behavior wouldn’t continue, either with us or with other people. Because if not challenged, abuse tends to continue and spread.
And so sometimes we need to stay and confront the person. But I agree, ideally it should be done after we’ve calmed down and examined ourselves, and not from the fight reaction, where there’s a high chance to escalate the conflict.
So to sum up, I think that “feel the tension”, or “stay with what’s hard” is a really good advice for the beginning of the conflict, when we should pause and examine ourselves. But it’s not necessarily a good advice for the rest of the conflict, because sometimes we need to take action and set boundaries, so that the abuse wouldn’t continue unchecked.
And Peter, I’m not claiming that you suggested we should always endure abuse. I’m just trying to clarify those things for myself because I truly want to learn how to handle conflict optimally.
TeeParticipantThis is so sweet of you to say, Jana. You’re such a good person, with a big heart, and your willingness to keep working on yourself, to keep improving, is remarkable. You’re also helping us all here by opening important topics, that may be uncomfortable to talk about, but are crucial for self-development.
I wish you a lot of fulfilling time in nature and connecting to your deepest self. ❤️
The quote about new beginnings is beautiful – indeed, every day is a chance for a new beginning, a new way to look at ourselves and the world. Every day is an opportunity to become more healed, more whole… ❤️
I hope you don’t stay away for too long. Your presence here is much appreciated. ❤️
TeeParticipant* correction: that define how we see ourselves today
TeeParticipantHi Jana,
I have never blamed anyone for my troubles (I used to have strong social phobia since very early childhood until 25… I’m 36 today) or for what happened to me.
That’s a great character feature, Jana. Blaming others and not taking responsibility for our own life isn’t what will bring us forward. It won’t change our life circumstances, but will keep us stuck in the victim mentality.
So you’re right in not blaming others. However, sometimes we need to establish what happened – if there was trauma or some of our emotional needs haven’t been met during our childhood – because only when we know what’s missing, can we heal it.
Barbara Heffernan, a psychotherapist whose youtube channel I follow, once said:
Healing is a fact-finding, not a fault-finding mission.
We need to establish the facts of what happened to us – not with the goal of blaming people, but with the goal of healing. And a large part of healing is healing our inner child, giving her what she might have not received in childhood.
My parents are regular people with some mistakes, like all people. They both expressed regrets that they would have done things differently if they could go back… My mom was so unhappy thinking what a horrible mother she had to be 😔… which isn’t true! ❤️
This is wonderful that your parents expressed regret for perhaps not doing certain things properly in your childhood, of perhaps making mistakes that might have affected you later in life. It’s great that they’re self-aware and willing to admit that perhaps they haven’t been the greatest parents back then.
My mother for example would never do it, she would never admit that she wasn’t the greatest, most loving mother she could have been. And she definitely wasn’t: she was strict, lacked empathy for me, and very perfectionist. And other things. But she believes she was a loving mother, who sacrificed herself for me.
I love them and I know they love us (we are 4 children) and they are much more open to show affection to us today than ever before. 😊 Life runs and people change and realize a lot on the way…
That’s wonderful, Jana! The fact that they can show affection much more readily than before and that they have changed is amazing. Not all people are able to do that. Not all parents change for the better – some remain stubborn. So you’re lucky, Jana, that you have parents who are willing to examine themselves and grow. ❤️
When I had bad feelings about my past a few days ago… these are just echoes of my suffering… so I don’t forget what it was like…
You know, childhood trauma tends to stay with us, affecting us even into our adulthood, even if our parents (or people close to us) have changed in the meanwhile. That’s because we’ve received some of those key developmental imprints during our childhood.
That’s when we’ve learned whether we’re worthy of love or not, whether our needs are important or not, whether we matter or not. It is in our childhood that we’ve received those key “messages”, or imprints, that define how we ourselves today.
So even if our parents are more loving and caring than they were in our childhood, chances are that our inner child is still seeing the world through those distorted lenses, since the old imprints are still active. I’m not saying this is the case with you, just that it’s something worth considering. That if you find yourself reacting to things in the old way, even if the circumstances (and people) around you have changed, perhaps it’s your inner child still reacting to those old wounds and old conditioning. Just an idea…
I can feel that childhood is your topic.
Oh yes, definitely. And that’s because I’ve realized and experienced on my own skin how important healing the inner child is. Before I’ve started working with my inner child, I was stuck, I suffered from an eating disorder, I was blaming myself, I had no empathy for myself, my inner critic was very strong. Only when I’ve learned about the concept of the inner child, have I started to experience a significant shift in self-love, self-compassion and eventually, self-worth. Before that, I was really in a bad place, and it had lasted for a long long time.
If you want to share more from your experience, you can.
I’d be happy to share more about my healing, if you’re interested. I’ve shared a lot over the years on this forum, both about my childhood background and my healing, but if you’re interested in something specific, I’d be happy to talk about it. ❤️
TeeParticipantHi Alessa,
I’m glad you find this an important conversation, and are not upset about it ❤️
Some things that I find helpful to consider are frequency and intensity of difficulties. Yes, technically some behaviours are abusive. There is even such a thing as reactive abuse where someone will act in these ways to defend themselves. The way I see things is that real abuse occurs frequently and consistently, sometimes in multiple different ways and isn’t reactive, or is severe. That is not to say that other difficulties don’t hurt because they definitely still do. I’m just not going to suggest that it means a person is inherently abusive.
You’re so right, Alessa, that multiple things should be taken into account. Yes, I’ve heard of reactive abuse: it’s when we’re being abused, and then we react with anger and say something hurtful to the person. In other words, we’re provoked and then we overreact.
I’ve once heard a good metaphor about it: one person is poking the other with a stick. The person who is being poked asks the other to stop, but they wouldn’t. They ask them multiple times, but to no avail. Eventually, the person who is being poked takes the stick, breaks it in half and throws it away. They reacted to having been persistently abused.
So we need to take into account the whole story: what is really going on, how frequent and consistent the abuse is, how severe it is, etc. The victim sometimes does overreact, and then gets accused of being abusive. Whereas the initial abuse, which they had to endure, isn’t taken into account.
That’s usually how narcissistic people operate: they provoke, they behave badly, and then when the person reacts (in an unbalanced way, maybe telling them something hurtful), the narcissist focuses on that, blaming the person of being abusive. When in reality, the narcissist is the real abuser, and the victim is trying to defend themselves, but hasn’t learned the tools to do it a balanced, healthy way.
So I agree 100%: context is super important.
As a parent I think it is really important for me to be understanding of conflict because at some point my son will be a teenager. Teenagers these days tend to be verbally abusive, some even hit their parents, siblings or others at school, but their emotional regulation skills are not fully developed yet. In short, it is something that they struggle to control and a part of their development. It is a parent’s responsibility to handle these difficulties in a healthy way and try not to be reactive which would only traumatise their children.
100%. Parents need to be able to emotionally regulate themselves and also their children as well. That’s one of the key features of a healthy parent: the ability to self-regulate, as well as to regulate their child. If the person gets offended or angry by the child having normal childish reactions – for the child being a child – they make things much worse. Instead of teaching the child how to self-soothe and regulate themselves, they’re punishing the child for expressing emotions. And that’s traumatic for the child, I agree.
You’re doing a great job, Alessa, being a very responsible mother, doing everything on your part to not cause trauma to your son. Really doing your best. Kudos to you, Alessa! ❤️
TeeParticipantHi Peter and everyone,
I find this discussion about conflict very intriguing, and I’d like to share a few thoughts of my own.
It also occurred to me that my use of the word fix was off the mark again and that what I wrote could have been taken as a suggestion for all levels of conflict. From life threatening level 5 where resolution is vital, to misunderstanding level 1 where it might be ok to agree to disagree. When I wrote the response I was in the Level 1 mindset.
This is a great observation, Peter. That not all conflicts are of the same kind, and that in some, resolution is vital, because someone’s life might be in danger (there might be severe abuse taking place, e.g. domestic violence). Whereas in some conflicts, it might be okay to agree to disagree. The former being level 5, the latter, level 1. Brilliant!
You’ve mentioned a third way of dealing with the conflict. You’re talking about it here:
Honoring conflict without needing to fix, smooth over, or silence can be an act of deep respect. It asks us to stay present with discomfort, to trust that tension itself can be fertile ground for growth.
For me the question is: Can we hold space for conflict, not to resolve it immediately, but to honor it as part of the process? Can we stay present with the discomfort of misunderstanding, and trust that something meaningful might still grow there?…
Anyone who’s taken a yoga class knows holding tension in a posture isn’t easy or comfortable. But through breath and practice, we grow stronger. It’s still uncomfortable, but we learn that discomfort is okay. We’re okay as we are, even in our failings, maybe especially because of them.
After I posted, even though I stand by what I said, I felt the urge to pull it because I realized how easily even well-intentioned words can land in ways we don’t expect. Especially in spaces where people are hurting and trying to be heard as they attempt to create healthy boundaries… despite the impulse to stay out of it, I wanted to be brave and offer a third way…
If I understood you well, the 3rd way means to feel the tension and discomfort of the conflict, but not do anything to “fix” it, e.g. to address the issue that is bothering us, to speak up, to try to alleviate the pain we might be feeling.
I also understand that you don’t believe all conflicts should be handled like that, because you say that some conflicts do require resolution (“life threatening level 5 where resolution is vital“).
I would like to expand on that idea and talk about when I believe there is a need for resolution (i.e. action).
I believe action is needed whenever there is abuse taking place (be it physical or emotional), and there is a perpetrator and a victim. I think that those types of conflicts shouldn’t just be observed without doing anything.
Because I believe that abuse shouldn’t be endured, even if it’s “just” emotional abuse and not a life threatening situation (i.e. level 5).
You said some things back in August, about the conflict that was going on back then, which suggest that perhaps we should have just endured it stoically (Aug 10):
Tinny Buddha is a space that encourages vulnerability. That means boundaries will be tested, and yes, sometimes we will feel hurt and misunderstood. But I believe that if we can sit with that discomfort and not rush to fix it or assign blame, we find healing. That tension, that pause, is where transformation begins. It’s part of what makes life rich and worth living.
I tend to lean on the rule of charity and stoic thinking in these matters and for the most part it serves me well. But that can make insensitive and miss when someone has been caught up in the moment and left unheard. I’m sorry that in my initial response, I didn’t acknowledge the hurt you felt.
Maybe a deeper question is: can we find ways to honor someone’s inner process while also honoring our own, even when they seem to clash? It’s not an easy task, and I suspect each of us must find our own answer. But perhaps asking the question is enough to begin creating a space of grace, for understanding, time and healing and even forgiveness we all seek.
I believe that in the situation that was happening back then, we weren’t supposed to simply feel the discomfort and be stoic about it, because the conflict back then involved emotional abuse. People were getting hurt, and the abuse wouldn’t have stopped on its own, because the person refused to stop it.
And so action needed to be taken. We couldn’t honor the person’s inner process for however long it would have taken, because it was hurtful to real people whom the person was accusing of harming them, when objectively that wasn’t happening.
(I’m not using names on purpose, because I don’t want this to sound like I’m accusing people all over again. Because that’s not my intention at all. My intention is to discuss how to best deal with various types of conflict.).
I do believe, however, that there are conflicts in which we can “agree to disagree”. And it’s usually when it comes to matters of preference (e.g. liking one political party over another, liking certain policy measures or not), or even more trivial things, such as liking a certain country, a certain climate, a certain dish, etc.
People sometimes do get in vicious conflicts about things that are a matter of taste or preference, and that’s bad. It shouldn’t be like that.
However, when the conflict ensues because one person is being abusive to the other, and the other is trying to set a boundary, well, in my opinion, that’s not a matter of preference anymore. That’s not the “let’s agree to disagree” type of conflict.
I do agree with what you said here (Sept 18):
When I first saw the title of this thread — Safe and Brave — it felt like a contradiction. Bravery isn’t acting without fear; it’s feeling the fear and showing up anyway. And safety, I’m learning, might not mean comfort or agreement, but the kind of space where we’re allowed to get it wrong and still be held.
Yes, safety can mean to be held compassionately when we get it wrong. That’s a part of unconditional love, I suppose. And yes, what you describe is one aspect of safety: safety to make mistakes.
But there’s another aspect of safety: safety from abuse. Being allowed to protect ourselves, to set boundaries, and not be told to endure and accept abuse.
And I think that if we want to make this place safe (and brave), we need to have both aspects of safety covered.
In closing, I’d just like to say, Peter, that my intention here is not to cause another conflict. Not at all. I only wanted to share my perspective on conflict and clarify some things. You might not agree with me, in fact I’m okay if at the end we decide to “agree to disagree” 🙂 But I wanted to bring this up, because I find it a very important issue.
Alessa, I hope this is not too much for you. Truly, my intention is not to get into conflict, but to talk about it, so we can learn from the previous conflict and not repeat the same mistakes again. But if you feel uncomfortable, please say so. ❤️
TeeParticipantHi Jana,
you’re welcome!
Are you interested in Buddhism?
Hmm, I’d say I’m the closest to Christian mysticism, but I think the mystical branches in all religions tend to converge to one universal truth.. perhaps. And I definitely agree with many of the Buddhist teachings. I mean, the concept of mindfulness has its roots in Buddhism, right? (forgive me for being so ignorant), and it’s a hugely important idea. To be able to sit with anything that comes up, without judging ourselves, but simply observing. That’s the basis of self-compassion. So yeah, I definitely have a great respect for Buddhist teachings ❤️
I like the concept of watering the seeds. It reminds me of the Cherokee legend of two wolves, and the question of which one we’re feeding…
Now as I’m thinking of those “bad” seeds in us (seeds of anger, fear, sadness, as you say), I believe that a lot of that has been planted during our childhood. Trauma has left us with a lot of fear, anger (sometimes expressed, sometimes suppressed), sadness, hopelessness, feeling unworthy, undeserving of love, etc.
And now, as adults, when we encounter people or situations that remind us of how we’ve felt in childhood, those seeds get watered again. Our wounds get reopened. Our false believes get reaffirmed.
And I think that working on ourselves, healing those childhood wounds, would be akin to taking care of our garden, pruning it, plucking out the weeds.
Selective watering involves mindful practice to water the seeds of love, peace, and compassion, which strengthens them and helps them bloom, while the seeds of anger or fear are safe and dormant in the soil… I take care of them, of course, but I don’t water them… otherwise my garden would be full of thorns…
I wouldn’t even say that the seeds of anger or fear should stay dormant (i.e. suppressed). I mean, we shouldn’t express anger in our communication with others, that’s for sure. We should restrain ourselves.
However, we ourselves should be aware of it and start unpacking it (the best to do it in therapy), because if some things upset us hugely, if we feel disproportional anger, then it’s most probably something from our childhood. We have most probably been somehow mistreated, and that anger and hurt is coming to the surface whenever the situation reminds us of that old wound.
Similarly with fear. For example, I know that the irrational fear I’m feeling in certain areas of my life – has to do with my childhood conditioning. The seed of fear has been planted long ago. And so I need to put conscious effort into not slipping into fear whenever I face a challenge now, in my adulthood.
Sorry if this is becoming too burdensome (it is for me, as I’m writing it 🙂 ). But I think this is what Hanh is talking about when he says that we’re partly responsible for our own suffering:
When we suffer, we have the tendency to blame other people and to see them as the source of our suffering. We don’t recognize that we are responsible to some extent for our suffering as well as for making those around us suffer.
If we have a lot of childhood wounds, e.g. lot of subconscious fear and anger, we will tend to misunderstand people, see bad intention where there is none, react with anger and escalate things, or withdraw easily and not stand up for ourselves, for example. We’ll interpret situations and events in a much more unfavorable light, and those “seeds” will get watered again, strengthening our fear and/or anger. And our suffering will continue.
And when he says:
Practice mindful breathing, mindful walking, embracing your own suffering, and using loving speech.
I think that to embrace our own suffering means to become aware of our trauma, of how we’ve been hurt in our childhood, of what emotional needs haven’t been met, etc. Because all that contributes to our present-day suffering.
If we can heal those wounds, we would lessen our suffering. I’m not saying we would eliminate it, because it’s not possible, but we wouldn’t see things in a bad light, we wouldn’t see harm when there is none, we wouldn’t get triggered so easily. And so our suffering would be greatly reduced.
When I think about it now, I feel guilty that I let myself be influenced by others, but it’s something natural and normal that people and their energies influence me… somewhere along the path of my life I got this strange message that I’m weak if I let myself be influenced… that I have to endure everything… because it’s supposed to be done like that…
Yes, that can also be a message that we’ve received from our parents or authority figures: that we shouldn’t be so upset about being bullied, for example. I don’t know if this is the message you’ve received in your childhood, but if the victim of abuse is told that it’s not a big deal, they shouldn’t make a scene about it, they should be more “grown up” about it and just take it, endure it… that kind of messaging can be very harmful.
The truth is that it’s okay to be upset and angry if we were abused. We’re not weak for that. We’re people of flesh and blood. We’ve got feelings. And it’s specially hard if we were told that as children, if our pain hasn’t been properly acknowledged, if we were told that we were weak for not taking the abuse calmly, for not enduring it.
That kind of messaging is very harmful for a child. I don’t know if you’ve experienced something like that, and I don’t want to pry if you feel uncomfortable talking about it. But it’s certainly not true that we need to endure abuse – neither as children, nor now. Only now we have the tools to protect ourselves – and to do it in a compassionate, respectful way.
I hope I haven’t burdened you too much with this… but please do let me know if something doesn’t sit well with you. As you might have noticed, I’m quite eager to talk about this topic 🙂 but let me know if this is becoming too much…
Stay well and take care! ❤️
TeeParticipantDear Anita and Alessa,
just a quick note: I want to reply to both of you, but it will be only later today.
Till later, have a nice day!
TeeParticipantHi Jana,
it is okay to feel anger when there is mistreatment, but it is not okay to turn our anger into a lifestyle.
I think I know what you’re talking about: there are indeed people who are angry “just because”, i.e. anger is their lifestyle, because they tend to keep blaming others for their problems. They refuse to see how they themselves are contributing to their own problems.
And yes, it’s hard to communicate with such people, because the moment you point out something they might do differently, or that they might not be viewing the situation correctly, they lash out at you and start blaming you. Their defensiveness is so strong that it’s hard, if not impossible, to reach them.
And yeah, in such situation we run the risk of getting angry and reactive ourselves, and to further escalate the conflict. I like what Thich Nhat Hanh says that in order to communicate with those people, we need to become more mindful:
You have to train yourself first to become skillful. Practice mindful breathing, mindful walking, embracing your own suffering, and using loving speech. Then, you can approach the other person with your solid presence and your mindful speech.
I think it’s important to remain calm and non-reactive, as much as possible. It depends on what kind of relationship we have with the person, but if we’re family and we need to (or want to) communicate, I think it’s important not to try to prove our point (i.e. prove to them that we’re right and they’re wrong), because that’s only going to make them more angry and defensive.
We need to be more mindful in our speech, but also in what we can expect from them, because a lot of the times they’re not interested in a significant change. So we need to drop some of our expectations and be less emotionally attached. And stop with unproductive fights and conflicts, because those lead nowhere, they only make us feel worse.
So I think emotional self-regulation and semi-detachment (letting go of trying to change some things) are really important in trying to communicate with those people. That’s step No1: sort of cultivating our own emotional state when interacting with them. Not allowing ourselves to be provoked and react in an angry, unbalanced way.
some people will not take their full responsibility for becoming a healthy person… and my compassion is not a bottomless well…
Yeah, some people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, their own unhealthy or even self-destructive lifestyle. And I find that in those cases, we have to partially accept that and let them go (stop trying to “save” them).
Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like being emotionally detached is also a form of compassion, but it manifests differently, because we’re not trying to help as much, we’re not trying to change their life circumstances if they’re so resistant to change.
To me, it’s a kind of detached compassion, where we’re not exhausting ourselves in trying to help, since they’re pushing our help way. We accept, radically accept certain things (but of course, if there is significant danger that they’re causing to either themselves or others around them, we might still take some action). But again, even if we take action, it doesn’t come from this desperate place of trying to change them, to turn them into a different person, to change their character.
I don’t know if this can be called compassion, but it helped me be less emotionally attached, and as a result, more calm and balanced in the relationship with the person. And the relationship doesn’t feel so exhausting and threatening any more.
I hear you when you say that your compassion is not a bottomless pit. What I find is that when I detach myself, I can be compassionate but without hurting myself in the process, without “grasping” and trying to change the person.
Let me know what you think?
TeeParticipantDear Jana,
yes, beautiful quotes indeed. The quote about the pause reminds me of what Viktor Frankl said:
Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.
If we pause, the space opens… in which can choose our response. We don’t need to react, but we can respond. It’s something that I am learning to do as well.
I like another quote, by an American psychologist and coach Henry Cloud, who said:
Anger is a signal, not a solution.
What he means is that it’s okay to feel anger, because sometimes it means that our boundaries are being crossed, that we’re violated in some way. Anger in itself is not bad – it can be a useful signal to us that we should protect ourselves. However, it doesn’t mean we should react with anger, in anger. Instead, we can learn how to set boundaries assertively and compassionately.
And also, when we feel anger, it’s good to observe ourselves: why we feel angry, are we facing an external threat, are we being abused, or maybe we’re overreacting because the situation reminds us of something we’ve experienced before, i.e. it’s an old wound that got reopened?
Sometimes both can be true: there is abuse or mistreatment coming from another person, and we’re overreacting because of our past trauma. So we need to unpick what is due to our own sensitivity and perhaps our false perception of things, and what is really hurtful that is coming from the outside.
In any case, I like the notion that anger is a signal, but not a solution. When we feel anger, we need to pause and reflect. And come up with a solution, a response, which is more balanced and compassionate than if we reacted from anger.
I too am still learning these things. It’s good to talk about it and find solutions that are both compassionate and assertive. I guess that’s the point of non-violent communication. Thanks, Jana, for starting this topic ❤️
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
I do understand your need to feel safe. It also appears that you don’t feel safe if there’s a possibility that you might be faced with unfavorable feedback, right?
But the thing is: whenever we post in a public forum, there is a possibility that we might receive unfavorable feedback. It’s just the nature of public spaces. And that’s why, I think that we all need to be willing to accept the risk of receiving unfavorable feedback.
Of course, this doesn’t mean we should tolerate abuse. There are rules and guidelines that define the code of conduct here, and if these rules are not kept, the moderator can intervene and prevent abusive posts. So the moderator is what keeps this place safe, i.e. free from abuse.
I believe that if we start imposing extra requirements, e.g. that certain people shouldn’t post in certain threads – preemptively, so that we can feel safe – unfortunately, that’s already infringing on people’s rights to freely express themselves in a public forum.
Because we’re requiring people to refrain from posting (or we’re asking others to do that on our behalf), because we feel threatened by them and they might say something we don’t like down the line. That’s basically censorship because it’s about preemptive action: not allowing certain people to post – only because we feel threatened by them. They might have not even said anything, and yet we don’t want them to speak, lest they say something we deem hurtful.
I don’t know if you can see that this would be censorship, Anita, and not really congruent with the rules (and the spirit) of a public forum? Preemptive attempts to prevent people from posting vs. case-by-case intervention by a moderator if real abuse has taken place. The former is censorship, the latter is keeping the forum safe. Huge difference. I hope you can see it?
What I’m also noticing is that your stance on sharing in public vs. private has changed in the last day or two. Whereas right after the conflict you said you’re planning to take your time to reflect privately, and that it may take a month or two, yesterday you’ve expressed to Alessa that you would prefer to reflect publicly:
My only motivation is to honestly reflect.. and seems like it’s difficult for me to do so privately. I am used to express publicly.
Have you thought about why it’s easier for you to reflect publicly than privately? Because honestly, doing any kind of self-reflection in public is much more exposed, much more vulnerable, than doing it in private. Sharing our deepest thoughts and feelings with the entire world, so to speak, is really putting ourselves out there.
What I’m noticing is that you really want to share deeply, to “put yourself out there”, however it’s very hard for you to receive any unfavorable feedback (or what you might perceive as unfavorable). You want to be shielded from that.
But I’m afraid those are two contradictory desires, which cannot really be met simultaneously, because we’re talking about a public forum.
Please don’t take this as criticism, Anita, but simply noticing a certain dynamic, a certain struggle in you, and inviting you to take it into consideration, to reflect on it. ❤️
I hope that on this forum, we’re able to really hear each other, understand each other, and share without fearing each other. Because I think that’s what safe and brave places should be about ❤️
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
How have you been?
ehh, I’ve been better… it’s my health again, same things coming up again. I really need to force myself to follow my own advice: not to focus on the things I cannot change, but on that which I can.
It’s so easy to focus on the negative when the pain is physical. It’s hard not to think about it… but I guess I have to, I have to shift my attention from that pain (and the entire narrative that it evokes) to something constructive, where I can actually change things, where I don’t need to feel stuck. So that’s been my battle, and I still haven’t won it 🙁
My father is doing okay, though we’ve been changing hospitals now and then because sometimes his coughing gets worse. He has TB, but it’s now just a six-month prevention course of doses.
Oh wow, I’m sorry your dad has TB. I’ve just looked it up – it says it’s important to exterminate the bacteria fully, so that it doesn’t become resistant to antibiotics. I guess that’s why he needs to take the antibiotics over the period of 6 months?
Recently, I’ve been feeling that old sense of losing self-worth without a job. It’s been so many months and there’s still no progress, so many applications, no replies. The stress and self-doubt I was fearing before is starting to build again. On top of that, the financial pressure from hospital bills, family stress, and the loneliness… even though I had good savings, it’s wearing me down.
I’m so sorry, SereneWolf. It sounds tough… I’m honestly impressed that you, even though unemployed, are still able to cover all the medical bills for your father and to support yourself as well. It shows you were very smart, having some savings set aside, because God knows, you need it now.
I do hope you’ll find a suitable job ASAP. Please try not to lose self-confidence, because you’re a very capable young man. The current situation, with you supporting your family even without being employed – speaks to that. I like what you said here:
I also know deep down that no matter what, I’ll figure things out if I just get the opportunity.
Yes, definitely! You’re very capable and you’ll figure things out. Just don’t start doubting yourself!
No, my father isn’t working, and there’s no retirement either since he was in the family business.
Oh that’s bad. So he was working for himself and wasn’t paying anything towards his retirement? And hasn’t set anything aside, as a savings fund?
I’ve been feeling that old sense of losing self-worth without a job.
I hear you, because I know it very well when the old narrative starts creeping in. Mine is the narrative of hopelessness, yours is of no self-worth. Worthlessness. But it’s such a huge, monumental lie, SereneWolf. It’s the old program creeping in, but you know how to switch it off. You can repeat to yourself something like: “I am worthy always, even when I don’t have a job”.
You’ve been raised with the narrative that your worth is measured by how much money you make, right? By how financially successful you are… and that’s such a cruel stance.
Something’s just occurred to me: it could be that parents were saying this to their children, because they expected to be taken care of in their old age. If the children aren’t successful, the parents won’t be able to be taken care of properly. So perhaps this entire culture of measuring the child’s worth through the lens of material success is based on this, rather, selfish premise? Of worrying about their own old age and trying to ensure they’d be properly taken care of?
I don’t want to speak badly of your parents, but perhaps the culture in India is a bit cruel towards children in general, and so you were raised in such a culture, and it’s very hard to extricate yourself from its conditioning?
Still, I do hope you find a job soon, and something you like as well. Are you still looking for remote positions exclusively?
Cooking is honestly the only thing keeping me sane right now. I’m trying to entertain myself, but I rarely find anything that really clicks.
Good that you have something to keep your spirits high. What about bike riding and other activities that you said you love?
I hope your situation changes soon… but you know, perhaps what should change first is the inner “situation”, i.e. your self-image, where you’re telling yourself that you’re worthless without a job. If that’s what you’re telling yourself, or are tempted to tell yourself, please change it. Please rewrite this false narrative. And then perhaps, even your outer situation will change all of a sudden…
Wishing you luck and rooting for you, SereneWolf!
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