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Dear lpkR09,
your late grandmother seems like a loving, caring person. She did a fine job taking care of you, and it could be that because of that, you have a certain strength and resilience in you, that you otherwise wouldn’t have.
My mum used to sneak from the house and travel between districts to reach me on my birthdays. I knew her as an aunt, not my mum. I used to call my Grandma my ‘mum’ then.
That’s interesting. It must have been hard when you were separated from your granny and taken to your parents. How did you react to that (specially when they told you that your granny isn’t your mother, but that the “aunt” actually is your mother)? How well did you accept your mother (and how well did she accept you)? And how was the adaptation to your new life circumstances? I guess your sister wasn’t too happy to have you there…
I believe it was a huge change for you and possibly a traumatic one, and it left consequences, for sure.
I didn’t know that I was left at my granny’s till I was much much older. But when I did find out, it explained a lot of things. My mother used to tell a story that when she came to visit me during that period, I leaned towards my granny, a little apprehensive, and asked “Granny, who’s this lady?” I didn’t even recognize my mother… And you’re right, these experiences did hurt me, but also forced me to work on myself and heal. And I am happy if I can help people who went through something similar…
TeeParticipantDear Neverdyed,
good to hear from you! I’m fine, thanks.
My boss showed up looking upset, and I guessed it’s because of me even without obvious reasons.
I said again because I often think like that, and now I wonder what I can do to improve the issue in addition to find out why I tend to act like that.
First, it’s good that you’ve noticed it, and also that you’ve noticed it’s a pattern that comes up in similar situations: that you’re blaming yourself. It most probably stems from your childhood, because the child always believes it’s their fault if the parent is unhappy or upset. With your boss you feel the same, because he’s an authority figure, so he evokes similar feelings of wanting to please him and get his approval, or avoid his judgment. He might have been upset because something totally unrelated to you, but you took it on yourself, believing it’s your fault.
What you can do is be aware of the pattern, and also work on understanding the family dynamic that led to this pattern. How did your parents made you feel guilty, even when you were completely innocent? You’d need to understand that it wasn’t your fault and refuse to take the blame on yourself.
TeeParticipantIf the Universe wants to take me out and make me give up, it will have to kill me.
This shows you still have quite a negative view of the universe, as if it were the enemy. Still projecting your negative view about your parents at the universe… Well, anyway, just be aware of it. It can’t be changed without some deeper inner work, but be aware it’s a false belief and that it doesn’t really help you reach your goals.
TeeParticipantI will compromise, but to a point.
That’s good – keep your minimum standards, because otherwise you won’t be happy.
I am asking the universe to help me find something, but I am not expecting anything.
Dare to expect and hope. The universe might have something really good in store for you!
TeeParticipantI understand you, Felix. But also, IT is a huge sector, I mean everybody needs IT services, so have you tried those non-profits and smaller organizations that you like better? I do hope you get an acceptable offer at such a place. Because you don’t like soulless anything, and if you’d have to work for a soulless, greedy company, you’d be betraying your core values. There’s a whole range of sustainable companies that care not only about profit, but about making good in the world as well, e.g. you can google bcorp.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
one thing I’ve noticed a few posts ago is that you said you’re applying for a job at various “soulless corporations”, being rejected all the time. But you also said that you know what you want in terms of career and have worked out a plan for yourself. Does that plan involve working at a soulless corporation, or it’s something else?
TeeParticipantDear Sofioula,
I am very happy that what I said made sense and resonated with you.
One more thing that makes me uncomfortable though, is that I told my ex that I wanted to be married by 27 – 28 and that was the official reason for our break up (others became apparent to me later). Since that’s not happening, I feel so bad for not doing as I said. In my eyes it’s him telling me “I told you so” and it drives me crazy. How do I deal with that?
What you told your ex was not really your true desire, but the expectations of your parents speaking through you. Even if it were your own desire, we have the right to change our minds. A year ago you were thinking one thing, and now, with an expanded understanding, you believe something else. That’s how we grow and evolve – nothing bad about it.
What makes it bad is when you believe that changing your mind or making a mistake is a bad thing – something that your father taught you to believe. He made you a bad person for making a mistake (although changing your mind isn’t even a mistake), and you believe it. You’d need to tell yourself it’s your father’s programming, and there’s nothing wrong with changing your mind or making a mistake. You can tell yourself a little mantra: “I have the right to make mistakes”. Or “I have the right to change my mind.” And “I am not a bad person because of it”.
Regarding therapy, CBT does have its limits. What helped me was body-oriented, somatic therapy, which works with the body and emotions too, not just with the mind. Because we can understand everything on the rational level, and yet be unable to truly change our behavior and our reactions in day-to-day life. Working with the inner child is super helpful because our inner child holds those subconscious beliefs and emotional wounding. Once we get in touch with our inner child and get a corrective emotional experience in therapy, that’s when we can truly heal and it shows in our everyday life too.
Sorry for the capslock. It’s just that I felt so angry with them. Especially my dad. This is what I have to put up with every single time I’m about to make a decision, whether it is buying a car, dating someone, ordering take-out of FOR GOD’S SAKE spilling water on the freaking table. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL. So unbearably controlling.
It’s okay that you feel anger, it can be healing. You said in previous threads that your father used to yell at you if you’d accidentally drop food on the floor, or such little things. It’s almost like he needed every excuse so he can vent his anger. He was full of anger, but it wasn’t your fault, it was his personality. He might have been angry at his controlling mother, who knows, but he was never allowed to express it to her, and he never saw the need to deal with it in therapy, so he vented whenever possible. It’s easiest to vent at children because they’re weak and subordinate. My mother used to yell at me too, for tiniest things. It’s how they manage stress. But it’s terribly damaging for the child…
Also, the need for control. My mother used to control me too, I think because of 2 things: 1) she feared for me – she was/is a person based on fear, and 2) she didn’t trust that I can take care of myself, or that I can make good decisions for myself. She brought me up with lots of criticism and condemnation, lots of scolding, yelling, telling me how wrong I was in this or that way. If you’re constantly told you aren’t good enough and there’s something wrong with you, then the child stops believing in oneself and its inner voice. The internal compass gets messed up… and eventually, we really might start making foolish decisions and act in weird ways, but it’s the result of our upbringing, not because there’s something inherently wrong with us – as our parents would want us to believe.
Your father’s anger and the need for control are the result of his own unresolved issues, and also of lack of basic understanding that the child isn’t his ownership, his “project” that he can mold into an obedient soldier, or a doll, as you said. The child has its own unique personality, its own desires, its own temperament. It needs to be treated as an individual, not as the parent’s ownership.
My mother treated me like her ownership, and I believe your father did that with you too. There was no place for your unique individuality, for your desires, for your goals and dreams – you need to fulfill what he wants and thinks is best for you. That’s the epitome of an authoritative parent. If you don’t obey him, he believes you don’t love him.
So the above would roughly be the answer to your question of why he has to control you, patronize you, worry about your potential failures, and tell you “I told you so”. He probably won’t change, at least not spontaneously, but the good thing is that you can change, in a way that you aren’t susceptible any more to his fears and attempts to control you, but can be your own person and choose your own life and destiny. It’s not easy to do, but it’s possible, step by step, to reclaim the real, authentic you <3
- This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Tee.
April 12, 2021 at 12:58 am in reply to: trying to live with unrelenting shame (maybe I should kill myself) #377523TeeParticipantDear ninibee,
Sometimes I feel like my mind goes blank and I cannot see or remember anything wrong with my mom
a part of the problem could be that the wound happen very early in your childhood. I’ve looked at your previous threads and saw that you mentioned your mom had germophobia, and also that you have a phobia of vomiting which might be related to an incident on an airplane when you were left unchanged in your own vomit. You also mentioned that later you didn’t like when your mother was going through your dirty laundry and that you preferred to wash your clothes by yourself.
All that indicates to me that your mother might have been disgusted with your bodily secretions and was very uncomfortable changing your diapers, cleaning you from vomit etc, specially since she’s so afraid of germs. So her disgust and maybe even fear of your bodily secretions have probably registered in you, and you now feel disgusting and unacceptable to yourself. The rejection happened so early, that it’s hard to pinpoint what exactly it is.
It has nothing to do with you – you were a normal baby pooing and puking like every other baby – it has to do with your mother’s inability to accept you on the bodily level, thus creating a feeling in you of being rejected for who you are.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
When I feel like I don’t have the strength to go on, which was the original topic for this post, I will look inside, I will reach out to the Universe, I will reach out to those who are true friends and true family (not through blood, but through courage and love), and ask them for love and support.
that’s really beautiful if you can do that. You’re right not to put too much time and energy in keeping touch with your family, because they don’t appreciate it anyway. Better to remove yourself from their toxicity, as you say. But if you can reach out to the universe and to other loving people for help and support, that would be a great step.
What I tried to point out in my previous post is that you might be projecting your negative experience with your family to the universe, and therefore are feeling as if the universe were mute or even harsh and not responding to your pleas. However if you change that attitude and realize that the universe and other people aren’t like your family, and you start hoping and reaching out again, you might have a very different experience.
TeeParticipantDear lpkR09,
I enjoy things on my own and suddenly It hits me, I want someone who could see this, appreciate the view, appreciate the taste, or smell… experiences and me.
I believe it’s due to your early experience of not having anyone mirror you and appreciate you – since you were given away. Do you have any memories with your grandmother from that early period? Or later with her? What kind of person was she? If she was reserved and didn’t spend too much time playing and interacting with you, it’s only natural that you’re missing that “mirroring” and “witnessing” – having another person acknowledge us and be happy that we exist.
I too was given away when I was around 1.5 years old and spent some 9 months at my granny’s. I also had a very strong fear of being abandoned and also of being lonely. I remember later, when I’d come to stay at my granny’s during summer holidays, and hearing the clock ticking in the evening, and otherwise silence around me, I’d feel very lonely. It was an epitome of loneliness, and even as an adult, I would remember that clock ticking and would feel so afraid of staying alone…
TeeParticipantDear Joane,
if you had a relationship before and you stayed friends all these years, it appears to me that even if the relationship doesn’t work out at this time, your friendship wouldn’t be in trouble – if that’s his biggest fear.
However the issue I’m having is I don’t know where I stand.
What exactly is it that you’re unsure about?
TeeParticipantDear Sofioula,
you’re very welcome, I am glad I could help. It’s good to hear you’ve worked through some of your past problems, like submissiveness, in therapy and can now stand up for yourself and express your needs clearly. That’s great progress! Congratulations!
Your current biggest problem seems to be expectations – mostly parental and societal – around getting married and having children. You’ve been hearing from your parents that you should get married early, by 30 at latest, because after that no one will want you and you’ll die alone. This was drilled into your mind since the early age, and as the years progress, it’s making you more and more nervous, not just that you’ll disappoint your parents, but also that they may be right – that this grim destiny is awaiting you unless you do as they say…
The antidote to that is to tell yourself that you’re young and you’ve got time till at least 35 to have your first child, because your body is capable of that without problems. You’ve got many years in front of you to fall in love with a proper guy and start a family. It’s your life and your decisions. You don’t want to rush into marriage with someone only to see it break down a year later. You want the best for yourself – so no settling for less.
However, I am also aware that “It’s your life and your decisions” may not be that easy for you to accept, since in your childhood, it didn’t seem like that. You were denied to be sad or angry or upset. You were expected to be a sunshine girl, strong, confident and happy. You were beautiful so how could you have any problems at all – was the message your parents gave you. They denied you a part of your life experience – so it wasn’t really your life, but theirs.
Both of your parents had expectations not just about what you should do with your life, but how you should behave. You can’t be sad! You can’t be upset! You have to stay silent when something bothers you – was what your mother told you. They laughed at and brushed off your “petty” problems. This is how they claimed your life and practically imprisoned you in a persona that is unreal, that isn’t you.
Have you worked with that in therapy? Have you allowed yourself to feel and express all emotions, including the “negative” ones? Because that would be the first step to reclaiming your life, emotion by emotion, life experience by life experience…
The other problem you talked about in your previous threads is the fear of making mistakes. You said you’ve got mortal fear of making mistakes. Mostly because of your father, because he thought they can never be reversed (“I have a morbid fear of mistakes. They can never be reversed in my dad’s head and so in my head“.). When trying to make a decision, this is what it looked like for you:
Second guessing, guilt tripping, anxiety and horror. That’s why I don’t really know what I want. What if I don’t want good things?
We all make mistakes, making mistakes is human – that’s how we grow. If you’re denied the right to make mistakes, it’s almost like you’re denied the right to be human, to learn from your own mistakes. Combine that with your parents denying you to express the full spectrum of emotions, including the negative ones – and you’re in a double bind.
Because you can’t know what you want if you’re cut off from your spontaneous impulses and emotions that were unacceptable to your parents. It’s like your internal compass was disabled… With that, you’re even more terrified to make mistakes.
Does this resonate with you and your experience?
TeeParticipantDear Joane,
I meet a guy thought work about 10 years ago, we ended up being together for about 3 years. We didn’t end badly it was the right person just the wrong time.
Were you with other people during those 3 years you were together, i.e. were you his mistress and he had a wife or partner then? Or you had a partner and were having an affair with him? I am asking because you said it was the right person but the wrong time.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
try to slow down a little as you’re reading my post, try to receive and listen without immediately shooting back the answer (even if the response is just in your head).
I am not expecting anything or desiring a positive outcome.
It’s not wrong to desire things and expect a positive outcome. We all need a dose of optimism in our life, because we wouldn’t have motivation to continue when things get tough. And in general, without desiring and hoping for things, life is dry and meaningless. The nature of our soul is to hope and desire – if you take that away from yourself, you’re killing a part of yourself, you’re creating that arid wasteland and emptiness that you may be experiencing at the moment.
I mentioned the similarity between how you view the universe and how you view your parents, so that I could help you see that you’re projecting your view of your parents – ungrateful, rejecting, harsh, punishing – at the universe. If you believe you are up against such a universe, no wonder you’ve lost all hope. What can you expect from such a universe? Nothing good, even if you try your best. Only further hits and punches.
Do you see this? Do you see how you’re projecting your belief about your parents at the universe, and it makes it very hard for you to expect anything good to happen?
TeeParticipantDear lpkR09,
it’s good you’re seeing things clearly and that you want to focus on yourself and your own needs. Loving yourself and being dedicated to yourself is now your first priority. By all means talk to us whenever you feel weak and lonely and are tempted to get in touch with him again. You said he was your kryptonite, he was weakening you, because it was hard to be with someone whose love was so hard to get. It was frustrating and exhausting. And not only that, but the constant on and off, the hope and then the disappointment, is what made it even more exhausting. Remember that when you want to reach out to him, or when he perhaps gets in touch, trying something again…. Take good care of yourself, and keep in touch <3
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