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Dear Peace,
..because when i approched him and asked him if he interested now? he said he wants to focus on his study and doesnt want to be involve in anything …
Well, there is your answer about how serious he is/was about you: you asked him openly if he is still interested, he said no (giving his studies as an excuse), although in the past, he told you he wants to marry you and to let him know when you’ll be single again. He played this game of hot and cold more than once: he was cold when you were interested and available, he was hot when you were unavailable. This all shows he didn’t really want to be with you, due to intimacy issues, or attachment issues, or whatever.
i also think what if i made the right decision ,not to give him any chance when he came after 3 months of rejecting me ..
I think you made the right decision, because he has been playing this game of hot-and-cold with you for quite a while, and it’s a very bad sign. As I said, I think that even now, he is still not ready for a serious relationship, but is probably pressured to get married by his family.
i think about him sometimes and how he changed suddenly
His erratic behavior isn’t your fault, so don’t blame yourself. When he had a chance to be with you, he became very unfriendly and started ignoring you. As I said in my previous post, it could have been a defense mechanism because he was scared of getting into a relationship. He might have also been angry at you for rejecting him at first (because you were in another relationship), but if he truly loved you, he would have understood. He actually told you once he would wait for you, so his sudden change in attitude shows how immature he is. He also seems emotionally wounded too. In any case, don’t blame yourself for his strange behavior… it’s not because of you, but because of his issues.
i dont regret because i m with a wonderful person ,he cares for me ,loves me so much that i dont think anyone else could ever treat me like my husband does..he is very supportive ,listens to me when i say something…
That’s wonderful, Peace, I am happy for you. Your husband does seem like a very mature person, who loves you and cares about you a lot. It sounds like you have hit the jackpot with him! 🙂
i dont think so ,if my best friend would ever treated me like my husband does…
Yes, because your husband seems emotionally healthy, unlike your friend, who has some unresolved issues, which would make your relationship (if it ever came to it) much much harder.
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
he was interested untill i was unavalible and than same pattern again.
thats true i felt too that he was confused ..Yes, it sounds like an avoidant pattern because he wanted you while you were unavailable, and then when you were free, he never expressed love to you or asked you to get married. In fact, you said that when you broke up with your then-boyfriend and approached him, he started behaving very cold and didn’t even want to talk to you:
he was like a best friend to me and purposed me and I asked for some time to think about it(as I was already messed up in another relationship which he dint know about) ..as I sorted things out and approached he acted like stranger ,totally ignoring me even wasn’t talking to me like a friend..I-was so complete it shock and felt betrayal.
It’s like he got scared of a possibility of a relationship with you, and he became quite unfriendly, as a defense mechanism. Later, when you got into another relationship, he started getting closer again. It seems like he is afraid of an intimate relationship, either with you, or in general, with any woman.
How do you feel about him now? Do you have some regrets about him?
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
Let me recap your history with your friend, to try to understand your situation better:
You were best friends, he was interested in you 2 years ago. He would flirt, talk and tease you, but “never asked for something official or even marriage”, so you assumed he is not interested in you romantically. However, when you got involved with someone else, he then “told me how much he likes me and wants to marry and he is waiting for me and that I should let him know when it doesn’t work out“.
When that relationship didn’t work out, you let your friend know and he started flirting with you again, but again, nothing serious:
Unfortunately The relationship dint work out. Than again this flirting went on ,teasing,talking all but nothing serious..
Then you got involved in another relationship, because you were “tired of waiting for something serious from that ”best friend”:
untill after months I got confused and someone asked me out in Germany..he was looking decent and of same culture.. i Started seeing him ,because I was tired of waiting for something serious from that“ best friend“ ..
Now I think I understand better what happened here: you liked your best friend, had feelings for him, and were hoping for quite a while that he would finally propose. But he never did, although at some point (when you were in another relationship) he told you he likes you a lot and wants to marry you and will be waiting for you. However, he never followed through on that, because when you were single again, he never proceeded to ask you to marry him.
And then, in the summer of 2021, you met your now husband. Your friend reacted in his usual manner: once you were in another relationship, he expressed that he is serious about you:
As I was a bit busy with my full time job and my new guy .I was not interested in flirting with my friend… so again he told me how serious he is …
Well, this friend of yours seems to be very problematic: he was only “serious” about you when you were in another relationship. But when you were available again, he never did anything to show that his intentions are serious. He never made a serious move and offered you marriage. Which means he was never serious about you, but was fooling with you. Playing a game. If he had serious intentions – and had he truly loved you – he would have made his move.
But since you had a crush on him and would have said yes if he had proposed – I wonder if you have doubts now? That maybe you should have waited with getting married, and waited for this guy to come to his senses? When you asked the question:
why is it so that sometimes we know that we took the right decision but suddenly we start to doubt ourselves and our Decisions ??
Was it the decision about dismissing this guy’s false promises once and for all, and choosing to settle with your now husband? Are you now doubting this decision?
For what it’s worth, I believe you made a good decision by choosing your husband, and stopped hoping that your friend would finally propose. If he is serious about you now, I think it’s only because he is under pressure to get married (his mother wants to make an official proposal to your family). But otherwise, he sounds like an immature and confused person, who only shows interest in you when you aren’t available. I think it’s a very good decision that you didn’t wait for him, because I don’t think your marriage would have been a happy one!
January 5, 2022 at 10:16 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390795TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
Thank you for this solid summation! I will certainly use this when I meet with a new counselor. … I need to work on breaking this pattern I’ve been stuck in for so long.
you are very welcome. I hope you can get to the bottom of this pattern and break free from it, i.e. heal the emotional wound behind it.
Unfortunately, there is just something missing that hasn’t allowed me to stay here and try a long-term relationship
she has helped me to open up more than anyone has in some time. We’ve had some real “heart-to-hearts” these past few months, which has been therapeutic in a sense.
She too suffers from anxiety and depression and had an often dark childhood that she hasn’t been willing to share with me. Maybe that is part of the reason why we click so well?
Could be, since you share a lot of similarities. It probably feels good to open up to a woman (since you didn’t have that with your mother), so that could be an attraction point. However, this woman is inviting and accepting of you – even though she didn’t tell you all the details of her dark childhood – and this isn’t very attractive, because you crave to win over a woman that is not so inviting and not so accepting. A woman who keeps up her walls.
The child in you is still trying to win over a woman behind those walls…. your own mother.
I’d like us to eventually find a way to transition to friends, but I know that will be extremely difficult. I do care deeply for her (love perhaps?)
I can imagine you care for her, and you like the emotional intimacy you’ve shared. As I said, that’s probably an “attraction point”, and the reason you feel an affection towards her. But not the kind of love you’d need for a romantic relationship…
As for staying friends, I remember you also wanted to remain close friends with your previous girlfriend (the mother of a little boy). But she refused it, because she didn’t want you to be her emotional confidante while refusing to be her romantic partner. And I can understand her, because it’s hard to remain friends with someone you have feelings for.
Could it be that now you want to stay friends for the same reason: because emotional sharing with this woman feels good, you like it?
What comes to mind is that you have a need for emotional sharing and intimacy, which is a valid need. But perhaps you could have this need met differently, not necessarily by getting involved in a romantic relationship – I mean, for now, till you heal the emotional wound.
On the other thread, you asked anita:
Do you have any recommendations for managing anxiety? I’m relocating for the new job in the new city this weekend and my anxiety is growing.
What do you think your anxiety is related to? One suggestion that anita gave you is to find an opportunity to socialize and enjoy other people’s company. How do you feel about that? Perhaps opening up to a select number of people – those you feel you can trust (even if it’s just one person) – would meet some of your need for emotional closeness and sharing? Or that would feel too vulnerable for you?
TeeParticipantDear moonlight,
good to hear from you again, and thank you for your kind words!
I am 8 months pregnant and things are looking up for me I am so excited to meet my baby and have so much to do before the baby arrives, I’m so worried about getting sucked back into all of this drama which I extricated myself from in the last year. What do I say to my sister? Do I just ignore her or do I tell her I dont want to talk to her? I dont want to be hurt anymore by what she has to say, so I dont want to say anything that could make her hurl vitriol at me.
You are right that you want to protect your peace of mind and your mental health in the last month of pregnancy – so by all means remain firm in your decision not to meet your sister and mother/monster! Your mother doesn’t deserve it at all, she tortured you physically, mentally and emotionally throughout your childhood, and in your adulthood, she never expressed interest in you, never visited you, but only used you for doing her paperwork.
This is what she told you:
“So now that you’re married you think you’re better than the rest of us” and “Now that you married a rich guy you think you can just cut out your family like that” and “you dont deserve to have your own family because you treat your current family like crap”
She accused you of treating her and the rest of your family like crap, when in fact she was the one who treated you in most despicable ways, since the moment you were born. She accused you of cutting her out, when in fact it was her who cut you out from the rest of the family, from the time you can remember. She did a great injustice to you, and is still treating you despicably, so indeed the only thing to do is to cut all contact with her.
Unfortunately, your sister agrees with her, she is repeating her words about you cutting them out, and you treating them like crap. When you opened up to her and explained your reasons for stopping contact with your mother, your sister didn’t have any compassion or understanding for you, but accused you of being the guilty one.
I see no reason why to keep contact with your sister because she unfortunately is completely blinded by your mother’s narrative. Perhaps it suits her to have you as a black sheep in the family, so she can throw rocks at you and keep your mother’s wrath from turning on her.
I dont want to be hurt anymore by what she has to say, so I dont want to say anything that could make her hurl vitriol at me.
I understand that your sister’s words hurt you because you do love her and care for her, and you wanted a closer relationship with her. But unfortunately this is not possible, at least for now, until she is in her current mindset. Try not to take her offenses to heart – as in, don’t believe what she is accusing you of!
You are a good, kind and loving person, not a selfish and uncaring one, as your sister and mother are portraying you. You are the one who was reaching out and was kind to your mother all this time, but she was heartless and cruel to you. Now she is portraying herself as the victim, because you decided to not tolerate her abuse any more. You decided not to be a doormat, and this makes you a bad person in their eyes. Well, don’t trust that, moonlight, don’t believe their words! Know your worth and your heart – know that you are a kind, loving person – and you will be able to deal more easily with your sister’s accusations. It will be easier to stop all contact with her.
You can decide how to stop contact – whether to ignore her messages or to tell her something – but important is to stop all contact without having a sense of guilt. Don’t feel guilty about it, because it’s none of your fault. You have the right to stop contact with your abusers.
I wish you determination and strength. I think you love yourself enough to be able to do it. I am rooting for you!
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TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I hope you get at least a partial functionality in your left arm. God speed to you!
I imagine it’s hard being alone, without your family’s support, but what matters the most now is that you find yourself, slowly but surely, putting one foot before the other, living day by day… Things will get better, just keep at it!
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
No, actually it is just a simple things like try to post a video on YouTube. When thinking about I have to use a lot of time to watch tutorials and don’t have special content, then it just stopped me to execute it.
Have I understood it right that you want to post a video on youtube, but don’t have a topic (a special content) you want to talk about?
I also thought of starting a business, then when I think that I have to use a lot of time to do research, it stopped me again. I guess I’m too weak at take action immediately.
Well, starting a business is a huge topic and not easy at all. It takes a lot of research and preparation. Do you know what kind of business you’d like to start?
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
I always have plan after I quit my job, but once I quit it, I’m too lazy to execute the plan. Probably I need to deal with laziness and procrastination too.
How feasible or realistic is that plan? Earlier you said:
Here’s the repeated pattern, resigned my job to stay at home hoping for doing something bigger to change my life or the world.
If your plan is to do something big that will “change the world”, no wonder you feel overwhelmed by it. Perhaps the first thing would be to evaluate how feasible the plan is, is it just “a pie in the sky”, or it’s feasible but you need to break it down into smaller steps, make an action plan etc…
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
thank you for responding. I am sorry you’re still feeling bad, but glad that you keep keeping on, that you are attending therapy and trying to help yourself. Are you also getting physical therapy for your left arm?
For now you may feel like you are in survival mode, but with time, I hope you’ll be able to silence those negative thoughts and feelings, and feel just a smidgen of love and appreciation for yourself… and that this will be a breakthrough for you, gray clouds parting and a patch of blue sky appearing…
I am sorry I can’t help you with concrete suggestions about how to feel better, but I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and rooting for you. I wish you a better and brighter New Year, and a slow but definite progress!
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
thank you for your kind wishes. I wish you a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year as well!
The list you came up with is great – very well done! I don’t think you are missing anything – those are all great points to develop a healthy and compassionate relationship with yourself. I think they can help you a lot in situations like this:
Another example is when I was working part time at high school, I couldn’t find a joy from it, then I simply did my work and made a lot mistakes. I was so scared that my boss would find out and fire me, so I decided to quit it before he find out.
If you tell yourself that it’s okay to make a mistake, you won’t start panicking and catastrophizing, believing that you deserve to be fired. You can tell yourself that it’s human to make mistakes, and that you aren’t a bad or hopeless person for having made a mistake. You can decide to pay more attention next time, but without feeling bad about yourself.
Or, if you feel your current job isn’t the ultimate fulfillment of your dreams, you can be aware of that and aspire for something else, but you don’t need to rush and quit your job immediately. Instead, you can apply the “Slow down and don’t rush for big goals” motto. Which may mean that you stay at the same job for the time being, while you are exploring your options. You don’t quit impulsively, in a rush, but when you’ve figured out what to do next.
Yes, I feel free to be completely honest and show my vulnerable with my therapists. It just the fees is hard for me to continue with them.
I am glad you’ve got a good therapist, and I hope you won’t need to quit the sessions, because it would be great to keep the momentum going and keep working on your personal goals. Perhaps a part-time job would be an option? It doesn’t have to be a dream job, but just something temporary, that helps you pay for the therapist and allows you enough free time to explore your passions and interests, i.e. your future career options. How does that sound?
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TeeParticipantDear anita,
thanks a lot, happy New Year to you too! Happy New Year, ginn!
TeeParticipantDear Canadian Eagle,
in my experience, we can only let go if we have forgiven ourselves and the other person, and learned the lesson from the failed relationship. How do you feel about your past relationships? How do you feel about yourself, i.e. the other person? If you’d like to share some more, you are welcome…
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
When I read both of yours reply, I cried so hard. It felt like after a long time, someone finally understood me. Thank you for giving me a different perspective on this issue.
I am really glad you felt seen and understood, and that this conversation helps you see things in a different light.
I’m sorry to hear you had the same experience and I hope you’ve gone out from it.
Yes, it’s been a while that I am not too bothered by my mother’s criticism. I used to be very sensitive and tried to make her happy and pleased with me, but this was an impossible mission, so I gave up. I have much more self-esteem now and feel better about myself…
This also made me never seek help from others; I always tried my best to do everything on my own.
Right, because you thought asking for help means weakness…
I think that’s why I always choose to run and hide myself when someone criticizes me, and if someone criticizes me, it triggers a panic attack. Every time I meet anyone or a stranger, I have to be constantly on guard in case others will criticize me.
Being criticized probably just deepens your sense of “not being good enough” and feeling unworthy. To make things worse, you feel you have no one to turn to for support and consolation (since your father taught you that showing weakness is a failure), and this probably makes you even more anxious, leading to a panic attack. If you had a close friend whom you can share your fears and insecurities with, it would be easier… but since you don’t, it makes things more difficult. You feel like you have to sort it out on your own, and… it makes you panic. At least this seems like a plausible explanation to me.
I’m too afraid to meet my friends, my former colleagues, because I thought I’m too bad in everything.
I know the feeling. I too had a similar sense of shame, feeling inadequate, worse than others… and the fear that I’d be judged.
Yes, I did get in touch with the gentle voice, after I learn to stop thinking negative thoughts. There’s a small small voice telling me I’m good enough, is okay to fear or fail. I’m glad that it got some improvement.
That’s great! Just keep connecting to that voice as much as you can. Whenever you hear your inner critic getting loud with accusations, remind yourself that what it’s saying isn’t true, and that you are good enough, and that it’s okay to fail. And that vulnerability is an asset, not an obstacle.
I also think it would be important to have someone non-judgmental, whom you can confide in and be honest about your fears and insecurities. Your therapist can be such a person for you… do you feel free to be completely honest and vulnerable with your therapist?
December 31, 2021 at 2:46 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390539TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
My mother is still quite reserved. I did some Christmas shopping with my father when I was home, and he told me that my mom is typically stressed and sad during the holidays. Likely due to her poor relationship with her parents. To your point, I certainly feel that my mother’s detachment and cool demeanor (at times) led me to believe that I’m not good enough for another.
Yes, because if the child cannot make their mother happy, if she is often sad and depressed in spite of all the love the child is showering her with – then the child concludes that something is wrong with them. That the problem is in them, not in their mother.
One consequence of that is that you don’t feel good enough. You’ve expressed that notion many times before here.
Another consequence of having had emotional trauma is that as adults, we are attracted to people who remind us the parent who hurt is. We hope that this time around, it will be different, and that we will finally get the love we crave for. That’s all unconscious, we aren’t aware of those patterns, but still, the craving for a certain type of person is there.
You started this thread pining for your work colleague, who I believe is a person who reminds you of your mother. You often spoke about her having her walls up and not letting you see her true self. This is what you wrote about her:
She was safe and so welcoming…but only to a point. She would often text and call, and when I was with her, I did not feel like I was not wanted there. Yet, there was a distance between us. Her own “walls” she kept up in this brief relationship. There is much I did not know about her, and much that I was not permitted to know about her.
And then you’ve realized that you yourself used to do the same thing to your previous girlfriends – erecting walls and not letting them near you:
I think what is frustrating is that I see in her what I used to do in relationships: Fearful of judgement or disappointment, I was unwilling to let my partner in by maintaining or fortifying the walls, so that they never really knew the “real me.” I can see that reflect in her so clearly now. She enjoys her time with me, cares for me, and is attracted to me; however, due to her perceived flaws or fears, she keeps me at a distance, so she protects herself and controls the relationship. This, based on my experience, makes the other person anxious and walking the tightrope to either a deeper relationship or falling and being hurt.
You are now doing the same thing to your current girlfriend – you’re keeping her out and withdrawing. Since she is available and open to you, since she isn’t erecting walls towards you – you aren’t interested. Were she rejecting and pushing you away, you would be interested, I am almost sure about that.
You see the pattern? Those who don’t want you, you crave for. Those who do want you, you don’t want.
I believe this is all caused by your emotional trauma with your cold and distant mother. I don’t think you’d need to explore further what exactly happened in your childhood (by means of hypnotherapy), since I believe this should be enough to work on in therapy.
I think the wound you’ve experienced is emotional neglect: you mother not showing enough love, appreciation and interest in you, since she was suffering from the consequences of her own childhood wounds. She wasn’t emotionally available to you, and it always felt as if there is a wall around her heart, that you couldn’t get in. She didn’t show you her true self, and she probably wasn’t interested in your true self either.
And so now you are craving to be truly seen by a specific type of woman: a type who is emotionally guarded and unwilling to let you inside of her walls. You want to see her and be seen by her, to share your deepest self with her. But she refuses. That’s what happened with your colleague.
Your current girlfriend is open and receptive, she would like to share her deepest self with you, but that’s not attractive to you.
It’s been a largely lonely road for me thus far and I do not want to end up alone in life.
I understand, and I hope you too can see why it has been lonely… because of this pattern you are stuck in. You’d need to heal the wound of emotional neglect, inflicted by your mother, if you want to maintain a healthy relationship, where both parties are equally keen on each other, and there is no unrequited love.
December 30, 2021 at 3:32 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390512TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
I was able to fly home for the week before Christmas to see my parents, sister, and daughter. It was a busy week but a pleasant one. I’m moving here in about a week and a half, so I’m been prepping.
I think I’ve misunderstood you in my previous post. Are you actually moving to your parents’ place till the time you’ll be required to return to the office?
You say your time with you family was a pleasant one. That’s nice. How are you feeling around your mother? Is she still emotionally reserved?
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