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TeeParticipantDear canary,
how have you been doing? I’ve come across a youtube video that talks about something similar that you’re experiencing – afraid to show your quirky side. It’s by Barbara Heffernan, and it’s called “Conquer your critical inner voice”. The part relevant for you starts at 3:55.
Since you’ve been watching Therapy in a Nutshell, I believe Barbara Heffernan’s videos might help you too. I like them a lot.
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TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
I don’t really recall when it started but it may go back to when my father abandoned us during a cold winter, taking with him things such as my clothes, toys, my mother’s stuff.
This is rather heart-breaking and very very unfair. First, your father cheating on your mother, and then leaving you without even the basic necessities in the cold winter.
When I saw myself, my friends or my mother being subjected to treatment I considered unjust, it made me feel pretty bad.
And you’ve experienced such a treatment quite a lot while growing up. You said you’ve experienced humiliation, slander by your father’s family and his new woman, and even a murder attempt (“his side of the family plus his new woman always tried to hurt and slander us in one way or another, going as far as trying to kill my mother and me“).
You have also shared that your “best friend” is now slandering you (my “friend” is now slandering me to people involved in my project). During your conflict over your ex, you said he even wished you were dead (“At a point, he even wished that I died“). Do you see the commonalities here: slander, humiliation and even the feeling that someone wants you dead?
Also, you mentioned that your livelihood might be in jeopardy, and that it has been before too. So that too is similar to your childhood situation, where you lived in poverty and starvation.
So for me, I cannot not notice the similarities to your childhood. It’s like your childhood experience being repeated again. Have you thought about it before?
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
In this case it would be towards my family yes. It is a general feeling though, seeing somebody treated unjustly does make that strong feeling arise in me.
And do you remember when you first experienced this feeling of unfairness in your life?
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
I’d like to revisit something you said about this whole situation being unfair:
The strong negative feelings I do feel are deep disappointment and a feeling of “unfairness” (and not necessarily towards me).
To whom is it unfair? Is it towards your family, specially your mother?
Because earlier you said that your family counted on your ex-girlfriend’s help and was blindsided by her plans:
Like I said already, I have never asked about her finances or for any of this, she herself pushed it strongly. I kept refusing this “help” for quite some time until she finally made me cave in with that projected honesty, then me and my family got involved and blindsided by her “plans”.
So perhaps you’re feeling a sense of unfairness because of what her turning against you will do to your family?
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TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
About my childhood and possible traumas. When I remember all those experiences (and I do have a very good and vivid memory), I don’t feel strongly about any of it and it certainly doesn’t shake me. I’m not sure if there’s any underlying trauma there to be honest.
The best way to know if there is trauma is how functional you are in your life, how capable you feel of creating a good life for yourself, how able you are for healthy relationships. Only you know the answers to those questions. What transpired about your relationship with your “best friend” was that it was dysfunctional, because you allowed yourself to be abused. The lack of a healthy impulse to protect oneself and set boundaries could indicate a childhood trauma, for example.
Yes, I’ve got evidence and arguments to prove him wrong, likewise his own reputation is pretty bad so I’m not too worried about people buying into it but sadly there’s always a chance with those things, especially when one’s deepest concerns are targeted.
I do hope that you can prove your innocence, so that your livelihood isn’t endangered. And that you stop participating in projects with him. Because it already happened that he endangered your livelihood with his “reckless behavior” on a common project.
September 16, 2021 at 1:58 am in reply to: Stuck in limbo, fear or loneliness, fear of hurting her #386362
TeeParticipantDear Dave,
I am yes, definitely feeling the pressure to not mess things up next time, but I think I am also feeling a sense of calm, that I definitely know what I want and need from a relationship, and will be able to choose carefully before becoming too involved, and also to be honest with people I date about this.
This is great that you know what you want from a relationship, and will be able to choose wiser, not so much from your wound but more from a sense of wholeness and knowing yourself.
Thanks for the advice, I have joined two meetup groups in my area and have planned to go to two events in the next few weeks
Good for you, I hope you have a good time!
I’m a little nervous about telling my friends about these, as I’m not sure if they would judge, but then again, they are all in couples, so it would be hard to understand my position right now.
Maybe you don’t need to tell your friends, if you feel they’d judge you. Tell them only afterwards, if things work out fine.
Wishing a speedy recovery to your father!
TeeParticipantUpdate: my “friend” is now slandering me to people involved in my project (which is important for my livehood) in an attempt to sabotage it by using bits of confidential information he knew, twisting it completely to frame me for horrible deeds.
I am sorry about that. Is he trying to accuse you for some sort of fraud or financial manipulation? Can you defend yourself and prove that he is lying?
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
He wasn’t the only one. There were two more I’ve known for a longer time and was closer to, but one died and the other ended up drifting away, marrying and going on with her life. There’s another also whom I’m pretty close to and we talk often.
OK, so I guess those were the friends that your “best friend” (M) was jealous at… You now have one online friend whom you talk often, the others are gone from your life. How is it with your offline relationships, if you don’t mind sharing?
Hate is somehow an alien feeling to me. I don’t know how exactly it feels to hate and I don’t hold grudges. The strong negative feelings I do feel are deep disappointment and a feeling of “unfairness” (and not necessarily towards me).
Disappointment is kind of a rationalization, but behind it can be both sadness and anger. A sense of unfairness is similar – both anger and sadness can be underneath. I told you already that you seem a bit detached from your emotions. It’s quite possible that those feelings (stemming from your childhood) would be too much to bear, and you protect yourself by suppressing them, not allowing yourself to feel them. I also believe that unless you can attend therapy, it’s better not to start digging too much into those feelings, because they might indeed overwhelm you.
You said in your first post:
At the start we helped each other a great deal emotionally, unraveled each other’s issues, helped each other heal and bloom, become confident and full of life.
How much did you talk to her about your past and the trauma you’ve experienced? Do you feel confident at present in yourself and your abilities to create a better life for yourself?
Because it seems to me you’d need to do some more healing and processing before you can get out of your present hardships and start anew, confident and full of life.
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
It was exclusively online. … We’ve had great times together too.
I was a little surprised to learn that your best friend is someone you only know online. But I guess it’s no surprise, considering your history of moving a lot, not being able to grow roots anywhere, and also that your real life was painful (it was a good way to escape the pain of daily life), and you probably had no close connections.
I still remember vividly every person I was involved with somewhat deeply from those times and all of them hold a special place in my heart, even though we haven’t had any contact in well over a decade and I wouldn’t even know how to contact them anymore.
So you stayed in touch with this particular “friend” for well over a decade, while you lost touch with your other internet friends. Am I understanding this right?
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
thank you for sharing about your childhood. It hasn’t been easy for you, you were exposed to multiple stressors: frequent moving, poverty and starvation, your father betraying your mother and leaving when you were just a toddler, humiliation and abuse by your father’s family, including their attempt to kill you and your mother (?!) It was a very harsh childhood, and I am sorry you had to go through all that.
I basically spent them growing up online, which to me was a good way to escape the pain of daily life, make actual long-term friendships and so on.
Have you met your former friend also online, or you knew him in person?
What comes to mind is that loyalty might be important to you because your father wasn’t loyal to either you or your mother, and you didn’t want to be like him. And constantly moving didn’t allow you to form deep bonds with people, so you craved for loyal, long-term friendships, for people who would be there for you through thick and thin and wouldn’t abandon you. And so you ended up with your former friend, who truly was “loyal”, but to the point of possessing you and not letting you breathe. So his loyalty was distorted – but at least he never abandoned you… and you appreciated it.
What do you think? Would you say this is true?
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
I do have my flaws but I don’t see how anything could possibly validate such cruel and harmful behavior towards me.
Her own emotional wounds led her to behave like that. Maybe it’s true for him as well. This doesn’t justify their behavior but you can see them as “troubled” and sort of forgive them, but at the same time protect yourself. Cut contact. Set boundaries. Don’t let yourself be abused. Not even for lofty things like loyalty. You don’t need to hate them, and yet, you can choose not to be in a relationship with either of them, because they don’t seem to be capable of a healthy relationship.
I’ll need to ponder on this for sure.
It’s most probably related to your childhood. Was there anyone in your childhood who reminds you of either of them? You don’t need to answer this, but this is where I’d be looking for answers…
TeeParticipant* correction: not BDP but BPD – borderline personality disorder
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
she was pretty unfair when it comes to her expectations while knowing my hardships (and not doing much if anything about those even though she could have easily) and consuming most of my free time.
Things such as expecting me to both work on multiple things at once while giving her my full attention and most of my day as she was well aware that I was barely getting a few hours of sleep a day for months and months.
So she was quite similar to your “friend” – monopolizing your time, demanding your constant attention and “being dissatisfied no matter how hard you tried or how much you gave”. Exactly like him. I think that’s something worth noting, because I don’t think it’s by chance that you get involved with such people.
With neither of them you noticed you were abused: you said his behavior was “troublesome” but you yourself didn’t feel abused. With her too, in the beginning you said that she suddenly flipped from being very much in love to hating you, when in reality, the signs of trouble were noticeable already before – only you didn’t want to see them because you were “madly in love”. If you really want to heal from this experience, you’d need to look what is it in you that makes you susceptible (and loyal) to such people.
Perhaps she just saw a new victim to use in the nearby future. But also, she does indeed want to be liked by people and gets upset when they don’t accept and validate her. I’ve seen that a lot. She would also often get into the conflicts of others and try to “help”, then get depressed because those people refused her. When it comes to “friend”, she was constantly saying things like “I’m the person who has shown him more good will and care that anybody ever but he keeps hurting me”.
I was her only close friend by the way.I don’t think she is a predator who was looking for a new victim in him. Rather, she is very insecure, having very little self-love and self-esteem, and also very conflicted. You confirmed that she wants to be validated by people. She wants be seen as “the person who shows more good will and care than anybody else”. In a desperate attempt to be liked by others, she even meddles into their affairs, trying to “help”, and then gets disappointed when they don’t appreciate her meddling.
When all of this went down and I finally voiced that I felt a lack of support and care from her in multiple places, she retalliated with “I can’t do everything for you” and blamed it all on me. Even though she didn’t really do anything to improve my situation.
Another similar trait to your “friend” is that she lacks self-awareness and self-criticism. It’s always other people’s fault, never hers. She saw herself as your victim, as the abused one – exactly like your “friend” saw himself. In their mind, you were the boogeyman, him and her were the victims.
She could be actually suffering from BDP because I know a person with similar traits, which I believe are BDP, although undiagnosed because she’d never agree to go to therapy. But the extremes of behavior, meddling in other people’s affairs, having a distorted sense of reality, alienating friends, always playing the victim… it’s all there. A very difficult person to live with, and she has been actually living alone for more than 30 years now.
Anyway, if I were you, I wouldn’t hope for a reconciliation with your ex. Instead I’d work on myself to prevent to be sucked into a similar relationship in the future…
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
the following is what I wrote before seeing your latest post, about her flaunting her wealth:
She did let me down multiple times and even didn’t do things she said she wants to and will.
It could be that she even sabotaged herself in some things. There are people who promise a lot and never deliver. And they promise too much because they want to be liked by others. When they don’t keep their word, people get disappointed in them. That’s self-sabotage because they get the opposite effect of what they originally wanted: to be liked.
I don’t know if that’s the case with her, and what her motives were, but she might be someone who wants to be liked by everyone? In the beginning she might have been making all those promises, perhaps even to be liked by your family, and then she didn’t deliver on them – either because she self-sabotaged, or because she already started having doubts about you and started to withdraw.
Things such as expecting me to both work on multiple things at once while giving her my full attention and most of my day as she was well aware that I was barely getting a few hours of sleep a day for months and months.
That’s quite insensitive and selfish of her. How did you react to those requests?
Or blaming me for not solving the conflict between her and my “friend” in a proper way and for putting her through it even though she herself constantly tried to interact with him while he wanted nothing to do with her, I told her to stop and she herself said it’s hurting her and she should stop.
Perhaps her need to be liked by everyone is what actually motivated her to reach out to him – because she wanted him to like her?
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And now addition after having read your latest post: she might have a subtle belief that people only like her for her wealth, but still she uses it to attract them and make herself more appealing. But also there is a deep conflict in her that they don’t like her for her “true self”, and so after a while she gets disappointed in the relationship and starts withdrawing her love, i.e. her money. It can all be her projection – not reality – that you don’t love her truly but are only after her money. If someone is super uncertain of themselves, they can invent an alternate reality.
TeeParticipantDear Tineoidea,
She kept pushing it though, and ultimately I decided to do a leap of faith and accept her in my life fully as it all seemed so genuine. She got heavily involved in my and my family’s life, making plans and promises of a life together and of helping my family.
I see. So she made promises to you (I assume to help solve your convoluted legal and economic situation?), but then backed off when she got together with your former friend. But it seems she started betraying you, i.e. going back on her word, already earlier, when she saw your hardships and didn’t do anything to help you, even if she could. So signs of betrayal or a certain withdrawal were there already before she met your “friend”, they just escalated with him. Would you say that’s true?
And also, you said she was making unreasonable demands on you, but you were too much in love to notice it. Could you give one example of such an unreasonable demand?
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