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Thomas168ParticipantWisdom is not about just saying the truth. Wisdom is about handling a situation with compassion.
So a kind word here or there isn’t about compounding a person’s suffering.
It is about reaching the spirit of the person and bringing them love.
To let them know that they are not alone. That there is someone who wants to help.
Strength is not what you do when you have the power to hurt someone.
It is about choosing to use that strength to help them instead.But what do I know, after all, according to James, I am just a person who can’t handle the truth, life wise and spiritual wise.
Wow, how is that for wisdom and compassion??
Thomas168ParticipantHey Roberta,
Thanks. Needed someone to call me a butt head. LOL. Yeah, i know Ann hasn’t been back. And she probably found her answer already. I just like rattling James cage and see what shakes out. He talks like a wiseman but shows no compassion. Talks and talks then needs to clarify his answers. Then goes to insults like,
- “And you are one of the person that can not handle the truth, life wise and spiritual wise.”
Oooh, strike me in my heart, … arrggh. I am hurt. I am going to cry my eyes out. LOL.Love is all conditional. What makes it love is the caring and the working together to maintain a relationship. It isn’t,
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“Love is whatever happens still being with that person and supporting no matter what.”
That is wishful thinking. But what do I know after all I am just a person who can’t handle the truth, life wise and spiritual wise.
Sorry, I am being difficult. I apologize for being difficult to get along with. But, I do promise to stay out of James threads.
Thomas168ParticipantDear James,
So, love is whatever happens still being with that person and support no matter what?
If that person is abusive then love is still being with that person? No matter what?
Ridiculous. It matters … what.Love is when two people are caring and work together to maintain a relationship.
Your advice is to split/break up.
You know exactly what her situation is?
Rather than having compassion and lending a ear.
To listen and give an encouraging word.
You give advice of which you have no idea what that would do??Where is your compassion? What wisdom do you hold?
No matter if you speak the truth.
It doesn’t give you the right to hurt others with blunt words.
Thomas168ParticipantLiked, “You made me smile”.
When Bodhidharma went to China, the monks there were expecting a lecture on Buddhism. What they got was the lesson of doing. Bodhidharma sat inside a cave for nine years.I am not suggesting to sit in a cave for that long. Just that Zen Buddhism isn’t so much about words rather it is about practicing. Dogen said that Shikantaza and the enlightened mind is one and the same. (Of course there are those who warn against doing Shikantaza wrong). Sorry, got carried away.
So, has your child gone to school or daycare? It is a rough time. My daughter hated it. We would sit in front of the daycare place and talk. She told me she didn’t want to go. She just wanted to stay home with me. Well, both parents worked. I just told her not to worry. Things will change in the future. It is tough to see your grumpy kid go to daycare. Things did get a little better. Preschool was better. She liked the teacher. Sorry got carried away again.
Spend way too much time thinking about the past.
Thomas168ParticipantHey Roberta,
I hope you find what you need at the time when you need it. Good luck.
Thomas168ParticipantRelationships aren’t about a perfect match. Relationships are hard work.
But, the reward is having someone you love and loving you.
Of course, there are those who should not stay a couple and there are those who will stay together forever.
What is the deciding factors? I don’t know.
That is dependent upon the couple.To give outright advice that a couple should break up??
Makes me wonder whose shoulders one stand upon??
Thomas168ParticipantHello Alessa,
The story of the two monks does say that we as people should be helpful to others in need. But, for me, it was more profound that the second monk carried the woman for longer than the first monk. Of course he didn’t physically carry her. So, the carry is in the mind. So, the mind is a factor of our lives. Something one say to me about all that one is can be summed up as everything one has thought. We live our lives in our heads. And so the state of mind is our life. Much like the old saying, looking at life with rose colored glasses. If one goes around with a smile on one’s face then the world is different than if one goes around with a frown on one’s face. It affects the quality of life.
Before a Buddha passed away, he told the monks that they didn’t have to follow the lesser rules all the time because they were not as serious. But the monks decided to follow them anyway out of respect for his teachings. So, the monks ignored the last words of the Buddha? So the monks respected the teachings but not the teacher? It just goes to show that there are many ways to look at things. The Buddha was trying to show how to look at the truth of the world. Wisdom is seeing the truth and then doing what is needed. There is no enlightenment. Only enlightened actions.
Sorry, I guess I was being difficult again.
Thomas168ParticipantI know I am going to say something stupid so just take this with a huge rock of salt.
There is a joke I heard where a woman is complaining to her therapist about her husband getting angry.
She is afraid that her husband might explode. So, the therapist says that anytime he begins to get angry
to put some water in her mouth and swish it around. Keep doing that until he calms down.
After a week of doing this, she returns to the therapist and says that little trick is working.
And ask how does swishing water in her mouth calms her husband down. The therapist says that if
she doesn’t say anything then there isn’t anything for him to get upset about.Well, that might have nothing to do with your situation.
But, if each person is making notes about what the other did wrong.
This is no way to have a relationship. Making your feelings depend upon how the other reacts.
It is a recipe for manipulations and calculations and just plain turmoil.
And it won’t get better as each thinks about what the other has done.
And then it begins to fester.I am sorry. I am not giving advice. I wouldn’t know what is the best way to go.
Lately, I just ask myself what is important to me
And then I live for that.
Thomas168ParticipantThis reply has been reported for inappropriate content.
Everyone can call any post into question by using the report link at the top of each post. So, it seems that everyone is the moderator. The only thing I do not like it that there is no way to correct a post once it is submitted. Sometimes I feel like an intruder when I read some of these posts. But, sometimes I will add my two cents anyway.
Tiny Buddha is a community of people who have a capacity for compassion. The people with the most compassion seem to be those who have gone thru the most trauma. I could be wrong but that is what I have observed. Cause they know what the suffering means, they wish to help others. My take is that if there is something useful to say then say it. I could be wrong about that. Using the name of Buddha, I would guess that there is some wisdom and compassion that is spread thru this community.
Trained professional in the mental health field? Is experience enough to help? I don’t know. But, I would dare to say that many people come here and got some help one way or another. No one is forced to take any advice from anyone. But, sometimes a kind voice and and/or ear helps. Should some people look for professional help. I guess. I don’t really know.
Thomas168ParticipantThat is fantastic to find peace within oneself while doing tasks that usually bores one. I personally like routines. Wake up in the morning and make my wife breakfast. When my kid wakes up then make her breakfast. She never knows what she wants but it is usually not what I make her. So sometimes I have two breakfasts and she doesn’t want to eat. Then feed the chickens. Don’t know how they stand the cold. I bring feed and a new tub of water. The water is frozen overnight. Sometimes the chickens will eat my kids breakfast so I don’t have to. They love oatmeal.
Sorry off topic again. My mind drifts which makes the meditation a bit of a work out. A friend calls that creeping vines. But, I am told to just sit and watch the thoughts like cars going past my porch. Patience to just sit and not think and be aware. Don’t know why that is easy but to listen to another person talk on and on makes me itchy pants. Guess, got to develop some interest in it first. Maybe that is the key to living a good life? Having enough interest in it to live it well??
Thomas168ParticipantMore than 49 minutes on patience as opening instead of enduring. Lost me in the first few minutes. Will try again when I might be more receptive. 49 minutes, … of that soft monotone voice.
Thomas168ParticipantAlessa said, “And yes, I have been worrying about the future with my child. He will start to make his own way in the world and I won’t be able to protect him. He will go through suffering. As a parent, this doesn’t sit right with me. I am used to suffering. I would not want him to suffer. Maybe this comes from a deep seated wish to erase the suffering I experienced as a child. I don’t want him to suffer as I did. I hope that he suffers much less. No child deserves suffering. 🩵”
Yes he will go thru suffering. But life isn’t just suffering. There is joy, hope, happiness, pleasure. Would you try to protect him from him from life? I understand the need and the feeling to want to help your child. And if the child had to suffer that you would gladly take on that suffering if it would help him. If something bad happened then you would blame yourself. I know what it means to have a child and to want to prevent their suffering. Life happens. And we can only just do the best we can with what we have. Life brings its own lessons to be learned whether it is thru happiness or suffering. You can only be there when he calls and help him when you see you can. And there will be times when … Sorry, lost track of what I was saying. I just had a Senior moment. Where was I ? Never mind. Maybe I should erase this? Ah fudge. Sorry.
Thomas168ParticipantHi Alessa,
Practice Zen Buddhism?? I don’t believe I practice Zen Buddhism. I don’t go to the church or temple or gatherings of Zen Buddhist. I have an interest and read much about it. I do sit in meditation everyday. And, I have encountered many who do follow Zen Buddhism or something about Buddha or Tao (not really sure what that is). Some believe in God and some do not. The thing I found about Zen Buddhism is that one doesn’t have to follow or believe. Can try to find the truth for oneself.
Sorry, I do not have much wisdom to share. Anything I have said can be found in books about Zen Buddhism. I especially love stories that present teachings. Like the story of the two monk who came upon a woman trying to cross a small stream. The first monk picked her up and carried her over to the other side. Put her down and bowed. Later the second monk tried to remind the first monk that they were not suppose to touch women. The first monk says he put the woman down, back at the small stream and asked why does the second monk still carries her. I won’t give out the lesson to be learned as the journey to the answer is just as important as the answer.
I am sorry if my push pull against James has upset anyone. It was not my intent. I did want to rattle the cage and see what comes out. Holding it to the light, the picture comes out. I have my opinion of him. And will do my best to stay out of his threads. This forum doesn’t have an enlightened teacher. So James playing the wise man, well I guess it is what it is. It might help some. For me, I think I would like to dance to a different tune. Just being different or is it difficult??
Roberta said, “Anyway wishing you & your green fingered wife goodnight”
Thank you and good nite. I hope only my wife’s thumb is green. LOL.
Thomas168ParticipantThanks for the greeting. Doubting Thomas, … struck a chord. You sound like you have a life well lived, living. Skeletons? Didn’t Jesus say who has not sinned can throw the first stone? Never knew why Jesus didn’t throw the first stone? Was he a sinner too? Sorry, off topic. My mind tends to drift. So, living a good life. Everyday enough to eat. Family and friends to talk to.
Family, that is great. It is one of the things in life that I truly appreciate. Oh, how relationships change with time? First care taker then teacher and guardian. Later distant relative. Then dependent on those once taken care of. Lucky for me, I can still take care of myself for now.
I try not to think about killing germs or bacteria. As I do prefer to eat rather than be eaten. That is why Cancer scares me. It has taken a relative and an old friend. Hmmm, back to something less morbid please. Do you garden? My wife loves it. Food for the summer months. Friends who also garden. Sharing seeds. Ideas. In the summer mornings she stands at the window and looks out at her garden. There is a sense of peace there in her.
Well, it has been nice talking with you.
Thomas168ParticipantHey Alesa,
What is complete realised truth? Good question.
Having a realization or a Kensho experience doesn’t make one enlightened.
It is more like what some call “stream entry”. It is a glimpse of what is possible.
So a person can go thru all the lessons and have such an experience.
It doesn’t mean the transition is complete.
It is only a beginning. It takes much more practice to learn the whole truth.
Much like shining a flashlight into a very dark hole.
One sees spots and conditions which are available to one at the moment.
But, it isn’t the complete picture.In some Buddhist traditions, it may take a few lifetimes to gain enlightenment.
In Zen, one is already enlightened. It only takes one to realize this truth.
So enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.
If you have a good teacher then the teacher would know how to point out what in your practice is right.
Point you closer and closer to reaching the enlightened mind. To realize emptiness, stillness.
One sees the truth that all things are empty. Form is empty. The practice deepens and brings insight with it.
One sees the reality as it is and not deluded by our mind and thoughts.
The only measure of realizing the truth of our nature is the awakened mind.I don’t worry about reaching for something I have no need for. It holds no value for me.
I can not share it. I can not trade it. If asked then I can not even show it.
So the truth is,…
Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.Oh, I am sorry if I sound like a broken record.
I also do not want to sound like I am preaching.
I have no wise words to spread.
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