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September 4, 2023 at 11:36 am #421807PeaceParticipant
Dear Anita,
you are welcome:)
After all the choas in 2022 ,we had planned, my husband and I decided to approach my family after I had a stable job or completed my studies. We intended to wait for about 1-1.5 years for this. Fortunately, things went according to our plan. Recently, I extended my visa based on my internship and studies without needing any financial assistance from anyone, not even my husband. He’s a permanent resident of Germany and will soon become a citizen, having met all the requirements. We were patient in taking this step. I didn’t want to register our marriage here until we this year after a proper desi wedding, for my personal satisfaction, I didn’t want to rely on a dependent visa; I wanted to achieve something on my own.
Now, here’s what happened: My sister, for whom I helped with the bribe and who wanted my help with buying a house or apartment, asked me about my husband and if she was invited to my brother’s wedding. I suggested she invite his family too. She invited her own family, perhaps because I had been sending a lot of money home, and they wanted to make me happy, but I’m not entirely sure.
At the wedding, her mom and sister came, and we met. However, a few weeks later, another sister started making indirect racist comments about her. Maybe her intention was to make me feel bad about my choice of husband, and these comments hurt me and left me confused.
Later, the same sister asked me to reconsider my decision. She cited an example of another sister who had married into a family where one of the parents had married someone from the same ethnic background as my husband’s (African ancestry). She claimed that this family had faced problems, including domestic violence, and she warned me to be cautious, stating that the race was inferior and that my sister had faced violence because her husband had some connection to that race. These comments were very racist and offensive.
i asked my mother in law to talk to my for my marriage because we have waited enough .and i felt i now have a stable position here.i told my sister that my mother in law will contact you regarding marriage .
Sure, let’s break it down:
My mother-in-law came to discuss our wedding plans, and during the conversation, she couldn’t agree to give the amount of gold that my family expected. In our family, giving gold is a common tradition for weddings. My family didn’t like that she tried to negotiate about the gold, which was worth 4500 euros. They politely told her they needed to discuss it and would let her know later.
The next day, my sister messaged me and called these people “cheap” because they didn’t agree to provide the gold and dresses we had asked for. My older sister also had some negative things to say, like people would make fun of us. They made unkind remarks about our race and suggested that after marriage, my husband wouldn’t support me financially. They even said all men were the same and tried to convince me that my husband would change after we got married. They also said his mother was clever and would make my life difficult. They mentioned that he had six sisters who would create problems for me. They basically wanted me to believe that my husband’s family was terrible, cheap, and strict about money, and they said lots of things to worry me. They also suggested that my mother-in-law didn’t want to share her son and wouldn’t agree to these demands.
My husband and I spoke to my mother-in-law about this, and she explained that negotiating before a wedding was normal. She said she had no issue with their demands because my husband would be the one handling the expenses, and if he was okay with it, there was no problem.
I shared this with my sister, but then she started a new issue, claiming that my mother-in-law insulted her. When I didn’t buy into that, she said my mother-in-law insulted me and made fun of my height. She also said my mother-in-law talked to my sister and didn’t want me to marry her son. She painted a negative picture of my mother-in-law, saying she was terrible and clever, among other things.
I refused to be manipulated because I talked to my husband’s family directly, and I had even met my mother-in-law when she visited Germany for three months this year.
When my family realized their demands might be met, my MIL tried to contact my sister through voice messages because she didn’t answer her calls. When that didn’t work, they resorted to emotional manipulation, claiming that my mother-in-law’s conversation had almost caused my brother a stroke.
They said they were stressed and couldn’t sleep, and they threatened that if I married this guy, my brother would leave our home because he thought these people were not good. They even talked about the possibility of a fight happening in front of our house back home if my marriage went wrong. One of my sisters, who had already asked me for money and whom I paid a bribe for, said she would move away from our area because she couldn’t handle my mother-in-law’s behavior.
This same sister spoke harshly to me, saying they hadn’t sent me abroad to find a husband, and I had no right to choose my spouse. They believed it was up to them to decide if they liked my husband’s family or not. They also falsely claimed that my husband’s family had constant fights, which turned out to be untrue.
A week later, during my exams, they caused a lot of drama. They told me to complete my education and come back, saying they would take care of me. But their tone was aggressive, especially considering that just a week before, the same sister had asked me for 1000 euros in a much calmer manner, claiming she needed money.
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September 4, 2023 at 12:22 pm #421810PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
I eventually took your advice and cut off contact with my family. However, it took me a while to put your advice into action after going through many lessons with them and finally deciding to move on.
My family united against the idea of my marriage because it didn’t serve their interests. Despite all the help and financial support I provided, my eldest sister criticized my husband’s family indirectly through voice messages, portraying them as terrible people. (His mother visited my house five times over two years, but it was only in the fifth or sixth meeting that they suddenly became the worst people on earth.) She lied, played the victim, and then tried to make me feel guilty by saying she had sacrificed so much to send me abroad, leaving me to decide what I wanted to do next.
In their eyes, making them proud meant becoming their slave because they wanted to control my decisions. I lost trust and felt betrayed and used during that time. I can’t explain how difficult it was for me to go through my exams while dealing with this drama and chaos. My husband was my pillar of support, motivating me and being there for me. I finally received results for three of my papers, which I cleared with his help, and I’m still waiting for the results of the remaining one.
It took me some time to recognize their manipulative behavior and how poorly they treated people, even those who were sincere to them. My promise to help my sister buy a house was met with her calling me “selfish.” This was surprising because they had made me believe for the past two years that they were convinced I was letting my husband suffer for their sake, even though he’s a great person who has always been there for me and never asked for a single penny or treated me as worthless. Now, I see them as the selfish ones.
My brother, whose wedding I contributed to and who expects me to cover his house bills along with my mom’s expenses, sent me a voice message telling me to focus on my “target” – which they sent me. Their target was for me to get an education and obtain German nationality so that no one could claim I got my documents because of my husband. It was shocking because no one seemed to consider me as an individual or how I managed to live in Germany for seven years. What seemed most important to them was their “target,” my papers, and my role as an ATM machine.
Now, I’m questioning whether their opposition to my marriage is solely based on caste. It seems to go beyond that.
Did they send me abroad with the hope that I’d have a better life for myself? Apparently, I’m worthless to them, and my wants and needs don’t matter.
So, why did they invest money in a person they don’t respect and see as worthless in the first place?
All my sisters are married, and so is my brother, but they are all ready to accept financial help.
September 4, 2023 at 1:12 pm #421812anitaParticipantDear Peace:
“She cited an example of another sister who had married into a family where one of the parents had married someone from the same ethnic background as my husband’s (African ancestry). She claimed that this family had faced problems, including domestic violence, and she warned me to be cautious, stating that the race was inferior and that my sister had faced violence because her husband had some connection to that race. These comments were very racist and offensive…. My mother-in-law came to discuss our wedding plans, and during the conversation, she couldn’t agree to give the amount of gold that my family expected.. The next day, my sister messaged me and called these people “cheap” because they didn’t agree to provide the gold and dresses we had asked for“-
– your family is willing to put aside their hate for the color of your husband’s skin for their love of the color of gold… at least until they receive the gold?
“They (your sisters) mentioned that he had six sisters who would create problems for me“- your sisters know that so far it’s been your sisters who have been creating problems for you.. do they?
“They basically wanted me to believe that my husband’s family was terrible, cheap, and strict about money“- your sisters keep projecting themselves into your husband’s family.
“I refused to be manipulated… She (your sister) lied, played the victim, and then tried to make me feel guilty by saying she had sacrificed so much to send me abroad… I lost trust and felt betrayed and used during that time. I can’t explain how difficult it was for me to go through my exams while dealing with this drama and chaos. My husband was my pillar of support, motivating me and being there for me“-
– take away your loyalty from those who manipulated and betrayed you, and place it in the person who has been your pillar of support.
“What seemed most important to them (your brother and sisters) was their ‘target,’ my papers, and my role as an ATM machine“- no point in being loyal in any way, or being in contact with people who see you and treat you like an ATM machine
“Now, I’m questioning whether their opposition to my marriage is solely based on caste. It seems to go beyond that. Did they send me abroad with the hope that I’d have a better life for myself? Apparently, I’m worthless to them, and my wants and needs don’t matter. So, why did they invest money in a person they don’t respect and see as worthless in the first place?“-
– My answer: they do respect you, they do see you as worthy, not as a person (with wants, needs and feelings), but as a machine, an ATM MACHINE, your words. They invested money in the manufacturing of a machine in hopes that the machine will provide them more and more money.
anita
September 5, 2023 at 9:12 am #421835TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am very glad to hear that your studies are going well, and that you’ve secured an internship which might turn into a full-time job once you get your diploma. And that you are financially independent. Well done!
And also, I am thrilled to hear that you are happy with your husband, that he loves you, respects you and is supporting you every step of the way. That’s really precious and I am so glad things worked out for you in the love department!
Sorry to hear about struggles with your family though. They haven’t changed much, on the contrary, their behavior is appalling. First they were vehemently opposing your husband, being super racist, then seemingly “tolerating” him if they can get enough gold from his family. When their appetites haven’t been satisfied, they started again with baseless insults and defamation of your husband and his family.
They are leading a vicious campaign against this good, innocent man and his family, which seems to be an okay family and don’t deserve to be treated like that. Your husband certainly doesn’t deserve to be treated like that. You neither, of course.
You’re seeing it very well that they want to make you their slave, fulfill all their wishes, they want to control you completely (In their eyes, making them proud meant becoming their slave because they wanted to control my decisions.). And even if you do everything they say, even if you sacrifice yourself for these mean, selfish people (sorry, I have to call them like that), you’ll still never be good enough for them. You will still be beneath them, and they will always find faults with you – each time you don’t do what they tell you. That’s how big their “love” is.
I lost trust and felt betrayed and used during that time.
They did betray you and have been emotionally abusing you for quite a while now. No wonder you feel betrayed. Because they initially helped you to get to Germany and financially supported you, only to turn against you because you don’t want to follow their dictates. You want to be independent and happy, leading your own life, and not be their slave.
To be honest, I don’t think you should stay in touch with your family. Or you should reduce contact to a minimum because they are quite toxic. But before cutting or reducing contact, I would settle the debt. If I were you, I would repay the debt – separately to each of your 2 sisters. Make a break down of the costs: how much each of them gave you, and how much you gave to each of them in the last year. The difference is how much you owe to each of them.
Your brother is a separate category – he didn’t give you any money, right? Instead, you’ve been helping him, but now it’s time to stop financing him. He is an adult man, older than you, and should be capable to take care of himself and his family. If your mother is living with him, you can pay for her expenses. I don’t think you should be paying their bills, but you can pay for your mother’s upkeep and help with her medical bills, if necessary.
If I were you, I would only pay for my mother’s expenses – not for any of my siblings’ expenses. It’s not your duty to financially support your adult, able bodied siblings.
So my advice is to insist on repaying your debts and financially separating yourself from your family. Because they are using your debt to financially exploit you and as you say, use you as an ATM machine. That’s why they say “no, you don’t need to repay it now”. But the very next day they come with requests for money….
That’s why I think it would be very important to clear your debt. Insist on repaying it, and do repay it, even if they object. And then stop giving them more money, except for your mother’s expenses.
I expect they won’t like it and will try to blame you and guilt trip you, portraying you as a selfish person. But please know that it’s not true – you are a good, honest person, and they are selfish, manipulative, mean people. So try to stay strong and cut as many ties as possible (first starting with financial ties).
How does this sound?
September 5, 2023 at 5:52 pm #421842PeaceParticipantDear Anita and Tee,
“– your family is willing to put aside their hate for the color of your husband’s skin for their love of the color of gold… at least until they receive the gold?”
Yes, my family believes that the more money or gold they receive, the happier they’ll be, and they’ll gain more respect in our community. According to my sister, if my husband is from a lower social group, they should give us even more gold and have a lavish traditional wedding to impress everyone. Otherwise, people might make fun of us. The problem is that even my own family is like those people, who care a lot about showing off.
When my mother-in-law agreed to give the requested amount of gold, my sister, to whom I had given money for a bribe, suddenly told me that my husband’s family wasn’t good enough for us. She said that even if they offered us a substantial amount of gold, we wouldn’t agree, and she threatened to cut ties with me if I insisted on marrying my husband. She spoke to me rudely and acted like I had no say in choosing my partner.why was she so confident as if i am scared of being bycotted by them ?what made her think she has that power or right to talk to me in that tone?
Let me explain my sister’s double standards a bit more. Her own husband stopped taking financial responsibility just 2-3 years into their marriage. During her pregnancy, my family paid for all her medical expenses, and she stayed at our home for 6 months because her husband didn’t want to take care of her or their child, as she was the main provider for the family. After 6 months, she reluctantly went back to her husband’s house, which was only a 5-minute walk from ours. I had to help her financially with her job(paying a bribe) and she wants my help with buying a house (but she doesnt have any money for that ,any saving because just 6 months before i contributed for her job)
Despite all this, she treats me poorly and thinks my husband’s family isn’t up to our standards. This pattern is common among my other sisters too, where they end up shouldering all the family expenses while their husbands don’t contribute much. Strangely, they didn’t face these issues when they chose their partners, as the rest of the family supported their choices or arranged the marriage.
Now, when my sisters need something, they seem to expect me to provide it through our eldest sister, who wants to be the family’s main provider to gain respect and admiration from everyone.
I often feel portrayed as foolish, immature, and unappreciated. They might think that my achievements are due to their investments in me. That’s why my eldest sister guilt-tripped me by saying she regrets sending me away. She has been sending messages for the past two years, warning others not to send their daughters away at a young age. Sometimes, I felt guilty, but then I realized that I’ve been living independently away from them for seven years, and I’m turning 28 now. Am I still as foolish as they think I am? It felt like guilt-tripping, shaming, and gaslighting for my decisions.
“They (your sisters) mentioned that he had six sisters who would create problems for me“- your sisters know that so far it’s been your sisters who have been creating problems for you.. do they?”
No, they believe they are absolutely right. They think all men are the same, and because I live in Europe, they think there are plenty of men from our country interested in settling down with me here. I even doubt whether my siblings would ever agree to anyone else. Do you think they would? Maybe they’re worried that their investments in me would go to waste if I get married or have my own children. What do you think? Is it really about caste? I’m not so sure anymore, because it could have been negotiated if my mother-in-law hadn’t bargained. After she negotiated, my family became worried that this opportunity might slip away because my in-laws seem very focused on money (at least, that’s what I assume).
“– take away your loyalty from those who manipulated and betrayed you, and place it in the person who has been your pillar of support.”
I agree. I’m no longer loyal to them, and I can’t rely on or trust them anymore. I used to care deeply for them, but it feels like they betrayed me. They know that my husband is a good person – respectful, educated (by the way, none of my brothers-in-law went to university or got a degree), working, and responsible. They also know that we’re planning to buy our own apartment here. Yet, they rejected all this by saying I would be happier there, but they don’t want to deal with any future problems with my mother-in-law if our marriage faces challenges.
It’s quite funny and doesn’t make any sense. They’re not worth my loyalty, love, care, or respect, and certainly not the two years of waiting. They seem to have no feelings about how they made me, my husband, and his family wait just so they could start their next manipulative and selfish games after I got a stable job.
Why am I acting unkind towards my family ? It’s because I was really hurt and felt like they let me down and disrespected me, like they were toying with my emotions. They kept playing mind games until I decided to distance myself from them.
September 5, 2023 at 6:13 pm #421843PeaceParticipantDear Tee,
“I expect they won’t like it and will try to blame you and guilt trip you, portraying you as a selfish person. But please know that it’s not true – you are a good, honest person, and they are selfish, manipulative, mean people. So try to stay strong and cut as many ties as possible (first starting with financial ties).”I want to put an end to this ongoing cycle of debt they seem to think I owe them, so they won’t see me as their servant or anything like that in the future.and i already cut ties with them .but they are trying to reconnect .
But as Anita pointed out, and I believe her, this might never really end. Maybe next time if they ask for money, I’ll tell them I’m saving money to pay them back, but besides that, I don’t have any money to spare, or something along those lines.
For the past month, I haven’t sent money for my mom’s expenses because I’m not sure how much her medical bills are. I’ve been sending enough for her treatment and food, and I know my brother uses her money to pay bills. So, I stopped that amount last month, and I feel guilty about it. However, my eldest sister is already there, and she has taken 1000 euros from me. She must be spending some of it on our mom since she always claims to be the one covering the medical bills in front of me and other family members, i don’t know.what would you suggest how should i send my mom expense ? do you think i should wait few months and then send ? i just dont want that my brother take any thing from that money but i also dont want that they leave my mom’s treatment if they think their bills arent being paid?
The funny thing is, I’ve been living alone for seven years, but deep down, I always thought I had a family to support. and that i have people in this world who cares for me and i could rely on .I always had them on my mind. But this situation in my life has made me see them more clearly – they don’t really care. I could have continued spending money like this without realizing my importance in their lives. In their story, I don’t really matter. They’re all busy with their own families, and they only care if I bring up the topic of my marriage at the age of 28. Then, everyone gets anxious, stressed, or ready to leave the house. Their peace is threatened by my getting married. It’s funny in a way, but it’s also heartbreaking for me. Well, it’s been more than a month, and I’m still processing a lot of these harsh realities.
September 5, 2023 at 8:19 pm #421844anitaParticipantDear Peace:
“According to my sister, if *blah blah blah)… my sister, to whom I had given money for a bribe, suddenly told me that (blah blah blah)… she treats me poorly and thinks (blah blah blah)… They might think that (blah blah blah).. That’s why my eldest sister guilt-tripped me by saying (blah blah blah)…they believe (blah blah blah)… They think (blah blah blah), and because I live in Europe, they think (blah blah blah)“-
– it doesn’t matter to me what your sisters think, say and believe because they are dishonestly manipulative, rude and exploitive. I have no respect for them. If any one of them ever sincerely apologizes to you and never again asks you for money, if they re-evaluate and change their behaviors, then I will care about what they think, say and believe.
“Maybe they’re worried that their investments in me would go to waste if I get married or have my own children. What do you think?“- like I said, I don’t care about what dishonest, exploitive people worry about. If they change their ways and become decent people, I will then care about what their worries.
“I’m no longer loyal to them… They’re not worth my loyalty, love, care, or respect“- good thing. So, next time you think about what they are thinking, or you remember what they told you, replace their words with… blah blah blah.
“They let me down and disrespected me, like they were toying with my emotions. They kept playing mind games until I decided to distance myself from them“- distance yourself from them more.
“What made her think she has that power or right to talk to me in that tone?“- because she is exploitive of her own youngest sister. She is not a nice, decent person.
“Am I still as foolish as they think I am?“- not if you don’t make yourself available to be exploited anymore.
About money, you wrote yesterday: “When I calculate all the money I sent home in just one year, it’s almost more than 7000 euros. And I still haven’t repaid the money I owe them, which is almost 8500 euros“- this is just in one year. But let’s say you paid back over the years a total of seven thousand euros. Consider then the 1,500 euros left a small financial compensation for the pain-and-suffering caused to you by your sisters.
anita
September 6, 2023 at 2:34 am #421855TeeParticipantDear Peace,
The funny thing is, I’ve been living alone for seven years, but deep down, I always thought I had a family to support. and that i have people in this world who cares for me and i could rely on .I always had them on my mind. But this situation in my life has made me see them more clearly – they don’t really care. … In their story, I don’t really matter.
Yes, unfortunately they don’t care about your happiness and well-being, but only about themselves. What I am starting to think is that what they care about is not just the caste your husband belongs to (and thus, their public image), but also how much money is available to them on an on-going basis. Because you said that neither of your sisters married men who are financially responsible and able to take care of their family (This pattern is common among my other sisters too, where they end up shouldering all the family expenses while their husbands don’t contribute much.).
They seem to count on you (and your husband) to help whenever they need cash. One of your sisters even counts on your help to buy a house, which is certainly not your responsibility. So it seems they see you not as a person, but as a function: a money machine, or a cash cow if you will.
That might be the reason why your husband isn’t good for them: because he doesn’t stem from a rich family and can’t provide unlimited resources. So I think greed is what largely drives their behavior. That’s why they say your MIL is cheap – because she dared to negotiate about the gold, rather than just giving whatever amount they’ve asked for.
So I’d say both greed and public image/appearances is what motivates your family. Those are very low motives, unfortunately. And they are very rude and crude about it – they are quick to lie, gossip, threaten and emotionally blackmail you:
They said they were stressed and couldn’t sleep, and they threatened that if I married this guy, my brother would leave our home because he thought these people were not good. They even talked about the possibility of a fight happening in front of our house back home if my marriage went wrong. One of my sisters, who had already asked me for money and whom I paid a bribe for, said she would move away from our area because she couldn’t handle my mother-in-law’s behavior.
So really, they use any means to try to control you and force you to do their bidding. I hope you see that you need to protect yourself from this toxic system. I hope you see that it would be absolutely devastating for you to move back to India and let them “take care” of you (They told me to complete my education and come back, saying they would take care of me).
What you need is to move further and further away from them, both financially and emotionally. And stay physically as far away as possible from them.
As for the money, I would settle the debt. As for helping your mother, perhaps the best way is to pay a monthly lump sum for her expenses. And to let everyone know (including your mother) that you are paying it, and what it is for.
If you want to pay for some other emergencies (such as your sister’s medical emergency – when she had a brain tumor), you can do it out of the goodness of your heart – because you are not a stingy person. But don’t let yourself be manipulated and feel obliged to pay for your siblings’ (and their husbands’) living expenses.
September 13, 2023 at 9:38 am #422051PeaceParticipantHello Tee,
I’ve read your posts carefully and want to thank you for your responses and the time you’ve taken to discuss this with me.
I recently took a short break in the Netherlands over the weekend, so I couldn’t respond right away.
About the statement, “I hope you see that it would be absolutely devastating for you to move back to India and let them ‘take care’ of you,” I believe she didn’t mean it. Instead, she might have said it to express disapproval of my choices or to make me worry /scared such as the threat that they would bycott me. What I’m sure of is that she didn’t actually want me to return because, realistically, there wouldn’t be anyone to support me financially there.
I also agree with your idea that their wish for me to take care of them could be mainly about money. This might be why they’re hesitant about my husband becoming my life partner. They’re concerned that his family’s involvement could create financial issues for them down the road.
“What you need is to move further and further away from them, both financially and emotionally. And stay physically as far away as possible from them.”
That’s precisely what I’m working on right now. I’ve reduced communication with most people and only maintain regular contact with my mom and one sister due to certain arrangements. It does make me feel somewhat isolated, and I find myself doubting the past experiences I’ve had with them, wishing things hadn’t turned out this way.
Although they’ve recently (about three weeks ago) agreed to my marriage, they’re still not willing to talk directly to my mother-in-law. Instead, they’re using me as the go-between for communication. They’ve shared their other requirements with me, and I’ve passed those on. I’ve also provided extra money for my wedding attire and to secure the banquet hall. I’m in charge of organizing my side of the wedding, while my husband’s family handles everything on their end. Our wedding ceremonies are scheduled for this December.
My eldest sister has asked me to cover the cost of her 300 euros worth of tickets to attend my wedding in December. This is unusual because she has contributed to the weddings of our other siblings in the past, and she spent a considerable sum for my brother’s wedding. Being the youngest, I’m handling every aspect, not just financially but also in terms of effort. I don’t expect others to contribute, but I also don’t want someone to add to my financial burden by asking me to pay for their tickets. It’s a bit uncomfortable.
September 27, 2023 at 4:55 am #422536PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
I hope you are fine and doing great.
I apologize for not responding earlier, but I wanted to reach out.I didn’t have much to add, but I just wanted to express my appreciation for your previous advice. Your words have resonated with me, reminding me of how I should handle this situation. At times, when my heart softens or I’m overwhelmed by guilt, I recall your advice to “take away your loyalty from those who manipulated and betrayed you.” This helps me ground myself in reality and find acceptance.
I believe I’m still in a state of denial. There’s a part of me that still feels love and care for my family. However, the flashbacks of what I went through and how I was treated make me feel unworthy. It’s hard to forget that no one was there for me, and I carry a deep sense of emptiness inside. Trusting anyone again seems difficult; I feel sad, disappointed, and betrayed.
Now, they’re arranging a wedding for me, Even though i should be happy but i feel broken .
many regards ,
Peace
September 27, 2023 at 10:48 am #422542anitaParticipantDear Peace:
You are welcome. “I believe I’m still in a state of denial“- can you define the state of denial for me, in one short sentence: what is it exactly that you are denying?
anita
September 27, 2023 at 12:39 pm #422543PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
How could they be so heartless to subject me to all these lies, manipulation, mind games, gossip, emotional manipulation, and drama without any regard for how it would impact me, my emotions, my mental well-being, my happiness, and my life? Why were they so selfish, making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning?
Peace
September 27, 2023 at 2:03 pm #422547anitaParticipantDear Peace:
“How could they be so heartless…?“- I asked a similar question in regard to my mother: how could she have no heart for me? And I too was in denial about it, believing that she did love me, she must have…
It was only this morning that I thought: I should contact her just to tell her that I love her too (I’ve been in no contact with her for 10 years, my choice). But then I said to myself: but she doesn’t love me and no amount of love on my part can make up for her lack of love for me; no amount of reaching out to her with love can bridge the chasm between me (my love for her) and her (lack of love for me).
“.. Why were they so selfish, making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning?“- I no longer ask this question in regard to my mother, I am accepting the very sad but true reality that there is no love for me coming from her. It is a very difficult reality to accept, but moving on to a better reality (at least when it comes to my quality of life in between my ears) depends on accepting this. And not trying once again.. and again.. and again to change the unchangeable.
anita
September 27, 2023 at 11:47 pm #422551TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am sorry for not responding earlier. I have been struggling with health issues and health anxiety related to that, and this has been weighting on me. But I want to say I feel for you and I understand your sadness and your difficulty to accept some of the harsh realities about your family (“I’m still processing a lot of these harsh realities.”)
Why were they so selfish, making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning?
It’s hard to say why some people are selfish, but many factors can play in, including the belief that money can bring one happiness, or that money will make one accepted and valued in the society. So perhaps seeing money as a key to happiness and a sense of worth is what causes your family to be so money-thirsty, at least in part. And so they’ve put money and social status on a pedestal, while disregarding true values, such as goodness, kindness, care and compassion. I don’t know, Peace, but this could be why they are glorifying false values and diminishing you, whom they should love and care for.
However, what you need to do is to stop linking your sense of worth to how they treat you (making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning). This is a child in you, wanting to be loved and valued by her family, and believing that if they don’t value you, you are not worthy. That’s a false belief. Every child believes it though, and that’s why so many of us feel unworthy, because our parents and siblings made us feel unworthy.
But now, as an adult, you need to start believing in your own worth, disregarding of how your family sees you. They shouldn’t be your measuring gauge, since they are unfortunately people with crooked values and crooked priorities. Your sense of worth shouldn’t be dependent on them.
I know it’s hard to accept that you might not be as important to them as they are to you. It hurts. But it doesn’t mean you are not important at all. It doesn’t mean you’re unworthy as a human being. Their treatment of you doesn’t say anything about you – it says a lot about them. Try to tell yourself (your inner child) that you are worthy, special and unique, and you’ll see how your sense of worth will start changing.
Trusting anyone again seems difficult; I feel sad, disappointed, and betrayed.
It’s okay to feel sad, disappointed (in them) and betrayed (by them). Because they have indeed betrayed you. They’re not treating you like a loving family should treat one of their own.
But please, know that your worth is not defined by them and doesn’t depend on them. And that other people are not like them. You have found a husband who is not like them. You can trust your husband, even if you shouldn’t trust your own family. So don’t measure other people by how your own family is.
Now, they’re arranging a wedding for me, Even though i should be happy but i feel broken .
I get you. The people who have betrayed you are arranging your wedding. But don’t feel broken about yourself. Because as I said, you’re a good person, and they are crooked. Instead of feeling broken and unworthy, perhaps feel a little angry at your family. Just a little, so it can give you strength to stand up for yourself.
When you feel better about yourself and more empowered, you can then decide how you want your wedding to look like, how much of their involvement (and their pushing their ideas) you want to allow, etc. It will be also easier for you to decide about the financial matters. Once you start feel worthy and strong, rather than worthless and guilty, things will become more clear.
We can talk more about the practical aspects (money, debt etc), but I think the most important at this point would be to improve your sense of self-worth, which is independent of how your family sees you and treats you.
October 12, 2023 at 9:01 am #423009PeaceParticipantDear Anita and Teak,
I hope both of you are well. My birthday is just a few hours away – I’ll be turning 28! Regrettably, I have no birthday plans as I’ve been working all day, and I’ll be working tomorrow too. This internship is causing me a lot of stress, but I’m managing.
Dear Anita,
I can’t claim to fully understand the pain and heartaches you’ve endured throughout your life while seeking love from the most beautiful relationship in the world. I’m truly sorry for what you’ve gone through. I’ve faced only about very little of the challenges you’ve experienced, and those were often unbearable. I’ve been in shock and denial, but I’m gradually moving towards acceptance. I can’t even imagine how you managed to come out for healing. I would love to know more about your experiences if you wish to share with me.
When I consider your situation, it makes me reflect on my own relationship with my mother. She’s quite emotionally distant due to her introverted nature (we talked about before about the childhood experience), and her old age has brought on dementia. Nevertheless, I still hold deep love for her. In moments of grief, I often wish she could be with me, She’s truly the sweetest and most innocent person I know.
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