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  • #461653
    Roberta
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    Good Morning

    Both my grandchildren have been diagnosed as neuro divergent & so have other relatives received an adult diagnosis in the last couple of years. A while back on you tube I was watching about coping strategies that neuros use to make life easier. I was surprised that I naturally use some of these hacks. One of the most enlightening one for me is to do studying or appointments in the morning, so that you are not putting yourself on hold all day waiting to complete just that one task. At least the hacks aren’t medication & are free.
    Roberta

    #461660
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    I’m glad you asked me what I think 🤔 even though I was going to tell you anyway, just as I do every time 😁

    You wrote: “I don’t want to label myself as anything and justify my inactions.”-

    I think that what you need from yourself is empathy, not judgment. Instead of negatively criticizing yourself, focusing on what you haven’t done, please focus on the positives, on what you have done (“I asked around here, looked online.. applied to many jobs in Poland too”).

    Think of a real- life young boy. If he is being criticized and judged on and on, will he be forever motivated to try harder and harder, or.. will he give up at one point, and/ or need a lot of rest from all the criticism (“resting, laying around, feeling comfortable”)?

    “She didn’t care if I was uncomfortable… Neither of them gives a sh** about how other people might be feeling”=

    No empathy for Robi from his own parents.. They don’t give a sh** about how their own son might be feeling 😔

    I’m using my phone, will be back to you from the computer (I would like to investigate a bit the neurodivergent topic you brought up)

    🤔 Anita

    #461667
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    Well, I’m still on the phone after asking Gemini(using the phone). So, neurodivergence is what I thought it is:

    Not a diagnosis, but an umbrella term for different combinations of diagnoses. For one person, it means ADHD + Autism, for another, it is ADHD alone, for another, ADHD + dyslexia. For another- Tourette Syndrom, etc.

    * Some people consider OCD to be a neurodivergence (there’s a narrower and broader consideration of what constitutes neurodivergence).

    And a person can consider themselves neurodivergent without having been diagnosed with anything, because of ADHD or Autism traits.

    1 in 5 or 1 in 7 people are considered neurodivergent.

    Personally, I was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome (and OCD), and I fit ADD or ADHD traits), so I am definitely entitled to the term neurodivergent. For some reason, one more term doesn’t make me feel any more special or unique than I felt before 😶

    Personally, I believe that most people who consider themselves (or are considered) neurodivergent are not born that way, or are not that way in that first cell (zygote)

    It’s our experiences in our early years that have a whole lot to do with who we become.

    I mean, if we have parents who didn’t give a sh** about what we feel and who gave us no privacy.. we become different from who we would have if we had parents who did give a sh** and who gave us breathing room to be.. neuro-typical.

    The parenting we receive- or don’t receive- if it’s very divergent from the wishful-typical, is it a wonder that we become neurodivergent?

    What thinks Robi?

    🤔 Anita

    #461677
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi (at the computer):

    Oh, I’m fine, thank you for asking, except that I am worried about my beagle. I gave him some tranquilizers tonight (vet’s prescription & instruction) as a preparation for a deep ear-cleaning and nail trimming appt tomorrow, and he is acting “high”. It worries me, so I’m having extra red wine 😶

    * “AuADHD”- I think I saw it before. It’s a term, not a diagnosis.

    I’m fascinated by what you shared about your mother and the cat. She noticed the cat’s discomfort but has treated the cat’s discomfort as unimportant.

    I asked Copilot how it would affect a cat.

    Copilot: “it learns that its signals do not influence the situation. Over time it may avoid the person, become tense around them, stop seeking contact, become resigned and passive, show signs of stress.”-

    Reads somewhat familiar, Robi?

    (Copilot has nothing to do with the following): If a cat reacts like that, your human reaction to your mother is not a result of a pre-existing neurodivergence/ AuADHD, but as natural a reaction to a mother like that, is what thinks me 🤔🍷

    “Resigned and passive”- because what’s the point if what I feel does not matter?

    Your mother and mine have this in common: that self-centeredness. Not because they feel important, but because they never did. So, they never matured from the toddler development stage of ‘I want!’ (this toy), ‘it’s mine!’ (not sharing).. to that of: ‘oh, there’s another person there’.

    🍷🤔Anita

    #461787
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi: I hope you are still visiting with your girlfriend in the nicer city (Oct 20-___) I am rooting for the 2 of u to make a life together, to help each other and make it work.

    🤞💛🌷Anita

    #461828
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I am rooting for the 2 of u to make a life together, to help each other and make it work.

    Thank you! I very much appreciate your words:)

    I’ve just got back yesterday. On my way back I’ve stopped to another beautiful city where I spent one more evening with a good friend of mine. It was quite nice, as usual, takes some time for me to get used to spending time with my girlfriend. Towards the end of her stay I start feeling more connected to her but then the sadness kicks in.. when I realise there’s only a couple days until she leaves again. This setup doesn’t seem to work well for me.. or for us. This time we took some time to talk about how I’m feeling these days. I told her about the way I get overwhelmed and how sometimes when she opens up about something heavy or emotional.. I don’t seem to have acces to my feelings. I seem to shut down my feelings and feel numb instead. A few times it happened that she was breaking down up and I had no reaction at all.. I felt numb.. but also guilty for not knowing how to react and what to say. She then asked me If I had no empathy or If I don’t care at all.
    Listening to people talk about autism I recently realised this is one of the main traits of autistic people.. not having access to certain emotions.. seemingly lacking empathy. We read about what it means to be in a relationship with someone with autistic traits.. and well.. looks quite similar to what we’ve been experiencing. Actually no.. it’s not quite similar.. it’s really close to my reality. It feels good to find some characteristics of my personality which I could learn to navigate better – in order to make the best out of my energy and not get so easily burned out. I’m not rushing into getting any diagnostic. Actually I don’t think it matters to me wether I get an official diagnostic or not. I think simply knowing that there are certain ways my brain and nervous system work and how to navigate life having these characteristics in mind could make a difference. Of course, being officially diagnosed could have it’s advantages.. but right now I think I’ll stick to what I know so far and see how all this lands and develops.

    Now.. these days I’ve also realised how much this small town doesn’t work for me. Being in nicer cities – especially in old historical towns.. shows me how much I miss culture, art, aesthetics, cafés and more alternative, more open minded crowds. Here I often feel I’m getting dumber.. Like I’m eroding, dissolving.
    Warsaw isn’t the best place either.. it’s big.. crowded.. quite dark in winter.. polluted and full of people. But I recon it’s still better than being here for me. Perhaps living in a more characterful, more historical, less crowded place could come later. So, for now I gotta find a way to make an income while I apply for jobs in Warsaw. Maybe starting with January things will work better.. maybe more companies will hire.

    That friend of mine I spent some time with when coming back 2 days ago was there to look for a flat in the historical center of Sibiu. Quite a stunning little city. I’ve always liked it there. So spending 2 days there on my way home was soo good. Spending time with my girlfriend and coming back to my parents house needed a little soft transition.
    He wants to get a flat there and renovate it, furnish it, style it – preserving the old character of the 15th century building. He asked me if I wanted to help him renovate it and he offered to pay me. Well, now that’s something I’d like to do. That’s work I’m interested in, working with my hands, my creativity, with people I like. Yes, sure! 🙂
    So I hope he manages to get the flat soon and I might be going to work on the flat in Sibiu. I’m excited. I could be doing something I like, making some money so I can travel to Warsaw later when I find a job and living in Sibiu for the time being. Fingers crossed 🙂

    How have you been doing these days?

    #461834
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi 🙂

    Good to read back from you this Monday morning!

    I read this part: “I told her about the way I get overwhelmed and how sometimes when she opens up about something heavy or emotional.. I don’t seem to have access to my feelings. I seem to shutdown my feelings and feel numb instead. A few times it happened that she was breaking down and I had no reaction at all.. I felt numb”,

    I’ll be surprized if I didn’t mention it to you before, but when another person gets emotional in front of me in real- life (and it happened last only yesterday), expressing deep hurt, frustration, disappointment, etc., I get very uncomfortable and I want to get away ASAP. I feel anxious and I can’t wait for the other person to stop talking. I can’t feel present with the person and yet I know it won’t be right to walk away too quickly.

    Maybe you shut down emotionally more effectively than I do, and you don’t feel anxious, only numb? (I am jealous, ha-ha)

    I know that I react this way because I grew up with a highly volatile, emotional mother who overwhelmed the young me with her intense and unpredictable emotions while my own emotions (sadness, fear) were never acknowledged by her or by anyone.

    Back to your post: “But also guilty for not knowing how to react and what to say”-

    I’m getting better at replacing guilt with empathy for the child-me who reacted like any child would react to an un-attuned mother who is overwhelming the capacity of a child to carry hers (or anyone’s) intense, unfiltered emotions.

    “She then asked me if I had no empathy, or if I don’t care at all”-

    When the parent does not understand that it’s harmful to not filter the expression of their emotions in front of a child, the child’s empathy shuts down because empathy for the out-of-control parent is scary or it hurts too much!

    Gemini: “When a child grows up in a home with high volatility and with an emotionally un-attuned parent, the child’s nervous system is constantly pushed past its capacity… A child’s developing brain relies on ‘co- regulation’, meaning they need a calm adult to help them process and calm down from big feelings. When the parent is the source of the chaos and llack attunement, the child has no one to help them regulate…

    “Faced with emotional intensity they cannot escape or fix, the child’s nervous system resorts to the ‘freeze’ or ‘fawn’ response. When fight or flight aren’t option, dissociation and shutdown become the safest defense mechanisms…

    “The subconscious logic is simple: ‘If my parent’s intense emotions are dangerous, unpredictable or overwhelming, then all intense emotions are dangerous’. “-

    Using my phone, I accidently pressed the wrong key and lost Gemini. I’ll be back to you in the next post.

    #461837
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    ChatGPT, this time (still using my phone) tells me that I learned to respond to other people’s emotional intensity (irl) with hyperarousal and a desire to escape the situation.

    Maybe your reaction is a shutdown, as in feeling nothing at all?

    Hyperarousal (Fght or Flight) and shutdown (hypoarousal, Freeze) are 2 different reactions (to hearing another’s person expressing upset, etc.), and one person can experience either one at different times.

    About autism, Chat GPT says that your shutdown (feeling nothing when girlfriend is upset?), may be a trauma-related response (a reaction to the parenting you received for so long); it maybe a result of autism (which has nothing to do with the quality of parenting, and is substantially genetic,

    Or it can be both.

    Thing is, there’s not even one trait or subjective experience that ALL diagnosed autistic people experience.

    In any case, even if you were born on the autistic spectrum, no way that your parenting experience did not affect you.

    Actually, I used to suffer from sensory overload (an Autistic trait, yet not experienced by all who are diagnosed on the spectrum): being overwhelmed by noise, tight clothing, heat and humidity, and at one time I clearly remember, a cooking smell nearly killed me, LOL.

    I think sensory overload is a common autistic trait. Did you experience that, and if you did, did it happen during stressful periods of time only (indicating trauma response..), or did you experience it in stressful and non stressful circumstances alike (indicating perhaps autism)?

    Another common autistic trait is in attachment to routine and difficulty with changes to routine. I think you did very well with changes when in Spain/ away from home, didn’t you?

    Anyway, I may have gotten carried away while I didn’t even read the 2nd part of your post yet…

    Working on your friend’s (future) flat in Sibiu sounds like an excellent idea, yes!

    As far as me these days, the days have gotten shorter and colder and I should be out and about by now, at 1:20 pm, only 4-5 hours of some light left and it’s been sunny for the last hour. I need to adjust to shorter days.. My neighbor and her 2 beagles should be back from Hawaii (well, the beagles have been in a boarding place in the state here), so it’s exciting.

    Please tell me what you think about autism vs trauma response, how you understand autism. I am curious.

    And how did the visit end with your girlfriend, how did the conversation in regard to your empathy end?

    🤔 Anita

    #461845
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi (late Mon night):

    Sometimes, like tonight, I wonder if in my earlier posts today, I stopped talking about your mother (combining your two parents into one) and talked instead about my mother. She’s been such a negatively central figure in my life, that I tend to see her everywhere.

    The image in regard to you that got imprinted in my mind is you minimizing the computer screen when either one of your parents entered the storage room (not really your room), anytime they wanted to.

    The image got imprinted in my mind because that’s what happened to me, only there were no computers back then, when I was a child and teenager. What was Minimized was Me (M & M.. ha-ha) while I took on the needed job of Maximizing the Fantasy of Me.

    Another thing that stuck is what you shared recently- that growing up, you imagined being important, as in superior to others in your small town.

    My daydreaming (extensive, hours long at any time, intoxicating) about becoming rich and famous were much needed. How could I have survived feeling so small, too small without big, very big dreams?

    Problem is that real-life is nothing like those daydreams, and because of that big gap, my low self-esteem, sustained only by the fantastic daydreaming, sunk even lower and lower when met with reality.

    The very thing that helps children survive a very difficult childhood can be a disservice in adulthood.

    It really is not going to happen- the actualization of my daydreams- but it’s okay, I get to experience the real thing nonetheless: maximizing the computer screen, so to speak, and saying this is me. Right here, in this post, authentic, honest.. important-enough, yes 🙂

    Anita

    #461859
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita

    These days it’s been so hard to get used to living here, again. Not only the small, dull and now rainy, cloudy town.. but also living here in my parents house. I feel as if I don’t know what to do with myself these days. I allowed myself today to lay around a little and watch some documentaries about cars while my body is recovering from a little cold. I don’t really get colds.. I only get a couple mild symptoms.. a little sore throat and slightly jammed nose for a day or two. I recon by tomorrow I’ll be back to full power.

    You asked me about my shut downs. Well.. I guess I over simplified it.. I do feel something, and indeed.. I feel anxious too.

    I’ll be surprized if I didn’t mention it to you before, but when another person gets emotional in front of me in real- life (and it happened last only yesterday), expressing deep hurt, frustration, disappointment, etc., I get very uncomfortable and I want to get away ASAP. I feel anxious and I can’t wait for the other person to stop talking. I can’t feel present with the person and yet I know it won’t be right to walk away too quickly.

    Maybe you shut down emotionally more effectively than I do, and you don’t feel anxious, only numb? (I am jealous, ha-ha)

    I also feel very uncomfortable.. I feel anxious and guilty ( for not knowing how to respond ). I too feel like I want to get away ASAP. I too feel like I just want the person to stop talking. I find myself wanting to get away.. change the subject somehow.. but I know I will seem ( be? ) rude if I did that. So I shut down.
    It reminds me when my parents used to blame me for things. They would either come to “my room” or they would ask me to come to the living room and blame me for stuff. I remember that feeling so well. I remember that feeling these days, when my girlfriend breaks down.. I remember then, when I was a child – I felt as if I was shutting down my senses.. my hearing. I would think of something else.. distract myself from the blame until it passes. So.. I would think of anything.. I wasn’t present.. I was distracting myself from all that. I knew it was going to pass so I waited until it did. 20 years later, I still do it. I still find my mind escaping a little bit.. but I catch myself when it happens. I even remembered how I used to be blamed by my parents.. while my girlfriend was breaking down while talking on a video-call. I even made that connection then – ” aha! now I act like I used to.. when I was a kid and my parents used to corner me and blame me with stuff.. ” I guess that’s a good thing. It’s a lot easier for me to be present and hold space for someone in a face to face conversation… but on a video-call.. forget it. I even told my girlfriend about this and she was very understanding. She was glad we had that conversation. She understood that my inability to hold space for her had nothing to do with her.

    So yes.. back to what I was saying. I feel guilt.. and I feel almost if her bad mood or drama is about me. I feel as if I did something wrong / or if I’m doing something wrong. Perhaps I remember that feeling of guilt I used to feel while being blamed by my parents. Also witnessing my emotional shutdown makes me feel guilty.. I keep thinking I should be saying something, I should comfort her. But it just doesn’t seem right.. because it’s forced.. it’s faked and not genuine. So I don’t.

    Now I’m trying to keep my focus on getting out of this situation. I hope my friend gets the flat and we start working, I start earning some money and soon move on. I feel I need to be challenged a little.. to be engaged into creativity and more activities. But I need good stuff. I don’t need any crazy mindless job. That would burn me out ( again ). I need something good. Like that Italian company I used to work for.. remotely. That was so nice – those years were pretty good.

    It really is not going to happen- the actualization of my daydreams- but it’s okay, I get to experience the real thing nonetheless: maximizing the computer screen, so to speak, and saying this is me. Right here, in this post, authentic, honest.. important-enough, yes 🙂

    I like what you’ve said! And I think there isn’t a better way to live than what you’ve just described above. It isn’t the easiest way for some of us. As for your daydreams.. perhaps those were never meant to be lived in the first place. I think they’ve had a purpose and they protected you well enough to keep going. I feel this is true for me at least 🙂

    I hope you’re having a nice morning!
    Robi

    #461865
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    What you wrote in the last paragraph is so sweet. It feels special reading it. Yes, the grandiose dreams did have a purpose: to protect me from completely drowning in the ‘You’re a Nobody” maternal message. Daydreaming of being an international movie star gave me hope of being a Somebody one bright day.

    It makes sense that you need to rest and distract yourself after returning to your parents’ home, on top of having a cold.

    Do you think it’s a good idea to promise yourself that once you move out from their home, this time, you will never again return to living with them?

    I wonder if such a promise will make it easier for you to survive however long you will still be living there.

    I didn’t know that your parents regularly put you through Blaming Sessions (BS 🙂)

    You and I have a lot in common: my mother had regularly put me through BS.

    No wonder that at times, when your girlfriend gets emotional, your 🧠 expects BS. I suppose your parents got emotional (upset, hurt, whatever), and next.. a BS.

    I understand feeling guilty about not feeling empathy when your gf got emotional. But it’s not that you’re not an empathetic person, it’s that understandably you Freeze, and empathy gets frozen.

    It’s like PTSD-BS type..?

    Using my phone, I’ll continue a bit later.

    #461866
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    I saw the woman with the tattoo I told you about in the dog park today. It was a very cloudy, gray day, the bit of blue in the sky quickly disappeared and it started raining cats and dogs.. in the dog park 😄

    Anyway, she has the tattoo that says: ‘What if I Fall?.. But darling, what if you Fly?’

    This quote didn’t apply to me growing up because early on I wasn’t able to fly (except when day- dreaming). I couldn’t even walk because I was just crawling, practically, not literally.

    Why would a parent or parents beat their child’s legs so that they can’t walk and cut off their wings so that they can’t fly?

    One answer: aggression-within turned against their child. Not once. Not twice. But as a pattern. As business as usual.

    A picture from a movie I saw long, long ago stayed in my mind, been decades. It was Pet Cemetary, a boy, maybe 4, blond hair, I remember, came out of the grave (a living dead) and with his hurt, sad, corners of the mouth turned down, like he’s just about to cry, he stabbed his unsuspecting mother.

    It stayed in my mind because that’s how I always saw my mother: emotionally a toddler with a knife.

    Figuratively a knife; literally it was lots and lots of BS (blaming sessions), ‘poor, poor me, oh,how why did YOU hurt ME??’

    As well as physically hitting me while appearing to be the one in pain.

    And the scary part, she really was in pain and knew no other way to feel better other than to take advantage of finally having a dependent, weak human under her “care” to express her rage with no consequences to her.

    It amazes me, the psychology of evil. Evil by impact and from time to time by intent as well.

    Back to the quote and thinking of you- what does crawling mean to you? Walking? Flying?

    🤔 Anita

    #461891
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Do you think it’s a good idea to promise yourself that once you move out from their home, this time, you will never again return to living with them?

    I wonder if such a promise will make it easier for you to survive however long you will still be living there.

    You know, I was actually thinking about that too these days… What if this was the last time I lived with my parents?
    I often feel this to be true. Now I’ve seen ( again, as an adult this time ) what living here with them can do to my wellbeing. I knew this could happen..


    I understand feeling guilty about not feeling empathy when your gf got emotional. But it’s not that you’re not an empathetic person, it’s that understandably you Freeze, and empathy gets frozen.

    It’s like PTSD-BS type..?

    Well.. yes.. exactly! I know I can be empathetic.. but I don’t know why I didn’t make the connection. Perhaps I wasn’t ready. I only recognised it once I told a friend of mine about it a few weeks ago and he told me he has felt like that before. Then I got more interested in it once I realised I wasn’t the only one going through this.

    I saw the woman with the tattoo I told you about in the dog park today. It was a very cloudy, gray day, the bit of blue in the sky quickly disappeared and it started raining cats and dogs.. in the dog park 😄

    Anyway, she has the tattoo that says: ‘What if I Fall?.. But darling, what if you Fly?’

    It’s funny, this morning when I was reading your first message I thought to myself: ” Maybe I’ll just tattoo that to my forearm – Never again living with my parents ” :))
    One minute later when I read your second one.. the tattoo lady 🙂

    As for crawling? walking? or flying?
    I feel I’ve been constantly tiptoeing throughout my life with occasional relaxed walks and sprints. I still tiptoe.. quite often. As for the flying.. I sometimes dream of flying. In my dreams I always fly the same way. It takes sooo much effort. I heard some of my friends find it easy to fly in their dreams… but not me. For me, flying takes a lot, a lot of effort. Like a big, heavy car trying to make its way through snow – or an obese bird trying to fly.

    I think sensory overload is a common autistic trait. Did you experience that, and if you did, did it happen during stressful periods of time only (indicating trauma response..), or did you experience it in stressful and non stressful circumstances alike (indicating perhaps autism)?

    Well, in the last years I notice it more and more. I’ve always been quite easily overwhelmed by many things but I didn’t really know I was. ( if that makes any sense ). I didn’t notice it.. I often thought I was tired. But nowadays I’m not sure I find that to be true. These days I find myself overwhelmed by too many people and too much noise. Bright lights don’t feel nice to me either.. but as you know I’m well equipped with the fanciest of sunglasses. Funny enough, my compulsive obsession with sunglasses also has its practicality.

    When I was living in Spain I used to put myself into very, very loud and crowded places. I enjoyed it too. I used to be one of the loudest of my friends. But I was also well sedated with alcohol and sometimes drugs. I remember not enjoying being around big, loud crowds of people if I didn’t have a drink or two. I thought it was only natural not to feel like I fit in big groups of people drinking alcohol while being completely sober but now that I think of it maybe it wasn’t only that. Maybe all that was a lot easier for me because I was sedated by alcohol. I’m guessing alcohol can loosen up pretty much anyone – autistic or not.

    The thing is.. in the past, even if I did get overwhelmed by people, sound, light.. I wouldn’t really know. I would probably feel anxious or tired.. and I would probably escape into my phone, computer, etc. Not escaping builds amazing connections. These days its a lot easier to spot when I get overwhelmed. I currently use an IPhone 5.. with no social media apps on it. Before that, until quite recently I used a 2003 Nokia 6310i.. that one only had Snake II on it. This makes me wonder.. how many people must be feeling like sh*t but not really realising they do.. before they escape into cheap dopamine.

    Well… I still do too. Which brings me to the next topic.

    The computer.
    The computer is still present in my daily life more than I’d like it to be. I’ve noticed also.. how well and sharp I feel after spending a few days away from my computer and how foggy and disconnected I feel when I used it. Even after sitting in front of the computer for 30 minutes.. I already feel de-motivated. I feel my energy isn’t quite there anymore… like my mind isn’t as peaceful – also isn’t as sharp. Sure sometimes I create things.. work on short movies, creating music, doing a Dj set.. but most of the times I think I waste a lot of time watching stuff. It could be movies, YouTube videos, looking at cars, looking at more cars, looking at even more cars. Well.. I love cars.

    I know.. some of these things are actually things I’m passionate about. But I do notice how much of my energy gets wasted. And let’s not forget.. that I’ve been addicted to my computer since I can remember. Am I still addicted? I don’t know.. perhaps I am.. but I don’t remember missing it when I’m away or busy. This is something I also intend to work on. Preserving my energy and doing more of the things that build up my energy instead of wasting it.

    So yes.. I guess I do get quite overwhelmed and I feel best in quiet, open spaces in nature. I feel most relaxed when I can see far away and hear nothing but birds.

    I understand my friend had bought the flat.. so I hope in a couple of weeks I’ll be putting on my working clothes. I can’t wait. I feel so much unused energy in me….

    How r u doing?
    Robi

    #461892
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi: I’m looking forward (!) to read and reply this evening 🙂

    #461894
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    “Never again living with my parents” as a tattoo made me smile 🙂 Too boring for a tattoo, says I, a waste of ink even though I agree with the message. I’m not surprized the tattoo thought crossed your mind before reading my tattoo reference in my 2nd message simply because I think of you as a person who thinks a lot, like me.

    “An obese bird trying to fly.”- 2nd 🙂, ha-ha. I don’t think there’s such a thing as an obese bird, not in the wild, anyway (I did come across obese baked chickens)

    Tiptoeing Robi with occasional relaxed walks and sprints.. and flying-in your dreams- feels like a heavy car going through snow, or an obese bird trying to fly. Hmm.. 🤔

    Tiptoeing so to avoid being heard or seen, like minimizing the computer screen..?

    Flying would make you too visible, too seen?

    A 3rd 🙂 when you reminded me of your “fanciest of sunglasses”. And a 4th 🙂 when reading about you looking at cars, and then at even more cars. I think that you’re a creative, funny writer!

    Reading about you needing to preserve your energy.. I forgot to charge my phone and it’s running out of energy, so I’ll charge it and get back 2 U.

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