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    Dear Cali Chica:

    I loved NYC during the first winter I spent there, it was magical. I would have stayed there, but unfortunately I had my mother visit me there and it ruined NYC for me, meaning I left soon after she her visit ended. I left to New Orleans. When I visited NYC afterwards, it wasn’t the same, including the last time in 2013. But those were visits, not the real thing, living there. I did love Manhattan.

    anita

    #328649
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I like knowing this, that you enjoyed NYC – it feels special knowing that.  Maybe because we speak so closely and intimately – it is fun to discuss your experience here.  Oh how I love that!

    Here’s the thing, I don’t think I have truly appreciated living here since we moved here a year ago.  Started off with overwhelmed by my sister, then my moods and ups and downs and not doing so well with controlling my aggression and anger as you know.

    So there fore, we weren’t living in NYC were we? We weren’t really living at all. anywhere.

    Wow – weren’t stopping and taking it all in were we? No we were stuck in sadness and negativity – mostly because of me.

    I, anita, hold the key to the hapiness in my relationship really – and so it is up to me! To appreciate what is in front of us!!!

    #328661
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    It feels special to me too, to read from you knowing you are living in a place that was/ still is special to me. I like what you wrote in this recent post, I like it very much. Do not let your sister spoil nyc for you (similar to my mother having spoiled the city for me long ago!). Do not let anyone spoil Manhattan for you.

    “we were stuck in sadness and negativity”- to get unstuck is to be free, isn’t it. I am smiling this very moment at the thought of you and your husband free in nyc.

    anita

    #329281
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Good morning.  Happy Holidays.  How do you celebrate this week? I wonder.

    We are going to a cousin’s home tomorrow.  My sister is coming as well (as you know my husband’s family invites her as family as well).  I have already (yes already) ran into one passive aggressive comment from her this morning.  I won’t get into all the details as I don’t want to sully today.  It is Xmas Eve, I am at work – luckily a half day – and almost done with this job.  My husband and I are in a good place as a team, even if the past few weeks have been stressful.  I have learned a lot.

    So back to my sister.  I read her comment and first annoyed, irritated, feeling anger well up.  Then angry at myself for getting angry! Then went back to our talks about her.  Keep it at the surface, any deep is too deep.  okay – but that doesn’t apply.  What else did Anita say?

    Oh that!! That my sister has a lot of hidden anger and her MO is to operate with indirect communication.  Yes! That’s it!

    So I reread the comment and thought to myself: this is an inappropriate comment, AND inappropriate way of acting, not just as an adult, but to a sister that does nothing but include you.  Nope.

    So for the first time ever I wrote the following:

    That is not an appropriate answer, here are the two options for tomorrow, let me know within an hour.

    Done.  I am working on seeing my sister as the adult she is.  The only communication we were ever taught was hysteria, passive aggressive, and inflammatory.   And that is not okay.  I no longer have to excuse this behavior as “it’s okay I am like that too.”

    Because I am not Anita. I am not. And I won’t allow myself to be.  And if someone around me is, well sorry it isn’t appropriate.

    Phew! Roar!!!

    ————-

    It’s been an epic year.  The word that comes to find is this: difficult.  Difficult and grueling.  The year started with my sister bombarding me with herself, and look today – not much has changed in her form of communication.  You know I feel that sometimes when I am around her I “dumb myself down” to acting just that way – makes sense because it was rooted in that house of sickness as you say.

    No more.

    What’s more? This has been a year, 2019, of learning how to first become a wife at all, and then a good one.  The good aspect just recently, maybe just over the last month ( I know we have talked about this for a long time but as you likely noticed, only recently did I really take it on).  Divorcing my sick family is the only way to be married to a good person.

    Yes, Divorcing my sick family indeed!!!

    I tried to do both, it didn’t work.  I “divorced my parents” but still kept their voices and guilt.  Then it faded somewhat.  I didn’t see my sister as an enemy, or better put, a hindrance to growth.  I saw her as a companion.

    But then over the last few weeks I realized the detriment that is my sister, and how it is rocks tying me down to the past.

    Yes, divorcing that guilt ridden relationship I have had (on my end) with her is key, and it is happening actively (with time) in present day.

    What’s more- well this epic decision: to move or not to move.

    We don’t have to discuss details today, but some other things came up about SD (likely positive) that may get us back to that 50-50 on the fence mark.  We are going to let ourselves relax during the holidays and not get too worked up about that.  And allow ourselves time (now that we have it).  Thank you for your tremendous support during this time!

    I am grateful above all, for such a dear and loving husband.  You wouldn’t believe it Anita – I truly see him differently over the last week.  Literally visually! Seeing things in him more endearing and lovely than ever! It is like falling in love.  Yes belated, but it is here.  I am finally able to learn to love my husband properly.  It is a beautiful thing, isn’t it…?

    Sigh

    #329293
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    Happy Holidays to you too. I was going to “celebrate” Christmas by going “winter camping” this afternoon, but due to the cold the plan has been cancelled, and so, I am celebrating the cancellation.

    Here is something else I am celebrating this very morning: “I am grateful above all, for such a dear and loving husband.. I truly see him differently over the last week. Literally visually! Seeing things in him more endearing and lovely than ever! It is like falling in love.. I am finally able to learn to love my husband properly. It is a beautiful thing, isn’t it…?”- yes it is, and I am celebrating it right now, on this cold Christmas Eve day, and the sun just appeared in the clouded sky!

    Your sister was invited to XMas Eve with your husband’s part of the family and has already expressed her gratitude by making a XMas-Eve-Morning passive aggressive comment to you. Her anger is not going anywhere and it is harming you and your husband, harming the team, the inner circle, and has been doing so for quite a while. Neither you nor your husband deserve her anger. Do  not take in any guilt for her anger- you have nothing to do  with her anger.

    Keep in mind a visual of her as an angry puppy who bit, bites and will bite, expect it from this puppy. Her bite then will not hurt, it will be only a nibble. Experiment with this visual this Christmas. See if it works for you. Give it your best effort. Do not interact with her on the level of two human adults.

    If this experiment fails, you will have to keep her out of your life.

    Coming to think about it, maybe you should write her a note, on a piece of  paper, attach it to a Christmas card perhaps. In it write something like: I know you have a lot of anger toward me. I am intent on treating you fairly and respectfully regardless of how I feel about you. I expect you to treat me fairly and respectfully regardless of how you feel about me. Deal with your anger at me with someone else, a therapist maybe, but don’t talk about it to me and don’t express it to me. In other words, if you want to be in my company, be nice. If you can’t be nice, stay away from me. What I wrote here is not negotiable. I love you, I always will. But I will no longer accept your anger as if I deserve it. Because I don’t. I don’t deserve your anger.

    What do you think?

    anita

    #329725
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Good Morning. And Merry Xmas.

    I apologize I did not reply to your last post sooner.  Here’s what happened:

    I felt internally frenzied from my sisters passive aggressive indirect comment, the last we spoke that I mentioned and you commented on above.  I came home and directly communicated it to my husband.  As I know I have a history of indirectly taking out anger and annoyance on him – which makes me guilty of passive aggression as well! Doesn’t it.

    Therefore, while I told him what my sister said I found myself getting more agitated.  I was packing up to go for our Xmas Party and moving things around and BAM!!  I drop a big glass bottle on my big toe.  owww! At first it didn’t hurt terribly, but after I sat down and felt the true after effect and throbbing – I realized what I had done.  My husband came to find me and after making sure I was okay said – this is why you shouldn’t rush!!

    He was absolutely right.  The universe showed me didn’t it.  CC slow down, don’t rush – your frenzied energy will harm you – and it did.  How humbling.

    Luckily it is my husband’s specialty, he examined the toe and said it’s unlikely to be broken, just a bad sprain.  And so I was grateful for that.  But wow talk about the need to slow down. phew!

    Anyway my toe is better.  Yes, I am at work today.  Last day of craziness, 24 cases today.  BUT I have asked for help with movement of all stretchers.  I refuse to harm myself any further – I will truly slow down.

    It feels good to slow down – it feels normal.  I feel human today.  This is what it is like isn’t it?

    ——————–

    Back to my sister.  So she didn’t end up coming to Xmas.  And that was just fine.  It was great actually.

    Would it have been bad if she came, no.  But I think what I needed – what my husband and I needed – for Xmas of 2019 of this year.  We needed inner circle.  And that is what we got.  And it felt so good!

    So good! Just what we needed.

    I didn’t give in to my sister’s way of communication.  I stepped back, and as I stated above, I observed that this form of communicating although is the norm pattern for her – does not make it okay.  It does not need to be validated by the fact that she went through a lot, and it is from her trauma.  No.

    I offered her 2 options.  She stated: “well I probably won’t come then”

    as in to my husband’s family Xmas.  I felt anger well up.  My in laws were looking forward to her coming, even got her a gift.  She was invited of course like family.  I felt anger more so at the defiant comment, and lack of seeing how it was so.  It wasn’t about her coming or not, it is more the manner of dealing with it.

    So what did I respond to this comment?

    “okay”

    That is all I said.  The old me would have went on and on.  I would have said: “oh no, what will you do.  no come, how can we figure this out.” and then felt guilty the whole day.  Instead this year I realized she is an adult, she has her own social circle.  She will be just fine.  She wants to spend Xmas with her dog – she will – and she isn’t some lonesome orphan.  She is just fine.

    And she was.  And I was.

    When my mother in law asked where she was, and felt bad she wasn’t there – in the sense of a sweet elder person wanting her to have a good time.  I replied, oh she has plans with some friends, she is having a great time.  My mother in law looked relieved, and said – thats good.

    And it is good, and my sister did end up having plans.  And even if she didn’t my decision was made.

    I decided that back and forth and way of acting wasn’t going to be apart of my life.  I can’t and don’t blame her – but frenzied behavior led me to injury! So decreasing frenzy and angst are the only way for me.  Only way.

    Xmas was wonderful and guilt free. I thought wow – this is what it is supposed to feel like.  No mother, no sister dragging me down.  I am able to be in the moment and enjoy this with my family, MY inner circle.  I have a right to.  I deserve to.  This is what life is all about.

    ——-

    I am glad you stayed back from a cold camping weekend, and likely instead found some cozy warmth.  I hope you enjoyed quality time with your husband, and some good red wine.

    #329741
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    Good morning to you!

    1. Every time you feel a sensation or pain from your injured toe, let it be a reminder for you to slow down: toe sensation-> slow down, again and again. When you do have to move faster, do so without the rushing experience (the “frenzied energy”/”internally frenzied”) in the brain.

    Moving faster, accelerating or expediting, is like running without creating a cloud of dust as you run, dust that makes it impossible for you to see what is in front of you and to your sides.

    Expediting is like running without that cloud of dust, so you can see what’s in front of you and to your sides and you are not likely to bump into things and fall.

    2. “I have a history of indirectly taking out anger .. which makes me guilty of passive aggression as well! Doesn’t it”- I am guessing 95% of people have some history of passive aggressive behavior. I do, but it doesn’t mean that I am forever guilty. If I no longer act passive aggressively intentionally and practically, then I am no longer guilty. Same true to you.

    Once you no longer act passive aggressively yourself, by intent and in practice, in all circumstances and over time, you are no longer guilty of this behavior, and therefore you do not deserve anyone else’s passive aggressive behavior.

    3. If you endure her passive aggressive behavior, you do your part in helping her to maintain and continue this behavior, which doesn’t serve her well long term.

    4. “Xmas was wonderful and guilt free.. No mother, no sister dragging me down. I am able to be in the moment and enjoy this with my family, MY inner circle… This is what life is all about”-

    – you said it yourself: your sister is dragging you down.

    My thoughts this morning: you need to do what needs to be done to remove from your life people who drag you down, especially when the dragging down is repetitive, over time, and the person doing the dragging feels entitled to do so.

    My suggestion to see her as a puppy may very well not be practical, a nice  visual, and doable from a distance, at times, but not when she continues her passive aggressive (I’ll refer to is as aggression from now on, because this is what it is, a form of aggression).

    In your sister’s mind you deserve her aggression. And in her mind, she has the right to inflict it on you. How in the world can you possibly have a healthy relationship with a person who believes you deserve her aggression and that it is her right and duty to  inflict it on you. And if you get angry with her, she uses any expression of your anger as proof that you indeed deserve her aggression.. and you feel guilty and .. deserving of her aggression.

    Therefore, I recommend that you enforce a policy with her of No Aggression. Make sure you do not display any aggression toward her in any way, shape or form. When your voice goes up a bit and its tone gets more serious as a result of your anger, that is not aggression. If you lose control and yell at her and use hurtful words, that is aggression.

    And make sure that you do not endure any aggression from her. Tell her so, make a No Aggression contract with her, both of you signing it and allow perhaps 5 transgressions (doesn’t matter who does the transgression, it is a combined number, document those  in the contract, and enforce a no contact with her following that specific number of transgressions.

    The reason it should be a combined number of transgressions is the following: she will be otherwise motivated to point to you as the aggressor and build a case against you as the aggressor, but with a combined number, if she builds a case against you, she is building a case for a no-contact with you.

    –I don’t see any other way at this point because, again, she feels entitled to bite, it is her right and privilege, in her mind.

    anita

    #329749
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * adding: you handled her aggression this Christmas very well, excellent job with that “okay” response, and with telling your mother in law that she has other plans and is fine. Problem is her aggression is still there and will wear you down. And when you get worn down, nine more toes are in danger of injury. It is not a recorded statistic but I have no doubt that many people die al over the world,  every day, as a result of family members’ passive aggression.

    anita

     

    #329751
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

     she will be otherwise motivated to point to you as the aggressor and build a case against you as the aggressor, but with a combined number, if she builds a case against you, she is building a case for a no-contact with you.

    This does make sense to me.  I thought about if before Xmas I explained to her that her approach was causing me stress – what would have ensued.  A roar.

    “oh you always blame me for your problems, I didn’t do anything wrong.  I am not always the wrong one.”

    Years of her being blamed or being a scapegoat by my mother – and not as “favored” have led to this sort of complex for her.

    Yet, if I give in to it – it continues the role of the sick home.

    So what I pasted above makes sense.  In fact, before we went to Aruba I placed some ground rules, as did she.  And of course we both had some transgressions.  Natural to follow patterns, but I think we both caught ourselves and were able to continue.  What I observed in Aruba is the following: I take on the guilt and allow her to be “right” because I feel guilty of many years of putting her down.  But, it is a lose lose situation.  Because I don’t need to validate her by a subconscious feeling of “oh you are right, I know I always blamed you.”

    I saw in Aruba that not ONLY do I slip and have a transgression – she does too! yet all she ever does is point out the flaws in others.  Especially me.  I noticed her strange energy when we talked about dating which was not a topic to avoid on our list – but I quickly mentally noted to avoid it.  I stopped the conversation and noticed she continued on her own, but with a tone of annoyance.  I noted to myself that she is dealing with this sort of aggression and it isn’t my job to frankly deal with it.

    What’s more.  There have been numerous times in my sister’s life that people have stopped speaking to her.  Even “ghosted” her as in stop talking without any explanation.  Her 2 friends in high school, and maybe another person, and you now twice.  Twice!

    Not to say you ghosted her, those high school friends did, but point is you did not wish to continue communication with her any longer as something about it was HARMFUL to you.

    I thought about this a lot on the way to Xmas.  It isn’t a coincidence this has happened to her multiple times.  And we can’t just blame a bad childhood.  It is her.  It IS HER.

    And so that is telling, she has rubbed many people the wrong way in the past – people, like yourself, who were kind and helpful and gracious.  Sure maybe some of the others were not that way.  But at the end of the day it is NO coincidence.

    She does feel entitled to bite.

    And what is most important is the freedom and guilt-free feeling I had when she didn’t join us this year.  It wasn’t about her coming or not.  But if she had come with that weird aggression – it would have limited my freedom and space.

    Which to my last point is key-  I love and appreciate my husband when I have space and freedom.

    When I am divorced from my sick family, I am able to love my new family.  That’s simply it. 

    ——————-

    I haven’t mentioned any of the possibility of not moving to CA to my sister.  It is inner circle business only.  I don’t feel I will be able to have the conversation with her that you stated over the next week as I am finishing up work and have a few too many things going on.

    But January – is free.  And it should remain FREE.  No one should take the love for NYC away, especially not my sister.

    We will be doing our gift exchange in the near future, maybe after the new year.  And I am not jumping to make any more plans with her immediately.

    For January, and beyond – I will have the conversation and contract prepared.  As it is imperative.  I also like this idea because it allows transgressions and makes it a team effort.  There is no hierarchy, and there is no oppression.  It is 2 adults speaking and co-existing with boundaries.  I no longer feel the need to make her understand my side.  I know with this sort of conversation and contract, I won’t have to explain myself – I will simply have both of us refer to the rules.

    edit: I just saw your second post. Thank you. I know I handled the Xmas scenario well as I felt calm and collected after it.  IT felt like self preservation, and it felt like focus on inner circle.  Lastly it was self trust.  Going back to what CC really needs!

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 4 months ago by Cali Chica.
    #329777
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    “we can’t just blame a bad childhood. It is her. It IS HER”- I do blame her childhood  and it is her. Both. Same is true in the case of your mother, and mine, and most if not all abusive people. Oh, same was true to me, and .. same was true to you.

    This is a very messy world, no wonder no one, really,  turns out to be a perfectly functioning adult. And the amount of human dysfunction is astronomical. So in this world, forgive yourself for your past abusive behavior.

    Back to your sister: her childhood is her. You keep the dynamics between the two of you as-is and you maintain that childhood (that “sick home” you mentioned) in her.. and in you.

    When she says to you (and she has said it repeatedly): “you always blame me for your problems, I didn’t do anything wrong”- what she is doing is blaming you for all wrongs. See, she doesn’t do any thing wrong, not a single thing, must be that you are doing every thing wrong. This strategy worked for her before so she continues. And as she repeats it to you, she makes it work better and better, because repetition works.

    “she has rubbed many people the wrong way”- she purposefully rubs people the wrong way because she gets very angry at people. For example, when your parents in law gave her a purse as a gift, she got angry. Don’t know why she got angry, I can only guess as to what she was thinking, but her response to them was not out of ignorance but out of anger.

    She frequently feels anger and she knows that often her anger doesn’t make sense in the context of where and when she feels it. And she knows she can lose (more) people, so she keeps it pushed down much of the time, and from time to time she expresses her anger in a way that she feels she can get away with. (An anger class may help her, by the way).

    “When I am divorced from my sick family, I am able to love my new family. That’s simply it.”-

    -You have a new family->you invite her into your new family->she brings the old sick family into your new family.

    Take your time with all this, just as you plan on doing, next year. And post anytime. I know I have more to say on the matter.

    anita

    #329781
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Addition: I just noticed that you wrote that I stopped talking to her twice, but it’s not true. In her old thread, I made no suggestions to no longer communicate. I posted a friendly post to her in June 2018 and she didn’t respond. That was the end of the communication at that time- she didn’t reply to me.

     

     

    #329783
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your post, full of so many important points.

    1- It is childhood and it is her.  Just like it is childhood and it is me.  It is childhood and the person.  BUT it is up to the adult, to be aware of their actions and continue either the same way, or not.  That is the true meaning of healing and seeking a better life.  And very few can do it.  It makes even more sense to me now why so few can stick to the path.  It is not just the path, but old “sickness” trying to drag you down off of it, even if it is truly not on “purpose.”

    To remain on the path is to – remain on it.  Not feel guilt for not continuing on the dirt road below.  Not feeling undeserving of the cobblestone path that is more solitary.  Nope.  This path is the right one, and it is mine.

    2 – Yes, I will take time with this, and of course it is a work in progress.  Thank you for reminding me this.

    3- I read your addition.  Interesting.  I think she figured that you didn’t like her, or something of that sort.  We didn’t speak about that much.  Then you on your own felt that you had perhaps been to harsh or judgmental of her, and wanted to give it another try.  At this time you felt that her manner of communicating wasn’t a win-win.

    It makes sense.  And I am not hear to go through scenario, but as an older sister I look back at all the countless relationships she has had that have had many similar trajectories.

    Lastly, I would like to read what more you have to say – as you mentioned.  Of course, when you have time.

    #329795
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    #1 and 2 read very reasonable to me. Interesting I forgot about that part, that I felt that I was harsh to your sister earlier and I expressed that to her and to you when I restarted the communication in her newer thread this year. Yes, I remember now, let me access memory and see how it all connects, if it does, I will do stream of consciousness then, type away without re-arranging thoughts:

    In her older thread ending in June 2018, there was a dynamic (and I am keeping in mind to not share with you what she shared with me) where she posted very short posts that “sounded” angry to me, but I couldn’t be sure, they left me annoyed, uncomfortable. And it happened a lot, repeatedly, short, abrupt, angry-feeling posts. That built up some anger in me, over time. And I expressed it in some ways. Fast forward, in my communication with you, it “sounded” to me, from reading your posts, that she was kind and nice and really trying, so I started at one point on to regret my past anger at her. Thinking I judged her incorrected, that I misunderstood her. That she stopped replying to me because I was a b***, that is, an angry woman myself, angry at her for no valid reason.

    Next I started communicating with her and she was as sweet as can be, and a very pleasant experience followed, for me, I got emotionally attached to her, the photos she sent me, the details of her life led me to feel affection and closeness to her. There were some troubling expressions but I figured life has been tough for her, is tough, challenges and all, so I kept at it, keeping the computer on later in the day, into the evening, a new behavior at the time, so to be here (or there) for her, sending her good night messages.

    Next, something happened, what was it.. don’t remember, she got angry at me, I explained, she responded well enough, I thought the problem was over, the next day, she was at it again, and then she spit the poison (aka bite), and I knew at that point that this is not good.

    Now overall, what I think about your sister: I think I got to know her better. I think she is as sweet as can be, as delightful as can be and she is a very angry person. I figure now that I was correct regarding her short, abrupt posts in her old thread after all. She was frequently angry at me. At times during that old thread and when she participated in yours, she was affectionate and gracious, even more than you were, grateful and all. But she has another side. It is two sides at opposite ends of the spectrum, very nice on one, very angry on another, and the anger, her anger being indirectly expressed so that you are never sure, that is overall infuriating, I mean, not knowing when and where and what does this and that mean, what is she saying and where is she coming from, what does she want.

    My understanding of her now is not the same as when I renewed my communication with her this year. I was .. mesmerized by the very nice, affectionate part of her.

    anita

     

    #329799
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your stream of consciousness.  I love that term and I am glad that you engage in this with me as well – as I recall encouraging you a short while ago.  To write without worry, just let it out.

    I will highlight some things you stated:

    There were some troubling expressions but I figured life has been tough for her, is tough, challenges and all, so I kept at it

    I too felt the same way, and of course kept at it.  Obviously a different relationship I have with her.  But this same line resonates with me, feeling that she did have a tough life, so doing your all to support and be there.

    two sides at opposite ends of the spectrum, 

    This is key.  I don’t know if I have mentioned this before, but I am very wary of people who have 2 extremes.  Often I believe they aren’t to be trusted.  I never thought of my own sister this way – but I see it now. My husband has mentioned that my sister can be selfish, and so always does what she wants.  I of course defended her.  But it all is much clearer.

    She has a lot of anger, and as you so aptly mentioned, it spends most of its time bottled up, ready to explode. She also has this very loving side.  It is authentic, it is not fake.  A loving, kind, sweet person.  The issue is – she is not aware of those both sides of her.  And, the nice side of her can go to such an extreme – that it in a way self invalidates the “bad side.”  As in, her niceness is so nice, that it makes her badness less bad.  Or so she may think, or others may think at first.

    But the reality is that in life, as an adult –  I see a lot of how people cope.  I see it daily with my patients.  I see healthy signs, I see unhealthy signs.  I see myself learning unhealthy behavior of passive aggression – but working on it actively daily – esp with my husband.  I see my sister also working, with her therapist, and her own journey – but still it doesnt matter.  There is no need to excuse bites constantly.

    even more than you were

    This is an interesting line of yours.  My sister can be super affectionate and extremely grateful for love and attention and support.  It is sometimes like a puppy who hasn’t had much love.  In this way she can be the most grateful person.  And it is genuine I believe.  But with that, when the anger and lack of “coping” I will say comes up – that gratefulness can quickly jump to something else.  I like how you mentioned “even more than me.”

    This is true.  But I have had a LOT more healthy relationships in my time, and know how to regulate my behavior with people, especially new people – and have a good balance between honesty, affection, and tact — I like to think.  These are things she has always had trouble with.  It becomes more important to her at her age now, as you can’t excuse it as teenage years and the like.  So yes, as I have gotten older, I try not to come off as OVERLY this or that – as it is usually not a sign of a stable person.  Not to say that I am acting, it is just that I feel much more regulated in the way I feel and communicate as an adult now vs when I was much younger.

    Given that, I excused this behavior a lot for her, thinking I too may have been this way in my 20s.  One day all excited and best friends with someone, the next day pouting.  And then I thought back – and I realized, no.  Sure my behavior and relationships were more erratic in my 20s – but I HATEDDDD this part of myself.  And I did everything possible to change this.  As I did not like how it made me come off to people, nor did I like the way it made me feel.

    2 extremes is never good.  She has a long standing history of getting really close with someone really fast, almost obsessed.  Talking to them all the time and telling them the deepest things – just to get put off by them for some reason shortly after.  This is just like my mother.  It is an extremely juvenile way of approaching others, and in the world of psychiatry it is a sign as well.

    My husband and I have mentioned to her in the past, gently – that it isn’t always a good idea to tell people you don’t know everything all at once.  An example would be a guy she’s been on 2 dates with knows her family history and drama already.  Or a friend she just met she already is talking about taking a trip with.  Things of that nature.  I attributed it to her need for love and friendship which is innocent enough.

    I even thought it was too much when she started talking to you again, to talk so much.  Not because I judged her or you – but the concept of all or nothing.  Going from not talking at all – to talking day in and day out – that flame fizzles fast. I wasn’t surprised when she texted me all frenzied about your communication ending.  Not surprised at all.  I thought to myself, it’s always extreme with her – the flame fizzles

    And it did.

    I see her patterns now t as aberrant and erratic, extreme and unstable.  I don’t judge it, but I see the ways it harms me when I continue to support, but she doesn’t have awareness of her own characteristics.  So now I have a very good view of her, from up close and above.

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    To add: I am not saying that I am better than my sister.  It is just that I have seen the extreme attachment and all or nothing behavior in her, my mother, and perhaps a few times in my self in my 20s.  I know where it stems from, I know it comes from a lack of self trust, and self love.  I have tenderness for it.

    But now – for the first time – I also see the harm it has — on me.

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