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March 25, 2019 at 4:35 am #286171ShelbyvilleParticipant
Hi Michelle,
The image of the sun rising over the river sounds absolutely wonderful, I can picture it in my mind’s eye as I read your post. I’m so envious! I have not booked tickets to Oz yet as I heard that the best time to purchase plane tickets is 6 weeks before travel? I really do need to save up though as I’m broke, especially after paying for my course.
I can completely understand the perspective you have in relation to my ex. It looks bad, I know how it looks. I see your point, it does appear as though he gets what he wants, while I’m jumping through hoops. It’s funny, it a ‘normal’ situation – yes you would expect contact from someone you spent a romantic weekend with, but with him, it was always minimal contact anyway. He’s a terrible communicator in every sense of the word. It’s not because he’s a ‘player’ as such and he’s living his best life getting what he wants (although I know why you would see this) – I feel it’s genuinely because he is utterly clueless. He has no idea how to adult in many ways. I’m his first relationship and I don’t think he understands how it all works.
So teach him, people would say….and I have…in the past….I’d get frustrated and passive aggressive, but I started to realise he just didn’t cop…..and getting angry started to feel pointless. There are definitely reasons to walk away from this man (if I were able š ) but there are also so many reasons to try, I appreciate who he is, flaws and all. But nonetheless, I was awake most of the night and my anxiety levels rose again. Of course they did.
I can’t settle, I know that. I tried and it just pours out of me, despite my best attempts to be easy going and not desire more. But I’m with him, still in the hope it will work out. What is wrong with me, am I too childlike in my naivety? He’s an absolute idiot and it’s hurting me and yet I’m not turning on my heel and stomping off. I want it to work.
I caved and texted him about 1am today, he read the message at the time but didn’t respond. He has now responded to the request to meet so I’ll speak to him later, but honestly I don’t know how to improve this. To me, it seems the biggest waste of potential happiness for him to throw this away.
I don’t know, my head is muddled at this point.
March 25, 2019 at 7:51 am #286203MichelleParticipantHey. For those who are wondering – it was Cau Lao for dinner tonight – thick pieces of pork in aromatic noodles, herbs and crackling squares…..mmmm…..all for a Ā£1! Yep, Shelby, think you and Kkasxo would love it here, very freeing. Moving on tomorrow to be near the beach for our last leg on this trip.Ā Ā Re plane tickets, I usually book 3-4 months out when I see a good deal but Momondo has a great feature which lets you see what/when prices tend to change over time, very useful.
Hmm – so I’m not surprised you came up with a bunch of reasons/excuses for his behaviour – I was kinda expecting you to if I’m honest. After all, we tend to defend people we love, rightly or wrongly eh.Ā So let’s have a go at working through it eh, see if I can help out before I move on again.
1.Ā Does it actually matter why he is what he is?? I’m sure it isn’t because he is a player or badly motivated but the problem or reality is that regardless he has no motivation or need to change the behaviours you don’t like about him.Ā You have tried being clear on these, explaining what is acceptable instead and you have explained how it hurts you when he doesn’t do them. Neither approaches have worked, he has not changed.Ā You have tried ( kind of ) leaving him, he has not changed.Ā What else do you plan on changing – I’m not sure I see what’s left to try here. ( I’m not counting hanging around in hope rather than expectation as something realistic to try, sorry… )
2. These behaviours you would like to be different cause you enough dissatisfaction with this relationship to realise you do not want to settle with no change on his side, that in fact you do want more from a relationship. Your anxiety seems worse/no better being back with him. You also do not appear happier for the contact, actual time spent with him aside?
3. What do you actually appreciate about him? What value does he add to your life?Ā If you truly appreciate him as he is, flaws and all –Ā then you are not looking for him to change?Ā Have you told him in black/white terms what you are looking for & what has his response been? I don’t buy the first relationship excuse, I understand what you mean but if this guy was really into you, he’d be much more eager to listen to what you want and learn. It seems he has ignored this?
4. I don’t think it is childlike naivety, you are very aware of the choices you are making. But I do think like a lot of women you can be blinkered to reality, holding out hope you can be the one to ‘fix’ him, that if you hang in there long enough he will come to realise he does want a future with you etc etc. Some just find it hard to resist a challenge and for some it’s hard to choose not to invest more time in someone already have so much invested in. Some are just too damn scared to give up on what they had imagined as their perfect future, again ignoring reality. I suspect you are in the last camp…?
5. What do you plan on saying to him when you talk? I would be curious to understand why he didn’t get in touch himself. Something different would be to lay out basic groundrules for him to either agree or not, if he is that clueless about managing relationships. Something like, 1 – 2 meet ups/week, 3 phone calls initiated by him etc or whatever you deem acceptable for a relationship at this stage. Commiting to the Aus/NZ trip with you and if all goes well on the trip, moving in together when you get back. Obviously I wouldn’t usually lay it down like that but this isn’t a new relationship for you both – I think that’s the kind of thing you are looking for from him if I understand you correctly. By laying it out for him, it will be black/white as to if he sees it the same way or not. I suspect the clarity might help you both see exactly what you do/don’t want.
Good luck! Hope you get what you want from him when you talk to him.
March 27, 2019 at 12:12 pm #286629ShelbyvilleParticipantHi all,
Thanks for your last post Michelle, again itās been a chaotic week, so itās taken me a few attempts to read it through fully.
I will fill ye in however that my ex is now gone to South America. I caved on Sun night and asked if heād be free to meet on Monday evening and we did.
He informed me that he was flying to S.America the following day for about a month to spend time with some family who is also travelling there at the moment.
I was shocked. Anyway, the encounter was fine, again I enjoyed his company and laughed. I donāt know what will happen on his return, weāll see.
Iām so swamped at the moment, I can barely think about anything. Nonetheless, Iām still booking my trip Down Under and will check out the website you recommended Michelle.
@kkasxo, you still hanging in there? xMarch 27, 2019 at 7:08 pm #286669MichelleParticipantNo worries, if it helps at all, great, happy to try and help support you working through this.Ā Wow – that’s a bit of a shocker re S. America. I guess at least that makes the next month simpler for you.Ā Hope you are ok though, really glad you are going to still go to Aus, am looking forwards to reading about your adventures instead š
March 28, 2019 at 5:25 am #286707ShelbyvilleParticipantMichelle,
Youre telling me!!!! I was drinking tea at the time and nearly spat it out!
He literally booked it Sunday, to depart on tues! Thatās the kind of person he is at times. He was saying that his brother was not having as good a time as he hoped while travelling because he finds it hard to meet people, so he was going over to help him enjoy it a bit more.
I explained that actually getting on a plane to the far side of the world after spending a weekend with me, kinda doesnāt exactly send a great message and he said he never even thought of it that way and that he hadnāt heard from me all week despite him initiating contact twice after the weekend, so he figured I wasnāt looking for anything more than that. Said he didnāt know what to do. I told him that picking up the phone and calling to discuss it, would solve a lot of questions and he admitted we need to communicate better.
Anyway, while I miss him, I have a little while now for it not to be at th forefront of my mind.
How is your trip going?
March 28, 2019 at 1:12 pm #286797KkasxoParticipantHi all,
Apologies for the silence again! Iām up and down with my so called spirals again.
I think the worst part of it all is that I feel I have finally accepted that I canāt get better anymore. I came to the realisation a few days ago after my spiral. The realisation that no matter what I try to do to better my life or my mental well being I will always end up back in that same dark place.
It is a shame, it isnāt how I pictured my life going at all BUT I have accepted it now. Iām happy to go. I feel I am just buying myself some time but ultimately I know exactly where this ends. And maybe thatās okay.
Shelby – shocker for real about your ex! How are you feeling about that? I suppose in a sense it gives you some distance to allow perspective on this new situation youāve found yourself in!
March 28, 2019 at 9:57 pm #286855MichelleParticipantHey – wonderful to hear from you again Kkasxo, though sad to read how much you’ve been struggling again. I’m not convinced any of us can ever know exactly where things are going or where it ends but I think I understand what you mean.Ā I can understand feeling like you don’t have the energy to fight anymore and tbh I don’t think fighting against something often works anyway, it just ends up with you being exhausted eventually, and the stronger you are it just takes longer to get there.
So I think accepting it is actually a step forwards bizarrely, as it is only when you accept you are at the bottom and effectively give up that you actually are freed to move forwards, not expecting anything, not forcing anything, just being. That’s how it has always panned out for me anyway. And then at some future point you suddenly realise that by not trying to fight it, not trying to be better, you have somehow come through it. I’m not giving up hope for you and we’ll be here when we can help or just to listen, whatever you need. It’s just good to hear from you.
Ah Shelby, jaw must have literally dropped eh, glad you didn’t waste any tea though… I’m also glad you at least told him it’s not exactly a brilliant way to treat you after your weekend…. Though I’m a bit confused, I thought he didn’t initiate any contact after the weekend as that’s why you eventually had to cave in to doing so – but you mention he thought you weren’t interested as he’d reached out twice? Weird – and defn need to communicate better. Is he going to stay in touch whilst he travels?
We’re in our last place now before we return to the UK next week. It’s such a wonderful way to explore the world, slowly, no hurry, simple decisions – it really does bring back life to the basics of ‘where are we sleeping and what are we eating – and do I have any clean socks……!!’Ā The markets here are great fun, I’m somehow the better haggler than my other half so I’ve been practicing that and it’s actually quite good fun if you keep it respectful and remember how much better off we are. I’m not much of a shopper so it’s funny when they get all excited at first and then realise no, I really do mean it, I am really quite happy with just buying the one pair of sandals as my other ones have finally literally fallen to pieces….will be wandering off the beach in a bit, find some lunch…..they do awesome sandwiches here for less than a Ā£1 with beer, tough life eh…
March 29, 2019 at 1:47 am #286863ShelbyvilleParticipantMichelle,
You really have ignited a desire travel within me, it sounds like exactly what I would love. Basic decisions, opening the mind and not thinking too much ahead. I love markets – I remember I went to a market in Marrakech and I could have stayed ALL day, my eyes couldn’t take in everything before me!
After the weekend together, my ex did text me later the night of my return to say he had a really nice weekend but was working at home and was exhausted. I replied to that. The following day he also texted me a funny video from his home town and again I replied in a friendly tone and he replied and I left it at that. So I suppose, I wasn’t very engaging I guess. Maybe I was testing him a bit to see what lengths he would go to to stay in contact, but in hindsight, perhaps it was a bit of game-playing, which I’m not a fan of. But I also didn’t want to be too readily available,,,create somewhat of a challenge, but he’s like a deer in headlights and I should have known, if he gets the slightest hint of potential hurt, he’ll bolt!
@Kkasxo, you seem to think you are in this by yourself. You’re not. I’m right here with you and sorry, but I am simply not giving up on you and you can’t stop me! I meet you (virtually) at such an horrific period inĀ my life and I feel you have now become someone whose wellbeing and welfare I now care for. If I don’t hear from you, I worry. You make me laugh sometimes with witty things you say and you have offered me great advice and light at the end of the tunnel in days gone by.You are in a hole at the moment, that’s okay. You have a right to be. Stay there for a while, if you feel you don’t have the energy to pull yourself up right now. That’s ok too. But if you don’t come out of the hole one day, I’m just going to have to go down and get you Kammy, because we’re in this together. Remember our pact! I’m not letting you off the hook. Life is genuinely Sh+t right now, I know. But as Michelle says, we really really cant tell how it is going to turn out, within reason. A breakthrough could have just been around the next corner. You have love in your life, just hold on to that for now. I will literally hop on a plane and help you up from the floor in your pyjamas if you need me to!!!
Since I started the course, it has reduced my rumination somewhat, merely because I do not have the hours in the day to mull that much anymore. It doesn’t mean Im better or anything like that, it just means, I literally don’t have space to think right now, so look it, maybe if you really focus on finding a new place, it will distract you enough to disrupt the neurological pathway you have established by persistent negative thoughts encroaching on you.
You have way too much to contribute to this life not to let it out, some day. Whenever. But in the meantime, as my therapist says, survival is an achievement. So let’s just do that xx
March 30, 2019 at 9:16 pm #287051MichelleParticipantExactly – I love wandering around markets and even supermarkets when I’m away, easily spending ages guessing what the various things are, especially in the food sections. The mish mash of smells, colours is just totally fascinating. I think that’s a big part of why it’s so much easier to live in the moment when travelling, it’s not that you leave your issues at home but that there is so much that is different and interesting to absorb your brain that it’s relaxing without even trying.Ā I love pretty much everything about travelling and will happily spend hours researching the trip before I go just because it’s fun, curled up on the sofa, glass of wine in hand and laptop in the other!Ā It’s also a really good way for me to practice not always having to be in control – things don’t always work out how I planned/hoped/expected and so I’ve learnt (/learning still…!! ) to roll with it and accept it as is, go with it and you know what – it always works out fine, often even better! Just like life really…Ā Do you have a list of places you want to see when you go to Aus, would really love to know what your plans are??
It’s good he contacted you, I’ll let him off a little then šĀ But yeah, game-playing never gets you anywhere – the more honest you are about what you want, however scary it is to be open & honest, exposing yourself to rejection – the better the communication between you guys will be. I’m still not convinced that getting back with him now is in your best long-term interests but so long as you are keeping up that balanced life, seeing friends and making your travel plans, I get why you want to go round the loop again.
Kkasxo m’dear – how are you doing today??Ā What have you been up to this weekend? Still here for you – hoping you guys are making sure it’s sunny for when I come back next week š
March 31, 2019 at 11:45 pm #287145ShelbyvilleParticipantHi Michelle,
No set plan as such. I have a friend who lives about one hour north of Sydney in a lovely place called Newcastle and she just had a baby so I’d definitely like to go there. Also would like to travel to Melbourne and NZ, so I need to get researching.
I’m feeling down the past few days because I’m missing him while he is away, although he has been texting me and sending photos regularly. My younger brother now knows about the reunion because he happened to spot my car on the motorway when we went away for our romantic weekend- what are the odds? Anyway, we spoke about it yesterday and he just laughed. He doesn’t judge, he does his own thing and lets people do their own thing. He admitted he’s often gone back to his exes before a couple of times, but just for a ‘once off’ weekend or something like that. He says I need to keep my options open and be looking elsewhere.
I guess I just feel sad that no-one has any hope whatsoever for myself and my ex and I guess that hurts because it makes me feel like I’m less than I am. That I’m silly or foolish and everyone else in the world is right and everyone is just waiting for the inevitable heartbreak again, therefore….now I’m frightened and just waiting for the breakdown too. It’s making me sad I suppose, the whole situation. I just want it to work out, I don’t want to be hurt again either though, but my life is just a mess right now. So I’ll stay focused on my course and my new baby godson and my job. I’ve had to cancel my therapy this week because I’ve had a number of bills and simply can’t afford it right now.
@Kkasxo……Hanging in there? xApril 2, 2019 at 1:11 pm #287299ShelbyvilleParticipantHi all,
Iām feeling a bit blue this evening. So much for me keeping my cards close to my chest this time round…….Iām missing my ex while heās away and negative thoughts just keep circling around my head. Whatever one is expected to learn after a breakup, I clearly didnāt as Iām counting down to his return. Despite being busy, despite continuing with my own life, itās always there in the back of my mind.
@kkasxo, Iām gonna wait for your witty response!!!!April 3, 2019 at 1:58 pm #287443KkasxoParticipantHi all,
Life is just, awful… that is an understatement.
Just posting to say I am still here, I will catch up on everything tomorrow and reply properly!
April 3, 2019 at 4:23 pm #287465KkasxoParticipantHi all,
I can’t sleep (and I don’t think I will tonight) so thought I’d give you all a brief update.
So today I witnessed someone die.
I am so shaken, for a few hours it didn’t quite register with me, I think maybe the adrenaline? My neighbour (family friend) who is currently living in the flat above us, her mum has been suffering with end stage pancreatic cancer for the past few months. Just two weeks ago she was told that there was nothing more than can be done for her and subsequently released to come home and be looked after by nurses at home just last week Friday. Her daughter, who is very close with my mum, is a single mother of two, she has been struggling to say the least with trying to maintain a job so she can keep a roof over her children’s head and food in their mouths and looking after her sick mother. I worked from home today so she asked if I could see to her mum every half hour or so to see if she needed anything, food, drink, to use the toilet or anything. So I did, just a few hours ago her mum exchanged what would be her last ever words with me. She was so drained, unable to eat or drink as she felt sick, but she thanked me, she thanked me for coming to see to her and check that she is okay. She looked so poorly, not like how I remember her at all. About 5:45pm this evening I got a call from my mum to run upstairs (to my family friends property) as they knew something was wrong with the lady. I was on and off on the phone to the hospital, all different departments, being placed on hold until I was finally told I need to call the ambulance but it was too late.. It was too late and she took her last breath in front of us. I cannot get the image out of my head. I just cant believe it was only a few hours ago I spoke with her.
I don’t know how to gather myself right now. Her family and children are in pieces, as are myself and my mum who witnessed the whole thing.
Not to mention my wonderful ex partner of mine decided to ignore everything that’s gone on today and go off to a lovely concert with his friends. I was so upset at this point that I had text him saying that I don’t even know why I am disappointed, when I have had a really really tough day and witnessed something I wouldn’t wish on anyone, I just don’t know why I expected for him to say ‘Hun, I know I had this planned but do you need me right now? It’s been a lot to take in today’. Nope, instead he went to his concert, ignored my text the whole night and then decided to reach out to me once it was done to start an argument with me. Honestly at this point I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I don’t know if my emotions are all over the place right now or whether he is indeed being out of order.
I feel this experience has opened my eyes to a lot of things. Particularly that life is so short and can be taken from us at any moment. So tell those that you love just how much you love them. Spend time with those who truly matter to you. Pay close attention to your friends and family, give them the gift of your time, attention and love. Cherish every moment with all of your loved ones.
P.S I promise to catch up on all of your recent posts and reply properly, as soon as I have a little more energy.
April 4, 2019 at 2:58 am #287519ShelbyvilleParticipantI’m so sorry for your experience. It’s very very tough. I have had three people very close to me pass away after an illness and have seen them all take their last breath and it is so final and so frightening if you are not prepared for it.
I know it’s hard for you right now to see it as anything other than traumatic, but try and think of it this way…your poor family friend was very ill and suffering through that horrible illness and you did a very kind act by calling on her in her final hours to make her feel comforted by the company and then she gave up the struggle and is at peace now, not suffering and struggling with that awful illness anymore. She’s at peace now, as difficult as it is to let someone go, it is better that they no longer are so sick or in pain.
Well done Kammy, you did a kind kind thing and one day you will look back and know that and understand that the poor lady is not longer sick or suffering.
I’m sending you a big virtual hug (that your ex really should have given you). You deserve one. You will be okay and I hope you still look forward to living as much as life as you can before you have to one day in the far far future take your last breath, surrounded by loved ones.
Let me know if there is anything at all I can do to help. x
April 4, 2019 at 11:44 am #287589KkasxoParticipantHi Shelby,
Youāre right, it is beyond frightening because none of us were prepared for it. I suppose not like that, not yesterday. I didnāt sleep a wink last night I just couldnāt. Today was spent organising the death certificate, district nurses attending for their equipment and arranging for the funeral home to come and collect the body. I tried to help as much as I could because the poor ladies daughter speaks limited English.
I did appreciate therapy today. A lot. My little runaway reprieve. And then after therapy I went to a viewing with the man himself. Sat in silence the whole way there and back simply because I have no words for him, I am exhausted with everything. He dropped me home we said our goodbyes and off he went. Not great at all.
How are you coping with the ex being away Shelby? Are you guys communicating still?
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