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August 18, 2026 at 12:15 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460449
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
No worries!! I just thought Iād reach out just in case since I really enjoy our conversations, they provide me with an interesting perspective. Iāll add more after I hear from you again. š
Nea
August 17, 2026 at 10:01 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460445
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
I look forward to hearing more from you.
Hope you had a good day. š
Nea
August 16, 2026 at 11:12 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460411
NeaParticipantBetter said than done tho! Today was much better. I spent some nice quality time with my husband. Iām just focusing on that and being happy for my baby girl!
August 16, 2026 at 11:10 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460410
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
Hope you had a good day overall! š
It was really interesting to learn about the childhood rescuer role and adult differentiation. I can definitely recognize some of that in myself. As a child, and honestly throughout much of my life, I often tried to keep everything together. I would apologize even when I hadnāt done anything wrong, walk on eggshells, and adjust myself to manage my parentsā emotions ā both of them, but especially my dad.
That continued well into my 20s. Itās really only recently that Iāve started trying to stay in my own āemotional lane,ā as you described it. I think thatās partly why this situation feels so uncomfortable and anxiety-provoking right now. It isnāt what Iām used to. Letting my dad remain angry, not trying to resolve it for him, and keeping some distance while weāre still living in his house feels incredibly awkward. My instinct is still to somehow make everything okay, even though Iām starting to understand that it isnāt necessarily my responsibility to do that.
And yes, my husband truly did see my dad as a father figure. He really looked up to him. He would try to do things for him, especially emotionally, and I think for a long time he genuinely tried to see the best in him. My dad may have viewed my husband as a son too. At the same time, Iāve seen my dad develop similar intense attachments with other people, even people who initially were essentially strangers. He can begin viewing someone almost like family, give a lot emotionally or financially, and then if he feels disappointed or hurt, things can swing to the other extreme ā anger, disappointment, or completely cutting the person off. So I think there may be more to that pattern as well.
When I think about what ātemporary safetyā meant for me, I think it was peace ā everyone somehow getting along, even if it was only on the surface. It was also this need for my parents, and especially my dad, to see me as a āgood daughter.ā Their words and their disappointment could hurt me so easily, so I spent a lot of time trying to make sure I wasnāt the cause of anyone being upset.
But Iām beginning to realize that no matter how selfless I tried to be or how much I tried to keep everyone happy, I couldnāt control my dadās narrative of me. If he decides to see me a certain way, I may not be able to change that. I think accepting that is painful, but also important.
So now I really need to learn how to focus on myself, my own family, and my own emotional lane ā without feeling that I have to fix everyone elseās feelings in order to feel safe.
Nea
August 16, 2026 at 12:50 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460398
NeaParticipantGood afternoon Anita!
Thanks again for sharing this, Anita. The study you shared about love and family dynamics was really interesting, and I think itās given me quite a few things to reflect on.
I think what you mentioned about the need to restore peace really resonates with me too. I feel like Iām caught in this crossfire between wanting peace, wanting to stand my ground, supporting my husband, and also being so close to labor. All of those anxious thoughts seem to get jumbled together, and I start feeling like I need to somehow fix everything.
The other day I was reflecting a lot on family conflict and how deeply fights used to disturb me growing up. I think part of what Iām realizing now is that I need to do better at breaking that pattern rather than continuing to feel responsible for restoring peace whenever something goes wrong.
I also think that, over the years, my husband and I became very close with my family. He wanted that closeness too, but looking back, I think the boundaries became blurred to the point where the respect and peace that should have existed werenāt always fully there. Especially with my parents, I started noticing that even smaller things could become issues, and perhaps we had all become a little too intertwined.
I think my biggest struggle now is learning to separate my relationship with my husband and the family we are building from my relationship with my parents and extended family. And maybe part of that is accepting that my husband doesnāt have to process this the same way I do. If what he can offer right now is simply being civil, rather than letting everything go or returning to the closeness that existed before, I need to learn that itās okay. I donāt have to force everyone back into the version of ānormalā that makes me feel temporarily safe.
Nea
August 15, 2026 at 10:33 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460385
NeaParticipantAnd to add even loving my dad or seeing the value in him has been a challenge itself.
August 15, 2026 at 10:32 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460384
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
First, thank you for what you said about the maturity and insight Iāve brought to these conversations. That genuinely meant a lot to me, especially during such an emotionally difficult few days. I can also see how much time you take out of your own day to respond thoughtfully to me and to others here, and I truly find that inspiring. If I knew you in person, I would honestly love to take you for coffee and bring you flowers just to thank you for listening to me and helping me process all of this these past few days. So, for now, please accept some virtual flowers instead šš·
Itās been a very emotionally and mentally heavy day, but I do understand what you meant when you mentioned stress. My background is actually in healthcare, so I understand where you were coming from. I think after the last few days, though, I really want to make a conscious effort to reduce the amount of stress Iām carrying, especially this close to having the baby.
I think part of what has been difficult is finally seeing some of these dynamics for what they are, while also accepting that seeing them clearly doesnāt immediately make them easier emotionally.
Thereās also the situation with my husband. I love him, and I understand why he feels the way he does. But my anxiety keeps pulling me toward trying to preserve some kind of family peace. I find myself asking him to stay neutral, say hi, or maintain some basic interaction with my dad. He has told me that at family occasions he can be civil and respectful, but right now he doesnāt want to go beyond that or pretend everything is okay. I think I have to learn to accept that boundary rather than repeatedly trying to convince him otherwise simply because the distance between them makes me uncomfortable.
Interestingly, the serenity prayer you shared ā about accepting what we cannot change, having the courage to change what we can, and having the wisdom to know the difference ā is something my dad himself used to say quite often. There is almost an irony in that for me now. I think he understands certain ideas intellectually but doesnāt necessarily recognize when they apply to his own behaviour.
Even over the last few days, he made a face toward my husband during one interaction and then removed himself from another family group chat. Those things may seem small individually, but they reinforce for me that he is still reacting in his own way rather than trying to repair anything.
I think what Iām struggling with now is accepting that perhaps there isnāt something for me to fix between them. I can love my dad, acknowledge the things he has done for me, love and support my husband, and still recognize that their relationship is ultimately theirs. Maybe my responsibility now is not to manufacture peace between them, but to stop carrying their relationship around in my own head and trying to manage everyoneās reactions.
I understand that logically. Iām just trying to figure out how to actually live it, especially when my anxiety keeps telling me that if I donāt intervene, the family will never feel normal again.
Nea
August 15, 2026 at 2:23 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460370
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
I know youāll be finishing your reply later and Iām looking forward to reading it, but I just wanted to add that this situation is now starting to cause some tension between my husband and me too.
A lot of it is my anxiety and me thinking ahead to future situations. He has said he will be civil and can be in the same room as my dad, but he does not want to initiate a hello or engage in conversation with him right now. My mind keeps jumping ahead to things like holidays, family gatherings, or my parents coming over, and I keep thinking, why canāt you just say hi and keep the basic peace?
I know I probably need to stop pushing that, but Iām also married to someone who can be very stubborn when he feels strongly about something, and I genuinely donāt think he is going to change his position unless my dad initiates some kind of conversation first or acknowledges what happened.
So Iām in this really strange mental space. On one hand, I know my dad has been the source of a lot of the problems and there is a long history of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse that Iāve had to normalize and move past over the years. On the other hand, there is still that cultural Indian mentality in me of heās Dad, heās older, and despite everything he has still shown up for us in certain ways.
I think Iām struggling to separate gratitude, culture, and the fact that heās my father from the reality that some of his behaviour has been deeply unhealthy. At the same time, Iām scared of what all of this means for my marriage and future family events, which is why my mind keeps going back to it.
Thank you again for reading this.
Nea
August 15, 2026 at 8:31 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460365
NeaParticipantGood morning Anita,
I hope you have a good start to your weekend.
I read your post and am adding my reply now as a continuation of what I wrote above.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the different forms of empathy and restraint. Reading those definitions gave me language for something I have struggled to understand for a very long time. I can see how my dad can show very different levels of empathy, restraint, and awareness depending on the person, the setting, and the consequences involved. That realization is honestly very sad for me.
I think one of the hardest parts is that people are rarely completely black and white in real life. It would almost be easier emotionally if they were. When someone is your parent, you want to believe they are one of your safe people. You remember the moments when they were caring, loving, funny, supportive, or generous, and those memories coexist with the moments that made you frightened, hurt, or unsafe.
It has taken me a very long time, and I think I am still coming to terms with seeing my dad and our family dynamics for what they actually are rather than what I wish they could be.
I still remember the small moments of care. I remember all of the financial generosity too. And sometimes that generosity feels as though it hangs over my head as an obligation ā almost like because someone has done so much financially, I should tolerate things that I otherwise know are not okay. Logically I know generosity does not cancel out harmful behavior, but emotionally it is much harder to separate those things when it is your parent.
I think that is also why, whenever my anxiety flares, my mind immediately starts searching for a way to restore peace. I start wondering whether my husband can somehow help fix things or whether there is something I should do differently. I havenāt asked him about this topic for the last couple of days because I recognize that repeatedly trying to solve it is not helping either of us.
What I am struggling with now is the uncertainty. My mind jumps ahead to future holidays, birthdays and different seasons of our lives and worries that things will remain cold and uncomfortable. I keep wanting to know how this ends, even though I realize there may not be an answer right now.
My husband would still like some kind of conversation eventually. He wants the opportunity to explain his perspective, reflect on what happened and acknowledge where he could have handled things differently, while also making it clear that the verbal abuse and physical intimidation were not okay.
The difficulty is that I know my dad extremely well. I have very little confidence that it would actually become that kind of conversation. I think it would likely become very one-sided, with my dad focusing primarily on what he believes my husband did wrong and expecting an apology without being willing to meaningfully examine his own actions.
My husband has said he can remain civil and be in the same spaces, but if that conversation never happens, he does not feel comfortable initiating conversation or pretending the relationship has simply returned to normal. I understand where he is coming from, even though emotionally it is still very painful for me because they once had a genuinely close relationship.
I also really want to thank you for sharing what you experienced with your mother. Your mother and my father are obviously different people and our experiences are not identical, but something you wrote really stayed with me ā the difficulty of holding memories of warmth and love alongside memories of humiliation and fear.
I think there is a particular kind of wound in realizing that someone you instinctively viewed as a safe person was not always safe. And I imagine that is something both of us can understand in our own ways.
Thank you again for sharing so openly with me. Your post gave me a lot to think about.
Nea
August 14, 2026 at 11:59 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460363
NeaParticipantI just saw another post youāve added! Itās quite late here but I look forward to reading it in the morning and adding to my reply š
Nea
August 14, 2026 at 11:57 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460362
NeaParticipantGood evening, Anita š
Iām glad to have these conversations as well. I think there is always something we can learn from one another regardless of age or differences in life experience, and I appreciate hearing perspectives that make me think about things differently.
What you said about strategic or selective empathy is interesting. Perhaps my dad isnāt fully capable of the genuine empathy Iām thinking of, and some of it is connected to how he wants to be perceived socially. Iām not sure thatās something Iāll ever fully know.
As for whether that concern about his image would prevent him from physically hurting someone, Iām less certain. Usually someone has intervened when things were escalating, and there have been a few times when the police had to be called. So I donāt really know how far things could have gone otherwise. But I do understand your perspective that his concern for his image may create some restraint.
What is sad is that the people who should matter mostāthe ones who have been there throughout his lifeāoften donāt receive the same empathy or consideration. Yet Iāve seen him put so much energy into friendships. Many of those friendships eventually end after some conflict or behaviour, and then new ones take their place. Maybe that supports what youāre sayingāthat something which isnāt entirely genuine can only be maintained for so long.
I even saw something similar with my husband. Their relationship felt very different in the earlier years, but the dynamic changed significantly over time, especially once work became involved.
And what you shared about being emotionally fused with your mother resonates with me. That instinct to immediately think about a parentās feelings, even when they are the one who caused the hurt, is something Iām becoming much more aware of in myself.
Nea
August 14, 2026 at 3:33 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460357
NeaParticipantHi Anita,
Great to hear from you again, appreciate your time to respond to me. š
What you wrote about the dynamic between a parent who struggles with accountability and empathy and a child who becomes overly responsible for the parentās emotions really stood out to me.
Looking back, I do think I became very aware of my dadās moods and felt almost obligated to manage themāfrom childhood well into early adulthood. There was often this sense that we had to watch what we said, how we said it, whether he was already stressed, and whether something might set him off. And after an explosion, there was very little space for what it had done to everyone else emotionally.
There is unfortunately a lot of history behind that. Some of the worst incidents involved domestic violence at home, followed by my dad sometimes leaving for days afterward. I remember being left with all of the fear and sadness from what had happened, while eventually there was an expectation that life would simply return to normal. One of the last really major incidents I remember happened when I was 23, during COVID, and it involved both physical and verbal aggression. I remember thinking very clearly at that age that this simply was not normal and wondering why we all kept having to absorb it and then move on.
And yes, there has been a lot of name-calling directed at me personally over the years. I mean actual swear words and degrading languageābeing called a ābitch,ā being told to āshut the fuck up,ā āget the fuck out of my house,ā or things like, āYou think youāre my mother? You donāt fucking know anything.ā Those are just examples that come immediately to mind.
Even outside of the major explosions, trying to have a difficult conversation could be challenging. If I wanted to bring something up or was anxious and needed to talk, I would often hear that he had too much on his plate or that he didnāt want to talk about it. If I continued because something genuinely needed to be discussed, it could turn into being told to shut up or being sworn at. So I think I learned that even having a concern of my own could potentially become another situation I had to manage.
With my husband, during this recent incident, my dad called him a āfucking piece of shit,ā said things along the lines of āIāll show you,ā Iām fairly certain called him an āasshole,ā and muttered other insulting things during the confrontation. My husband did not call him names in return. That is part of why I have struggled with the idea that my husband simply should have disengaged sooner. I can acknowledge that disengaging would have been the better way to prevent further escalation while also recognizing that being verbally attacked and humiliated like that was not something he caused or deserved.
Something else I find interesting is that my much younger sister has had a somewhat different experience with my dad. She has always had much more of a ādonāt tell me what to doā personality, and she also went through a very dark period with her mental health when she was younger. I think some of what happened during that period frightened my parents enough that they became much more cautious about how they approach her. My dad can simply be different with her.
Iām genuinely happy about that because my sister and I are extremely close, and I would never want her to experience what I did. At the same time, I would be lying if I said it never makes me think, So you actually are capable of behaving differently.
I notice something similar in the way my dad interacts with friends and certain other people. He clearly can exercise restraint, empathy, and consideration in some relationships. I think that realization is part of what makes all of this complicated for me emotionally. Itās not that I believe he is incapable of those things. I have seen that he is capable of them.
Your explanation also helps me understand why, even now, I can immediately start thinking about his feelings, what may have provoked him, whether he is hurt, or what everyone else could have done differentlyāeven when he was the person who became aggressive. That sense of responsibility for his emotional state seems to have been reinforced for a very long time.
Nea
August 13, 2026 at 10:39 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460335
NeaParticipantGood evening, Anita š
Thank you for your thoughtful response and questions.
My dad, especially because of his generation and Indian roots, definitely sees counselling as something he himself would never need. Ironically, throughout our lives, he has often told us that we need counselling. His perspective has generally been that he only explodes when other people escalate or provoke him, rather than recognizing that how he responds is ultimately his responsibility.
Regarding the recent argument, the yelling did not initially come from my husband. It started over an issue with some equipment in the house. My husband was trying to clarify what he meant because my mom wasnāt fully understanding him, and because part of the discussion related to my health, he said that the focus should be on me being pregnant rather than the household issue.
My dad responded along the lines of, āDonāt tell us, we know sheās pregnant,ā and then, in a raised and authoritative tone, told my husband that enough was enough and to stop talking. My husband did not stop talking. He became defensive and responded along the lines of, āWho are you to tell me to stop talking?ā He felt that my dad couldnāt simply order him to be silent because he was in my dadās house.
From there, it escalated enormously. My dad began swearing, calling him names, repeatedly emphasizing that it was āhis roof,ā and eventually physically advancing/charging toward him. My husband continued engaging verbally and absolutely could have walked away sooner. By that point, they were both yelling.
I can recognize that my husbandās response contributed to the verbal escalation. At the same time, I donāt believe responding defiantly to being told to stop talking makes the subsequent name-calling, humiliation, swearing and physical intimidation acceptable.
To answer your other question honestly, yes, my husband has yelled during arguments with me in the past, and so have I. Earlier in our relationship, we both had unhealthy ways of handling conflict. I grew up witnessing extremely volatile arguments, so unfortunately I carried some of those patterns into my own relationship. If I became very escalated and was yelling, my husband could become escalated and yell back as well.
That was actually one of the reasons I began individual counsellingāto work through childhood experiences and learn healthier ways of handling conflict. Later, my husband also pursued counselling, both because he wanted to become a better parent and to work through grief and experiences from his own childhood. We have both come a very long way. Our arguments now are very different and have become quite infrequent, especially as we have prepared to become parents.
I think that distinction is important to me. I donāt expect my husband to have reacted perfectly in that situation. I can acknowledge that saying āWho are you to tell me to stop talking?ā and continuing to engage was confrontational and that disengaging would have been the healthier choice. But I also donāt want to fall into the familiar pattern of focusing so much on how somebody responded to my dadās anger that his own behaviour becomes secondary.
As for everyone sitting down and resolving this, unfortunately I have a very difficult time imagining that happening. My dad tends to approach these situations from the position of, āIāve done a lot for you, so thatās that,ā and does not easily acknowledge his own role. My husband, on the other hand, would want acknowledgement that regardless of the disagreement, it never needed to reach the point of physical intimidation or someone charging toward him.
That leaves very little common ground for a genuine conversation.
Thank you again for giving me space to think through all of this.
Nea
August 13, 2026 at 12:06 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460320
NeaParticipantThank you for answering that part! Look forward to your reply in the evening. š Hope you have a great day overall!
August 13, 2026 at 11:38 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460317
NeaParticipantGood morning Anita!
Thank you for showing me this perspective. I really appreciate it. I honestly hadnāt viewed it this way before, and a lot of the points you made have made me reconsider what I should actually be focusing on right now.
Iām not even wanting or asking my husband to apologize. I think my anxiety was more focused on something as small as him saying hi and trying to move forward. But even with that, he reminded me of an incident about three years ago during one of our wedding events. They had a minor argument ā I wasnāt there, so I donāt know exactly how significant it was, but it was nowhere near what happened this time. He said that afterward he did make the effort to say hi to my dad, and my dad blatantly ignored him in front of everyone, then took the other guys to go play pool and essentially left him standing there. Eventually that situation passed because my dad later approached him and tried to move forward ā not necessarily with an apology, but by acting like things were okay again.
I think part of what has kept me stuck this time is hearing everyone around me say that my husband should have disengaged sooner, stopped talking, walked away, etc. And I do understand the value of disengaging when something is escalating. His own counsellor has actually talked through the situation with him, helped him see both perspectives, and encouraged him in the future to try not to yell or continue engaging once things reach that point. We both started individual counselling when we found out we were having a baby because we wanted to work on ourselves and grow as parents, so he isnāt someone who is completely unwilling to reflect on his own behaviour.
But I think Iām realizing that I may need to stop being the person repeatedly reinforcing that point with him. From his perspective, something like this has never happened before, and I think he keeps coming back to, āWhy is so much being made of what I did when the thing that started all of this was so disproportionate and unnecessary?ā And I can understand why repeatedly hearing what he could have done differently would start to feel like the focus is being shifted onto him.
So I think what I need to hold onto is that two things can be true: disengaging earlier may be a useful strategy for him in future situations, but that doesnāt mean I need to keep asking him to accommodate or manage someone elseās explosive behaviour. He has already reflected on his part with his counsellor. I donāt need to keep revisiting it with him because my anxiety is looking for a way to make sure this never happens again.
Your point about potentially recreating the pattern I learned growing up really resonated with me. I think thatās what I need to be much more conscious of now ā especially because my priority needs to be protecting my marriage, preparing for our baby, and not carrying this dynamic into the family we are creating.
I am saying this all now and hoping it stays with me but once my anxiety flares up again I may need to reach out and be reminded by re reading these posts.
Nea
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