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August 19, 2026 at 8:12 pm #460501
anitaParticipantGood Wed Evening, Nea:
Thank you for saying that 🙂
I wish you wouldn’t lose the togetherness experience of family get- together holiday events.
The term ‘triangulation’ comes to mind as a possibility: your father gathering others in the extended family to side with him and against your husband (and by extension against you and your daughter).
I can easily imagine him doing just that 😔
As long as the gatherings happen in HIS house, under HIS roof (like he likes to say), others are likely to feel pressured to bend his way.
Another term that comes to mind in regard to your mother siding with your father is ‘trauma bonding’.
I truly believe that your husband did nothing wrong during the confrontation that was perpetrated by your father.
Often situations are complex and there’s wrongdoing on both sides. But not in what you described.
Sometimes things are really black and white.
“I don’t want to pressure my husband into accepting behaviour that I myself know has hurt me for many years just because the person doing it is my father.”-
That’s your integrity ✨️✨️✨️
Hmm.. I just noticed that you referred to him as your father (and not as ” dad”). I think it’s healthier. There’s a sentiment that’s attached to the word “dad” that.. doesn’t fit with who he really is.
You wrote about your husband: “He wants to stand up for himself”- that’s his dignity, his agency. It’s the foundation of everything that’s meaningful.
I imagine your daughter looking up to her dad (your husband) with admiration, as she naturally will. But if he looks down at himself (for submitting to your father’s domination and abuse), he’ll feel undeserving of the look in her eyes, and that will hurt a lot. I hope that never happens.
🌿 Anita
August 19, 2026 at 9:59 pm #460505
NeaParticipantHello Anita,
Thank you 🙂 I really appreciate how you framed this, especially the distinction between integrity and trying to keep the peace at any cost.
I do think one of the hardest things for me has been accepting that I can’t pressure my husband into tolerating behaviour that I know has hurt me for many years simply because the person involved is my father. I also agree that having everything happen in my father’s home, where he very much has that “my house, my rules” mentality, creates an added power dynamic.
I think part of why I keep questioning my husband’s role is cultural too. I’m South Asian, and there is definitely this strong expectation that if an older person, especially a father or father-in-law, says “enough” or “stop talking,” the younger person should simply stop. So I keep hearing versions of, “He’s older, your husband should have known when to stop.” And I do genuinely wonder whether my husband should have disengaged sooner once he could see how angry my father was becoming. From a de-escalation standpoint, perhaps that would have been wiser.
But at the same time, I struggle with the idea that because someone is older, another adult is expected to simply submit when they’re being told to shut up over what was initially such a small topic. I think that is where it became much bigger for my husband. He felt that he was being told, essentially, “I said enough, so you stop talking,” and that if he didn’t comply, anger and intimidation would be used to force him to.
There’s also a financial/cultural layer that makes me feel guilty. My parents have let us stay in their very nice home without paying rent, and we are genuinely grateful for that and have thanked them. We had actually wanted to contribute rent. But when we first moved in, my husband’s work situation was tied up with my father’s business and he was receiving very limited income, which my parents knew. We were also still paying a significant portion of our own mortgage and other expenses. My parents knew the whole situation and had asked us to stay with them.
So I struggle when the housing or financial support becomes part of the argument — almost like, “You’re living under my roof, therefore you should know your place.” I absolutely believe gratitude and respect are appropriate. But I don’t think receiving financial help means someone should have to tolerate being sworn at, called names, humiliated, or physically intimidated.
That’s why I’m trying to hold both things at once: perhaps my husband could have disengaged earlier for the sake of de-escalation, while also recognizing that continuing to speak does not justify what happened afterward.
Do you think that distinction is fair? I really want to look at everyone’s behaviour honestly rather than automatically defending either side, but I also don’t want cultural expectations around age, hierarchy, or financial support to make me minimize behaviour that I know I would consider unacceptable in any other context.
Nea
August 19, 2026 at 10:56 pm #460507
anitaParticipantHi Nea:
I’ll answer further tomorrow morning (I won’t forget!), but for now:
“I’m South Asian, and there is definitely this strong expectation that if an older person, especially a father or father-in-law, says ‘enough’ or ‘stop talking,’ the younger person should simply stop.”-
Yes, that makes sense if the younger person gets carried away with some immature, self-centered impulsivity, like ‘I want this, right now!’. The reasonable, mature elder saying “enough” or “stop talking” in that context makes total sense, and the younger person should indeed, “simply stop.”
But if of the two, the elder is the self-centered and impulsive one, the one who never matured- that’s a different context.
Anita
August 20, 2026 at 11:38 am #460521
anitaParticipantGood late morning, Nea:
“I’m trying to hold both things at once: perhaps my husband could have disengaged earlier… while also recognizing that continuing to speak does not justify what happened afterward”.
* What happened afterward: “being sworn at, called names, humiliated, or physically intimidated.”
In most contexts, it makes sense to see the fault on both sides and to share responsibility for what went wrong. Problem here is that there’s no shared responsibility. Your husband did nothing wrong.
He didn’t disengage earlier because he was trying to explain himself, trying to make your father understand, rightfully trying to protect the truth and his dignity.
Like I said before, sometimes things truly are black and white.
Giving the perpetrator legitimacy, equal understanding, or empathy in the context of them initiating and proceeding with the perpetration of abusive acts against their victim (swearing, calling names, etc.), is doing injustice to the victim.
So, no, I don’t think that distinction is fair.
Anita
August 20, 2026 at 1:09 pm #460522
anitaParticipantNea, I want to add that you don’t have to adopt my view — you get to decide what’s true for yourself and move at your own pace 🙂
August 20, 2026 at 1:27 pm #460523
NeaParticipantGood afternoon Anita 🙂
No, I really appreciate your perspective. It’s actually very helpful to have someone completely neutral to the situation explain it this way.
I think when you have a relationship with both people involved, especially when one of them is your parent, you naturally keep trying to rationalize things in a way that leaves room for empathy for both sides. But with this incident, and now especially as I’m about to become a mom myself, so much of my own past has been coming back up. I’ve been talking about this with my counsellor as well, and I’m realizing how difficult it has become for me to keep extending empathy toward someone who has never really changed, taken accountability, or acknowledged the impact of their behaviour. The kindness often seemed to exist on his own terms.
Financial security is obviously important, and I am grateful for what was provided for me. But when I look back, money was also something my father spent very generously on many people. He could be incredibly generous financially with relatives, friends, and others. So sometimes I struggle with the idea that the money itself represents this uniquely loving relationship with his children. Other people seemed to receive his financial generosity too, sometimes along with his time, warmth, and emotional empathy. With us, at times it felt like the financial support was simply part of being his children, while the emotional safety and consistency were missing.
He also used to say things like, “All this money is for you. Look at all the stress I go through for you.” But none of us asked for a mansion or for money to be pursued to the point that it consumed so much of his life. If having more and more means you aren’t emotionally present, aren’t happy with your family, and everyone is walking on eggshells around you, then at some point I question what all of it was actually for.
Another thing he has always said is that with family you can yell, swear, or behave however you want because “they’re family,” whereas you have to control yourself with outsiders. I’ve never understood that logic. Being family shouldn’t mean we are the people who are expected to tolerate the worst version of you.
And there’s an irony in it being so one-sided: he can yell or say hurtful things because “we’re family,” but if we raise our voices back, defend ourselves, or challenge him, suddenly it becomes disrespect.
So I do appreciate you challenging the way I was framing this. I think I’m starting to understand why I’ve spent so much time trying to find the part where everyone shares some responsibility, even in situations where that may not actually be the fairest conclusion.
Nea
August 20, 2026 at 2:29 pm #460524
anitaParticipantGood afternoon, Nea:
I will reply further in the evening or later tonight, but for now, as I read the following:
“Another thing he has always said is that with family you can yell, swear, or behave however you want because ‘they’re family,’ whereas you have to control yourself with outsiders. I’ve never understood that logic.”-
I immediately remembered that one time my mother told me (translated): “You think that I don’t know that I am wrong (in regard to hitting or shaming me), but what are you going to do? You have nowhere to go”
(That was the only time she ever mentioned being or doing anything wrong).
Anita
August 20, 2026 at 9:59 pm #460528
anitaParticipantBack to the quote above, “With family you can yell, swear, or behave however you want.”-
Before continuing the quote, look at what he said right above:
He’s celebrating his freedom to yell, swear and behave however he wants with family, with immediate family: wife and children.. those living “under his roof”.
Continued: “Whereas you have to control yourself with outsiders”-
He doesn’t like not having the freedom to yell, swear and behave however he wants with outsiders.
I suppose his immediate/ living-under-his-roof family provides him with something he can’t get elsewhere and he’s grateful for that.
He’s almost saying: ‘You’re providing me with the opportunity to do what I need to do: yell, swear, and behave however I want, thank you!’
And if he is to consider your husband as an insider, as an immediate family member (rather than extended family member or a non- family outsider), your husband too needs to provide your father with that precious opportunity to yell, swear, and behave however he wants.
Not at all times, only when he needs to.
Does this resonate?
🤔 Anita
August 21, 2026 at 11:35 am #460531
anitaParticipantGood late morning, about-to-become-mom, Nea 🙂
“I’m realizing how difficult it has become for me to be extending empathy for someone who has never really changed”-
A few years ago, and I shared about it somewhere in these forums, I had an image of a plant situated in a dry, arid ground, so its roots keep growing longer and longer, trying to reach water.
Similar to a child, situated in an empathy-arid home, extending more and more empathy toward the unempathetic parent, trying to reach his or her heart.
💛 Anita
August 22, 2026 at 10:01 am #460548
RobertaParticipantDear Nea
I have not been active on this forum for the few weeks, so I have just spent the last couple of hours reading the entirety of this thread.
I thank both you & Anita for showing how to gently & respectfully approach a painful & complex issue.You have spent your lifetime trying to manage & calm your fathers outbursts etc. Your husband has not had all those years of experience & training, or even understanding the unwritten rule to “pacify your father at any cost” & so that is possibly partly why he was unable to step back & disengage quickly as you & your other family members do. So please try to remember this each time that nagging thought arises, so that it does not get the chance to damage they way you relate to your husband.
It is good that you are seeing & unpacking the past/present how ever painful, so to give your child the best bet of having two loving & caring parents who respect themselves & each other. That is a rare thing to do consciously.
Best wishes
RobertaAugust 22, 2026 at 8:41 pm #460554
anitaParticipantThank you, Roberta 🙂
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