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ConfusedParticipantHello Alessa
I think i always knew that, but after a while i stopped caring if thats the case.
Yes i didnt feel like relying on anyone tbh, couldnt open up.
Unfortunately i did experience both, never one end of the equation, so i guess that left me..confused? 🙂
I can’t really feel it inside me though, as if im lying to myself.
Thank you very much for your kind words, they mean a lot 🙂Hello anita
Like i said, i think my mind is not “programmed” to receive love, it feels kinda foreign.
My mind feels like a rollercoaster these days, heavy hopelessness and despair setting in.
Its like i didnt have to care and know all those struggles of life back then, so it was much better and simpler
I am trying but i cant feel it
ConfusedParticipantHey Alessa
I guess it could have been because of tourette’s yeah. She did calm down once left alone but still.Anita
How does empathy for yourself feel like? I wonder..I feel innocence and being carefree from future struggles, freedom in a way.
I would tell him to slow down and put himself first probably.
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Well i think its either forgiveness or indifference, or…dissociation? I know i didn’t deserve it but i think i have moved past that.Ofc it was not giving her the excuse to do those things i agree.. Do you think it could still be influencing me?
Funny thing is, i cant give myself empathy 🙂
ConfusedParticipantI know but i think i’ve forgiven her and i dont hold resentment on that matter. I never hold grudges anyway, but maybe that affected me, cant be sure.
ConfusedParticipantOh i think there have been a couple times that she called me “nothing” too, when she was really angry.
ConfusedParticipantShe didnt have any specific complains about me, maybe a bit regarding the house cleaning (cause i liked to help), but she would call me words while she was angry with other things, such as “retard, moron” and other stuff, which i almost never failed to say back to her lol. It was mostly intense arguing-fighting.Sometimes she would yell at me because of school or things that i accidentally broke in the house, maybe call me lazy too. I think there were other things too, but i can’t really recall right now. To be fair, she would call me nice words, expressing her love to me, hug me, kiss me aswell, it wasnt always fighting and negatives, a mix of everything really.
ConfusedParticipantI think it did shape me in some ways (hopefully 🙂 ) but it might have not been in good ways from what is showing haha.
I would say it was chaotic at most, like we said in previous posts, but i never blamed her because she didnt have it easy either. I know she loved me but due to her own issues she couldnt express it always and in the right way. It was mostly fighting and arguing tho, that’s the main thing that comes to mind
ConfusedParticipantHmm, what comes to mind is the responsibility to not disappoint, combined with the feeling of not being good enough and not wanting to “owe” anyone. Also that they wont have anything to “use against me” in the future.
ConfusedParticipantHello anita, hopefully but it still doesn’t feel like it
It is but i dont know how to explore it.
Hmm, perhaps but i cant recall anything specific..
ConfusedParticipantA little bit weakness (like im not able to do it myself, so its devaluing me), a little bit mistrust (that they wont get it right) and a little bit like a burden (like im gonna owe them, or now they have “control” over me in a way, which i know is not true because i can refuse things, but yeah).
ConfusedParticipantIm trying but then i get the feeling that i am leading her on/im a terrible person, etc because i can’t be the one i was before that. Even tho i kinda communicated that with her (not the entire thing) and she said to just accept myself for now and not think like that.
No no, i think i don’t know what/how love feels like. I think it’s a far and blurred concept in my mind. I’ve only known how to be strong and be there for others, not how to love in general. And in romantic relationships, just the feeling of infatuation, nothing after that.
I am having a hard time to find guides that specifically get you into this state but i think chatgpt can help with that.
ConfusedParticipantHello anita!
They are calmer in the sense that i don’t feel the need to run or the feeling of suffocation like before, still lacking connection, only surface/funny things (i guess it’s because she’s also closed off right now).
I think i’ve never felt like i’m not deserving of love, just generally lacking the idea behind it.
Those are very interesting and detailed things you posted about IFS.They explain many things but at the same time its so hard to grasp it.
Have you ever done this therapy? I would like to try it out, i guess i gotta find some videos to guide me through it..wow so many parts could be hidden within us and we don’t even realize.
ConfusedParticipantBut can u feel that consciously? Because i can’t feel any of these.
Yes it was after i formed my own “mind” and beliefs, but maybe it was too late for that.
Do you suggest IFS to get to the root of all those? Btw, it’s not that my feelings of infatuation returned for the girl, but now i don’t get the urge to run when we talk, seems like i can kinda develop some deep convos lately.
ConfusedParticipantHello again
Yes it’s very difficult indeed, i usually turn the other way if i dont like someone.I think it does resonate but i never thought to give my mother’s words importance, perhaps this was a conscious reaction to a subconscious need/feeling.
How do you make it known to yourself? I’ve always valued myself according to my partner liking me, etc.
ConfusedParticipantHello anita!
I literally feel like i’ve never done that in the past so it’s foreign language to me.
Yes, i didn’t trust anything good to last, always expected things to go south at some point.
Well, how do we do that since we haven’t been taught when we were kids? I think that’s a big issue for me.
Yeah, i feel like that because my mind severed the connection, and her behaviour (colder-less affectionate, which is kinda justified) doesn’t help bridge the gap at all. I thought of that possibility, but how can we know if such thing happened? I can’t fathom this concept. It feels like i can’t feel any warmth towards any connection right now (not even friends-family).
If i do that, it feels strange/cringe and fake in a way. Like myself doesn’t believe me, it feels like something uknown to me.
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