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  • in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460688
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    Hey anita

    Well then today i was only able to “access my feelings” for like 3-4 times in the day. When we would text at night, i laughed a lot with her playfulness, i cried with something i saw (thought of her) and felt some sexual tension. Weird i can’t keep them on.

    Hmm, copilot sounds about right, but how does this go away? By me just chillin?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460677
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    Hey anita

    Yeah, pretty much. I was so hooked to her and then suddenly after 1 convo with a friend, my mind just erased her, idk how that works.

    Oh so u mean that my shutdown is my prison and those feelings are moments that my shutdown lifts?

    I’ve read and heard from friends that are diagnosed with ADHD that t-rex arm sleeping is a position that most ADHDers feel comfortable sleeping in, because it relaxes the nervous system, and when i do it i feel so much more relaxed.

    Well then, i either have had anxiety my whole life or ADHD, both are bad haha. I do have difficulties with tasks mostly and sometimes with work and time management and i think i do have chronic chaos.

    Also something weird that started happening lately, when i ride on long roads that are downhill and maybe with some curves, i get so frozen/paralyzed at some points, like when u drop from a high altitude, the same kind of feeling! Gemini says because of my mental state but idk, what would Copilot say, i wonder?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460670
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    Hey anita

    Thank you, felt okay during the day as well 🙂

    Haha, u think this could be some case of reverse psychology? I didnt think of that.

    Yes, she reminded me an old girl i was hooked with, woke up one morning out of the blue and had a message saying “im sorry i cant do it” and she had blocked me. Turns out she had another boyfriend but it took me a month to get over her (suddenly my switch flipped overnight and i didn’t even care about her existence anymore), but this still left an imprint.

    I dont know, it’s very annoying because i constantly search for this “feeling”, the high, the infatuation. She texted me today some funny reels, i sent her some too, we texted for like 2 hours and she went to sleep. Convo was very warm and loving overall, but still my mind would be: “are u laughing for real now or are u faking it? why arent u feeling it in ur bones?” and stuff like that.. so stupid!

    Maybe u are right and this whole thing could have begun back in november when i perceived that she “sabotages” us and my mind created a huge question mark saying “well, this is pointless” and i couldn’t stop it or not give it attention, it was so real. But the moments in the videocall were real, can’t fake that, the kiss, the hug in december were real! The grief i went through this whole month, me hugging the air on my bed and crying saying “i love u”, those were real!
    Maybe i dissociate because of my fears, idk how dissociation feels like to say for sure.

    Damn, i need to get better at this because i do all the things that u did to everyone, i realize it like 10 minutes after that even tho i was hearing them, i was searching for solutions at the same time, and i wanna change that.. It would be wonderful tho, yeah 🙂

    Haha, how do i put aside my mind chatter? Yesterday she was talking about all her exams/studies/achievements in dentistry and in the health department in general and she was talking and talking, i was focused on her for almost the entire time, admiring her how she managed all that because they were so hard. But then my mind started zoning out, trying to visually create whatever she was narrating in my head as an image and i was trying hard to stay connected. I told her that this thing is happening to me and sometimes it throws me off convo and she laughed, said she does it too. Maybe its an ADHD thing? Im not diagnosed but damn, i have SO MANY symptoms, t-rex arm while sleeping, hand/legs fidgeting, attention troubles, memory gaps, random bursts of dopamine and excitement, difficulty focusing, hyperfocus, near every symptom!

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460655
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    Hey anita

    Today i woke up feeling much nicer than the previous months, idk why. I was thinking of her when i woke up too.

    Yeah, i need to be lobotomized on this part, its so annoying! Why do i even bring this word up?! I wanted to convince her that she can trust me..

    You are right, i am not a robot and can’t say things perfectly, but i still hold myself accountable for mentioning the word EX when it’s such a triggering topic for her. But this time i didnt narrate any story or anyone specific so idk..

    Yeah it didnt start with her, i think it started back in 2017 when everything was going good and another girl did that to me. So now that she texted me in the night out of nowhere “hey, i dont think i can do that anymore” 3 days ago, that triggered this for me. I also explained to her that my “lie” was also a trigger reaction like her own triggers that she can’t control sometimes.

    I do expect sudden disconnection, that’s true. And the irony is that before november i wasnt like that with her, i was chill, present, not trying so hard. I will go back to that self again.

    Idk if she can see that, i hope so. But what does present mean? Listening, being mindful/etc?
    I was telling her how pretty she is and she was saying in her head “oh yeah for sure”, i know it because it slipped out of her mouth, she thought outloud haha. She said thats what she thinks of herself but thanked. I told her she needs a new set of eyes.
    But most of the times in my head i question what i say, the compliments, my mind is like “do u really like her?” and it creates a weird feeling in me. Never happened to me again to question those things, maybe thats the defense mechanism.

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460650
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    You are right, we havent talked about it much.

    I used to be satisfied with my work but after november i am not satisfied with anything.. even all those things u listed i dont enjoy.
    Idk i feel distant from him, felt like that with both my parents after 13 y.o mostly. We might see each other once a day, talk on the phone 2-3 times a day for random stuff and thats it. Cant hang out much with him because he is too stubborn to accept other opinions and he talks all the time haha. My one sister lives next to me, we send memes, go out to eat/coffee/shop, but emotionally not very close. The other one (they’re twins) is very much bonded with her but she lives in another house with her BF. We’re ok with her too, not too close tho.

    Yeah that’s what was happening most of my life actually, i don’t know why this happens with love though..

    Today we videocalled, supposedly for an hour to discuss some things, lasted 7 hours. We laughed, teased each other, there was sexual tension. We did express some other things we wanted to, she even said “well in the first week of our breakup i was holding on to the tickets, expecting u to try harder” and i said “wtf! how would i do that since u told me to fuck off-basically?” She said “well, idk, u should have!” and laughed a bit. Then i jokingly asked her if she’s single right now and she jokingly said “i dont know, probably”, so i said alright thanks for the info, ill know how i will move from now on and she said “ofc! ofc u want to chase after other girls” and we were laughing. It was very fun but i still made a dumb mistake! In the midst of my attempt to convince her that i am a “safe” person (because she said after i lied she felt unsafe to visit), something stupid came out of my mouth. I said “i don’t hold grudges and i would ofc help u if u ever needed me, for example ending up stranded in my town. I am this kind of person that would even help an ex of mine that treated me badly if she was in grave need”, but i didn’t want her to understand that i’d help any ex that called me or such. So i added “but since u are in the picture, i wouldn’t do anything, if such thing ever happened i would first tell u but i would probably do nothing, maybe send a friend to help her” she then said “well, u asked this in order to get permission from me to go help them” I said “no, if i wanted to do that i wouldn’t ask u, i am just trying to prove to u what kind of person i am, that’s why i used this extreme example” she then said “well if my ex asked me for help how would u react?” i told her that depends on the help, i would probably be fine with u giving him some help on who to call/etc, but that’s it. She laughed and said “well those kind of convos arent helping much” i told her i know but i just wanted to convince u that i would never hurt u or act negatively towards u, and she said “well if im an ex, that’s for sure”. I did ask her twice tho (one in the end of the videocall) if anything i said today seemed weird/bad to her or affected her negatively. She said “well, i dont think so” both of the times and laughed, but i know she needs like 2 days to realize if something hurt her.
    She said that she’s still on “danger mode” for me, not being able to fully trust me that i won’t hurt her/lie to her because i did it once with ease and she is thinking about it all the time now, like she has 2 different people in front of her. I told her i understand and that’s too soon, but i too have a constant fear in me, that one day i will wake up to a message of hers saying “i cant do it anymore, bye’ and ill be blocked (because this has happened to me) and since she did text me this sort of message 2 nights ago now i always have it in the back of my head. She said that she always tries to communicate what she feels with me and i thanked her for that.

    Now, why am i so dumb anita? why do i put myself in such non-existant scenarios?! Also i indeed have this fear inside me that one day she will just up and leave, no warnings. 🙁

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460626
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    Hey anita

    Yeah i believe she did, i did too 🙁

    Haha, sometimes my memory works like a clock, not often tho.

    Oh yeah i told her that, even someone else or even me could trigger things, even with silly situations. I don’t mind being there for her and helping her heal, but she has to realize and do the work if she can. She does have a lot on her plate right now..

    It was her realizing she was at fault and not wanting to admit it ofc 🙂

    Well, we’ll see how it goes if we rebuild and be patient with each other. But anyway that’s not something difficult for me to do, even tho she was worried yesterday that she’s gonna “change” me.

    Yeah i felt disconnected for the whole day, now that i got home i was thinking of her and cried a bit, thinking “my sweet babygirl” 🙁

    You could be right, since i’ve always been enjoying the rush of intense passion/etc. So maybe i have to work on myself on that and accept love.

    Today my therapist was asking me “how do u define love, not when u give it, but when u receive it?” I said mostly “pressure”, like i sign a contract that now i have to be a certain way with u forever or “i owe u” (weird we both feeling this way). She said she is clearly recognizing 2 selves inside me. One is the warm/loving/connecting side that emerged hugely during the breakup, fear of loss, etc. The other one is the doubtful one, the voice in my head that says “why do u even do all these? u dont even want her”, but this feeling of disconnection comes from me putting up a wall to protect my feelings behind it when i feel uncertainty from the other party. She asked me “what would YOU need?” I said i really don’t know, can’t recognize my needs, probably stability, commitment, expression of feelings, maybe those would start my gears again. And she said that probably when i don’t get those, my walls come up, so the doubtful self emerges and says things like “u dont love her, u dont want her”.

    My female friend also told me (she’s 40) that i woke up wrong in november, i blamed my relationship (because thats where i was drawing all my happiness from) and my mind kept analyzing and blaming the relationship, while in reality i dont like my life, so i look for something/someone to blame. My baby girl that loves me so much, how could i blame her? 🙁

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460614
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    Haha i like the emojis depiction

    I dont wanna become her therapist but i tried to give her some insight of what i think so maybe it will help her, idk if its right of me to do that.

    Thank you anita. Yeah, she refused that there might be subconscious fears that made her sabotage the trip. She said that she was excited and ready for it. Even tho in the videocall the other day she said “all u had to do was tell me ‘i dont remember’, instead of lying” and i reminded her that i told her twice that i dont remember and she was still asking and digging, why is that? She had no answer for this, just said “well….” and smirked.

    Sadly yeah, she has to do the work inside her but i was indeed the one that made it come to surface, right? So now maybe i can be there for her and show her that i wont repeat the same thing.

    Yes, i shifted the conversation and we started talking about other things, laughing, teasing each other and we had fun. Today i think i feel better, a bit happier, i even think of texting her something sweet without the previous hesitation. But there is this voice in my head sometimes that says “why u do all this? whats the point?” which disconnects me 🙁

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460607
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    Oh u mean they leave small windows open that feelings come through some times?

    Haha i dont know what to tell u honestly, i told her about that in the call and she refused hard. She said that she had no sabotaging fears at all, she bought things to bring over, spent money and made plans. I told her that those things work subconsciously and she refuses that again.

    She texted me in 2:30 AM (3 hours after we said goodnight), crying saying “i can’t do this i’m sorry, the pain and the doubts/fear is too much”
    My heart started racing instantly and i felt my stomach drop, that she will be gone for good this time. I got my shit together and started listening to her fears. It was basically trauma talking so no logic applies there. Although, i told her that it’s too soon to judge anything and we shouldn’t focus on having a relationship right now, we should just enjoy each other while we can and worry about the logistics later. I told her she’s not bound/forced to be with me, we owe nothing to each other and we should stay as long as there is love and fun, trust will be rebuild slowly if we’re open to it. She said that every time she thinks of me or us the lie i said comes in her mind and hurts her like ptsd and she cries and feels pain deep inside because she loved me and i broke her trust. I told her i am sorry and i regret it very much every day that i hurt my baby but it wasn’t that i woke up and chose this, it was my own trauma response to a situation that rose out of the blue, not to look for excuses but that’s my side of it.
    She admitted that this is a wound of hers and i told her that i thought so, but still i am the one that triggered it and maybe i can be the one that can heal it, we should give it time. I explained to her that every little thing that worries her and gives her bad thoughts, etc is ultimately because she wants control, which is an illusion. At the beginning she refused but then i said “well, look at it as a third person. You worry that i will betray u and u will get hurt, do u know if i will do that? No, u can’t know, so what’s ur next step to gain control for sure ? Avoidance, flight, reject. So this way u can control the outcome, even if it hurts. Some people go mad and stalk their partners, get insanely jealous, asking for proof all the time, each has their own way of expressing this need for control, i do it too but in my head.”
    I think this gave her some comfort and i hope it made her see what’s going on underneath all this fear.

    Then we kept texting for the next 4 hours and we laughed a lot, the air became lighter and she went to sleep, hopefully with a more peaceful mind. I felt nice having fun with her, laughing and teasing each other and an hour ago i was feeling dysphoria/numb. I guess my body reacts to drama?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460600
    Confused
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    She also sleeps with the teddy bear i sent her and is excited about it 🙂

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460599
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    Im sorry I didn’t catch that, what do u mean by this whole sentence?

    Hmm, isn’t that the same?

    Yeah it could but i need to figure out what causes that, i mean the specific reason behind them.

    Today i texted her to see how she’s doing and show her something i built, we texted all day and at some point when i showed her some cheap flights i found for cyprus to see her when she will be there, she said “we have no vehicle to drive us around here and the buses are almost non-existant” which seemed like an excuse to me so i called her out and she got kinda mad and told me about all the issues she will be facing as soon as she goes there. Family health issues that require her attention and her care, friends, family, her besties marriage, parties she is organizing about the marriage, so the schedule is hectic. I told her “Now that u finally let me into ur burdens things make more sense, u should have told me sooner so i wouldn’t draw my own conclusions. I wanna be there for you without pressuring u about “us”, focus on the other matters that are more important for now and just let us be together to have fun and blow off steam until we are in a better place mentally”. She said that “us” is also important for her and she also said she doesn’t know how the process of re-trusting goes and what we are gonna need. I told her we can figure that out together slowly, one thing at a time.
    We even got into explicit texting and felt good, she said that even tho she’s mad and hurt by me, she gets angry that she still craves me and my touch, i laughed and told her to just accept things and chill.

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460573
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    I have told her to not mention those things to me but this time and she stopped but it was me who asked (dont remember why, something about our convo went there) and i mostly said it to point out that i got jealous, even tho i might not be “feeling”, which is so weird.

    Its hard but ill try to rekindle even being like that, they say love follows actions, not the other way around..

    I have thought about it, also read about attachment ambivalence (disorganized attachment?) and what u desribe about my early environment is exactly like this. Fights, violence, some love, rinse and repeat. Even tho i can’t “feel” that i want closeness right now. The whole feeling of wanting closeness is gone for most of the time.

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460568
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    Hey anita

    You are right but how do i just accept things and act nonetheless? It feels fake/impossible? Idk, ive done it in the past and it worked but its like i don’t “remember” it.

    Well, u are right, there were moments that i wouldn’t think about her but she would always pop in my mind and i would think of her warmly and be excited to talk to her, now those are gone, but not just for her, for my whole life, this is what i keep ignoring.

    Yeah maybe that’s the normal me for now and i have to accept that and just act, like how i go to work without wanting to, i should start working out like this too..

    Hmm, i don’t feel that now, although i did feel it plenty of times in the past 6-8 months, but i know what u mean.

    Yeah, it’s not like i wanna tell those stories or else, they just happen to pop in my mind and me being talkative and telling someone many stories about me is when i feel good haha, but i will not be telling anymore of those stories again, no need for that.

    I will tell her again when we mention it, i remember i did that in june and it felt good!

    I know and i feel bad now that i am numb again, it’s like as soon as she gave me attention i felt “okay” and kinda settled and the grief is gone. Maybe i confuse grief with love and since my grief stopped (because i got hope), i think that my love is gone. A close friend of mine told me “u just don’t know how to identify ur feelings, not ur fault, nobody taught u at home when u were a kid so now u can’t recognize love”. I mean, how do i just ignore that i spent almost 11 hours (and the whole day before that texting) with a girl, felt no boredom at all and think that i feel nothing? When she mentioned about someone hitting on her i felt my whole body tightening and heat rising.

    You know, ive always used to be a loverboy, ride or die, hopeless romantic, and with her i felt like i found my person, someone that’s worth doing all those things for/with, i was so excited! And now i think of all that and it feels like an era long gone, can’t connect. Not just with her, even if i think of another girl i get nothing. I also noticed i don’t like ANY girl at all outside. But i do like her, weird.
    When i think back at the 25 july-20 august (until we talked again), i remember how bad i felt and how i was crying every day for her being gone, how i wanted to share my life with her, how i wished she came back. And now what?!?!

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460562
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    Is it normal? Ive never had it in the past, not even with her. I would feel the same excitement to talk to her even after hours of call a year ago, but that was the beginning… idk, it feels “off”/confusing because normally when u want a person and u enjoy spending so many hours videocalling, isn’t it logical to want to talk to them more? Maybe its the “criteria” that OCD sets (black-white thinking) like my therapist said.

    Yes i would look at her and tell her how pretty she is, we almost cried together at times, but still it felt like i was “faking” it, i don’t understand anita..

    Yeah i felt very bad about that too and in the beginning she thought that i don’t understand her and i don’t wanna change this. It’s not impossible or difficult, i will just refrain from telling any story of that kind ever again, i know that most people are not okay with this and it creates insecurities especially in distance.

    Same, i hope she never does it again and me changing this habbit of mine hopefully resolves that insecurity and trust issue for good.

    I told her exactly that, to apply CBT and let the thoughts and what ifs go like a cloud and she said “sadly i can’t do it it feels impossible for my overthinking. I told her how i managed that back in june on some doubts and fears of mine and how it worked (when she was telling me that she was afraid we would get bored of each other) and she saw the logic but said its pretty hard still, it’s ok maybe i can help her with that. (i will your message again later)

    Oh no no she didn’t mean it like that, she said it in an “ironic” way, something along the vibe “even tho i was so hurt by you, i still want you”, that was the tone. She also said that when we texted in the past week she was feeling like she’s betraying herself all the time which made her feel bad..I dont know if someone can get over that or if it needs time.

    I think if i stop triggering her wound with the exes and stuff the fear will go away. But my problem remains, i can’t feel like a “boyfriend”, not with her not with anyone. Normally i would think of her (or previous when i was with them) and i would feel warm/cozy, wanting to hug them, sleep with them, do things with them. Now this part of me is nowhere to be found and idk why and how to regain it. It feels like my romantic “compass” is broken or something like that.

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460560
    Confused
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    Hey Roberta

    Yeah that was my bad, i thought we were on the same boat on this but pairing that with my bad memory i messed up plenty of times because i was forgetting what i even said sometimes.

    We discussed that too and she said i am right on this and she explained why she was a bit closed off and such.
    Thank you for your reply 🙂

    Hey anita

    We had a 11 hours videocall yesterday, we discussed everything (i think), what hurt us and whatnot, we had a great time overall, we laughed, we expressed how the time apart was to us, how we were missing each other but still be angry at each other at times, etc.

    Her main issue about not getting over september was me narrating stories with exes (i know it wasn’t me being nostalgic but still, my bad) and she said that this was like twisting a knife in a wound, that’s how she was feeling every time because this was a sensitive topic for her. I told her i understand but i explained to her that i wasn’t doing that on purpose, it was my own character trait, spewing stories and information without thinking much is my middle name actually. She said “so u can’t change on that?” i told her that i will change it and will be very mindful in the future since i too know that this is not a fun trait to have. Probably my ADHD gets me first that’s why sometimes i can’t stop myself, but i told her i now understood what she means and i hope this was the thorn that wasnt allowing september to heal. That was basically the issue and also the “lie” i told her that broke us up, explained to her that this wasn’t even a lie, it was mostly a “reaction” of stubborness from me because i felt interrogated and that what she did (asking me about likes and stuff) wasn’t mature at all and basically put me in that position. She said she did it because something was feeling “off” for her. I told her how it seems to me, that she subconsciously looks for danger/reasons to not be around and she said that this isn’t the case.

    Then i expressed my own needs/issues about her being more expressive, showing love and all. She said i am right and that’s mostly her fault that she needs to work on and she will try more from now on. About the last months that i felt i wasnt prioritized, she said she thought that i would think that but she explained to me how both of those visits (her friends and siblings) were planned way back and she also told them to cut back on expenses because she was saving to visit me during summer. But the other issue i talked about was fear and pride. How she’s so “proud” with money, since i offered to pay for her tickets plenty of times and in return she would pay for mine when i would visit, to me that’s more like “i stay in my comfort zone to avoid, rather than feel obliged with money”, she said it’s purely because she doesn’t wanna feel like she owes money. I told her to stop being so afraid of everything and stop making negative scenarios about whatever we might say and she said “that i dont know if i can stop”. I explained to her how fear creates these scenarios that don’t exist or may never happen and that keeps her stuck. She acknowledged it but i doubt she can work on that anytime soon, that’s her default setting. I told her “fear disappears after u take the leap, not the other way around, u cant expect the situations to be ideal in order to do something because they will never be, we make them”

    In the end i asked her how she feels about us and she said “the problem is, i still want u 150% but i am scared”, i told her that this is normal and my main issue (according to her) about me narrating stories with exes and stuff will never repeat again if we decide to rebuild.

    Well the thing now is, videocall was great, i felt jealous over some guys that hit on her (i felt it in my whole body), but still now i can’t “feel” excitement to message her and stuff. Could it be that texting is no longer fun for me? Because 11 hours went by so fast during videocall.

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460543
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    Hey anita

    Thank you 🙂

    U are spot on with that. We had discussed this last year because i was feeling like she was “doing me a favor” every time (i know she wasn’t), because every time i would ask her “do u wanna do this/that?” she would say “yeah, if u want/ yeah whatever u want” and over time i started feeling like she’s not 100% in it so i told her that my attraction increases when my woman takes initiative sometimes and expresses herself, when she isn’t passive. And she told me that she’s a bit more “old fashioned” and wants the man to be the pursuer. I told her i am fine with pursing like 80-90% of the time but i want to see some effort from her side too, some initiative, otherwise i feel like i am with a “sheep with no will” (kinda like that, an expression we use here) that goes along with whatever i say and i don’t find that attractive at all, i want a partner that stands up to me, raises her opinions and shows me that she wants me actively, not a passive person that expects 100% from me every time. She said she understands and she will be more expressive/active but it was mostly because she was shy and it was our first 4-5 months of getting to know each other. She started saying some things (like “when i return we will videocall”/etc) for a couple months but never really followed through and then we went back to the same habits, which i’ve noticed those days we were apart.

    Why would she feel that? I dont know, she never said that but i think this would be weird considering she wants a relationship and even moreso, a LDR.
    (Yeah me too, but i thiknk it’s fear of rejection that stalls her mostly)

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