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SereneWolfParticipant
Dear Tee,
How’s your weekend going?Buckle up because this is going to be a long one 😆
I guess you didn’t want to admit it to your father out of spite, because you didn’t want him to see you as weak and needy. Maybe another reason is that he didn’t approve of “weak” boys (maybe he sent you the message that “boys don’t cry”?)…….
The thing was that he was mostly indirectly comparing. Like He’s stronger/intelligent than you. (That’s how lot of village parents are) kind of competitive with kids… They be like my kid did this, My kid did that.. etc.. it’s just how it goes here even in small town areas… All just want to protect their own ego by using kids. It’s sad but yeah…
So I already knew no matter what I do someone would do something better and there’s just no end of that. So I decided like I’m out of the competition I don’t care what my father says anymore.
I don’t need his approval. But when I stopped looking for his approval after few years when I started things by myself and doing well without his help he’s more supportive with me. Even though in my tough times my parents were supportive with me when I wasn’t be able to find a job. But the thing is they’re still comparing they see me better because some other kids in village in bad line of work and now he’s like we’re happy, You took your time but at least you’re not doing anything wrong. But there’s also a thing about it. I definitely learned honesty from my parents. (Me and my parents talked about that on call for more than hour)
So yeah… Things are complex to explainEven to this day, you don’t want her to see you in a bad mood. You put a big smile whenever you talk to her and pretend that all is well, don’t you? And your mother likes it when you wear that signature smile of yours, “the brightest smile”.
In fact, this attitude of yours:
I don’t want complaint about him or as a matter of fact complain about anything. I just don’t see any value in doing that.
…. seems to me like a direct consequence of your mother’s expectation/plea to stay silent and not to complain about your father’s abuse. There was no point in complaining because you didn’t want to upset her. Was that the reason you left home at the age of 16 – so you wouldn’t need to take your father’s abuse silently any more?
Hmm it’s not that my mother likes it when I hide, But there’s a motherly thing you know, Like if I’m sad and I just act like I’m good she just knows.. Even on the phone. So also sometimes she pretends that she doesn’t know that I know because she knows I don’t like her seeing worried. But still tells me it’ll be alright.
Now about my father.. I don’t think she wanted stop complaining and blah blah blah.. One thing I learned from my mother is always try to look the side where you’re able to do positive action without conflict. (Because of the Family) And as I said before here people just respect their father more so the wife their husbands, And she just didn’t wanted to make things worse between us. There was a time when I was talking rarely to my father (On the phone – Because It’s been years I’m living by myself) So she would just call me a tell me to talk to my father. Because my father had his own ego he’d be telling my mom that he misses me but he wouldn’t directly call me.
So my mom to me is like “one of you have be the understanding one, Now you decide”
She’s just trying our family to hold together,
And I have to respect the woman who put all things aside in her life just for a family.It’s a false way to protect your heart, which results in you being insincere and cynical. A better way would be to say something like “What you just said hurt me. Please don’t use that tone with me in the future.” So you express your vulnerability, but also your willingness to protect yourself and to set boundaries so people can’t hurt you so easily. Perhaps it can be called the way of a gentle warrior…
Hmm.. Not an easy thing to do.. But I can try and I can start by setting the boundaries which I never did before. So I’ll have to look into boundaries topic and be a Gentle warrior 😀
You can tell me more about it if you wantSereneWolfParticipantDear Roberta.
She finished her task yesterday.
But before that I did ask if she’s able to do it within the deadline, She said yes, yet still I had to give her reminder the way I did, I know now it wasn’t the right waySereneWolfParticipantDear Anita:
Okay thanks next time I’ll try that. I want to be a good leader so feedback like this would definitely help me.SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
but it’s abuse nonetheless and it is not beneficial to the productivity of the company (she didn’t yet complete the task). Plus, it doesn’t make you look like a strong manager because your subordinate … didn’t complete the task yet.
Okay so what would you do if you’d be at my place as someone who’s managing the team?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
you were indirectly but clearly rude to this poor colleague of yours. I feel sorry for her and for any other work colleague unfortunate enough to receive your abuse.
Abuse? There’s no such thing as timely responsibility? And I just tried to tell her in sarcastic way to remind her that task is due. I adore my teammates I can’t even think about abusing them.
Abuse would be if I told her “Hey That task is due, it’s been 3 days, It’s better be done by end of the day” in front of everyone.in our long communication I suggested reasons and explanations.. but none was considered by you, none received, and you remain clueless. I highly recommend that you seek quality, professional therapy. I hope that you get to the root of your anger, resolve it, and no longer reflexively attack people at work and elsewhere.
There may have been some misunderstanding. But okay I’ll re-read our thread and try to understand and reflect on things again. I think I’m lot better with my anger issues than before but yeah still working…
Thanks a lot for all your support 🙂SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
an empathic response would have been something like “Oh that’s terrible” (reacting to the news of some murder). And then proceed with a suggestion “you know, that’s why I never read news so early in the morning – sometimes they are so horrible they spoil my entire day. I prefer to start with xyz…” (here you describe what helps you start your day in a positive, uplifting way).
So you empathize with her feeling of distress, and then you suggest something which might help her in the future. But you don’t push your opinion on her (specially since she didn’t ask for your advice), and you don’t treat her as inferior to you. If you do that, you won’t sound grumpy or condescending…
That’s extremely helpful thanks for explaining that with good example
it could be because you were attacked a lot in your childhood, and you learned to close your heart and pretend it doesn’t hurt. And then you use poisonous darts to defeat the “enemy”. Maybe it’s like you’re saying “you can’t hurt me, I’ll rather hurt you“.
That’s also true yes. I think that’s why there are wounds that’s still there and also the shield so it’s me who’s not letting it heal I guess…
Yes, that was rather cynical. Was it your subordinate to whom you said that? Was she supposed to complete a task and failed to do that, and this was your way of scolding/criticizing her?
Yes she’s my subordinate. She’s supposed to complete the task and even today she didn’t. 4 days late. By saying that I was trying to remind her that better that you finish your task so I don’t have to tell you in direct way which you could take even harsh.
So, most of from what you said I think maybe yeah there’s a shield. I can’t deny that. I do use sarcasm as a defense mechanism time to time. But I think I have to protect my heart in one way or another don’t you think so?
And sarcasm is like a whole new language nowadays, so If I’m always saying sincerely what I’m thinking people would think I’m really serious person. and I don’t understand sarcasm.Now I started to think I do have the issue of expressing my emotions or share it openly
SereneWolfParticipantAlso another thing I want to mention is that I did mention that I don’t like people complaining. But still there quite a few people who told me I’m sensitive and good listener.
So it just their point of view or it’s my interest level with people?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Addy the boy, with the brightest smile on his face, definitely and with no uncertain terms- will not complain! He will not turn that smile into a frown!
Okay so thing about this is that only the people I really care and trust are able to know when that smile turns into a frown. And sometimes not even them like sometimes I think I don’t want my mom to worry about this so I simply don’t share that thing with her
outside our online communication, outside the typing of words and smiley faces, and underneath the Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy- there is a fearful Addy, an Avoidant Addy, an Addy who shuns emotional closeness
I’m also Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy in offline world as well. Because I know how to light up the environment around me. Or at least sometimes.
But it’s also true that I shun emotional closeness and I’m not sure why… Because maybe I don’t trust that easily so I just don’t get attached that much easily or idk if it’s something elseunderneath the confident, rational, sensible Addy there is… a not so rational Addy, a fearful Addy.
So I have to ask myself like what is it that I’m fearing?
I would like to welcome the Addy underneath the smile into this thread. The rational, brightest-smile, very friendly, confident, outgoing Addy needs the fearful Addy boy because without this precious, fearful boy… you are trapped in a vacuum that needs to be filled… filled with all that you are.
Also what Tee Said
It seems to me, Addy, that the reason you don’t like listening to people “complaining” (i.e. sharing about something that bothers them) is that their pain reminds you of your pain, and you don’t want to get in touch with that pain (the pain you’ve experienced as a child and youth being heavily criticized by your father). You want to quickly jump to solutions, without “sitting” with that pain, without even admitting it’s there.So, I thought about both of these things, but nothing is comping up from inside, I just don’t know how to be expressive and explain it. Maybe I buried something so deep for so long that I don’t even remember but it’s still there and I don’t know how to work on that
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I can empathize with someone who has broken their leg, even tough I myself have never broken a limb. But I can imagine how hard it is for them, and I have experienced other types of physical pain, so I can relate.
I don’t know if this explains it?
Yes, it explains it well actually, thanks for the good example.
Just today I’ve tried to empathize my friend, but the thing was that her stupidity made me little grumpy so.. Like who reads negative news (Murder and etc) super early in the morning and then be like “It felt like a nightmare”?And for work I had to speak in Indirect way to one of the colleague ” like yeah it’s not like I told you to do it 3 days before. Obviously, you have other important stuff to do” but after that I felt like I did hurt her in some way.
I don’t know why attacking like that is a reflex for me
Do you have to deal with people like them?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita
So describing the photo
I don’t have many childhood pics so I didn’t had many options 😆
But luckily the ones I have are good ones.
The photo I chose is me wearing green t-shirt white stripped with big (not too big) smile
My mum still tells me I have brightest smile.
That time I had dimples too. Not now (sucks)
And innocent looks with drape haircut haha
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Validating the person’s pain is the first step to empathy.
I understood thisIn fact, there is a step before that: In order to validate another person’s pain, we need to first be in touch with our own pain and validate our pain. We can’t be empathetic with others unless we feel empathy for ourselves first.
But I couldn’t understand this. What if we didn’t have the similar pain or experience?It seems to me, Addy, that the reason you don’t like listening to people “complaining” (i.e. sharing about something that bothers them) is that their pain reminds you of your pain, and you don’t want to get in touch with that pain (the pain you’ve experienced as a child and youth being heavily criticized by your father). You want to quickly jump to solutions, without “sitting” with that pain, without even admitting it’s there.
Hmm This is something I have to think about and ask questions to myself
Empathy is the opposite of that: admitting the pain, sitting with it, not judging ourselves for it, just witnessing it and having compassion for ourselves for having experienced such pain.
Yes I think you explained it well.
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita
But you don’t want to, Addy. All I can do is suggest
I think we have little bit of misunderstanding here. Because on another thread I haven’t updated you.
I’m working on my Inner Child Work and also as you told me like a photo. and I’m also asking questions to myself like what my inner child needs now?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
How are you doing today?stop for a while and examine the distress: what is it really about?
Hmm Right I’ll try that
you will need to manage the impulsive, impatient, stubborn, action-oriented, instant-solutions-hungry part of your brain and limit its contribution to situations that have quick solutions.
What are the good ways for managing that?
maybe Addy the boy wants to complain about his father being hard on him and attacking him with criticism.
To be honest. No. I don’t want complaint about him or as a matter of fact complain about anything. I just don’t see any value in doing that
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita & Tee
Thank you both for your insightful response. It lightened my bulb about being Empathic. I should try to be more empathic than trying to not criticize. I put some TED videos on my watchlist to understand Empathy on deeper level. Also, I think it’d also be really helpful professionally too, Since I’m in Management position so I should be listening with empathy than criticize or judge.
Tee said
“And since there is not just an expectation, but also pressure that you put on her, that’s not really kind and caring. I think it’s closer to controlling”
I agree with that because in the past I used to be kind of controlling person. And I’m still working on thatMaybe you don’t like her complaining
Yes, I don’t like when people complain and not doing anything about it.
Although now I know what you mean is really emphasizing but mostly what I do is when I listen to complain I directly go for solutionsI think the urge to change her
Not really. I may have reacted like that, but I don’t have intention to change anyone. as I said before I just listened complains and went for solutions that’s whyAnita said,
it seems like I suggested to you that there is a connection between your present problems and your childhood,
Yes. Because I was unsure and maybe I still am?
The thing is that one side of my action-oriented brain like “okay, so you know now. What now? How to solve that?”
(I think it may or may not be side effect of working at so “Fast paced start-up” I don’t like this word anymore because getting things done right away mentality)
But another side of my brain knows that these things (Like CEN) take time to heal. Taking small steps and figuring things out (Example: today I knew that I have to work on my empathy skills)
One part of my brain is very impatient, and one part is patience so that’s why I’m unsure and you feel I had a change of mindstop redirecting your criticism of your father to ===> your virtual girlfriend (and possible future real-life girlfriends). You know how it feels to be criticized… don’t do it to the woman in your life, or to your future children, in the name of being a “very caring person”, be it a very-caring-boyfriend/ husband, or a very-caring-father.
Yes, you’re right thanks for point that out. That’s why I have to work on my empathy skills because I’m realizing just because I’m being hard on myself, I don’t have to be hard on others. I need to be more compassionate with others and myself.
this is what criticism (the boldfaced)
Yes, I agree. I’m getting better at not listening to others criticism.
And also, lately I’m talking to myself positively instead of directly attacking myself with criticism.Addy
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Thanks for your suggestion.
“He wouldn’t stop sticking to his old thought and values. so why waste that energy?”
I’ve said that for a reason. like he’s old and grew up in different environment much different than my girlfriends. That’s why I said sticking to old thought and values. and as his kid I can’t tell him how to be improve himself. That’s not in our culture.Another thing. Girlfriends are also friends. and I’m very caring person. so as same age and advising them to improve when they complain about like “uugh I feel so tired I should’ve slept on time last night” is fixing?
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