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June 8, 2021 at 12:39 am in reply to: I do not know if I just want to be heard or need some feedback/advice #381182
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ParticipantDear Kibou,
I am happy to read about your progress and lessons learned, and most of all, that you don’t suffer from the wound of abandonment, that you suffered from at the beginning of this thread. One of the topics we were discussing here was your tendency to rationalize pain and negative emotions. That’s why I am glad that you learned to approach your emotions differently:
I learned that all of my feelings were valid and justified.
I learned to name the emotions I am feeling.
I was able to see all of my strengths and other good traits, and not hide what I have to share in fear of hurting someone.
I learned to voice my needs (still practicing a lot). I learned to reach out for help.
I learned to say no. I learned that I was over-giving and hence the love I gave was not always “authentic.” (Sometimes it was more for my needs than others).
This is amazing. It seems to me that you’re healing not only your own trauma but also the trans-generational trauma. For example, you became aware of the pattern that you mother exhibited: over-giving, sometimes giving from the place of scarcity rather than abundance. Thanks to that, there’s less chance that you’ll be continuing this pattern in your own life and transfer it unconsciously onto your own children, should you have them.
I am really happy for you Kibou. I believe you’re a beautiful, gentle soul, with so much love and compassion for others. Now that you understand yourself better and are able to voice your emotions and needs better – I see how you can make so much good in the world, fighting in a balanced manner, from a place of abundance, for causes that are dear to your heart. I see a great potential in you, and a big, open heart, coupled with a big, bright smile 🙂
I truly wish you all the best, Kibou, on your journey ahead <3
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ParticipantDear Jack,
I accept they’re sleeping together, I accept they’re going out on dates, and there’s nothing I can nor will do about it, because at the end of the day, it’s her choice whether she wants to leave him or not.
I’m actually half-expecting they’ll stick together, and she’ll probably tell me to back off – which I will.
Other than all that, there’s nothing else I can do.
You seem to leave all the decisions to her – whether she wants to stay with her boyfriend and break it off with you, whether she decides to keep cheating on him once he leaves, or whatever other arrangement she may choose. It’s all on her, and “there’s nothing else you can do”.
In reality, you could do a lot of things, specially since you say you’re just playing it cool, but in fact it’s hard for you. Which means you do have feelings for her, you’re not just looking for something casual, even if that’s what you told her.
One problem, as I see it, is that you don’t want to appear vulnerable, so you’re pretending it’s fine with you, whatever she chooses. But what would happen if you’d actually show that it’s not the same for you? What would happen if you’d tell her to choose between the two of you, or you can’t be with her?
So what on Earth does she want?
What do you want, Jack?
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ParticipantDear j,
since you didn’t have sex, there is no basis for him pressing any charges or considering you a rapist. None whatsoever. But in your mind, you feel guilty, exaggerate your responsibility and believe you deserve to be punished:
I feel as though I am not allowed to have friends if they don’t know what I’ve done. My first instinct is to isolate myself because that’s what I deserve. I feel like I’m not allowed to enjoy things because I’ve shown a pattern of problematic behavior and it would be wrong of me to feel happy. I know I did a bad thing, and I feel immense guilt and shame over it. Even now I feel like I’m making things sound less harmful to make myself look better and I worry I’m not reflecting properly.
You might have exhibited some problematic, rash behavior, under the influence of drugs and alcohol. However, when you say “I know I did a bad thing, and I feel immense guilt and shame over it“, you believe you actually coerced a man into having sex with you, which isn’t true at all. You even think that you’re trying to sound less harmful here on the forum, and that in reality, your misdeed was much bigger. So you’re having an unrealistic picture of what happened – you’re harshly accusing yourself of something you didn’t do.
That’s a part of your OCD, it seems – having a compulsion to confess things you haven’t done and feeling guilty for things you haven’t done.
This could be related to your childhood. Were you condemned a lot as a child, and often told that you’re guilty for various reasons?
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ParticipantDear Ben,
my relationship with my parents is/was confusing.
Perhaps a part of the confusion is that they never fought, at least not in front of you, but once they had a fight, it resulted in a nasty divorce:
My parents divorced, loudly and hatefully, when I was a child. It’s something I’ve never faced down or fully processed.
The first time I saw them fight, it resulted in divorce. I don’t know what to make of any of this.
It seems you didn’t really form an emotional bond with either of your parents. It’s not a child’s fault, but the parents’ fault. It’s like you observe your parents from the outside, almost like two strangers, but don’t have any emotions towards them. You’re not angry or resentful – that’s not the reason why you never reached out to your father (or vice versa) or didn’t go to his funeral. Rather, it seems like the lack of emotional bonding.
Your father felt like a stranger to you. He probably showed minimal interest in you, he was physically present but emotionally absent. You said he drank a lot of beer – so he was probably a drunk already then, but a functional drunk – he went to work every day. But beyond that, he seems not to have been involved much in family life, nor in your upbringing. He had a relationship with the bottle, it seems, and there didn’t remain any interest in you.
Your mother was passive aggressive, you say. She didn’t dare to challenge his drinking openly, but would do “mean things” to him while he fell asleep drunk in front of the TV. If you never saw them fight, it means your mother must have suppressed her anger for 14 years, until she couldn’t any more. Maybe she disassociated from her pain, but she disassociated from you too? Maybe that’s why you couldn’t form a bond with her either?
When did she become religious fundamentalist? After the divorce? Because it seems that a “righteous” person wouldn’t tolerate a drunk and useless husband, unless she was taught to be obedient and look away?
As anita says, it seems there was a lot of emptiness, a lot of emotional neglect going on. Would you say this is true? Emotional neglect can be as devastating as emotional abuse (“sin” of omission vs commission…). Perhaps that’s why you’re confused, because there was no direct abuse, no one yelling at you and beating you up, and yet it felt abusive and hurtful, so much so that your “cup” was filled to 95% already in childhood. Does this sound true to you?
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ParticipantDear Jack,
I am sorry things are complicated between you…
Have you talked about what’s going to happen with the two of you – is she going to leave him? How do you feel in this entire situation?
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ParticipantDear Javier,
the neurotransmitter examination has basically proven that your stress level is very high, while the “feel good” hormones are very low. It’s good that you’ve been prescribed a medication and a dietary supplement to improve that. What about liver inflammation – will you be getting some medication for that?
I like how you sound in your reply to Sarah – much more positive than before:
But first and foremost, I’m working on myself, because I have felt dead inside for a long while, and it’s unbearable
You have felt dead inside, but it seems you’re open to changing that, to start on the healing journey, step by step.
I need to “heal” myself, I need to conquer all my fears and get rid of my demons. I’m not responsible for my mother’s pain and sorrows, but I can try to ease it.
Just take it slowly, you don’t need to conquer all your fears, at least not immediately. But you can be aware that some of your fears (of dying, of your mother dying) have to do with your childhood trauma, and so as you work on that, your fears will subside too.
Also, as I said, try to “unblend” from the helpless and desperate part (it seems you’ve managed to do it in your last two posts). Whenever your mind wants to go into the old program of “I feel dead inside. I feel useless and full of fears. Nothing makes sense. It’s all my fault.” — tell yourself that this is just one part of you. But it’s not the entirety of who you are. The other part wants to heal and get unstuck, wants to experience more than the dark hole that you’ve suffered from so far. And most importantly – this other part is capable of healing, of filling the dark hole with love, of feeling joy in life again!
We had a “coping” session, where all incidents from my childhood were addressed and all thoughts and feelings were noted down and listed. For each negative incident, I had to note down a positive incident. This session was to remind me that not everything from my past was negative and awful and to remind and feed my subconscious mind with positive memories.
It’s good that you remembered that not everything in your childhood was negative. Last time you posted, you said that because of that session (I believe you meant that one?), you’re stuck in the past and are missing everyone from the past – basically, that remembering good moments from your childhood only caused you more pain. But I hope that was just temporary, and that you can cherish those positive experiences without them causing an even bigger pain. Try to remember the positive experiences as truly positive and be grateful for them, rather than regretting that you’re not young any more, thereby annulling the positive experience and adding it to the negative “bunch”.
By this week, I will start doing breathing exercises and mindfullness.
That’s great. Start gently, don’t force yourself. And please post how it is going, or whenever you feel you need some encouragement. I too am praying and rooting for you.
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ParticipantDear Kate,
As a child, I was insecure of my looks and was made fun of or not treated well by other children at times. My parents really supported me but faced comments from my distant relatives.
It’s great that you have supportive parents, who don’t criticize you, either for your looks or otherwise. It appears your insecurity stems rather from being teased by other children, and by distant relatives making inappropriate comments. When the latter happened, how did your parents react? Did they reassure you that you’re fine and there’s nothing wrong with you?
Growing up, I have tried to work on myself to accept the way I am but my insecurities pop up at times.
How is it nowadays with your insecurities? For example, do you see yourself not pretty enough, and due to that, in danger of being cheated on/abandoned by your boyfriend?
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ParticipantDear Carly,
to answer your question right off the bat: no, you haven’t ruined your life. You did make a mistake marrying your husband, but you don’t have children together, and so with some juggling, you can separate from him never to have to meet him again.
It appears you never had support from your parents, they didn’t believe you when you complained about being bullied and people spreading rumors about you. They invalidated you and your experience. And I guess it’s been happening your entire life. That’s why you were attracted to this man, who was “the only person who would listen to you”.
He sounds narcissistic, by the way, because you say he’s charismatic, he has a fake persona and easily manipulates people, and he’s selfish and controlling. Perhaps he was “love bombing” you in the beginning of your relationship – showering you with praise and attention? If so, that would be a typical narcissistic behavior.
It seems you first wanted to escape from your parents and ended up with your husband, and then you wanted to escape from your husband back to your parents, but they didn’t let you come back. It seems both your parents and your husband are abusive and don’t care about you. The only way to help yourself is not to seek their help but separate yourself from both and start your life anew.
I’ve been applying for jobs for over a year now and no one will get back to me. I’ve more than lost hope of ever getting out of this mess. I feel like no matter what I do, no matter how hard I reach for something, I’ll always be met with disappointment and failure.
You were indeed met with rejection and disappointment whenever you reached to your parents. That’s why you formed a belief that it can never be different for you, and perhaps that you are a failure too. The experience with you husband “proved” the same. But it’s a false belief, based on your so-far negative experiences.
The truth is that you deserve love and understanding and compassion and success in life, but you’d need to let go of the childhood programming and start loving and trusting yourself. You’re only 24, the whole life is in front of you, and you can make it a better, different experience than you had so far.
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ParticipantDear Kate,
I believe that one of the reasons why you’re afraid of your boyfriend cheating on you is that you have pretty low self-esteem. You said about your second relationship:
In my second relationship, the guy was really critical of me. He would consistently comment on my body weight, height ( I was quite shorter than him) and looks. He would tell me you are not beautiful but your nature is good. That really affected me mentally. I became too insecure of myself and was not at all comfortable in my own skin. I felt ugly and irritated all the time.
Since you stayed with this guy and tolerated him criticizing your looks, it tells me you have low self-esteem and that a part of you actually believed him when he said those unflattering things. That might be why you were insecure and jealous of that other girl whom he had a crush on (although a part of your jealousy seems justified – if he was actually lying and manipulating you), and why you’re now jealous of every girl who may come into contact with your current boyfriend.
It could also be that your strong sense of insecurity didn’t really start with your 2nd boyfriend and his comments, but earlier, with your parents? (you said you didn’t want them to see you with your first boyfriend, so I guess they are pretty strict and perhaps judgmental?)
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ParticipantDear Javier,
I am sorry that the stay in the clinic didn’t seem to have helped much.
How was your medical checkup? And the neurotransmitter measurement? What are the conclusions?
After my last session, I’m stuck in my past. I miss everything and everyone from when I was a kid. My family, my friends, my classmates, my teachers, my relatives, the good times. I miss being young and full of life.
What did you do in the session? It appears you went back to your childhood, but somehow remember it only in positive terms, even though you suffered pretty much as a child. But it seems you remember only the good times, and forget about the bad times, and this exacerbates your sense of loss…
What I think is one of the main problems is that you’re completely identified with the part that is helpless and feels guilty for everything. There are more parts of our personality, but you’re completely identified with that one part. In order for therapy and healing to work, you’d need to “unblend” from that part. You’d need to step back and realize that this helpless and guilty part is not the entirety of who you are. You’d need to access your true self, which is beyond this helpless, guilty part that you’re stuck in.
One quality of our true self is the ability to witness and observe all of our thoughts and feelings, and all of our parts – without judgment. So if you can observe the helpless and guilty part, but not identify with it, that would be an important step in your healing.
One of the ways to develop and strengthen the witnessing part is to stay in the present moment, breathe slowly and follow your breath as it goes in and out of your nostrils – in short, methods used in mindfulness meditation. Would you be willing to explore that more?
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ParticipantDear Ashmitha,
I am sorry you had another disappointment. But it’s great that you talked to him beforehand and honestly expressed your concerns and also your needs. That was a huge step you did for yourself – so well done!
He said everything was unintentional and hard to see without taking a step back and evaluating it.
This I feel is again one of his manipulations. He’ll always find some excuse why he cannot spend more time with you, he’ll always find some justification. Like now: you agreed to have a date and he cancels in the last moment, but not due to an emergency that he really needed to tend to, but do to a family event that a) he probably knew in advance about, and b) is not super important either, because it’s a prayer for his cousin’s mother who passed away 2 years ago.
I am almost sure he knew about this prayer in advance, since he’s so close to his family, they probably informed him. If it was really important that he be there, he could have arranged a date with you for another day, say Sunday. But I guess on Sunday he has other family obligations, which he doesn’t want and doesn’t dare to cancel. You say it wasn’t the first time he cancelled due to his family, so clearly, they are his priority, even in unimportant things, which he definitely wouldn’t need to tend to.
In this situation, I could see how it wasn’t his fault since it was his family. But I feel they are so demanding of his time. This has bothered me early into dating. And he doesn’t have a backbone so he doesn’t say no to them. I don’t see this changing either.
Actually, I think it’s his fault because he most probably knew about it, but thought he’d be able to skip it, but then as soon as his sister texted him, he agreed to go and cancelled your date. Which means, as you say, he isn’t able to say No to them, and if he isn’t willing to change, he’ll always prioritize them before you.
If you were to get married, it would be a nightmare to have a husband who’s so much controlled by his parents and his family, while his wife almost doesn’t have a say. She’s just there for sex and raising the children, and is given hardly any respect and appreciation, and isn’t considered in important decisions. This I see as a real threat if you’d marry this guy, unfortunately.
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ParticipantDear Ben,
good to read from you again, glad you started your own thread!
I think it’s helping because I’m so uncertain about the validity of my own feelings. Simply being told “Yes, you are suffering, this is valid and real” gives me something to hold on to. It means that there’s something I can try to fix.
Isn’t it ironic that I worry about my feelings being “all in my head”? Of course they’re in my head- that’s where feelings happen.
Did you have people in your life tell you “it’s all in your head” and try to invalidate your feelings, i.e. your pain?
If you’d like to share some more about your childhood and your relationship with your parents, please do. It might help understand the unhealthy dynamic and how you were hurt…
I understand your need to drink – alcohol soothes the pain… And your pain stems from childhood, that’s almost sure. So if you’d understand how exactly you were hurt and how your needs weren’t met, it might help you deal with your pain in a different, healthier way.
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ParticipantDear Felix,
So do u think i should just let go of the past mistakes (such as showing off to prove that i’m rich, posting something embarrassing on my instagram stories & posting to prove that im wealthy)…. like should i just let everthing about it go without thinking anything? Like completely let go without analyzing anything. Because i still feel uneasy as i still saw it as an unsettled matter. I tried distracting myself by doing something else, but will end up thinking about it when i stop doing the activity.
I see. You’re not able to let go thinking about it, there’s a thought playing in your mind that keeps you agitated and you can’t focus on anything else. What might be happening is that your obsessive thinking actually has a protective function. It might be protecting you from doing something else, perhaps something productive and constructive, because you believe that should you start doing something productive, it would turn out you’re not good at it, and it would cause you pain.
If this is true for you, then obsessing about past mistakes and past events is a defense mechanism. It keeps your mind busy and doesn’t allow you to try new things, and potentially embarrass yourself. Do you think this might bee true for you?
It happens often with people with lack of self-esteem – they often sabotage themselves from trying anything new, because a part of them is afraid that they will prove to be a failure. So they don’t even try.
If this is behind your overthinking and the inability to let go, you’d need to become aware that one part of you is afraid of failure and sabotages you from trying anything, sabotages you from even wanting to accomplish anything. You’d need to step back from that part, in your mind, and realize that you’re more than just this fearful part. There’s another part of you that wants to advance and develop and thrive, and you want to embrace that part more. If you feel this is applicable to you, we can talk more.
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ParticipantDear Ben,
you’re very welcome. I see you feel some shame around suffering from PTSD since you say you haven’t experienced war trauma directly. But in fact, there’s a subset of PTSD, called complex PTSD, which occurs as a result of repeated, “smaller” traumatic events, like having a difficult childhood. Complex PTSD (c-PTSD) is also called developmental trauma, because it happens during our formative years and it affects our adult life significantly.
So don’t feel “less than” or unworthy of calling yourself a trauma survivor. Because that’s what you are – a trauma survivor. A nasty divorce and everything that preceded and followed it can definitely cause trauma for the child caught in the middle…
On top of that came recent losses and tragedies in your life, which spilled your cup of pain and you cannot contain it any more. You cannot bear it, it’s too much for you. I totally understand.
You say “Nothing has helped me so far.” Have you tried therapy, and if so, what type? You said you went to rehab too. How is it now with your drinking? Do you have some support, e.g. are you participating in a support group?
I think it would be best if you’d start a new topic, so that we keep this thread for Sparky64, if she wants to return to it and share some more. To started a new topic, go to Forums-> All Forums-> then pick a Category (e.g. Tough Times), and then New Topic.
I would love to hear more from you.
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ParticipantDear Javier,
how are you? Are you done with the medical checkup and returned home?
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