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Dear Dougaldog,
you are welcome. Wishing you well!
TeeParticipantDear Dougaldog,
I feel for you, it’s not an easy situation. Since you have stayed with your partner, who is an alcohol addict, for quite a few years, I am wondering if you have experienced something similar in your childhood – perhaps one of your parents was an addict, or unavailable/unreliable for other reasons? You’re welcome to share some more, if you feel comfortable…
I agree with anita that your partner most probably won’t change just for you. Since she isn’t even willing to admit that she has a problem, it’s likely that she’ll keep doing it until she can. Your love cannot convince her, unfortunately, as it is usually the case with all people suffering from addiction.
So you would need to find the strength and courage to let go of her, which I know isn’t easy, not only because you love her and have hopes for the future, but also you don’t have anywhere to go at the moment. I believe you’d need to work on both lessening your emotional attachment to her, and also empowering yourself to be less financially dependent on her. Neither is easy, but can be done… If you’d like to talk some more about your situation, specially your childhood and upbringing, you are more than welcome.
TeeParticipantDear Sam,
I’m emotionally tired and really needing a place to vent, but if anyone has any advice about how I should handle them, that would be great.
I don’t know if you’re reading this, since you haven’t responded to anita, but I understand your frustration. You’re trying to help your family members, but they refuse help, they refuse your advice, even though just days earlier they were complaining to you, even raging, about somebody mistreating them.
I know the feeling: my mother complains a lot about having so many chores, and she is already elderly and gets tired easily. But when I suggest she could hire someone to help her occasionally (she can afford it financially), she refuses. She rather complains, portraying herself as the victim. This is just a small example, but she has been doing that forever, always finding reasons to be unhappy, and yet never doing anything to help herself.
I’ve learned to let go of trying to make her happy and help her, because it’s in vain. She’d rather be miserable.
With you, I believe you too would need to learn to let go of trying to help, because it seems like your family members prefer to remain in their anger and rage, portraying themselves as victims, rather than do something to help themselves. You’d need to let go of the urge to help them, even though it’s a normal urge – to help the people we love and care about. But sometimes it’s just impossible, and the only thing we can do is to disengage – for our own good.
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November 19, 2021 at 12:29 am in reply to: Boyfriend’s weird fantasy, dont know how to feel about it #388833TeeParticipantDear Rachal,
you are very welcome. If you decide to go back to India, it will be specially important that he resolves the issue with his parents, i.e. accepts that they may never approve of his marriage with you, and learns to live with their “disappointment”. I hope he manages to achieve that with the help of therapy. I wish you two all the best in your future life!
November 18, 2021 at 11:36 am in reply to: Boyfriend’s weird fantasy, dont know how to feel about it #388786TeeParticipantDear Rachal,
Yes, we are only happy and content because we are living in US and tend to forget about this problem but we have planned to tackle it once B is done with his therapy that he has just started. I dont know after all this how do I leave him but if not that then probably we will have to take couple therapy because I am still disgusted and dont know how ro feel about and what to do.
It’s great that your boyfriend has started therapy, to deal with his issues related to his parents. Is he clear on the goal of therapy? What would he like to achieve? Is it to be able to better cope and eventually resist his parents’ pressure, and feel free to enjoy his relationship with you?
Also, what about your plans after graduation? Do you want to stay in the US or return to India? Do you both wish the same?
I think these are all questions to consider. Perhaps at this point it would make sense to give it some time and see how his therapy is progressing. His sexual fantasies might lessen too, once he resolves the core issues with his parents.
November 18, 2021 at 3:31 am in reply to: Boyfriend’s weird fantasy, dont know how to feel about it #388743TeeParticipantDear Rachal:
You said his sexual fantasy might be related to his parents stuff but he first brought this fantasy up 6 years ago when his parents knew nothing
It’s strange that he has been hiding your relationship for so long. Does it mean he only told his parents about you 3 years ago, and that’s when “the parents fiasco” happened? They have never even met you (his parents havent even met me they dont even know me), and yet they have been rejecting you since day 1. That’s bad. I guess he knew they wouldn’t approve of you, and that’s why he has been hiding the relationship. Am I right in thinking that?
If this has been going on for 12 years, it means that his inner conflict might have lasted since then. One way of dealing with the inner conflict could be to create a split in his mind, where one part of him doesn’t like you and wants to humiliate you, like his parents do. That way he could still be with you, and at the same time stay “faithful” to his parents too. I am not saying this is what’s really happening, but it can be, based on what you’ve shared.
his mom has alwsys been the one taking decisions on behalf of the family always and my boyfriend to avoid conflict has always given her an impression that she is in control of his life too
If he has the need to keep her happy by doing what is expected of him, that’s a recipe for disaster. You don’t want to get married to someone like that. He’d really need to solve this issue and stop seeking approval from his parents.
he said there is no way I will blame you or look at you as the reason for all this because the reason is only me and my parents and not you,
Rationally, he knows you’re not to blame, but subconsciously, he is still seeking approval from his parents. As long as he doesn’t sort that out, it will affect your relationship and your marriage. If not in other ways, it may via his sexual fantasies, in which he is disrespecting you.
may be I am overthinking or may be not I dont know. I dont know may be I am thinkimg too much and feel drained!
No, you’re not overthinking. You are right to be upset and cautious about your common future. The way things are now, it’s not good. He’d need to sort out his relationship with his parents and stop seeking their approval (and even cut ties with them if necessary), otherwise you’ll have problems in your marriage, unfortunately.
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November 18, 2021 at 1:11 am in reply to: Boyfriend’s weird fantasy, dont know how to feel about it #388740TeeParticipantDear Rachal,
you are welcome. I am not anita, btw 🙂
The situation with his parents does seem pretty complicated. You said you’ve been together for 12 years and living together for 4 – does it mean they have been against you all this time?
I dont know if I should neglect all the good things in him and the fact that he has kept me so happy throughout 12 years or should I go ahead with not getting involved with this man at all? I am in a big dilemma because both of our families have been involved and everything.
When you said this, I thought your families were tightly knit and that’s one of the reasons why you are in a dilemma. But it seems the opposite is true, since his parents don’t like you at all:
his parents are against me and they have stopped picking up his calls, his mother writes to him every now and then accusing him of ruining the family name and ruining his dad’s health,… they just dont wana agree to this marriage
That’s pretty bad. The conflict with his family, which has been ongoing, seems like a much bigger cause of stress than his work stress… He is forced to choose between the woman he loves and his parents, whom he loves too, but who see you as someone who is ruining their family. Perhaps this conflict even has to do with his sexual fantasies, in which he basically wants to humiliate you and degrade you to a sex object — it might be a part of him who wants to please his parents. I don’t know, just a thought…
So definitely, a lot of therapy is needed… But also, how are you feeling in all this? How are you feeling about his family being so mean to you and rejecting you?
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November 18, 2021 at 12:31 am in reply to: Boyfriend’s weird fantasy, dont know how to feel about it #388738TeeParticipantDear Rachal,
it’s understandable that you are upset and disgusted and feel disrespected, because asking such things of you is really disrespectful. He asks you to disassociate love and sex, and that it’s completely normal, whereas it is not normal at all:
he said no I dont want you to fall in love you will love me and only me please dissociate love and sex and I was like I cant for me sex comes only after I am in love I cant just have sex with anyone but he kept telling me like its normal and fine
It’s not normal, although perhaps it is for him. Does he separate love from sex? Is he perhaps having sex with other women beside you, or watches porn, or something like that? I am not suggesting he is, but simply that if this is what he believes, perhaps he doesn’t or wouldn’t have a problem being unfaithful to you either.
he apologised and said these are just fantasies and he wouldnt ask me to actually go out and do it he said he just wants to play it in his head like a roleplay and he wouldn’t ask me to do anything I am not confortable with.
Well, pleading you to do it and convincing you it’s normal sounds like he really wanted you to do it. At least a part of him did. I believe he’d need to see a therapist and figure out what lies behind those fantasies, because I imagine that they won’t go away. Specially if you get married and have children, he’ll be under even more stress, and you said that stress is what triggers his sexual fantasies. So if he learned to self-soothe through sex and sexual fantasies, including those that are disrespectful and humiliating to you, it’s something he’d need to work on in therapy. If I were you, I’d talk with him about it and demand that he deals with those issues before you get married.
TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I don’t know if you’ll be reading this, but I would like to say that I understand you and your motivations, and that I don’t think you deceived anybody here on purpose. I know that in case of trauma, people sometimes don’t remember exactly the timeline of their abuse, and have things mixed up in their memory in terms of what happened when. But besides the mixed up dates of when exactly you met Christopher and when exactly he broke up with you, I believe you told the truth of what happened, and that he indeed treated you badly and caused you a lot of suffering.
This doesn’t mean you had no part in creating the situation, because obviously you stayed with this guy, who wasn’t treating you well, and you had unprotected sex with him. But as I said before, you did it because you didn’t love and respect yourself enough, and you hoped that he might end up loving you and respecting you some day (which was the longing of your inner child). All that is a consequence of your childhood, of having being abused and put down by your parents, and developing a strong need to get love and validation from people who remind you of your parents.
That’s why you stayed in bad relationships, where you didn’t respect yourself, nor did the men you were with respect you. In the relationship with Christopher, you respected yourself so little that you 1) offered to hide from your family and the rest of the world that he is the baby’s father, and 2) you stayed with him even after his despicable behavior during your pregnancy and miscarriage. It was him who broke up with you eventually, not vice versa.
But it isn’t your fault because you didn’t know better – your own emotional wounds prevented you from standing up for yourself and leaving this selfish, callous man. I trust that you suffered greatly at the hands of this man, while at the same time being unable to untangle yourself and let him go. That’s why I must say I don’t agree with anita when she suggests you exaggerated some things – I don’t believe you did. Rather, you allowed bad things to happen to you because of your past wounding.
I do hope you continue to seek healing and deal with your childhood emotional wounds as well. If you ever wish to share your thoughts and feelings again, you are welcome.
Wishing you all the best!
November 14, 2021 at 1:53 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #388555TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
you are welcome. I hope you do find some benefits at your new workplace, and indeed, more possibilities for socializing and doing the things you like, such as volunteering.
There are large parts of my childhood I simply do not remember. My sister and I will chat sometimes, and she will bring up something that happened when we were kids. Often I just do not remember the event at all.
We usually remember things that emotionally affected us in some way, be it negatively or positively, so I guess if you don’t remember too much, you weren’t emotionally invested in a lot of what was going on in your childhood. Perhaps because you were disassociating, i.e. not really feeling your emotions already then?
My mother was always a bit emotionally distant. She rarely spoke of her feelings or her emotions. We (my sister and I) did feel that things were often left undiscussed. What I mean is that if something we did upset her, we would talk about it but then that was it. She would speak her mind, and we could speak ours, but it never go too deep. (I know that I’m not articulating as best as I should be here.)
You mother didn’t show emotions to you – that could mean she didn’t show joy while she was around you, taking care of you, spending time with you, playing with you. If the mother is cold and detached and doesn’t show warmth and tenderness, that can be devastating for a child. It registers as rejection – and it could lead to you concluding you aren’t good enough and there’s something wrong with you. And you stopped reaching out, because your mother wasn’t responsive. It can easily lead to depression because when our parents aren’t happy that we exist, then nothing really makes sense, there’s nothing to look forward to, there’s nothing that can bring us joy…
That’s why games like peekaboo are so important, because the parent rejoices every time he/she “reappears”, they are so happy to see us. If your mother didn’t really play with you, this could have very well caused depression quite early on…
If that’s the problem, it can be resolved, by simulating being a baby and playing peekaboo, e.g. with a therapist open to such exercises. CBT won’t do the trick if the wounding happened early on, before the rational brain (neocortex) even started developing.
November 13, 2021 at 12:45 pm in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #388541TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
welcome back, good to hear from you! How did the move go? Are you satisfied with your new job?
As I said, I don’t question your words, I trust that you wouldn’t invent these things, but that truly, the women you are attracted to are quite similar (perhaps professionally successful, but emotionally insecure, with low self-esteem, sometimes depressed). And that they see you as a great guy, but you don’t see yourself as one, and after a while you leave.
The other problem seems to be that you can’t seem to get to the root of your emotional problems (specially “lack of empathy and lack of feelings of love”), and that you don’t recall anything disturbing from your childhood, which might have led to those problems:
I am filled with sadness and pain. I have never found out why. 15 years have passed since I first walked into a therapists office, and while I’ve learned techniques to manage my depression, I’ve never been able to find it’s possible emotional roots.
I hoped he could unlock some memories from my childhood that may be have hindered my emotional growth.
Do you really not recall any instances where you felt hurt by either of your parents? Or where you felt scared, or misunderstood, or treated unfairly? Do you remember your childhood pretty well, or do you feel there are large parts missing and you don’t have memory of it?
TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I would just like to clarify something – your anger towards Christopher is justified too, because he did behave despicably. When he found out you were pregnant, he was not only not thrilled, but he also told you that he wouldn’t like to be known as the baby’s father:
Because he didn’t want anyone knowing about my pregnancy, I stupidly told him then we could take a break from each other so that we can throw suspicion from him. he gladly jumped at this.
That’s pretty horrible, considering that he knew you weren’t using contraception. It appears that from the moment you told him about the pregnancy, he wanted to jump ship and cut ties with you. He didn’t want to have anything to do with you, and behaved like that (not taking you to the hospital, not calling you back, not offering to pay for medical expenses, not visiting you while you were recovering, going partying with his friends and pretending as if nothing happened…). Which is despicable.
You however, due to your low self-esteem and the inability to stand up for yourself, unfortunately allowed this behavior. Your heart was breaking at his insensitivity, you needed him to be there for you, and yet, you told him that he is free to opt out. And he gladly accepted it – because he is that kind of guy: selfish, callous, insensitive.
As I said before, a part of you (the rational part) knew you can’t expect much from him, and I guess this is what you were communicating to him: that he can opt out, that you can take care of the baby alone. At some point you even blocked his phone and stopped calling him when you realized he wasn’t happy about the pregnancy:
During my pregnancy after our conversation, I had resolved that I would do it myself. I couldn’t stand another episode such as the one I had with my first pregnancy. I can never force a child on anyone. So I blocked him from my phone. and just stopped calling him.
So a part of you was allowing and accepting his selfishness. But another part of you was hoping that he would still come around, that he has a heart, that he would finally start caring… That’s the inner split in you.
Maybe that’s why he told you he thought this wouldn’t be so difficult (breaking up with you) because you behaved as if you were strong, as if you can take care of things on your own. But that wasn’t true – you were in fact very vulnerable and you needed him to be there for you, but you didn’t show it to him till the last minute (and you have put up with his selfishness for 2 years). And when you finally showed him, when your body was in pain and you needed his help desperately – he was surprised and ran away! Totally despicable behavior – to leave a pregnant woman alone in her pain and disappear, but it was in line with his character, unfortunately. Your tragedy is that you have tolerated his selfishness for too long, hoping he’d finally come around…
We’ve already talked about the reasons why you’ve tolerated his selfishness, and why you didn’t respect yourself enough – it’s because of your childhood and upbringing. I believe that in order to truly heal from Christopher’s abuse, you’d need to look at the abuse and mistreatment you suffered as a child. And express and process that anger too, and learn to stand up for yourself etc.
TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I am so sorry that your family was so unfair to you, that they treated you like a black sheep and accused of all of their problems. They felt better about themselves when they would put you down and denigrate you:
There was a point in time when everyone took joy out of bashing me. Because i was different i was used as a yard stick for badness. My own siblings would comfort each other by saying you are better off than Elizabeth.
They have also falsely accused you of the things you haven’t done:
I have heard my own father accuse me of lasting after my brother inlaw because i exposed his infidelity. My own sister accusing me of wanting her husband when i had never ever shook hands with him.
My other sister get so pissed that she got laid off instead of me. My father accuse me of being the cause of my sisters being laid off as well as his own retrenchment.
I can imagine how horribly alone and unloved you felt. To experience such bullying and hostility from your own family, from those who were supposed to love you and protect you.
That’s a terrible trauma, Elizabeth, but the good news is that you are determined to help yourself and heal… and you can heal, I promise you.
You said earlier:
When I started my journey of emotional healing I had no idea just how deep the wound run. Because I learnt a long time ago to self soothe, I never really paid attention to my feeling as I felt like me coming unhinged will be a great inconvenience to the people around me.
How did you self-soothe as a child?
I have suffered depression for so long but no one in my family knows. My sister once said to me my feelings are not important enough for them to care about.
That was just one more reason to feel unimportant, unseen, like nobody wants to know you and what’s really going on with you.
So I kept putting Bandages all over my heart. I tucked away and swept everything under a carpet. I never got upset or spoke up about what I wanted because I was worried that they would leave me.
I guess you didn’t dare to express your feelings and stand up for yourself in your adult relationships either? You were hurting but said nothing? That’s why you probably stayed with Christopher for 2 years, while knowing he is rather selfish and wouldn’t be there for you when you needed him.
One of the first steps in healing, besides accepting yourself fully, is to feel all your emotions. It’s best to do it in therapy – to allow yourself to feel your anger and your sadness and your disappointment and your disgust – at various family members for treating you so poorly. You don’t do it to their faces, you don’t knock on their door and start accusing them and attacking them – but you allow yourself to feel your anger in a therapeutic setting. Because validating our emotions is so important for healing.
Anita has already mentioned that your anger at Christopher probably stems from a deeper anger – anger at your own family. You have all the right to be angry at them, and you can process it in therapy. And when you’ve worked on it, you can decide what kind of relationship you want to continue with your family. Are you in touch with them, btw? How is your relationship with them at the moment?
My family scares me. My parents scare me even more.
I can imagine that, specially if you’re a little girl, who needs their protection and soothing, and all she gets is bashing and accusations. Now, as the adult Elizabeth, you have the chance to say No to their abuse and protect yourself. To cut contact even.
My biggest fear is they dont have my back.
They don’t. Not only that, but they are hostile towards you (The things they say about me behind my back are awful.) It seems they behave more like enemies than a loving family. So you’d need to set boundaries in your relationship with your family members – maybe with some of them you need to reduce contact to zero. To protect your mental health, and also to show that you care about yourself, that you value yourself. You are not a doormat for anybody, not even for your family members.
TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
My whole post here acknowledges what you have said here. I have sought professional help. It’s a long road but please help me get there. I need a lot of help. I admit that.
It’s great you sought professional help, and that you are aware of those patterns in your relationships. The first thing on your path to healing would be to try not to beat yourself up for making those decisions. Those were half-conscious decisions, influenced by your subconscious drives, hopes and dreams, in other words by your inner child’s longing… by her longing for love and appreciation. That longing was valid, only directed at the wrong person… But now you know why you were attracted to the wrong type of person…. so try to forgive yourself.
Tara Brach has a term “radical acceptance”. Accept absolutely everything that happened, how things turned out, that you made some mistakes, that you didn’t know better at the time…. and that it still hurts and it’s hard to let go…. Accept yourself with all that baggage…
When you can do that, you will have found a place of compassion in yourself. From that place of compassion you can start relating to your inner child. You can be a loving and supportive parent to that little girl, give her love and validation she is longing for, and tell her those encouraging words that she needs to hear.
But for starters, have compassion for yourself and accept yourself fully, with all your perceived flaws, because that’s the beginning of healing…
TeeParticipantDear Elizabeth,
I have been reading over all the posts I made over the past month or so. and I have seen a trend. as sad as it sounds, I think I have been trying to fix my first relationship because all four men I have dated in my life have been a replica of him. my first ghost.
Usually when there is a pattern in our relationships, it’s not that the first guy traumatized us (although it can be pretty significant too), but it goes even further back, to our childhood. It’s the emotional wounds from our childhood and the unmet emotional needs that drive us to try to satisfy them in adulthood. And we try to get it from people who remind us of our parents. Anita talked about it already.
I think you’ve described the main problem here:
Growing up, I noticed that my parents had very little regard for my opinion and even less interest in getting to learn about who exactly I was and my thoughts. What made it worse is my parents were the type who would use your pain to manipulate you into submitting into acting in a certain way or to them. I may have been young, but I had a strong head on my shoulders. Had my parents taken time to get to know me, they would have realised that I was capable of taking care of myself. Being a precocious child, my body developed much faster than most. and so from a young age, I started being propositioned by men old enough to be my father. Which is disgusting if I may add.
I found out pretty early in life how frustrating it is to try and get someone to notice your intellect when their focus is on your body. That offended me so much so that I felt like I needed to fix these disgusting men. And there lay my problem. I would give men who found me physically appealing a chance all in the hope that I would win them over with my genuineness and kindness into seeing me as much more than a sexual object. That they would see me as a person worth taking seriously and not some sexual object.
You were attracted to men who saw you only as a sexual object and didn’t care about your intelligence and your other values, such as your kindness and genuineness. And the reason why you were attracted to those superficial men is that you craved recognition from people who reminded you of your parents – this is how our emotional wounds work.
Your core wound seems to be one of not feeling valued for your intelligence and your true self, but being seen as a sexual object. The wound of unworthiness. In order to heal that wound, you’ve been trying to prove yourself to various undeserving men.
The real solution would be to give validation to that little girl who felt unseen and unworthy for who she really was. You, the adult Elizabeth, would need to be the parent to that little girl and tell her how brilliant and amazing she is, how proud of her you are, how worthy and special she is. This is what she needs to hear. That’s how you can liberate yourself from seeking to hear those same words from men….
How does this sound to you?
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