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  • #296639
    Valora
    Participant

    I think Anita said it all and said it well. I’m sorry to hear about what your girlfriend has been going through lately, but I agree that your plan is a good one and that you should stick to it.

    My ex broke up with me during a rough time in my life, too. Everything was exploding around me at the time, including a custody battle that was beginning with my daughter’s father. My ex leaving right then, though, allowed me to build a strength that I feel I wouldn’t have built if I’d had him to lean on rather than leaning on myself, and I have NEEDED that strength to get through this. Meanwhile, he likely wouldn’t have been able to handle this battle well and it likely would’ve made us both even more miserable. So sometimes even leaving during difficult times really does end up benefiting the person more than staying would have. I’m telling you this because I hope it eases any guilt you may be feeling about leaving during a struggle, but you still won’t be leaving her high and dry anyway as she will have time to find a place and she will truly understand that the relationship is over. I think this is a good thing for both of you. Good luck and stay strong!

    #297793
    John
    Participant

    well, haven’t done it yet 🙁

    Of coarse more drama with her and her family or life.  I’ve been waiting for the right moment and there isn’t one like you’ve said.  Always something.  Always some reason that everything is shitty.

    I think last night was really the final straw for me.  I came home from work, picked up all the kids like I always do.  Then I did some chores outside.  Then chilled for about an hour or so watching tv and all the kids did too.  When she got home she was irritated that the dishes weren’t done (we made it a chore for my 12 yr old daughter) and it felt like she was pissed and bitchy.  So I helped her and then my buddy showed up to move some car stuff over to his house.  “how long is it going to take” she asks.  I didn’t know?  an hour? 3 hours?  depends on how everything goes.  So she seemed irritated about that.

    Well we got done.  I stayed at his house for one beer, then told her i was on my way home and was nice enough to stop and get her smokes since she  is broke again.

    When I got home she asked me “who was all there?” in a shitty voice.  I told her that it was just my friend, his wife and kids.  Then I told her that my friend and his wife invited us to dinner.  For us though it was tool late and we don’t have the money.  She asked ” how can they afford to go out”,  “they just bought a house and are getting a tractor and…”

    Seriously!  What is it her business?  I told her when your household makes over $150000 a year, things like that are possible and that for us, we don’t make that so….

    She was bent last night.  She gets so focused on everyone else’s crap instead of worrying about her own life.  And I feel like i have to explain myself for anything I do or don’t do anymore.

    the thing that really sucks is before her.  When my friend would ask me out, i would go.  if i had my kids or not.  it wasn’t an issue.  With her, there is always something.

    So last night sitting there bickering with her.  I realized I’m done.  I’m really done.  She works on saturday, so I think that is a optimal time to make it happen.  I’m going to move all my shit into the RV that I need for clothes and stuff.  I’m going to move my bathroom shit in there too.  Then when she gets home i’m going to tell her that we need to talk and that we just don’t work.  That we have too many differences and that I’m unhappy, my kids are unhappy, she is unhappy even if she won’t admit it.  That we are all suffering.

    She keeps referring to other couples that have blended families that they are “so in love” and would do anything for each other.

    I need to tell her that we tried and tried and tried, but we can’t “Make it work” that if it was meant to be then things would fall into place and not be like this.  that I can’t give her what she needs and she can’t give me what I need.

    I will tell her that I am going to reside in the RV for sleep, I will stay in the living room to watch TV and she can have our room and bathroom.  That I will take care of my own laundry and my kids shit, and she can hers(that’s one of her bitches..  “I’m always doing laundry and folding clothes”-I tell her everyday to make the kids fold and put away their own laundry and she won’t).  The last thing is that I will cover all household bills(well i do already) and she will just share her food(she gets 500 dollars in food stamps) with us.  Or if anything we can do separate  food and have her give me $200 of her $500 or something.  That might even work better cause that’s another issue with the kids is food.  and when to eat and if they can have snacks and what to buy.

    So many problems with us.  I don’t know how she doesn’t see this.  It feels like we are both on eggshells everyday.

    I was really thinking a lot about everything.  I think if neither of us had children, then we would be great together.  But the fact that we both raise our kids so differently with certain things.  It’s hard for both of us to conform to the other.

    a couple good examples is her kids for instance.  They constantly yell and argue with anything, then it’s throwing tantrums and fits.  Her son is especially bad.  He yelled at my 8 yr old the other day in the car because he couldn’t get his seatbelt buckled and she told him and tried to show him what the problem is.  My point is that with my girls, if they started to have any kind of attitude, I would have them go to their room until they were over it, then they could talk to me.  No yelling or arguing with me and throwing things and slamming doors like her kids.

    Also with her and her kids.  She has always been the type that they eat dinner by 5:30-6:00 and the kids are in bed by 7 or 8.

    only fair that I show the bad of my kids too.  so…

    With me and my girls.  I let them get away with a little more than i should.  Sometimes stay up late, sometimes not do chores, whatever.  But in my defense.  When I do ask them to do something, they do it.  They don’t give me problems.  My girls actually respect me.  Before my girlfriend moved in, they cleaned their rooms every night, helped out, ect..  I think that she bitches so much it causes them to rebel and not want to help.

    With me and my girls, i’ve always been the type “we will eat whenever I cook”  sometimes its 6:30, sometimes its 8:30.  I never had a “set in stone” bed time.  I did try to get them to bed by 9:00.  Sometimes we would have late nights, especially at the beginning of summer when it’s light outside until 9:30-10:00.  But again, my girls always listened and did what i said.

    I like to spoil my girls too.  Not “princesses” but if the need stuff, i get it.  If they need money to go to the movies with a friend, i give it.  I was raised up as the “poor kid” who couldn’t ever do anything.  IT SUCKED!  I really think between that and not having a strong male figure in my childhood is what caused me to be insecure about myself and not be a strong, confident alpha male type of guy.  Instead i’m the “nice guy” that always lays down for everyone.  I DON”T want my girls to be like that, i want them to be strong and assertive and confident.  NOT bitches, just confident in themselves.

     

    WOW,  i really kind of exploded here.

    I have to go.  I really am going to try to do this this weekend.  Please give me strength to do what I need to for me , my girls, and my girlfriend and her kids.  This relationship is not healthy for any of us.  Thanks

    #297813
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    This is the part of your plan which I think is a good plan:

    “Saturday.. I’m going to move all my sh** into the RV that I need for clothes and stuff.. my bathroom sh** in there too… I will tell her that I am going to reside in the RV for sleep, I will stay in the living room to watch TV and she can have our room and bathroom. That I will take care of my own laundry and my kids sh**, and she can hers.. I will cover all household bills … we can do separate food”.

    You wrote: “Please give me strength to do what I need to for me, my girls, and my girlfriend and her kids. This relationship is not healthy for any of us”-

    – if you follow your plan, you will build the security-about-yourself,  the strength and confidence that you wish you had, “not having a strong male figure in my childhood is what caused me to be insecure about myself and not be a strong, confident alpha male type of guy. Instead I’m the ‘nice guy’ that always lays down for everyone”-

    – how else will you not be that “nice guy” who lays down for everyone unless you stand up from where you are lying down and take care of business!

    You put quotation marks for “nice guy” because you know, don’t you, that a guy who lets his kids suffer is not really a nice guy. You know that a guy who lets himself and a struggling woman (who you should refer to as your ex girlfriend, not current) suffer more, is not really a nice guy.

    “I’m unhappy, my kids are unhappy, she is unhappy.. we are all suffering“.

    A truly nice guy ends the suffering of others, first, he ends the suffering of his own children, then he ends the suffering of her children, of her and of yourself.

    Be that guy, John, the truly nice guy who is also strong, confident and assertive. Do it no matter how scared you feel, and how even more scared you will feel. Don’t give up or give in. When this is over you will feel better about who you are and your life will get better for it.

    anita

    #299127
    John
    Participant

    Well I didn’t do it saturday.  You won’t believe this, but she had a shingles break out.  First time either of us has seen something like that.  She had to go to urgent care to find out what it was, so that kind of took over the day/night.  Then I kept pushing it off.  Waiting for the right time.  Well there is not a right time to do this.  Also, her friends birthday is coming up and we are supposed to go over there saturday night.  Her mom even offered to take her kids for the night.  I feel horrible about all of this.  So yesterday I made plans to go over to my buddies tonight and to drop off a car at his house, then trouble shoot his garage door opener for him.  I told my girlfriend that I was going to do that.  She got upset.  “what time?” she asked.  I told her probably around 5 or 6.  Then she got all pissy.  she said something like, you just going to have dinner out there then go to the bar or something!  And was bothered that I didn’t ask her to go with me.  I explained to her that she has been really tired lately physically and drained and I thought she would have rather stayed home and rested, specially since she was supposed to work 12 hours on Saturday.  She was still mad.  She said “you just don’t want me there”  “admit it”.   So that’s when it happened.  I told her “you’re right” “I don’t want this” and I told her that I wanted to break up.  I told her that I wasn’t happy and haven’t been happy.  That I need to be by myself to learn how to make myself happy.  That if I’m not happy with myself, how am i supposed to be happy with her.  That I felt like we fought all the time and the kids fought all the time.  She keeps trying to tell me that that is normal.   I told her that i don’t feel things that I should.  for example her and I had some time alone the other night.  I should be ecstatic to have that.  Instead, i just feel normal.

    She got upset and pissed and went full circle with emotions and accusations.  She even thought that i was talking to or seeing someone else.  I told her i’m not and I haven’t talked to ANYONE about us except for her.  Anyone meaning any of my friends or family.  I guess i’ve been talking to you guys, but i don’t think that counts??   Anyways, I told her I have been fighting this for some time now and I have kept going back and forth.  That this isn’t fair to her, me, or the kids to keep doing this “break up/make up” thing.

    She said she has no money, no where to go, and doesn’t make enough to be able to live on her own.  I told her she can stay here and I will stay in the RV when my kids aren’t here.  and that I would pay all household expenses.  she said she can’t live here because she still loves me, is in love with me and can’t be seeing me, staying at my house.  But right now she doesn’t have a choice.

    We talked more before bed, then went to sleep..  I woke up this morning to her crying/getting ready for work.  I said goodbye and have a good day.  she texted me after i walked out the front door “that easy huh” .  Then texted that she is confused and doesn’t know if we are together or not.

    I really don’t want to cave in again.  I feel horrible.  I do love her, just not “in love” with her like I should be.  I’m afraid I won’t be able to be strong and not give in again.  This sucks.  I really wish that we were living at her house and I could have just moved out.  Her living with me and having no where to go and no money to do anything with makes this unbearable.

    #299133
    Michelle
    Participant

    First – well done on finally going through with it. It was always going to be tough. Now get your stuff out into the RV pronto.

    It is much crueler to go through this again and again with her – for both of you. You are doing the nicest thing you can by being clear with her – as in “yes, we are no longer together” whilst being supportive with “no, I am not kicking you out,  you are not homeless”.

    Stick with it – all habits take time to break. Only by changing this will your life change. Explain it clearly to the kids so they are not confused either.

    Stay with it – well done.

    #299135
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    Let’s take a short walk on memory lane. Last year, April 30, 2018, was the first time you mentioned your girlfriend: “Now to the new GF I’ve been dating. She is wonderful and wants nothing but for me to be happy and to make me happy. We got along great and do think the same about a lot of things. Even our lifestyles are the same”.

    May 1, 2018: “I feel love for her… She will give me anything I want and need, she and I have a lot in common and are very comfortable around each other… I can see a life with her. A happy life”.

    May 4, 2018: “When I am with my current GF, I do feel good and happy… I do miss her when we aren’t together…  She has told me before if I need time and space she will give it to me and wait. She really is a wonderful person with nothing but love to give… My current girlfriend has drama also, which is a huge red flag for me… That is something that I plan on talking to her about. She has kid/family/work/money issues right now. And I don’t need that again”.

    May 7, 2018: “we kind of had a small fight this weekend. That was uncomfortable. She does have a minor drinking problem.. At first I thought, that’s cool, she likes to let loose once in a while…Andher kids (ages 7 & 9). That’s a struggle. They are out of control.. It’s all a big mess.. It’s always a fight about something and it ends up being screaming/arguing/crying by the kids… She has asked me to help with discipline… Our little fight this weekend has really got me thinking though. I’m going to talk to her tonight and tell her that I don’t know if I can do this.. It’s kind f good timing anyways. She will be working a late swing shift this week… I need to take a break from my current, and I need to have a good talk with her about everything that is causing flags with me”.

    Fast forward 13 months, on this thread, January 23, 2019: “long story short. Dated someone for about 7-8 months, then she moved in. She has two kids. boy 7rs and girl 9 yrs. FULL TIME. No daddy in the picture. She transferred them from their school to my kids school.. she found a part time job, min. wage plus tips… I’m now paying all of her bills… her son has serious issues.. he just flips out over something that is  nothing.. kicking and screaming.. My girlfriend is trying to find counseling and possibly medication for him… If things aren’t better by the end of March, then I’m going to ask her to leave”.

    Now, notice this, July 10, 2018, you wrote about your childhood experience: “parents divorced when I was very young. Before kindergarten I think. We stayed with my dad and his girlfriend in Vegas and my mom moved back to Oregon. We lived with my dad for a year or 3.. then moved up with my mom. My mom was making minimum wage raising us. Well one day she couldn’t do it anymore and left my sister and I at the babysitter after school… We then lived with my dad for another year (he moved around a lot)… So we then moved in with his parents… We lived with them for about another year or so… Mom was still making minimum wage. We moved a lot. If I remember right I went to 5 or 6 different schools between the 4th and 6th grade, and she (your mother) had a few different boyfriends over the years”.

    – Isn’t it amazing,  how much in common you have with your girlfriend’s son: parents’ early divorce, moving around a lot, changing schools, mother making minimum wage, mother having different boyfriends, some live-in. And you can see how much all this is hurting your girlfriend’s boy, so much so that he requires counseling and maybe medication. This lifestyle hurt you too.

    anita

     

    #299137
    Valora
    Participant

    Yeah, shingles is more common than you’d think. It’s sort of a reactivation of the chicken pox. Stress tends to activate it, I think.

    But I’m glad you finally did it, now it’s important to stay strong with it so that you don’t have to do it again. So if she texts you she’s confused on whether or not you’re together, simply text back “we are not together.” Eventually she will get the point.  I think she knew it was coming given the way she was so accusatory about you going to your friend’s house, so it will be good for her once she accepts that it’s over and she will probably feel a lot less stressed overall once she accepts it. She is just in the denial stage right now, so stand firm and keep acknowledging that you are broken up whenever she seems to want to act like you aren’t.

    I also feel like she’s wrong that it’s normal to fight all the time. It’s normal to argue SOMETIMES, but not as much as you guys seem to. She’s saying that because she doesn’t want to break up and WANTS it to be normal. but it isn’t.

    And remember…. as horrible as you feel about this, you are doing her a favor.  You giving in will only hurt her more. It’s actually the meaner thing to do. It’s been almost a year since I came onto this site and you wanted to break up with her then. So these feelings you’re having aren’t just temporary. She isn’t your match… which means you aren’t hers either. Setting her free gives her the ability to find the guy that she will be happy with… and for you to find your true match after you spend some time getting to know yourself again and can be happy on your own for a bit.

    #299271
    Anonymous
    Guest

    John-

    She has 100% custody of her two young children, this means that this chaos in which they live is 100% their lives. Both her children have been suffering for a long time, and her son’s suffering is most visible in his behavior.

    As you read this, you are likely still sleeping in the same room with these suffering children’s mother, fights and tension in the home continue. If you courageously moved to your RV to sleep, there are still fights and tensions in the house because you still live in the house, eating there, watching TV, etc.

    You once called her children “little shits”. Her boy is not a little shit. Just like when you were a boy, you were not a little shit. When you suffered chaos, it hurt you a lot. Now this boy is hurting, just like you did.

    The love that you felt/ feel for an ex girlfriend, a love that filled a whole other thread,  you would do anything for her, if you could go back in time, wouldn’t you?

    What if you do anything for her boy and her girl, what if you practice that love you have in you with them and see to it that there is no more chaos in their lives because of you being there, no more fighting, no more arguing, no more tension-

    What if you do whatever it takes to make it happen, move out altogether, rent another place and pay the rent on the current place for the next 3 months so to allow them these few months to relocate-

    The RV is not a good enough solution because of her state of mind and your lack of strength and resolve, the chaos will continue for the children because you will still be there, living there, even if you sleep in the RV later in the night.

    Move out completely and rent a place elsewhere and do it ASAP.

    After you move out and away and rest, then you can think of making a much better life for yourself, never again finding yourself in a situation like this, preventing future unnecessary problems and complications in your life, and finding the love you want with a woman who does not have dependent children and who is compatible with you, able to go on outings and vacations with you and have fun with you.

    Start with doing what is right in this situation, move out altogether.

    anita

     

     

     

    #299293
    Mark
    Participant

    John

    I am not sure what you are looking for on this forum. You have gotten a lot of excellent advice and support. And yet there has been no change in your situation and you continue to angst about it. So what are you looking for?

    Mark

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