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February 25, 2020 at 1:55 am #339892GenieParticipant
@Michelle I’m glad you are having a great time on your travels and even more glad you gave had bit of time to log in and give me perspective.
@adelaide and @shelbyville did a great job if calming me down. Like I said in my previous post I am starting or in love with him, I just couldn’t see through my fear but you are right it would be silly to declare it at this point as it would be a knee jerk reaction. Jay got in touch with me himself to check how I was doing and reassure me that he just needed space but still wanted to progress this , that alone made my heart hurt because of how I’ve been with him and equally feel alive because he saw something worth working on too. I agree about the working on yourself concept you can’t expect to do that first then try at a relationship. We would miss too many opportunities. I feel like I have a very good man here. He encourages me, supports me , he accepts my flaws. I just wish I could let go of the anxiety entirely that can be so gripping but it’s part of me and I just have to learn to control it.I have apologised to him and I am working on a few ideas to make him feel valued too once he is ready. I just hope I don’t act out like an idiot again and I can contain myself whilst he needs space.
February 25, 2020 at 9:28 am #339932Adelaide1ParticipantHey @Michelle, nice to hear from you! Your travels sound great as usual. Do you have a ‘home base’ as it were? Your lifestyle, always on the move sounds invigorating for sure.
Thanks for your thoughts on learning and action and your encouragement to keep going. I need it today. I think I have reached the stage where I miss the idea of a partner more than my ex specifically. This is positive in that I am less and less tempted to reach out but also very anxiety provoking in that I worry a lot about never being loved romantically. I just feel very unloveable some days. But I know that is ultimately coming from a place of seeking external validation and a lack of self esteem, so I need to keep reminding myself that the answer lies in building my self worth, while also pushing myself out my comfort zone. I also just started my period, so that could account for a lot of my feelings, to be honest!
I also still think about her a lot and it’s really annoying to me. The other night I dreamed about her and it was upsetting because I am sick of my brain fantasising. I just want to move on with my life but I guess that’s not how it works!
On top of the attachment style stuff, I have been reading a lot about codependency and it has been quite helpful. I definitely have many codependent traits – for example, a large amount of internalised shame, weak sense of self, and heavily relying on others as my main source of validation. The book “Codependency For Dummies” has been quite insightful if anyone else is interested. This unrelated but relevant quote I came across essentially sums up overcoming codependency:
“Finding yourself” is not really how it works. You aren’t a ten-dollar bill in last winter’s coat pocket. You are also not lost. Your true self is right there, buried under cultural conditioning, other people’s opinions, and inaccurate conclusions you drew as a kid that became your beliefs about who you are. “Finding yourself” is actually returning to yourself. An unlearning, an excavation, a remembering who you were before the world got its hands on you.”
On the one hand I feel like this unlearning is insurmountable, but on the other I am excited by the prospect. Like I have the power to ultimately change how I feel about myself, act, react and form relationships for the rest of my life – for the better.
Despite feeling unloveable and a bit down I have continued to connect with people in a more authentic way than I did before this “failed” relationship, and I’m proud of that. An example is reaching out to an ex colleague/friend who is having their own anxious/avoidant attachment issues and sharing a lot about my own experiences as of late, as well as coaching him. Our friendship has become closer as a result and I have been able to be very vulnerable with him quite comfortably and vice versa.He said I have really helped him find the courage to talk about these issues without feeling like a loser and motivated him to start making changes. He has also been good at reassuring me that he’s sure I’ll find love again.
I have also made an effort to get involved in a volunteer programme one evening a week and through that am getting to know some lovely people, and have gone to a couple of other gatherings which likewise I have very much enjoyed. Whereas when I was in a relationship my ex was totally the centre of my world and I didn’t put effort into much else. Basically, I do like the person I am becoming post this relationship. I just hope it leads to something relationship-wise eventually! Sometimes I really wish that it was easier for me to connect with people on a superficial level i.e be seen as desirable enough for random hookups… but then I ask myself, do I really want a quantity of hollow connections over quality ones? And the answer is probably not, but the physical intimacy would be nice in some ways.
@genie glad you are doing better! Great Jay has reached out and you are back on track. All we can do is learn from our mistakes and keep trying to do better.Til next time… x
February 25, 2020 at 1:43 pm #339990KkasxoParticipantEvening ladies,
I have no idea why I no longer receive the notifications to my email when I am being tagged in posts.
I still very much check back on the forum often but have noticed our new ladies here on the forum and just don’t want to interrupt the productive trail of thought – silly way of thinking really so but I guess we’ve got my PTSD brain to thank for that! I’m so glad this is still such a safe and understanding place to come to! It has absolutely been my life saviour at one point and I’m glad it’s being just as effective to others. You ladies are incredible!
Michelle, you are absolutely right. I’ve been in withdrawal mode for a little while now again. I guess the demands of this job aren’t helping as I am constantly so drained from energy I really don’t have the will to do anything other than work and sleep, as if I am already not emotionally drained enough! My family have finally decided that they’ll be going in May. It’s official, date set etc. Shock. It’s crazy because no matter how much you prepare yourself it’s still so sad when push comes to shove. So I’ve made the decision to move back into my family home so I can live with my sister for a while during this transition… Mr A included although I don’t really know if we’ll proceed with that in the end.
The reality is, we are good but we are not good at all. I don’t actually know if there is love like that there per say. I do love him, I think in some way I always will but am I in love with him like that anymore? Who knows. I’ve been trying so hard to figure everything out and it seems I can’t even find the answers to my own questions. I don’t think I’ll find answers in the end.
I’ve decided though to not be so hard on myself about the decisions I’ve made post-trauma (or try not to anyway) because it’s all deeper than I can really comprehend and I guess you can never be angry at yourself for following your heart, which is what I did when we were getting back together. Trauma bonding, a shared trauma, years full of love, an idea of a future together, my PTSD, my shattered self-worth, the idea of being so broken beyond repair that no one will ever want me again, I guess they are just a few out of a long list of things that contributed to my decisions over the last two years.In a way, I think my PTSD will mean I’ll never really be able to make a decision without questioning it. But this illness is one I’m going to have to learn to live with I guess, I just hope one day ‘enough’ really isn’t enough because I won’t lie when I say it is exhausting every single day.
I hope you are both doing well.
Michelle, you never fail to share with me your greatest life advice. But how is life treating you? I hope you are well and content and happy and no doubt planning another exciting adventure somewhere?
Shelby my love, I wish I could take all this away from you to be honest. I really cannot wait to see the day when I come on here to read how utterly and blissfully happy you are.
I really did think we would be so much further along the line at this point. And yet so much like you I feel I’ve come a long way and yet have not moved an inch really! It’s so frustrating and confusing.
Sending you both the biggest of hugs!
February 25, 2020 at 5:33 pm #339890MichelleParticipantOh – I almost forgot – this was Manson’s article in his weekly email. Figured worth sharing it here as it’s very appropriate to a lot of what’s discussed here. Hope helps!
February 27, 2020 at 9:27 am #340288GenieParticipantI’m sorry you felt you shouldn’t comment incase you interrupted my drama lol. But this is yours & @shelbyville thread. You two both have amazing courage and have come much further than you think. You should be proud of yourselves. I think you too don’t give yourself enough credit after facing such a traumatic time. Keep swimming chick! Thank you for creating a space where others like myself can feel safe to comment.
I hope we all find love again and our happy place in this rollercoaster ride called LIFE! Jay and I have stalled and I just feel numb. Do I push him to see I want the relationship or let go and if he is meant to be he will return?
Sometimes our own actions cause a ripple/domino effect on what’s to come I just wish I knew that sooner.
February 27, 2020 at 9:46 am #340292KkasxoParticipantHello my love! You are always always always welcome to post whenever you want! By any means do not apologise at all, it is just my silly PTSD brain which tricks me into certain thought patterns! I am so grateful for this platform and glad that it has given you a space to explore your feelings too 🙂
I haven’t properly caught up on your situation but by the sounds of it there’s a little back and forth at the moment – I know how mind boggling that can be! I hope you figure out a way to do whatever it is that makes your soul happy x
March 2, 2020 at 7:36 am #340916GenieParticipantI just need someone to give me their perspective. Jay and I have been a bit distant but he met me for lunch today and it was lovely, I laughed and felt like I always do around him..HAPPY! I was scared to discuss the situation between us so just ended up enjoying his company and keeping it light. So we didn’t touch on anything. Although we haven’t gone all the way because intimacy that deep still scares me. We always used to kiss etc but he didn’t, instead of giving me his hand, he gave me his arm to link. I’m now scared I know I have real feelings for him but he seems to have backed off. When I got back I messaged him thanks for a wonderful lunch and I would like to talk about where we stood… he said the best thing for my wellbeing was to be friends and not put any expectations on it from his end and if it becomes more then it does. My anxiety is starting to rear its ugly head but I’m trying to breathe… telling myself it was always going to be a slow burner and that is what I initially who didn’t want to rush in and get my heart broken. But now i feel i won’t even get the chance as he seems to have had enough? What shall I do.. I feel panicky but I’m really trying to think it’s ok, I need to let ho of this need to control it in my way and let it be. Breathe. Help?!
March 2, 2020 at 8:36 am #340922ShelbyvilleParticipantHi Genie,
I hate when people say ‘Don’t panic’ in the midst of me panicking, like I hadn’t thought of that….and oh jeeee….of course….why don’t I just not panic!?!! But I don’t believe there is cause to panic in this instance. Let’s look at this, you have strong feelings for Jay, evidently he has strong feelings for you or wouldn’t have stayed this long and been so supportive etc. Something changed in the dynamic and it just gave him more information about his circumstances with you. If he did not want to continue a relationship (of any kind) with you, he wouldn’t. He would move on. He has not. He is taking things slow and seeing how it develops. He seems to recognise that you need to process some stuff of your own still and is putting that as a priority also. If he needs a little more space, right now, I suppose you might need to respect that. Wouldn’t you want someone to respect you enough to give you a little space if you needed it?
As you’re aware I got back with my ex a total of 3 times. The final time last year was weird for the first few weeks. He was SERIOUSLY cautious around me and there was no hand holding or affection or anything and I did question at the time whether he even liked me or was attracted to me anymore. We kept hanging out as….I dunno…friends I guess….even though I don’t know if I would even have called it that, it was just a weird phase…..but he never declined to meet me etc, so I didn’t put pressure on it and we found our way back to each other that time and actually, the spark was ten fold when we did. But he was just cautious and gunshy I guess, but evidently he still did have strong feelings for me at that time and was wary of going down the same road (heartbreak) again and feared his hurt and hurting me. I know it didn’t work out, but my point is….anxiety could be really playing a little bit of a role here, making you feel strong attachment and fear of abandonment. But if you can breathe and try to remain as calm and patient as you can, it could all be okay. By all accounts, Jay sounds like a great human being and cares about you, so perhaps try to have faith in that!
I hope it helps, but as you know, I’m not exactly the Yoda of all things relationship! I do know that my need to be with my ex was definitely too much of a burden for him to bear and did not help me in the long run. However, the times I was more calm and patient, it definitely worked out better. Good luck with it my dear. x
March 2, 2020 at 8:51 am #340924ShelbyvilleParticipantTell me about Vietnam….I ruled it out of my travel plan last year because of time and money constraints but is it all that you expected? Is it crazy and busy and vast and unique??? Haha, I’m like a kid at Christmas these days when I think/talk about travel!
I only got to see KL while in Malaysia but I really liked the Malaysian people and I felt they really took me under their wing as a solo female traveller. Are you worried at all about corona virus? TBH a case has been confirmed about 2hours from where I am and i’m more than anxious. A member of my family has a compromised immune system and last week my Dad was diagnosed with chronic blood disease so I’m kind of living in fear at the moment because it’s becoming so prevalent so fast, but no real method of containment or antidote.
How long more will you travel for? The weather where I am remains terrible, storm after storm and my wanderlust is reaching peak levels again! Im starting training for my new makeup job tomorrow in the city for four days, so I’m actually a little excited about starting something new, albeit anxious too that A) I might not be great at it or B)I might hate it!
My darling, I’ve missed you and think of you often as similarly I figured you were withdrawing somewhat due to a tough time and probably work stress and demands. I feel that therapy for a few weeks (if it’s feasible) to help with coping strategies etc ahead of your family’s departure might be useful. Also, it’s a comfort that you will go to live with your sister, which will mean you get to keep your link to family which is a support you need and I’m sure she very much appreciates having you too.
I know that feeling….when you can’t actually be bothered drawing the energy to think about things, let alone, work on self development, growth and change! My life is in a funny phase right now. My new guy friend has mentioned to me multiple times that he feels I’m really in a very transient phase now and my life seems very complicated. He might be right. Some days I trod along, not too bad, not thinking too much about stuff. Other days I’m a truck load of slow moving thick sludge that it feels like a year to lift one leg out of daily.
PTSD must be incredibly difficult to live with. But I think your life is more than that. It just is. You’re a rather unique person. I don’t come across many people such as yourself, you have something about you. Something more, I guess. You do what you need to survive right now, but at some point, consider the fact…..that you deserve more out of this life. More in a job, more in a relationship, more for your own wellbeing. Please don’t hesitate to reach out when you feel low, I’ve often found that one or two sentences from the wonderful women and men on this thread at key times has really given me perspective and helped get me out of whatever spiral I seem to have gotten myself in to.
Would you consider looking for more fulfilling work? At least you have a job now so you don’t have the added panic of being unemployed this time? xx
March 2, 2020 at 12:26 pm #340954GenieParticipantHi @shelbyville
Thank you so much for responding. I think people who haven’t experienced anxiety and the feeling like they are being suffocated by a chokehold can easily say don’t panic!
Jay is an amazing person. Much better than I deserve but I reassure myself by telling myself he chose me out of sea full of fish. He picked me. I just feel maybe I’ve tried him too much. He wants to be friends and I know partly is because he can see I still have a little more growth to do in order to feel secure and mot accuse him stupidly when my anxiety kicks in. What if he doesn’t want more any more? What if I’ve killed all the attraction? I feel he won’t initiate anymore lunches and will just fade away. Wouldn’t you if you had plenty of more easier people to gel with and no issues/baggage ? I don’t know, I just feel really down. I feel the classic you only know what you have until it’s gone…I took him for granted and I did start to take his caring nature for advantage. It’s funny though, I was insistent on taking it slow , no labels, but now I’d do anything to show him I care about him and do want him as my boyfriend. Stupid feelings why couldn’t I see you earlier?!
How are you though? Sorry to hear about your dad, is it serious? I don’t even want to think about coronavirus. Some things are better blocked out.
Good luck with your new job tomorrow! Thank you for the advice. You sound in a healthier place?
March 2, 2020 at 4:01 pm #340992GenieParticipant@shelbyville this has been running through my head since I read about your description of your ex on your 3rd time. What if Jay just wants the physical intimacy and then leaves? Or that was what he wanted but given up to find it elsewhere. Like you said you and your ex didn’t get affectionate at first when you rekindled the 3rd time, I used to do the same with my ex but would end up giving in but hortly after we would part ways again. My ex knew he could get me because I loved him.What if your ex just wanted to get laid and you were the easy option. My ex would do the same when we would try again at first I would be reluctant but end up giving in but hortly after we would part ways again. My ex knew he could get me because I loved him, I wanted him so he had a hold over me hence the feeler texts . What if Jay does the same… what if he’s using me. Why are my thoughts so crazy right or is there substance to them ?
March 3, 2020 at 2:14 am #341074Adelaide1Participant@genie, my dear. There are a lot of “what ifs” there! Seems like you are in an anxiety spiral which is the worst feeling, I know. Try to breathe and identify how the anxiety you are feeling is distorting your thinking. Then try to counter it with a more realistic interpretation. Unfortunately any reassurance any of us offer you in countering such thoughts won’t last… I know this from experience, and really wish it did! So instead just try to breathe, sit with it, identify the catastrophising thoughts but remember they are not facts and trust it will decline naturally. xx
Some slightly interesting developments on my end. An acquaintance got in touch with me and we have been having message conversations quite steadily over the last week, some flirtatious. On Friday I got quite drunk and things got particularly flirtatious. If we were in the same town I probably would have suggested we hook up but we’re not. I have got a buzz from these interactions, of course, particularly because my ex was not really the type to flirt so explicitly, and I’m not particularly used to such attention. But as suspected it’s caused anxiety as well and I can already tell that I am ‘chasing’ something not all that fulfilling and am already fantasising about things that are unlikely to happen, all in pursuit of some kind of external validation I suppose.
to be honest with myself… If it was a friend of mine and I saw the conversations we were having, I’d conclude by in large that they are not exactly interesting and that I am selling myself short just because someone has vaguely expressed interest in me. So I’m just disappointed in myself really. All comes down to that pesky old lack of self worth again….
On a sidenote my ex also finally replied to a message from a couple of weeks ago; nothing really interesting. I have been thinking of her a lot less over the past week because I have been distracted by this new anxious attachment. Oh dear… sometimes I just have to laugh at myself – the patterns are so familiar. I suppose at least I can recognise them! Being a human is hard…
March 6, 2020 at 5:09 am #341796GenieParticipantHi @adelaide,
My thoughts got out of control. Reading back over the last post I feel so stupid. Better said here than to him. He is nothing like that and nothing like my ex so I shouldn’t expect the same behaviour of him or to automatically categorise him as someone who will hurt me when he’s been nothing but patient and supportive whilst getting nothing substantive in return. I think because I finally realised my feelings are more it’s scary to thing about the loss now. I cherish him being part of my life , it was a slow burner and that’s what I need to accept i can’t control everything now that i want it to go faster and enjoy it. He may need his time. It’s only fair and he deserves the best and if he now has doubts I can’t really blame him after how I was. So I’m going to try and be patient. Meanwhile show him that I want him as that was something he felt he didn’t feel..wanted by me. Anyone got any tips?
Adelaide I’d say good on you for enjoying a hit of a flirt but tread carefully I wouldn’t recommend continuing this if you don’t see something fruitful or anything more appealing in that person. It’s not worth the short buzz and you would be selling yourself. short. You’ll end up relying on things like this to boost your self esteem when that has to come from within. That kind of stuff is best enjoyed in a unison where both of you feel more, drawn to each other on other aspects too then in person that electricity helps develop it into a relationship..don’t do hook ups it will just damage you further. My opinion only.
I’m so proud of you though chick for carrying on and being so self aware. Xx
March 7, 2020 at 7:22 am #342010GenieParticipantI’m feeling so lonely today. All my friends went out and are completely hungover today so can’t come around. Family live down South. Maybe the way I’ve been lately I should have planned something for this weekend. I just want to speak to Jay but he is away for a work conference which makes me sad as if things were in a better place between us maybe I could have tagged a long like I have done before and we enjoyed the evenings together. He is still in contact with me but I miss his presence. I miss his affection. I find myself very anxious but at the same time I’m angry at myself for undoing all the effort I made to get here.. to et go of my ex took a lot of effort and I do feel like I’ve moved on but in some ways I find myself stuck back there with the same thoughts of not being good enough running in my head as that relationship by the end wore me down. I finally after denying my feelings for so long acknowledge there’s someone special in front of me but in my momemts of anxiety and indecision I’ve gone and ruined it. Even if no one replies I’m just writing this out to make my thoughts more clear. To see how I can motivate myself to not give into anxiety and acknowledge Jay is entitled to set the pace too. I can’t control everything. How can i make this work in the long run between us or get the old Genie in me who wasn’t scared or fearful of the consequences or pain but lived life on the full ready to try anything. How do I take him from friends to lovers again? Some tips ladies? If I can focus on that goal I’ll feel less anxious I reckon.
@shelbyville I don’t mean to hijack your thread you can turf me out anytime.March 7, 2020 at 1:01 pm #342038Adelaide1ParticipantHey @genie. Sorry you are feeling so lonely girl. Don’t feel stupid. Like you say, better said here than to him. I think your answer lies in the last post where you say that you can’t control everything and just have to be patient. I know that that’s hard to deal with when you are feeling particularly anxious; I find it almost impossible, but it’s true. I think you are doing very well by choosing to clarify your thoughts here before taking any action with him; that in itself is choosing not to give in to anxiety. Are you guys seeing each other in person at the moment? Maybe when you organise to meet up next time you can ask him if he’d be willing to chat about where you’re both at, that way he has a heads up that it’s coming. Make it clear that it doesn’t have to be a totally ‘reveal all’ discussion, that you just want to check in because you really like him. And also that if he needs more time that’s fine too, that you appreciate the patience he has shown you and you are willing to do the same. Only you know whether doing something like that would work as you know yourself, him, and your relationship better than I do… but it does seem to me that some kind of conversation needs to happen as anxiety inducing as that prospect is.
Thanks for your advice re this new person I am talking to. You are right, of course. Hookups and getting short buzzes from flirting is more damaging in the long run. I don’t want that really, I want intimacy and that’s different. We’ve kept chatting and have got into some deeper conversations as of late. I told her that I am trying really hard to be more vulnerable and authentic in the connections I form with people even though that’s scary, and she responded well. I don’t know if it will eventuate into anything but I do enjoy talking to her. It’s clear that she has her own anxieties and baggage as I do but she promised to always be honest about where she and her feelings are at. So we will see… personally I am proud of myself for putting myself out there again even though it may well lead to more hurt in the long run and acknowledging I still have work to do to find validation in myself rather than seeking it from others.
I hope tomorrow is a better day for you. I would say that the “old Genie” is still there and still strong, she’s just had a knock and is hiding at the moment. She’ll be coaxed out with time, patience, and kindness. Always here if you need an ear!
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