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  • #209359
    John
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    i see your point.  I just wanted more answers.  And i did say I won’t text her again after she gets my letter and reads it.(i think ).   I was bitter that everything she told me that she didn’t like about me was everything i had recognized on my own and were points I brought up in that letter, that she did not get yet.  I just wanted to make it a point to her, that i have seen that and that she should of actually talked to me about these things when they were becoming issues.   I am done now though.  There is no more reason to contact her.  Yes i would love to know what she thought about my letter, but it really doesn’t matter.  The fact is she is “in love” with someone else.  Or she says she is.  Which that kind of burns me, well really burns me. but it is what it is.  She made it a point that I’m not perfect for her or what she needs.

    She always told me she has been 100% honest with me about everything.  The more i think about it the more i think that that was bullshit.  Maybe in  her mind she was, but really…  This is the same woman that had told me that She is not meant for a relationship and probably never will be.  Then it was barely a month after we broke up that she had met someone else.  Actually she met this guy before we had a chance to exchange belongings.  And of coarse  she said it was nothing.  Then when i asked her if it’s serious, she said we’ll see, it’s not a real relationship anyways.  Then when i ask her if she is in love with him, she says yes…

    I don’t know.  Maybe it’s me misunderstanding everything.  But to me, if someone is heartbroken and hurt like she was, then there wouldn’t be a possibility of any kind of romance.  Especially if she was “broken” and “not meant for a relationship”, then why in the hell would you put yourself out there again.  The more i think about shit the more just doesn’t add up with her.

    She was amazing, and showed me more love than i’ve ever known.  I really felt like she would do anything for me.  But then when i think about it.  I was never a priority to her.  Which i’m not saying i should be her #1.  (cause she has kiddos).  But your significant other should feel like it.  Not feel like you are always on the side, just waiting for her to be ready.  That’s what it did feel like.  Waiting.  at her convenience.  When she did see me or do stuff with me it was fantastic, she did make me feel special.  but it  was only on her schedule.

    OMG, i’m rambling again.

    My point is this.  I love her, probably always will.  There is nothing i can do to end that except time.  I know this.  Are we compatible.  Honestly, probably not., but in my head i always thought where there is love there is a way.  I guess that’s the romantic in me.  I’ve seen too many movies.  LOL.  She may have not loved me like either of us thought.  Otherwise she would of communicated and tried to help me see so we could of worked on it.  Yes i wish she would of given me a chance.  But as i think about it.  A chance for what?  another long distance, waiting for my turn relationship?  why suffer like that again.

    I  do hurt,  i do love her and it sucks.  I wish i was the man she was with.  but i’m not and never will be. I need to be okay with that.

    Getting the response from my ex, hopefully will give me the closure i need to move on.  Last night i did talk to the woman i was seeing recently.  I’ve told her everything.   She does want to see me more.  I’m going to take it slow with her.  She does have her problems, but i think i was comparing her to my ex. and that was making it hard for me to see everything.  I was jaded.   I can’t do that.  everyone is different.  And i do know this.  Everything i did crave from my ex that she wouldn’t give me, this woman wants to do that without me asking.  which is something in itself.   Like i said though, taking it slow.  I don’t want this to be a rebound or “second best” thing.  I have dated a few different woman after my break up( i was freaking mess and needed something)  a few of them were really great woman, but i didn’t have a desire to be with them long term.  With this gal, if we can work through some of the flags i see, I do see possibilities.  (you have to think if it would work long term, or why waste time).

    So we will see.  I know i’m a wreck.  But i have told my recent about it all and i am completely honest with her about everything.  And she is with me back, doesn’t hold anything in, which is nice.

    Okay i need to get back to work.  I will keep you all posted on the “days of my life”  lol.  feels like a freaking soap opera!!

    #209375
    John
    Participant

    Man this hurts.  I feel so cheated.  I gave up so much and endured so much of her problems waiting for things to get better so we could really enjoy life together.  Now, it feels like everything has gotten better in her life and she is doing better and able to live like she should (what i was waiting for the whole time) and I am left empty.  Why is the heart and mind so screwed up.  The entire time she was dealing with things she kept telling me she would make it up to me.  I was waiting patiently.  and now it feels like someone else gets my rewards(sound selfish i know), but that’s what it feels like.  this whole thing has really screwed me up.  I really hope i can let it go.  I hope i can love like that again and have nothing left for her.  My recent even told me that she can wait for the day that i don’t think about my ex anymore and only think about her.  Why can’t I embrace that.  I know i’m all over the place on this forum.  but having you listen and give me feedback is really nice.  I can’t tell you how much i appreciate it.  too bad you can’t give hugs over this forum, feels like i need one.  Hopefully someday i will be better.  right now my stupid brain thinks, someday her BF will break her heart and she will realize what she gave up with me and want to try again.  I know that’s not the case, but it’s what i feel.  I hate it.

    #209391
    Brandy
    Participant

    As I read this latest post from you I’m thinking “Uh-oh, he’s gonna pick up his phone and text her.” Don’t do it! You’re going to have these painful moments. You just have to get through them to get to the other side. That’s your goal — getting to the other side. What’s the other side? The place where your ex is just another person from your past who doesn’t affect you anymore. You’ll get there but you have to stop contacting her so that it can happen.

    In your post before this last one you wrote this: The fact is she is “in love” with someone else.  Or she says she is. What do you mean “or she says she is”? I don’t get this. When someone tells me how she feels, I accept it at face value. But it seems to me that you think you may know what she is feeling better than she does. It’s like you tell yourself that even though she’s telling you that she loves someone else, she really loves you. And I believe you do this because the alternative is too painful for you, so you choose to believe in the fantasy. This kind of thinking only prolongs your suffering.

    Here is something in yesterday’s text message to her that I would NOT have written:  If you ever do decide you do want to go down this road again I will be here. What the?!?! No, no, no, no. no.  The way I see it, if a guy doesn’t want to be with me, hasta la vista, baby! I’m outta there! He lost his chance! I’m no consolation prize; I’m the freaking blue ribbon! You need to start thinking of yourself as the freaking blue ribbon.

    You say Hopefully someday i will be better.  You could be better today! It’s your way of thinking that’s prolonging your suffering. (Ok, stop. Now go back and read the above 3 sentences five more times before you continue.)

    Ok, calling all you Tiny Buddha members who have gone through tough breakups but have made it to the other side: please share your story with John so he can see that he’ll get there too. Everyone gets rejected at some point…well, maybe not Brad Pitt and George Clooney, but everyone else. We’ve all had to get through it. You will too. (As long as you stop contacting her.)

    John, I know I can write a post like this because I know you are a really good sport. 🙂

    B

    #209393
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    In your post before last you wrote: “I will keep you all posted on the ‘days of my life’ lol. feels like a freaking soap opera”-

    If your thread is a soap opera, then this is what I am watching on the screen: a man sitting down against a pillow perhaps, holding a phone. He is sitting there hour after hour. Many hours later, he is texting. Then sitting. Hours later he receives a text. Following that he sits. Hours pass. Then he texts again.

    It is not much of a soap opera: there are no interactions in person between you and the love object, not even a phone call, if I remember correctly, nothing but texting.

    I figure the reason the camera is pointing to where nothing is happening is because you don’t want to look at what is happening. If you would like to share what is really happening, with your children, with the mother of your children, with co workers perhaps, with people you did not mention, please do.

    anita

    #209411
    John
    Participant

    Brandy, thanks again.  you continue to make good points.  I am really trying.  It is hard.  i guess when i say some of those things, i am desperate.  and i’m sure it sounds desperate.  i will really try to get through this and on.  I do have a lot of good in my life.  Great bunch of friends, beautiful kids, going to be a grandpa in november, and a potential good woman that want nothing but to take care of me(if i can figure out if i can do that with her)  Man i just wish i could forget how my ex made me feel.  It’s like i keep seeing her as this golden intangible thing that i have to have.  stupid.  i really don’t want to text her anymore, or make any contact.  I’m going to try my best.  No point in it now that she said what she did.  just prolongs my suffering.

    please keep talking to me.  I really do like this support you give to me.  i need it.

    #209421
    Brandy
    Participant

    You are very welcome.

    I’m looking forward to your response to anita’s post above. Her observation is very good. What is really happening?

    My two cents: I think you put your ex on an unrealistic pedestal because you feel deep unworthiness. Why do you feel so badly about yourself? Is it guilt, shame? What is it?

    B

    #209445
    nextsteps
    Participant

    Hello John,

    I’ve read what brandy and Anita have written here and it all makes 100% sense.

     

    I just wanted to write based on brandys suggestion that if you hear other stories of people who have gone through a similar thing it may help. Years and years ago now I went out with someone and one day he decided to break it off. It seemed out of the blue to me, when in reality it wasn’t.

    I did all the things that you shouldn’t do like wrote a letter and text. But the thing is (and brandy is right with this) he never replied and in the end I was just being desperate, needy and annoying e.g. someone he was never going to love any way.

     

    Like you I found it easier to hold onto the hope that what we had was so special that he didn’t mean it when he said he loved someone else. In my head it was like: ‘I have never felt like this about someone and it felt so special and meaningful he has to still love me’.this was a complete lie made up to make me feel better in the short term but actually prolonged my feelings of sadness due to us not being in each other’s lives any more. And of course he loved her as he was the one who had left me and was in a relationship wifh her. Actions speak louder than words. I felt like I didn’ want to move on:’after all, I could never find someone as amazing, kind, caring, fun etc as him again.

     

    The thing is, over time, it gets easier. But you barely notice it as it happens slowly. One day you’l wake up and you will not think about her or think about her and smile without all the emotions attached as they are now. To get to that stage you need to push yourself to move forward. You may not feel like doing anything but staying at home thinking about her but you need to. You’ll probably feel rubbish whilst doing it but afterward you’ll be proud of yourself. It’s action that gets things moving forward, and that’s what you need.

     

    It sounds like you have a loving partner, kids and family so concentrate on those blessings. You also have good health and can try again for a new relationship- not everyone has that.

    Resources that have helped me are: a book called ‘unstuck’ and ‘the untethered soul’. The untthered soul helped me the most though as it seemed to speak to WHY I felt in such a way about him.

     

    All the very best of luck!

    #209447
    nextsteps
    Participant

    My last thing is- you mentioned you ‘can’t forget how your ex made you feel’. Perhaps if  those feelings you miss now and that’s understandable. Most of the world is literally made up of people chasing feelings in various ways.

     

    Perhaps you could talk here about how exactly she made you feel and how other people/things can also make you feel in  a similar way. It’s not just her that has that magical ability, others can too. I know it may not seem that way now (as I have been there myself) but it’s true. You will feel loved, wanted and special again. You will feel connected and you will feel chemistry/ fireworks/ vulnerable. All of those things will happen. But they can’t happen if you are staring at the closed door rather than looking for the open ones. I know it hurts and it takes such effort to pick yourself up after losing someone you love, it feels the whole world is a massive effort, but you are in the process of healing. It all just takes time.

     

    We are here with you on tiny bhudda. Take good care of yourself.

    #209597
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John/ Reader:

    You stated, John, in the first page of your thread: “We were hard core in love. Like in the movies”.

    It is my understanding that this whole thread, all your posts, were part of a movie, a fantasy. From the beginning of the thread nothing was happening. According to your own telling, all that happened was that a few texts have been exchanged between you and a woman, an ex girlfriend. A few texts and nothing else.

    What did happen before, during that relationship with the then girlfriend, I ask myself. According to your own sharing, most of the time you waited, waited for her to contact you. It is possible that if there was a relationship at all (and there may have been one), there wasn’t much happening then as well.

    A fantasy, a movie, a whole lots happening in-between-your-ears, typed away here.

    “Help me please” is in the title of your thread. What kind of help were you asking for, I wonder. According to your share you have children, and you are soon to be a grandfather. According to you, you have a wonderful relationship with your ex wife and with your children. All is well, according to your share, outside this one thing: a relationship with a woman that does not exist outside a few texting.

    “Help me please”- with what, I wonder. What is the real problem with which you need help? Clearly it is not where you have been pointing to. This fantasy, this “hard core in love. Like in the movies”, isn’t happening. What is happening?

    I don’t know. It is interesting how we can be taken for a ride into someone’s fantasy and never get to the real issue. A person presents a story with much emotion, repeating the same story, and we believe it. Better question it early on. Better separate fiction from nonfiction if we aim to understand people, and in understand others, better understand ourselves.

    anita

     

    #209639
    Brandy
    Participant

    Hi John,

    I read through anita’s recent post and agree with her but would phrase it a little differently:

    You met the woman of your dreams, but it’s unclear as to whether or not it was ever a solid, exclusive, romantic relationship. You fell in love with her and believed that she loved you too, but she never actually said those words to you. Regardless, being around her made you feel better about yourself. You suddenly had drive, motivation, and self-respect. This woman is not the typical type of woman you date, perhaps “out of your league”, as they say. More beautiful? Smarter? More independent? More successful?…whatever it is,  she elevated your status; you saw yourself differently, felt like a better man.  No woman before or since has ever made you feel that way about yourself, and when she moved on, you were back to seeing yourself the way you did before, which is now unbearable for you.

    So I’m trying to figure out why a guy with so many great qualities feels so badly about himself.

    Hope you are hanging in there.

    On a lighter note, how was camping?

    B

    #209979
    John
    Participant

    Brandy. She did say she loved me. Over and over. And she showed it in ways I never felt. Yes she also made me feel like It was at her convienence at times though. But she really did express the same feelings I did for her.

    I think you may have a point though. She is beatiful. Succesful, independent, and did things that I really admired.

    I cant explain it. I do know when she left I felt like I lost myself. So maybe she did make me feel more worth of myself.

    i Didn’t feel like I was good enough for her. No matter how she acted or what she told me. I was always afraid I wouldn’t be good enough. It caused me to become insecure and i think that’s when I started to get controlling. I was trying to plan our relationship. Have set days or weekends instead of  just letting it happen like I did before.

    As far as my camping trip. Holy broken quads Batman!  Well my sister came with us(haven’t seen her in 4 years). I took her for a quick ride. Then the first morning I took out my quad and broke some stuff. Had to drive for 4 hours to get parts I needed.  I ended up working on it all weekend at camp. Got it fixed by 5pm the last night so I could go for one ride. (My current friend/girlfriend/whatever she is showed up then)  Then my daughter quad broke too.   Got some work to do before the fourth. You play you pay. Right. Lol.

    I did have a fun weekend though. Definitely need to change up the RV though. Still had a lot of memories. ?

    #209985
    Brandy
    Participant

    Yep, sorry about that. I shouldn’t have written that part. I was going off the following that you had shared: I know that i love her and did love her.  A love i believe you may only have once in a lifetime.  I can’t speak for her, but it felt the same from her until the end when the storm hit. It’s the “I can’t speak for her” part that confused me. Also, when I asked you if she had ever actually told you that she loved you, you didn’t answer my question. So I was thinking that maybe she didn’t actually say it to you. My bad.

    Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. When one thinks he’s not good enough for his partner, the anxiety takes over. You’re not the first person that this has happened to btw. Why do you feel that you’re not good enough for her? It seems like she’s this really great girl who was depressed when you met her?… you saw all these promising qualities in her that you don’t see in the other girls you date, so you helped her, were patient with her, and once she was feeling better she moved on? I don’t know.

    It’s a bummer that the quads break like that. I’m thinking “quad” means 4-wheels? My kids have ridden the 3-wheeled atv — FAST! I had to walk away so as not to watch how fast they go. They were totally jumping, “catching air”. Looks fun.

    B

    #209989
    John
    Participant

    I think as time went on I just started feeling like I wasn’t good enough or something. I really think it was a combination of all of her problems and her really needing time to just be alone to deal with it her way. I didn’t know how to handle that and it did make me feel insecure. I did try bringing it up to her and she would get upset. Like it was all about me. Which I do see know that she needed just for me to be there for her when she needed to help her on her terms. Instead I took it personal and freaked out.

    is what it is. I am trying to accept that. Maybe it’s my ego. I don’t know. I am looking forward to the day that I don’t tbink about her or miss her anymore. Today was not one of them. All I thought about was her camping with him this year. Wondering if she had fun. I’m sure she did.

    #210007
    John
    Participant

    Well this officially sucks.  I think me and her talking or texting again has really set see back.  I haven’t texted here since last Thursday.  Now i feel like i’m going through withdrawals again.  Like Anitia said about a drug.  I woke up this morning really said and lonely.  Really missing her bad  I have found that have been frowning all day.  This really hurts again.  Seriously almost feels like we just broke up again.  i’ve found myself wondering if she had fun camping with her new family/friends this weekend.  wondering if she misses me at all.  I know the answers, that doesn’t mean i don’t think about it or feel that way.

    Why is it so hard just to forget her.   It really hurts today.  really bad.  I try to not let it consume me.  I try to focus on other things, but i can’t.  My current even texted me this morning and i didn’t want to answer her.  How bad is that?  I really hope that someday she fades away like you’ve said.  I can’t do this forever.  It hurts so much.  I hope your okay with me whining to you.  You are the only ones that i can really talk about this with.  Man i feel really depressed and hurt.  this is freaking amazing.  How someone can bring you so much joy and happiness in your life and they can also bring you so much pain and misery.  WOW!  I really need a hug from someone.  damn!

    #210029
    Brandy
    Participant

    Hi John,

    Did you read what nextsteps wrote to you a few days ago? It was good, thoughtful advice and you didn’t even acknowledge it. Others have given you advice too that I’m not sure you’ve acknowledged yet. And what about what anita wrote? Have you thought about what she said about your not wanting to look at what is really happening? If I were you I’d re-read that and all her questions from much earlier on this thread and then respond to them.

    So what’s really happening? What’s the story with your older child, the one who’s expecting this fall? And why hadn’t you seen your sister in four years? I’m way out of my comfort zone now but I’ll continue what anita started much earlier on this thread: what’s your relationship like with your parents, siblings, children (all of them, not just the younger ones), coworkers, etc.? Seems like you have a lot of pain that has nothing at all to do with your ex, and there are a lot of well intentioned members on this forum who can help you if you let them.

    B

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