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Nothing like the end of a relationship to make us re-evaluate our thinking, feeling and expectations of this thing we call love. Will you turn the experience against yourself or will you take a different path and choose growth? If you are able follow through the dark wood I have no doubt that you will discover a deeper relationship to yourself and this thing we call Love. It is because love is both bitter and sweet, often in the same moment, that gives it its flavor.
When my relationship ended I couldn’t understand what happed. I wanted to believe she never really loved me. For a time, I need to believe that because I let her see me and it hurt so much to think that after seeing me she rejected me and rejecting me didn’t love me.
The thing is we did love each other and that love was real. So, what happened. The question that kept coming into my thoughts was ‘What’s love got to do with it?’ My eventual answer: everything and nothing. Everything because we very much and still do care about each other and wanted to see the other become and excel. Nothing because even though we loved each other we weren’t compatible for marriage type relationship and that was something she very much wanted. The Stuff of life kept getting in the way. Had we gotten married one of us growth, or both, would have stagnated. The Stuff of life, homes, location, jobs, family, goals all worked against us. Life demands growth and so sometimes LOVE requires that a relationship end. Sometimes it’s the end of a relationship that is needed to push someone into becoming. Sad but often the case in the bitter sweet that is Love.
That said Relationships never end even if we don’t see the other person again. Its part of the bitter sweet. If we can get to a place where we can know (intuitively or mind) that the end was Love, That the All is LOVE, even when something didn’t work out as we hoped, any new beginning is possible.
PeterParticipantIs it possible that you aren’t really missing this guy “who you feel never really loved you” but instead miss the person you felt you were when you were in relationship? Missing the imagined future that you imagined and felt possible while you were with him.
To move forward its important to become conscious of what it is we are really morning the loss of. Taking time to mourn a loss is an important part of the process however one needs to be very clear on what they are mourning.
Your post indicates that you know why the relationship wasn’t going to work (possible that it wasn’t related to love at all just the stuff of life)
We tend to repeat and recreate our past, however that is not because we are unworthy or gluten for punishment, (though some are) but because our authentic Self wants us to heal the past. I know it sounds strange but changing perspective on why the past keeps repeating can be a doorway out. Your authentic Self knows you are worthy, lovable, and deserving. You are worthy, lovable and deserving. It’s the ego small s self that fears its not worthy or deserving. Create some space, change perspective and you will change the story your telling yourself. You may discover that it was the story that was driving your emotions and current experience. A story filled with unhelpful labeling and judgments.
“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality. -Seneca
PeterParticipantRarely are opportunities presented to you in a perfect way. In a nice little box with a yellow bow on top. ‘Here, open it, it’s perfect. You’ll love it.’ Opportunities — the good ones — are messy, confusing and hard to recognize. They’re risky. They challenge you. Susan Wojcicki
In other words, life is messy. I’m sorry your going through a difficult time. I did a quick google search on ‘How to achieve the peace in your life when you have never had it’ and there were pages of results. It seems many people struggle with the same problem so you’re not alone.
Based on my own experience with the issue the first step was to create space to really look at what I was feeling and thinking. This may sound strange but allot of my stress and unhappiness was about being stressed and unhappy. I was stressed about being stressed! Well that was pointless so for me the next step was a change of perspective on stress and uncertainty. It came down to fear. I was afraid of feeling stress, stress was something bad, it was messy but what if I stopped being afraid of stress and instead set an intention to noticed it without judging/measuring it (or myself) and instead accept it as a piece of information. It took time but eventually instead of fighting stress and mess which creates a kind of physic log jam I could allow it flow. I still get stuck sometimes however the moments now last a few hours or a day vice weeks.
It can time to change perspective/habit (stress can become a habit) the trick is to start. Make an intention to change the way you deal with stress and the messes of life and then take a step. As you learn better do better what more can you ask of yourself?
PeterParticipantSometimes we don’t get to know why someone we cared about moves on without us. (Sometime we must give to ourselves what we hope to have be given by others) It hurts. Not only do we mourn the loss of the friend we mourn the loss of the imagined future. For what ever reason often it’s the loss of the imagined future that hurts the most… perhaps because it leaves us uncertain about the future. Of course, the future is never certain the first step is the practice of letting go and returning to the present.
Another step to moving forward is in accepting doubt. Doubt is to Faith as Fear is to Courage. It is in times of doubt that we discover and exercise our Faith (even if we are unsure of our Faith (what we lean on in times of doubt)
Doubt does not have to end in a loss of confidence. There is a time for all things even doubt. This may be a time for doubt, for you not to know, a time to sit in the wound and wonder (The etymology of the word “wound” comes for the Germanic word, “wunde”. A direct derivative of this word is “wunder”. And in English, that word is translated as “wonder” – it is often during moments of pain when we discover how to be alive and that is a wonder) In other words don’t fight what your feeling, feel it and see what it has to tell you. As you become more connected to your self, like will attract like and you will find the friends you hope for. You will find your tribe
The following book might be helpful – The Five Longings, What We’ve Always Wanted and Already Have
“There are five longings deep within us. They are for love, meaning, freedom, happiness, growth. Each of these five reveals us to ourselves, showing us what we want, what our life is for, what keeps us going, what keeps us looking. Longings are mysterious. We often can’t quite name or explain them. Nor can they ever be perfectly, fully, or finally gratified. We shyly or loudly bring our longings to others. Sometimes we find more than we hoped for, sometimes less. Our healthy practice is a radical one: We notice and ask for some fulfillment of our longings from those we trust. We give up expecting all or perfect satisfaction. We notice that we have longings for the lasting in a world that is always changing. We can take that as a clue to the presence of something transcendent in us. With such spiritual consciousness we finally discover that all five longings reflect qualities in our true nature. We are seeking what we are.”
PeterParticipantI found the following book helpful. ‘This Time I Dance!: Creating the Work You Love’ by Tama Kieves
We all look for what will make us happy in life, but we don’t always make the choices that we should when it comes to sustaining that happiness. Tama Kieves shows how to do just that: how to stay happy and employed doing something you love, and what it takes to stop being a stressed-out worker and make peace with your career-and, most important, with yourself. Filled with solutions to the anxieties and roadblocks you may confront on your path, This Time I Dance! is for all those who are unfulfilled at work and uncertain of the practical steps that they should follow to achieve their dreams.
PeterParticipantWhen you’re in transition, you will need to find a different kind of security. It’s not one of labels, guarantees or bank balances. It’s guidance – the directions of your own inner voice. Moment by moment you know what to do. You are safer than ever before. Tama J. Kieves
From reading your post it sounds like you know what you want to do the only question is if you will follow. That does not necessary mean having to immediately jumping without a net,,, though the time will come when a jump will be required. It took me years to prepare the way for my career change, but that is my personality I need a idea or vision to work towards and most of the time my vision wasn’t clear so I took one step at a time.
You can’t force yourself to say “yes” to a bigger life. You will do it in your way. You will do it when smallness hurts too much. Tama J. Kieves
I found the following book helpful. ‘This Time I Dance!: Creating the Work You Love’ by Tama Kieves
We all look for what will make us happy in life, but we don’t always make the choices that we should when it comes to sustaining that happiness. Tama Kieves shows how to do just that: how to stay happy and employed doing something you love, and what it takes to stop being a stressed-out worker and make peace with your career-and, most important, with yourself. Filled with solutions to the anxieties and roadblocks you may confront on your path, This Time I Dance! is for all those who are unfulfilled at work and uncertain of the practical steps that they should follow to achieve their dreams.
December 9, 2017 at 7:33 pm in reply to: Daughter Is Upset I Met With Estranged Sister Just Diagnosed With Stage 4 Cancer #181301PeterParticipantYou followed your heart and did what you felt was right. There is no need for you to apologise or defend your choice. Is your daughter worried that you might get sucked back into unhealthy family drama? Ensuring that you have set boundaries might reassure her. From what you have posted it is possible that seeing your family will trigger unresolved issues so you need to be careful.
You and your daughter might find it helpful to work through the following book: ‘Bonds That Make Us Free: Healing Our Relationships, Coming to Ourselves’ by C terry Warner (the book focus is on taking ownership of our own emotions and story. There are some who feel this means letting those that hurt us off the hook. It does not. We cannot change what others think, feel, or do. We can though work on ourselves. There are times when love requires a relationship to end and if that moment comes it is not out of anger or list of justifications that it is ended. It ends from a place of love. No bridges burned just healthy boundaries. )
December 9, 2017 at 7:01 pm in reply to: Please Help: I don't feel or act like a good person anymore #181293PeterParticipant“This grand show is eternal. It is always sunrise somewhere; the dew is never all dried at once; a shower is forever falling; vapor is ever rising. Eternal sunrise, eternal sunset, eternal dawn and gloaming, on sea and continents and islands, each in its turn, as the round earth rolls.”—Joh n Muir
Spring turns to Summer, Summer turns to Fall, Fall turns to Winter, Winter turns to Spring. Life is a cycle of constant change, death (as in letting go) and rebirth.
Physiologically the key moments of transition happen as we mature: 1. Infancy: 2. Early childhood: 3. Middle childhood: 4. Late childhood: 5. Adolescence: 6. Early adulthood: 7. Mature adulthood: 8. Old age:
When we enter into the transition of early adulthood we are confronted with what we were taught – school, societal expectations, family traditions, expectations, labels… and our own experience of life. The task here is to make what we believe our own. More often then not we start this task unconsciously which is why we might lash out at others.
We want to belong and we want to become our authentic self. The tension we experience as we take ownership of our thinking and feeling can be experienced as threatening to those that love us as well as ourselves. If we think and want different things then, what we might think, our family wants of us do we still belong, will we still be loved. In this uncertainty we lash out, angry not just at others but mostly at ourselves which we project onto others. It can be a very confusing time
Making the process of the transitions of life conscious we can respond to the uncertainties instead of react to them. This is where the practice of meditation comes in handy. When we own our thoughts and emotions there is no need to lash out
There is no shame in seeking out professional to help you untangle your thoughts and emotions. If there is no one in your area there are plenty of helpful books. You may find the work of Clarissa Pinkola Estés helpful – ‘Women Who Run With the Wolves (If your open to the idea of symbolic language and story) Or David Ricco – How to be an Adult (everyone should read that book)
PeterParticipant“At every stage of life, our inner self requires the nurturance of loving people attuned to our feelings and responsive to our needs who can foster our inner resources of personal power, lovability, and serenity. Those who love us understand us and are available to us with an attention, appreciation, acceptance, and affection we can feel. They make room for us to be who we are.”
“When we feel unsafe with someone and still stay with him, we damage our ability to discern trustworthiness in those we will meet in the future.”
“The opposite of interpersonal trust is not mistrust. It is despair. This is because we have given up on believing that trustworthiness and fulfillment are possible from others. We have lost our hope in our fellow humans.”
“The foundation of adult trust is not “You will never hurt me.” It is “I trust myself with whatever you do.”
― David Richo: How to Be an Adult in Relationships
December 7, 2017 at 9:41 am in reply to: Why do I get easily jealous of others instead of feeling happy for them? #180945PeterParticipant“…feelings like disappointment, embarrassment, irritation, resentment, anger, jealousy, and fear, instead of being bad news, are actually very clear moments that teach us where it is that we’re holding back. They teach us to perk up and lean in when we feel we’d rather collapse and back away. They’re like messengers that show us, with terrifying clarity, exactly where we’re stuck. This very moment is the perfect teacher, and, lucky for us, it’s with us wherever we are.” ― Pema Chödrön
“Do. Or do not. There is no try.” – yoda
My intention is not to be flippant… that is exactly what you will discover as you practice noticing your jealousy and choosing to allow the thoughts and emotion to pass through vice fixating on them and projecting them onto others.
By noticing and acknowledging that being jealous of others is not who you wish to be you are on the path to move past such emotions. You also appear to be aware that your jealousy is a projection of anger onto others whose way of being somehow reveals perceived personal shortcomings within yourself. Knowing this you can start to practice being grateful to those that show you where you hope to do better and in this way, can be happy for them and yourself.
(Practice when viewed as trying assumes that what we are trying to do is perfect and certain which can close the door to learning better and loving oneself as we are. Practice as a way of being and doing has the goal of learning better and learning better doing better which opens the door to creativity and gratefulness. )
“The only reason we don’t open our hearts and minds to other people is that they trigger confusion in us that we don’t feel brave enough or sane enough to deal with. To the degree that we look clearly and compassionately at ourselves, we feel confident and fearless about looking into someone else’s eyes. ”
“Meditation practice isn’t about trying to throw ourselves away and become something better. It’s about befriending who we are already.”― Pema Chödrön
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PeterParticipantTrust your intuition. You may find the work of Clarissa Pinkola Estés helpful – ‘Women Who Run With the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype’
“The doors to the world of the wild Self are few but precious. If you have a deep scar, that is a door, if you have an old, old story, that is a door. If you love the sky and the water so much you almost cannot bear it, that is a door. If you yearn for a deeper life, a full life, a sane life, that is a door.”
Open the door and walk through
“I hope you will go out and let stories, that is life, happen to you, and that you will work with these stories… water them with your blood and tears and your laughter till they bloom, till you yourself burst into bloom.” ― Clarissa Pinkola Estés
PeterParticipantHaving a professional therapist to talk to can be a great help in untangling one’s thoughts and emotions. It sounds like you’re in a place where your open to that and ready to do the work to help you move forward. Trust your intuition.
Your post reminded me of a book I read long ago – ‘Learning to Fall: The Blessings of an Imperfect Life by Philip Simmons’
“From our first faltering steps, we may fall into disappointment or grief, fall into or out of love, fall from youth or health. And though we have little choice as to the timing or means of our descent, we may, fall with grace, to grace.”
I believe that to be a truth. The moment we are born we are falling. We can fall arms and legs flailing around in fear and panic or like a skilled sky diver arms and legs spread out enjoying the ride.
PeterParticipantThe danger in projecting into an imagined future is that you forget how to be present in the moment. So even when you arrive where you dreamed of going you might not recognize it when you get there. Anger is a double edge sword it can help you identify what you want to change but also cut you off from who you want to be.
You can have what your looking for where you’re at… if you allow yourself to be where you’re at.
PeterParticipantI read somewhere that at some level those that become therapists do so in the hopes of fixing and understanding their own issues. If you were helping someone with this empty feeling how would you say to them?
Everyone needs to feel needed and appreciated however you want to be careful it doesn’t become a compulsion and or means to distract yourself from your own becoming.
December 5, 2017 at 11:05 am in reply to: Please Help: I don't feel or act like a good person anymore #180641PeterParticipantExperiencing Spiritual emptiness at times is normal. As for these intense emotions your feeling it sounds like you’re in a transition stage and have lost connection with your sense of self. During a transition it is also ‘normal’ to feel lost and irritated, and being lost and irritated lashing out.
If this is a time of transition is it possible that your experiencing expressed (and or unexpressed) expectations from family, friends, society… to be, think and act in a way that isn’t authentic to you. That could explain the anger and ‘hatred’ especially if you’re not sure about the path you want to follow. That anger and hate could be a projection onto others about how you feel about yourself.
A professional therapist could help you sort out your thinking and emotions as well as teach to techniques for dealing with anger and the like.
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