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Dear lk09,
I could not figure out why I felt sad, I think I have a little idea now. I was belittling myself again, unknowingly.
I am glad you recognized the negative thoughts that might be fueling your feeling of sadness.
I feel otherwise light and happy within but there still remains a void
Pay attention if that void shrinks when you tend to the toddler within you, and tell her how lovable and precious she is. If you have an old photo of yours from that early period, perhaps you can put it somewhere where you can see it, and send positive thoughts and feelings to that little girl.
I am glad your parents let you off the hook for now. You’re 5 years younger, so if I were you, I’d insist on getting more time to find the man you love. You can tell them that your sister was given till the age of 32, so you too should be given at least a few more years. Be adamant about it. Till now your sister has always had better treatment and was tolerated much more than you were tolerated. It’s time this changed – demand equal treatment because it’s an issue of great importance to you.
And try to relax, dear lk09, you still have plenty of time in front of you, and you’ve made great progress in understanding yourself and taking care of yourself. You’re doing great. And it’s not your fault that your boyfriend left you. There’s nothing wrong with you. You’re perfectly capable of being a great companion. And you deserve someone who can fully appreciate you. That someone will show up, perhaps when you least expect it, but they will show up, for sure. In the meanwhile, it’s important that you think positive thoughts about yourself, that you love yourself, value yourself, and all the rest will follow, just give it time….
- This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
good to hear from you again. I am sorry you’re struggling again….
Have your parents pressured you into meeting marriage candidates since? You haven’t commented on my post about arranged marriages – do you think you’ll still have to succumb to your parents’ pressure if you don’t find anyone on your own?
I havenāt been sleeping well… I feel mentally drained and tired.
It sometimes feels like it has been years since we broke up when it has only been a month. I feel drained energetically to that point.
Some days I feel I will like someone healthy to be a part of my life but then I question if I am healthy? (mentally)
Should I be even affected by all this the way I am?
It appears your thoughts are torturing you, one of them being whether you’re mentally healthy to find a good guy to marry. It sounds like the same thought of “not being good enough”, or “there’s something wrong with me”. The child reacts like that when they are rejected and treated badly – they always blame themselves, not the parents. This thought might have formed first as a result of being given to your granny (i.e. rejected by your parents), and then later, when being treated as the second-best, always less important than your sister. The child starts thinking “there must be something wrong with me”, “I am not good enough”.
I believe these thoughts are coming up now again, in relation to you being “rejected” by your boyfriend. The cure is in loving that little girl inside of you and telling her how much you love her and appreciate her, and how special she is to you… There’s nothing wrong with her, she’s a precious, adorable little baby, and she’s completely lovable. If you can imagine holding that baby in your arms, smiling at her, playing peek-a-boo with her… I am almost sure it would help…
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
regarding your health issues, have the symptoms you’ve mentioned (burning lungs, exhaustion, fever, tiredness and fatigue, palpitations, brain fog muscle pain, and chest pain) subsided over the past year, or they’re still bothering you? You say now it feels like chronic pain, and you can only walk for short distances. This can be due to long covid. Apparently simple breathing exercises have helped people with the same symptoms you listed, so you might want to take a look.
The scariest thing is that my inner child is still stuck in the past. Iām tired of living and dwell on the past. … Iām scared that my inner child will never heal.
The inner child can only heal if there’s a loving, compassionate adult to see it, comfort it, give it love and caring attention that you haven’t received as a child. You were living in a mortal fear of your father harming and perhaps even killing your mother. Probably that’s where your fear of losing your mother stems from. You weren’t comforted, and your mother didn’t or couldn’t leave the situation and take you and the kids away from your father’s threats. You had to live in such an environment for many years. Do you remember when you father stopped threatening her? How did the situation resolve?
I believe your inner child would need soothing and comforting above all other things, because fear seems to be your biggest issue. And now, after covid, you’re even more afraid what will happen with you, since your health has deteriorated. This new situation in which you’ve found yourself only exacerbates you old fears and your old sense of helplessness and hopelessness.
You’d need to soothe your inner child, but it might be difficult right now, feeling rather helpless about your health. Right now, you might be completely identified with your inner child, reliving your old fears. If so – if you cannot find a positive, compassionate, protector figure within yourself – you’d need to find such a figure outside of yourself. It can be a therapist, but since you didn’t have a good experience with therapy, you might look for a health coach or someone to help you with your immediate health problems, and in that way, indirectly, soothe your inner child as well. Or if you’re religious, God can fill the role of a loving, compassionate parental figure, who’ll soothe your pain and give you hope.
Do you have an idea how you could soothe your inner child? Does anyone come to mind?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Boris1010,
good you’re seeing things clearly and don’t blame yourself for how things turned out with your AA friend. She probably doesn’t want to greet you because she’s afraid you might misunderstand it. She’s defending herself like that… But it’s great you got “unhooked” from her and are moving on. I imagine it gives you a sense of peace. You’ve learned your lesson – and the biggest lesson I believe is what you’ve learned about yourself.
I do wish you success in your journey ahead – small, but steady steps, and seeing yourself with new eyes. You’re talented, Boris, you actually write very well. You said you had nothing to say, but oh boy, you already said so much, and you’ve only just scratched the surface. Perhaps you discover writing as another passion of yours, beside figuring out mechanical systems š
Wishing you all the best, and post whenever you feel the need!
- This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
you’re very welcome, I am glad you feel heard and understood.
As a 7 year old child i found myself a way with that waterā¦ i feel that if i dont found that method, maybe iāll be more screwed up nowā¦ and i feel emotional typing this.
It shows you were a resourceful and smart kid. You solved your own problem when the adults, including psychologists, couldn’t for full 4 years. Thanks to that, you can now eat almost anything, as long as you drink water with it. That’s not a small success! In the next phase, you can try techniques such as EMDR and EFT (tapping) because they are supposed to work with these types of traumas. Look it up if there’s a therapist who applies EMDR or an EFT practitioner in your area and inquire if they can treat a problem with swallowing.
Rest assured you’re not the only one in the world with this problem. There are people who can’t swallow either due to physical or psychological issues, and I am sure you could find them online if you’re interested. But you’re definitely not the only one, don’t worry.
I think the problem of me struggling with my height is due to that my mother always force me to have good grades as a childā¦ as she saw i have weakness in eating and i have to be better at something. And since then, i really dont wanna be left behind. And due to short height, i feel like iām left behind with āpeople that i should be in front onā.
It appears you felt deficient, and your mother treated you as there were something wrong with you. You felt like a failure because you couldn’t meet her expectations about eating. Maybe she was telling you something like “I am so sad about you not eating, I worry about your future. What will become of you? At least you should study well and have good grades. If you had good grades, I wouldn’t worry so much.”
I imagine she had this aura of disappointment and worry about you (the opposite of eagerness and having faith in you), which can destroy a child’s motivation. A child’s self-confidence. If you’re a disappointment, why bother with anything? Why bother with school, with good grades, when you’ll never be good enough for your mother. That’s how a child is reasoning. Why bother with sports either… and so you become lazy and unmotivated. You become someone you’re not proud of, neither are your parents proud of.
But it’s the result of how you were seen by your mother. It’s the result of her seeing you like a disappointment and a reason to worry. And then you started seeing yourself like a disappointment too, and behaving like a disappointment too.
How did you do in school? And later at the university? Did you have good grades, or not so much? What did you study – is it something relevant for your father’s business? Is there a position in your father’s company that interests you the most? I am asking because you could help and work beside the employee who’s currently filling that position, and learn how to do it well, so you can take it over sometime in the future.
As you’re helping in the company, you may also be noticing what needs improvement, and can suggest ideas for improvement to your father. What I am trying to say is that if you’re interested in continuing your father’s business, you can start thinking about how to improve it, modernize it, expand it, innovate it etc… you could bring your personal stamp and contribution to the business. You might be surprised how resourceful and creative you are – just like that 7-year old kid who saw a bottle of water!
When you stop seeing yourself as a disappointment, but as full of potential – things will start changing for you. Do you think you can do that? Do you think you can get rid of the “I am a disappointment” label, and put another one: “I am smart, creative and resourceful – I am full of great ideas”?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
Iāve struggled with burning lungs, exhaustion, fever, tiredness and fatigue, palpitations, brain fog muscle pain, and chest pain. As I have a history of drug addiction, I canāt take any medication, making the pain worse. At the moment, everything feels like chronic pain.
It does seem like long covid unfortunately š I don’t know much about it but googled it now, and it seems doctors have been experimenting with breathwork as a potential treatment, since long covid seems to affect the autonomous nervous system. The results are promising.
A few minutes ago I posted two links where you can read about it, but the post is awaiting moderation. Until then, you can google these words: putrino breathing long covid, and it will give you an article from The Atlantic and other sources where breathwork is mentioned as potential treatment.
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I am glad your relationship with your mother improved somewhat in the last years. What you’re expressing now is the voice of your inner critic, listing everything you did wrong and how your messed up your life, as well as the relationships with your loved ones. This inner critic is telling you that “I have failed as a son, brother, grandson, nephew, cousin, and friend“. It’s berating you for using drugs as a teen, and then for using work as an escape and neglecting your family for an entire 10 years.
What this inner critic isn’t saying and isn’t even interested in is WHY you used drugs as a teen, why you struggled with depression, why you needed to escape by sailing off to for-away countries. It’s because of the pain you encountered as a child, living with a father who abused your mother and threatened to kill her. It’s because of growing up in such horrendous, frightening circumstances.
You say that you mentally broke down in your 20s after your then-girlfriend had an abortion (I was devastated, heartbroken, and had a mental breakdown. For almost a year I was numb and dead inside.) But I think it was just the final nail in the coffin of your misery and pain, causedĀ by your traumatic childhood. You say it has always been your dream to have children, preferably in your early 20s, to see them grow up and have their own children, to be in their life for a long time, to see your grandchildren grow.
I believe it was a dream of a better life, a different life than the one you had as a child. You romanticized it, you put all your hopes in it. But when it was so rudely shattered, all your dreams shattered with it too and you went numb and depressed. What you saw as your ticket to a better, happier life wasn’t going to happen. And it broke you. But as I said, it wasn’t the only reason you broke down, it was just the last straw.
The inner critic is judging you and condemning you harshly. But what you’d need to understand is that everything that you’re condemning yourself for is a reaction to your pain. It’s a reaction to the pain of that little boy who had to endure a childhood with such a father, in such horrible circumstances. Your addiction, your depression, your escapism – it’s all a reaction to your pain.
You’d need to acknowledge there’s a wounded inner child in you – this boy is still living in you – and he needs your compassion, not judgment. He needs your understanding, not scolding. He’s been hurt and doesn’t need another punch in the stomach, another cut into his wound – rather, he needs you to see him and have compassion for him. You need to protect him from that inner critic who wants to keep slamming him.
How does this sound to you? Can you find compassion for that little boy who suffered so much while growing up?
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I am sorry you’re going through a lot of pain right now. You say you contracted covid last year and that your health has been deteriorating since. Does it mean you have long covid, with long-term health issues that won’t go away?
You talk about your mother’s difficult life and that you feel you’re the cause of her suffering (“I have always felt responsible for ruining my motherĀ“s life“). The child always feels responsible for their parents’ unhappiness, even if he/she has nothing to do to with it. Your mother “was the victim of physical and mental abuse by my āfatherā, harassed, endured death threats, and then was left alone as my father left her for his mistress.” – this is what caused your mother’s pain and suffering, not you.
But the child believes it’s their fault, because it gives them a sense of hope – if they would only change, their mother would be happy. But you as a child couldn’t really do anything to stop your father from abusing your mother and sending her death threats. You couldn’t have prevented your mother’s suffering. It’s not your fault that her abuse happened.
Therefore, it breaks my heart to admit that Iāve never been there emotionally for my mother. I have taken her for granted my whole life. Iāve never asked her how she felt, never shown any concerns or any caring.
Children often take their parents for granted, they aren’t mature enough to have compassion, because they worry about their own needs being met. That’s perfectly normal. A child cannot give emotional support to the parent, because they aren’t equipped for that. In fact, if they try to do that – to be their parent’s emotional caretaker – they end up suffering because they can never provide adequate help and can never make the parent happy. The parent still suffers and the child feels like a failure because they didn’t manage to make the parent happy. It’s a futile attempt, so please don’t blame yourself for that either.
But now you’re an adult, you can show compassion for your mother, you can tell her how sorry you are for everything she’s been through, and how grateful you’re for taking care of you and your siblings so selflessly. It’s not late for that, you can express love and gratitude to your mother now… Do you think it would be possible? How would it make you feel?
TeeParticipantDear Boris1010,
you’re welcome, I am happy to have helped. It’s unfortunate that you haven’t felt protected by your mother, even though she didn’t criticize you herself. Maybe she didn’t want to get into conflict with your stepfather? My father was a little bit like that – he never attacked me or criticized me, but he didn’t defend me much either from my mother’s criticism, so I felt somewhat betrayed. He always tried to be a “peacemaker” and never took a stand, and never really stood up either for me or for himself, for that matter. Maybe your mother didn’t speak up for herself either?
It’s good you’re seeing yourself with new eyes and setting boundaries (I assume with your wife?) of what’s acceptable and what’s not. That’s a great progress, just keep at it!
As for your lady friend, I am not sure she ran away and disappeared because of you. You said that after she moved to another part of the country, she participated in the Zoom meetings for a while, and then she stopped that too. Probably she’d relapsed and felt ashamed to join… But she does have a sponsor now, so I guess she rejoined AA, perhaps with another group? I assume that if she wants help, she can get all the help and support she needs, so don’t blame yourself for her “jumping ship”.
TeeParticipantDear anonymous03,
I am fine, thank you, had my 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday, so should be fully protected in a week or so. My husband got AstraZeneca, since Pfizer wasn’t available at that time, and we were in a rush to have him vaccinated ASAP. I am not super happy about AZ, since it’s not effective against some of the variants, but it’s still good enough. He’s still waiting for his 2nd shot, because the time span between the two shots is longer than for Pfizer. But I feel much more peaceful since we got the vaccine, it’s a world of difference.
I agree with your point that these āconspiracy theory believersā arenāt open to facts and science. I even know that they have limited to no understanding of biology. I feel it is their own fear acting up.
Actually I have a theory that some of the people who feel “oppressed” by wearing a mask and who claim that their human rights are being violated might have actually been oppressed as children, by their parents. They have a problem with authority figures and the government as such, believing that there’s a conspiracy of world-wide surveillance, chipping and loss of freedom. The fear of losing that freedom seems irrational for us, because we know it’s just temporary and for epidemiological reasons, but for them, it’s almost like a mortal fear, and there’s nothing that could persuade them that there’s no conspiracy to subdue or enslave them.
I believe that such strong sentiments and irrational thinking can only be due to some subconscious, inner child fear. I know some of those people – they’re proud to be rebels and free-thinkers, and not “sheep” like the rest of us. So I believe they rebelled against their oppressive parents, who used to crush their will and punish them severely for their transgressions (perhaps made them kneel in the corner for hours, or similar humiliating, almost sadistic things). But they haven’t processed it properly (e.g. dealt with anger at their parents in therapy), so they’re still fighting in their mind, but now projecting their anger and fear at the government who wants to “take away their freedom”. Anyway, this is what I came up with, after observing a few of such acquaintances and their reasoning on social media.
But when it comes to these arguments, sometimes I think it is not just my fears talking. It may also be my scientific background. It kind of hits home when people simply refuse to look at and try to understand evidence. It may also be my arrogance, I guess. What do you think?
Perhaps. Maybe you feel they’re disrespecting you when they don’t listen to your scientifically backed arguments? If you take it personally, as a personal attack on your knowledge and expertise, and an attempt to humiliate you – then it’s probably an inner child wound involved, where your self-esteem might feel damaged. I don’t know, just lamenting about the possibilities…
Thank God you haven’t lost any family members to Covid. I do hope you get vaccinated soon, and till then, keep up your faith and your prayers. I haven’t seen movie The Help (or read the book), but if it helps you to write down your prayers, and you enjoy writing, then yes, by all means do it!
May 7, 2021 at 11:51 pm in reply to: Trying to let go of relationship / understand how I got here #379487TeeParticipantDear lily,
I go out on dates with people who seem kind, honest, loving, and willing to give more, and yet I feel ZERO attraction or chemistry with them.
It’s because you (the inner child in you) is still attracted to people who remind you of your mother. The inner child hopes that our partner – who is similar to our parent – would finally give us the love we craved but never received from our parent, and that this way we would have a happy ending. That’s the inner child’s unconscious reasoning. That’s why you’re attracted to people who give you very little, who criticize you, who have strong political/religious beliefs, etc.
With people who are kind and loving there’s no chemistry because the inner child doesn’t recognize similarity with your mother.
In order to heal, you’d need to be a loving, compassionate parent to your inner child. This would counteract the harsh, inner critic, which I assume you have and which is the internalized voice of your mother. You’d need to give your inner child love, care, positive attention, freedom to express herself, and a sense that she’s worthy and special (i.e. validation). This will “demagnetize” your craving to get love from someone like your mother…
TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
regarding your son, you say that you’re still trying to deal with the trauma around his birth, which actually deepened your depression. Did I understand well that before your son was born, you sometimes had manic episodes too (you were diagnosed with bipolar disorder at the age of 26), but, since you gave birth to your son, at 35, you’ve mostly experienced depression and the manic episodes are gone?
If you haven’t managed to heal the trauma surrounding your son’s birth, does it mean you’re blaming him, at least in part, for almost causing you to die? Is there some resentment in you towards your son?
TeeParticipantDear Boris1010,
you’re welcome. I actually read about that same research about the injured prefrontal cortex which then results in the inability to make decisions. I’ve just looked it up again, it was discovered by neuroscientist Antonio Damasio, and it’s called somatic marker theory. He discovered that when the prefrontal cortex is injured, the information from our emotional centers in the brain (the limbic, aka mammalian brain – hypothalamus, amygdala etc) doesn’t reach the thinking part of the brain – the neocortex, and without this crucial info, we cannot make decisions. That would be like not having the gut feeling (or in case of injury, the gut feeling not being relayed to the thinking/decision making part of the brain).
It’s good to know you do have a gut feeling with mechanical systems. It’s probably because you know those systems so well, you’ve been working with them for decades, so you can almost “feel” them. If you knew people so well, and primarily, if you knew yourself well – on the emotional level – you would have the same ability to feel things, to read cues… to have emotional intelligence, I guess.
I donāt think Iām ācut outā to mesh well with others. STILL far too self-absorbed, bouncing around in my own little world, which I have to be yanked out of if she wants my attention, for the most part. Itās just how I am, not a deliberate choice. Itās my ādefault state,ā to use a programming term (not a programmer, just familiar with what goes into it). I can haul myself out of it, but itās an effort of will, and requires steady attention. Itās āwork,ā not something that comes naturally.
Well, you did manage to yank yourself out of your autistic little world for the sake of your lady friend. And she didn’t even need to do much, you were eager to reach out and open up… So yes, I think your experience with your lady friend was a ājump-startā on getting back in touch with your feelings. It’s good that it happened, and maybe it’s good that it ended too, because you wouldn’t have been ready, you still need to do work on yourself. But you’re moving in the right direction.
To help yourself, you can think of what is it that you felt when relating to her, what is it that made you eager to communicate and open up? You said there was a mutual understanding (“I’ve done that too!”), after which you didn’t feel so guilty any more. I guess you developed some compassion for yourself, when witnessed by another fellow traveler/sufferer?
You’ve never received compassion from your stepfather (as a side note, I don’t know about receiving compassion from your mother, and in general how your mother treated you after the divorce?), on the contrary he criticized and condemned you all the time. With your lady friend, and I guess in the entire AA community, you haven’t felt criticized – you felt understood and listened to, you received positive attention, you received compassion and understanding, you received support and encouragement. All those things you lacked in your childhood… I think the AA community allowed you to open up, it was a supportive, loving environment. And then your heart leapt to one particular woman there. But it was AA that enabled you to feel safe to open up.
So I guess that’s the precondition for you opening up to people and coming out of your shell: a loving, supportive environment. If your wife offers a hostile, criticizing environment, that’s something to consider. You’d need to be seen with new eyes, but before your wife can do it (if she’s able to do it at all), it’s you who’d need to see yourself with new eyes. See yourself as this loving and caring, enthusiastic person, who’s reaching out, helping others, sharing his story honestly, sharing his pain and struggles, and being his authentic self… See yourself as the new you, the real you, who’s been hiding in his shell for so long, but now his time has come… Do you think you can do that?
TeeParticipantDear Boris1010,
thanks for sharing some more. Here’s how I see it… Your wife comes from an alcoholic family (was her father an alcoholic?), so she was attracted to men who remind her of her father, although she wasn’t aware of that consciously. One of her affairs, for whom she left you for a year, was a violent man (possibly also an alcoholic?) who “tore up the apartment in a fit of rage”. Although a part of her is attracted to alcoholics, another part craves security, and that’s why she chose you.
You became “safe” in your 30s when you quit drinking. You were extremely safe – you were predictable like a robot, you did your job, was an excellent handyman, and tolerated her infidelities. She could meet her other needs (for romance, excitement, emotional sharing) with other men, but her strongest need – for safety – was met by you. You were her safe base, something she probably didn’t have while growing up.
You on the other hand had extremely low self-esteem and believed you don’t deserve better, when she started cheating on you early in your marriage. You were a weekend drunk, which contributed to your feeling unworthy. When she started having affairs, you probably had one more reason to drink, to soothe the pain and hurt. It wasn’t anything new for you to feel miserable, so her infidelities were just one more source of pain, that you added to your list. You continued the practice of binge drinking on the weekends and forgetting about all the troubles… until something came up inĀ your 30s, and you were forced to stop.
When you stopped drinking, you cut off your feelings altogether. You couldn’t afford yourself to feel anything because it would push you right back into drinking. With you being clinically depressed, she could relate to you less and less, and probably had even more need for other men. She even left you for a year, but then was shocked to the core when her boyfriend became violent. She run back to you, to her safe base. She was sure you’d never leave her, or never raise your hand on her. It felt good. That part feels good for her. When you started drinking again after your accident, she was adamant you seek help, because she couldn’t afford to lose the only thing she cherishes in your marriage: safety.
You say don’t trust your judgment. That’s because you’re cut off from your emotions and your gut feeling. Without it, we cannot know what we want, what’s good for us, or even what’s right or wrong. We can’t decide with our emotions being cut off. So working on switching your emotions back on is really important. You’ll also feel better about yourself, because you’ll know what you want and what you don’t want.
I guess somewhere deep down you’d find a lot of resentment towards your wife, for all the affairs and looking down at you over the years. Perhaps the sort of resentment you feel towards your stepfather?
You say you’re loyal to her. Physically, yes. Before the AA woman, you didn’t have any emotions, so it was easy to be loyal, I guess. After that, you started an emotional affair (albeit one-sided) with the AA woman, and all that suppressed love and romance and excitement – which your wife craves for too – went to another woman. So you’re physically loyal, but emotionally not.
Anyway, these are my remarks for now. Do you think I am seeing it right?
TeeParticipantDear Boris1010,
you’re welcome, and it’s Tee-Kay š
I’ve been wanting to mention your marriage, because that’s what you’re left with and what you’re living every day… Your relationship with your wife is important and I wonder if you’d like to talk a bit more about it.
You’ve said you got married at the age of 19, that you were quite immature for marriage, and that in your 30s you stopped drinking. Which means that you’ve been drinking at the time you got married and in the first more than a decade of your marriage. But your wife tolerated it? Or you were in the navy and not so much at home in those first years? Was it your wife who forced you to quit drinking in your 30s?
After you quit drinking, you became clinically depressed and numb, a little like a robot. Is it then that your wife started having affairs with other men? How come she never wanted to leave you? What do you think you provided for her? Security? She must also have a feeling of superiority, always mentioning your past transgressions, as if she herself didn’t have any. And you have a sense of inferiority, believing you’re hollow, cannot think straight, cannot trust your judgment etc etc… So the two of you are a match in that sense. As long as you feel inferior, she’ll be bringing it up and reminding you how flawed you are indeed…
If you’d like to talk a bit more about how your marriage got to be the way it is, please do so, it might turn out helpful.
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