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  • in reply to: wouldn’t be a mercy if i just ended my life? #382328
    Tee
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    Hi Murtaza,

    thanks for sharing a little bit about your childhood. Your big brother and big sister harassed you when they took away your toy, i.e. stopped you from playing videogames, or watching your favorite TV show whenever they pleased. Children can be cruel like that, so their behavior isn’t that surprising, but what I see as a bigger problem is that your parents didn’t protect you, e.g. they didn’t set some rules of behavior for your older siblings, or some rules about when and under what conditions you can watch TV or play videogames. You were the weaker one and your parents just left you at the mercy of your older siblings. That probably left you feeling like they don’t care about you, and that no one cares about you in general, because that’s the experience you got in your family.

    When you started experiencing pain in your stomach during the night, your mother probably didn’t soothe you lovingly, didn’t take you in her arms and caressed you (or did she?), but she just gave you a cloth to warm up your tummy and left, I suppose? After a while she was bothered by you and got impatient, and then you even stopped complaining. This was another experience of not receiving nurturing love and care, which possibly could have left you with feeling unlovable, unworthy of love. Also, you were afraid of dark but were reluctant to tell that to your mother, not to bother her even more.

    You had to face fear and anxiety alone and suffer alone, without consolation of a parent. That’s the hardest thing for a child to experience – suffering alone, in silence, with no one there to help him. Feeling in pain, both physically and emotionally, probably feeling unlovable, unworthy, and thinking that no one cares about you. Also feeling helpless, because at that time, as a child, you truly were helpless, unable to stop your stomach pain or your fear and anxiety. This could very easily be the basis for feeling hopeless about life, because what’s life if one has to suffer endlessly and their loved ones don’t care about him.

    Later, when your uncle would beat you and your father would allow it, it just reaffirmed your experience from childhood when you were harassed by your older siblings: being harassed and helpless to stop the harassment, and being at the mercy of others, who had the “right” to harass you simply because they were older. It could have given you the idea that the world is cruel and unfair and arbitrary, and you don’t want to take any part in it, because it just causes you suffering.

    The girl you liked, Noor, probably showed you more care with that one gesture of putting ice on your foot, than your own mother. You felt that’s true love – someone caring about you and your well-being, and not letting you suffer.

    As a child you used you imagine that you were hurt by your loved ones – which is what actually happened: you were hurt by your loved ones. Only in your fantasy they would love you eventually, but in real life, they wouldn’t – they hurt you and they didn’t care too much about your feelings. You didn’t even dare to wake up your mother when your stomach hurt (or when you were thirsty but afraid to go get water in the dark) because you knew she would be disturbed.

    This is what I am seeing from what you’ve described: you suffered a lot as a child and no one cared about you (except Noor and perhaps some random people who were nice to you – like that pharmacist recently). You saw glimpses of love and care, but 99% of time love was suffering (because those you loved didn’t love you back) and therefore, love is “too unreal” for you, and you end up apathetic, unwilling to live. Because what’s life without love…

    you know im sick and tired of being the blame, no matter how much arguments i provide, no matter how much reasons i give, its always my fault,

    It’s not your fault that you didn’t get the love and care you deserved. It’s not your fault that you were harassed. It’s not your fault that you were afraid of the dark, and that your stomach hurt. None of it is your fault. You deserved to be loved and cared for and comforted, you deserved to watch your favorite TV show. Your needs and desires were completely legitimate, but they weren’t taken into consideration, you were trampled over. None of that was your fault. You deserve better.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    in reply to: wouldn’t be a mercy if i just ended my life? #382200
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Murtaza,

    I am on holidays starting today, and won’t be spending too much time at the computer. But I am glad you showed a little bit of interest in healing, although don’t worry, I am not holding my breath šŸ™‚ i.e. I have no expectations from you to go for it, to start unpacking your childhood or anything like that. I am pretty tired at the moment and not very focused, but I didn’t want to wait an entire day without replying.

    Since you offered your help, and you asked about my childhood, what exactly this help gonna be? and what exactly do you want me to talk about?

    Well, you can tell me a little about your childhood. How you felt, when were you happy, when were you sad or scared or embarrassed, how you felt around your parents (e.g. were they supportive or criticizing/punishing), etc etc. Whatever comes to mind that sort of stuck in your memory, either in a positive or a negative sense.

    I don’t want to give you advice but to help you understand things better, e.g. understand what emotional needs you haven’t had met, which then caused problems later in your life.

    I kinda like you teak, i miss this kind of people, the funny thing is, i lost them before i even have them, how fast did that happen, maybe there is an afterlife afterall, a community of kind people, a job that’s isn’t a waste of time, a reduced fear and anxiety, a partner, a different mindset, that would be heaven, too unreal, this motivates me to do it,

    OK, notice there’s a part of you, even if it’s a very slight small voice, which believes that maybe, just maybe, there are valuable things in life, and you could have them too. Just notice it. Try not to dismiss it immediately, even if it’s “too unreal”. I know you said you don’t want any advice, but this is a little bit of coaching, if you’re open to it.

    but i develope more apathy along the way when i don’t, im in this hole deeper and deeper, its too late now to fix, and we should close the whole hole

    And there’s the other part of you, who is apathetic, says there is no point, says it’s too late now to fix. It wants to give up. It has already given up.

    So there’s a small tiny hopeful part, almost unnoticeable, almost completely silent, very weak, and a big and strong hopeless part, which always wins the argument.

    If you could just notice those two parts – without judgment, without wanting to get rid of either of them. Just be aware of them, know that they are there. Tell me how this sounds to you, and if you’ve managed to notice those two parts inside of you?

     

    in reply to: body image & eating disorders #382161
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Dee,

    There is one instance that occurred while I was in high school that did leave me feeling a little indifferent and not supported by my mother. I had an appointment with my primary doctor when I was 16, where I expressed to my doctor that I was experiencing a lot of anxiety and would be interested in receiving any kind of help for that. My mother essentially brushed this off when my doctor relayed this information to her, and asked me if I really needed help.

    Yeah, this doesn’t sound supportive at all. She dismissed your feelings and asked you if you really need help. I can imagine that you were expected not to need help because “I never really ā€œneededā€ any emotional support so I don’t think I received it.”

    All children need emotional support from their parents. There must be a reason why you thought you don’t need anything?

    I don’t know, hard to explain I guess I would say I had a fear of everything for a long time, I was very not open about things that I felt or thought. This has carried into my adulthood but not as severe.

    So you had fear and anxiety for a long time, and yet, you believed you don’t need emotional support from your parents. Perhaps you would have needed their help and support, but you thought you shouldn’t bother them because they had enough trouble with your brother? (I saw your discussion with anita on your other thread) If so, it’s not that you didn’t need it, but you suppressed that need. And then when you finally reached out to your doctor at the age of 16, sharing about your anxiety, your mother brushed it off as nothing. She wasn’t open to hearing about your problems, and it probably only confirmed your belief that you should suppress it, that you shouldn’t bother her with it. Do you think this is what might have happened?

    And then food could have easily served as comfort, as a distraction from painful feelings that you needed to suppress, and from fear and anxiety too…

     

     

    in reply to: wouldn’t be a mercy if i just ended my life? #382155
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Murtaza,

    True self exists – because I’ve experienced it.

    Lol, and im the one who dismiss science based on my preference

    šŸ™‚ Okay, a better way to put it would be: true self exists – and I’ve experienced it (and not just me, but numerous other people).

    I wonder where does this come from? God? Destiny?

    Yes, our divine essence… btw I believe in God as love, not limited to any scripture…

    its all about ā€œpureā€ love, where does this love come from? You think someone would love you purely?

    Here’s an example of pure, selfless love: you love a girl but she doesn’t love you back. You’re sad and all that, but you love her so much that you want her to be happy, you want what’s best for her, even if it’s not that she’d be with you. So you love her and let her go…

    people only love because its benefits them,

    In the above example, no, it doesn’t benefit the person directly, but still, it’s love…

     

    in reply to: wouldn’t be a mercy if i just ended my life? #382144
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Murtaza,

    Thank you for replaying teak, i should say that i needed validation to know that im not those things, but i thought about it and validate myself

    You’re welcome.

    As for the rest, I don’t want to argue or discuss further – you have a cemented opinion, and that’s it. I should say though that if you really had an interest in healing, you would find a way to scramble for at least one session, since you do have your father’s pension and seem to live a fairly pleasant life. It doesn’t seem like money should be such a huge problem for you, and even if it were, you could always get a temporary job to earn enough for the next session. But you don’t want to. And that’s fine, it’s your choice.

    True self exists – because I’ve experienced it. It’s our essence. It’s pure love and compassion and willingness to help, and faith and trust and lack of fear. It’s also where our unique gifts and talents are stored. That’s what I was referring to, not your wounded self.

     

    in reply to: body image & eating disorders #382142
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Dee,

    it’s not anita, it’s TeaK šŸ™‚

    It may very well be that being shamed about your body could have caused your ED. It seems that in a way, food was a forbidden pleasure for you, and you craved it. For me, food was almost the only allowed pleasure – my mother believed that I am not eating enough and should eat more, and once even force fed me because she was worried I was not getting enough nutrients. She cared a lot about feeding me properly (she would even get up early in the morning to cook a healthy meal for me before going to work), but didn’t care about feeding and nurturing me emotionally….

    How was your mother with supporting you emotionally, having compassion and understanding for you, not judging you? Was she among those who criticized you for your body weight?

    in reply to: body image & eating disorders #382128
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dee,

    I too suffered from an ED (binging and purging mostly) for quite a few years. I’ve come to believe (and experts claim it too) that it’s related to the lack of emotional nurturance that we’ve received from our mother. And so we use food to fill that emotional hole within… You said something interesting:

    I always figured after I turned 18 things would get better for me as far as meeting my fitness goals because I would no longer have to eat what my parents provided, or when they expected me to but I was wrong there.

    Seems like you had an issue with eating the food that you parents provided, and also to eat when they demanded you to. Could you expand on that a little bit?

     

    in reply to: Need some advice, as im so frustrated #382127
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Felix,

    But why do you think she’s provoking jealousy in me? Like i didnt text her anything besides birthday wish and she provokes me like that… I didnt do anything wrong.

    I don’t think she’s doing that to provoke you, I doubt it’s a targeted behavior against you. It’s just that her behavior is causing a reaction in you. But it’s not her fault, since she’s not your girlfriend and she hasn’t obliged to be loyal to you, or anything like that. Still, since her behavior disturbs you, it’s better not to be subscribed to her posts.

    As for birthday wishes, I don’t know. If her birthday is earlier than yours, you may want to wait and see if she congratulates you, and if she does, you can wish her happy birthday too. But do that only if you don’t have any expectations from her. Also, if she congratulates you, don’t start thinking that she wants to be with you. It may only be that she considers you an old friend, and out of politeness and because it was a custom for many years, she keeps the custom – but nothing more than that.

    Tbh i cant understand girls anymore after i saw her change like that… like i used to be with her for 5 years and never expect someone modest to become that coquettish. Also do u think if someone has become coquettish like that, do u think it’ll only become more coquettish through time?

    She was only 14 when you met her, practically a child still. She’s grown since, and no wonder she’s changing. Perhaps this seeking attention is only a phase too. I don’t know if she will remain like that, and if that’s her way of boosting her self-esteem, but what’s sure is that she’s still very young and she might change further as she gets older. It’s too early to tell.

    What’s certain is that there’s no point in expecting anything from her, and also torturing yourself with what she does or doesn’t post on social media. Instead, focus on yourself, on accomplishing things, exercising etc. This will slowly but surely help you build your self-esteem and make you feel better about yourself, and will reduce your anxiety about her too.

     

    in reply to: Need some advice, as im so frustrated #382119
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Felix,

    What do u think of this girl behavior, can u seem to analyzed it? Is she actually an attention seeking girl?

    It appears she is seeking attention, frequently posting selfies, asking questions like “do I look like this actress?”, posing in more provocative outfits… Earlier she told you she doesn’t want to seek attention of the opposite sex, since her parents forbid her to be in a relationship, but maybe now that she isn’t going to live with her parents any more, she feels freer and more keen to attract attention.

    What’s for sure is that she ‘s changed, and you don’t even like that change, because you liked it when she was modest and now she became coquettish. Maybe she’s not the same person you once knew – or maybe she didn’t show you this coquettish, attention seeking side before.

    In any case, I think it would be for your own good to unsubscribe from her instagram, because she’s only provoking anxiety and jealousy in you. You say that when you see those photos, you are hoping for a future with her. But the reality is that she directly told you not to expect anything from her, and she stopped chatting with you. She’s young, is going to soon live away from her parents, and is probably keen to explore life. You cannot make her stop, you cannot change her behavior, you cannot do anything but accept that her path is different than yours.

    The only thing you can do is to unsubscribe from her instagram and untangle yourself from her, because she has a bad influence on you. What might help you is to know that she’s different from the girl you knew and liked in the past, and herĀ  current self isn’t even attractive to you – except for the physical looks. But her personality is not attractive to you any more, so try to focus on that and let her go.

     

    in reply to: wouldn’t be a mercy if i just ended my life? #382115
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Murtaza,

    you mentioned me in two of your recent posts, and considering the developments here, I feel like saying something.

    I may sound arrogant, and rude sometimes, but i was never dishonest, that was a claim based on the image you bulild, pure projecting, a proof of my honesty is my replies to both peter and teak, by calling me those things, you made me re consider myself, (im i really that bad? Am i really dishonest? How?)

    My impression is that you were rude and arrogant with me, but I ascribed it to a part of you, not the entirety of who you are. The rude and arrogant part is the protective part, who is there to protect you from pain. I’ve already explained it in my earlier posts. In one brief moment you showed an openness to learn more about healing (on page 8):

    If you’d like to know some more, I’d be happy to answer.

    yes more, without the need of therapy nor people, just me and as clear as you can be (meaning when you say accept anxiety, i want you to tell me what exactly do i say and do)

    But very soon you abandoned the idea, saying you don’t have money for online therapy (and that there are no adequate therapists in Iraq – which I believe, specially since you had a bad experience with therapy in the past). When I mentioned quality online resources for free, e.g. videos of world-known expert in healing of trauma and addiction (dr. Gabor Mate), you stopped responding.

    I also offered my help (which is of limited capacity, but still) here on the forum – if you were willing to share a bit more about your childhood. You never took the chance. All this told me that you’re not really interested in helping yourself get out of your present state. Basically, it means your protective part is very strong and you’re almost completely identified with it, and so the smidge of interest you’ve shown in therapy and healing was immediately squashed by it. I accepted it and indeed, silently withdrew.

    What I can say however, is that I didn’t see you as manipulative or dishonest. You were the same all the time, rejecting all arguments, insisting you cannot or don’t want to change etc etc. You didn’t try to manipulate people on the forum, except that now, towards the end you said to anita that you might consider her argument if she gives you a good one. Which is not really true because there is no argument that can convince you to change your mind – to consider changing it one iota – at least for now.

    The proof for that is that sometimes, when it suits you, you use science as a proof that you’re right, and in the very next breath you say you don’t trust science. That’s how you can dismiss any argument you don’t like, and fill up all potential “cracks” where you could be reached. The end result: your fortress is super strong and guarded from all sides.

    So perhaps at the very end you were a little manipulative with anita, when you told her that if she presents a strong enough argument, you might consider it and even change – even though you knew there was nothing she could say to change your mind. But in general, taking the entire thread into consideration, I haven’t experienced you as manipulative or dishonest.

    You did respond with nice words to anita, but I don’t think it was to manipulate her, but because she treated you kindly too. She expressed her love and appreciation for you, she said she doesn’t quite understand why she feels like she does, but she felt love for you.

    You haven’t changed much throughout the course of the conversation, on page 11 you still claimed:

    Here i am, no feelings, no desires, no goals, only consuming, like an animal, at least an animal doesn’t have awareness, the drugs has made me even more apathetic, more numb, i kinda like it, this is why i laugh at everything that happens to me, because its all just a big joke, all of this

    But anita seems to have been hopeful that her love and affection might change you:

    I don’t have any other answer that you will be open to consider: ever since you first posted last summer, your intention was never to consider my thoughts and suggestions (or anyone else’s). Never has it been your intention to be open to change your thinking (or to change other people’s thinking). Your intention with me was to get a bit of attention and affection. You manage to receive it, but my attention, affection and love really make no difference in your life, not practically, and not in any way that will make you less interested in dying.

    You didn’t give her the reason to hope that you would change, but she still did hope, and then got disappointed. In my opinion, you haven’t mislead her or fool her – you were yourself all the way. Still unreachable, impenetrable, but true to your Protector. So I don’t see you as manipulative or dishonest.

    Having said that, I am sorry you’re unreachable at the moment. I do sincerely hope that this will change for you, and that you will have the chance to live from your true self, which is imprisoned within the walls of that fortress.

     

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    in reply to: Regretting a missed career opportunity abroad #382057
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dandan,

    it’s good to hear from you again! I am glad you’re doing the body transformation challenge and haven’t given up. I imagine it makes you feel a little better and more positive about yourself?

    I understand you weren’t ready last time to look deeper into the psychological stuff. But you might need to, at least a little, to resolve the dilemma about your ex girlfriend. You say: “I still can’t forget her. I haven’t had this closeness with anyone else“.

    Considering that you had 2 long-term relationships before her, one of them almost ending in marriage (and it didn’t only because of her parents, not because you didn’t want to get married) – it means quite a lot. I mean, if you wanted to get married to a girl with whom you felt less close than to your ex, then it would make sense to seriously consider your ex for marriage as well. At least that’s how I see it.

    You say you weren’t this confused before the pandemic:

    I wasn’t this confused pre pandemic. I always had people, friends around and that gives me mental strength.

    Your confusion may have to do with the fact that you’re living with your parents. It triggers and amplifies your feeling of insecurity, even hopelessness. Because growing up with a sad and depressed mother, and never really succeeding in making her happy although you tried your best – can lead to a feeling of hopelessness. You may be unconsciously thinking something like: “today things are good and we may laugh (when mom is happy after seeing a good movie), but tomorrow it may all come crashing down and we may lose it again. I may lose it again (when mom is depressed and I cannot console her).”

    So, you might have this feeling that happiness is fleeting, and that you will lose it sooner or later – because that’s how you felt while growing up. And now that you’ve been living with your family for l,5 years, the feeling is stronger and you cannot shake if off. You don’t have the mental power to resist it on your own.

    Please consider that this might be a problem, and that living with your parents affects you negatively. It affects your thought process too, making you even more insecure, confused and hopeless.

    You might want to consider that the fears you had/have about your ex are also magnified by living at your parents’ place. If you want to have more clarity, you’d need to move away from home. I believe you’d need to do that before you start applying for jobs abroad, before making any major decision in life. Because now you’re trapped in this thinking, and even if you get a good offer, you will most probably refuse it, like you did in the past:

    I have this feeling is grass is greener the other side on all the aspects of my life. Every single thing. Even about job. I have an interview tomorrow at Bloomberg and I know even if I crack it, from that moment, I will feel negative about the offer and moving to different country. But now when I am here with a different company, I want to try for companies outside. My mind keeps switching so frequently. There is something fundamentally wrong with my thought process.

    Yes, your through process is hijacked by your fears and the feeling of hopelessness and worthlessness – everything you felt as a little boy. In order to help yourself, you’d need to move away from home – as prerequisite No1. What do you think about it? Do you think it’s feasible?

    I sometimes think was it all a mistake, that we both met in the first place.Ā  … I wonder was it a mistake that I met her in the first place or that’s how people meet the liked ones in the world.

    Many love stories are born from “chance” encounters. Why do you think it was a mistake? If you felt more close with her than with anybody else, then it can’t be a mistake – but rather a gift?

     

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Tee.
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Luna,

    it seems to be that in the beginning he tried to “save” you, and was very enthusiastic about your relationship. Then he got disillusioned (like he does with other things in his life, such as photography), and he reverted to his normal self – which is feeling anxious, worthless, lacking enthusiasm, somewhat depressed, exhibiting passive aggressive and other immature behavior, and last but not least, lacking interest in the relationship (“he does not know why he gets bored easily after some time in a relationship”).

    You liked his enthusiasm and energy in the beginning of your relationship. You don’t like his present self, because he’s not listening to your complaints – he tends to shut you up and tell you you’re overreacting. He gets scared when you talk about your suicidal thoughts, and this makes you feel alone. He doesn’t want to talk about his problems and his emotions with you. He stonewalls you and then sulks if you demand that he talk to you.

    It seems that at this point, you can’t stand each other’s bad mood, and cannot really support each other in any way:

    I cannot stand his bad mood, and this has made both of us tired of each other. I cannot face someone else’s negative energy when I am in a bad mood I can’t take it and Im sorry about this.

    In the past he could stand your bad mood, but now he cannot and doesn’t want to, because he has enough of his own problems. You miss his support and enthusiasm that he showed in the beginning, and because of that you started resenting him.

    You also realized you’re very different, have different interests, political views, views about life etc. You have hardly anything in common, other than the childhood trauma (“family issues, father issues“). Since the original dynamic – him trying to save you and you relying on his help and support – changed, there’s nothing that binds you any more.

    It seems to me there’s really no point in staying together, because both of you have serious issues to work on, and once you solve those issues, it’s not sure you would even like each other. It’s not sure you would even be compatible.

    What you like about him is that he wouldn’t cheat on you (“He has most of the moral qualities I expected from my partner. I trust him completely and I know he does not talk to anyone else.”). But other than, there isn’t much that you like about him, is there? And maybe, there isn’t much that he likes about you either at this point. You think he would be disappointed and heartbroken if he found out that you’re so unsure about him, but perhaps he would be relieved?

     

    in reply to: Comparison #381966
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Frances,

    when did you start suffering from anxiety?

    You say you don’t have a life. What kind of life would you like to have? Do you have an idea of your ideal life?

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear bren,

    He might not be able to give you a clear No because of his own issues, such as the one I mentioned – that he wants to have you as a backup in case things don’t work out with his new girlfriend. Or it could be other reasons, such as him feeling guilty for cutting you off.

    A bigger problem, at least as I see it, is why you feel at an impasse if he doesn’t give you a clear-cut answer. Why having hope, i.e. a chance of getting back with him – is such a burden for you. My impression is that it could be because you’re afraid you might not live up to his expectations:

    He also said what if we get back together and I work on these things I have going on and then stop and it goes back to the way it was.

    He doesn’t want to be disappointed again. He’s been disappointed before. You said he lost hope (that you would change?), and that’s why he broke up with you. You don’t want to mess it up again.

    If he told you he’s not interested in a future with you, you wouldn’t need to worry about messing up again. And you wouldn’t risk being rejected again – for not being good enough.

    Does this sound like a possibility to you?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear bren,

    I am making these changes for myself. I am getting help, I am making changes in my life that I have realized are hindering me and my happiness

    That’s great. If you work on yourself and heal your emotional wounds, it will benefit first and foremost you. You’ll be capable of a better and healthier relationship – whether it’s with him or someone else.

    but theres still that stupid feeling in my heart that things could come back together.

    So a part of you is still hoping, and another part says it’s stupid to hope – probably to protect yourself from hurt.

    The definite no would tell me to just give up all hope.

    Because if you give up hope, you wouldn’t be hurt, is that right? It’s easier not to hope, than to hope and be rejected….

    You said earlier:

    I want to make these changes for myself and build myself back up but I also want to show him and he even said it would make a difference.

    I want to show him… how I’ve changed, how I’ve grown? It’s like you want him to be proud of you. You said you don’t even care that he’s seeing someone new:

    For some reason I don’t care that he started to see someone new, I feel fully focused on just us, even though there is no ā€œusā€.

    What if this situation with him reminds you of a dynamic between you and one of your parents, whom you wanted to impress and make him/her proud of you?

     

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