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Dear Rob,
you’re welcome.
I think maybe someplace deep down, I KNOW me fixing myself and changing for the better WILL change everything around me.
Yes, and it’s scary to change the status quo and have our loved ones get angry at us, perhaps even reject us and abandon us… This I guess is what’s holding you back? You’re aware that certain things in your relationship with your spouse are toxic, but you also love him and want to please him. And as you say, drinking is a way of bonding with him, so it’s hard to let that go.
It seems to me that if you want to stop drinking, you’d also need to work on your co-dependency with him, and decide that you don’t want to sacrifice yourself in order to keep his love. You’d need to put yourself first, not in a selfish way, but in the sense that you don’t want to jeopardize your health and well-being for him, or for anybody else in your family, even if you love them very much. I wonder how you feel about that?
Fingers crossed for your first AA meeting!
TeeParticipantDear Rob,
I have spoke with a therapist and they believe if I have to admit I have a problem then maybe they need to look at themselves as having a problem. Which a family and friends + spouse have drug and drinking problems. Far more then I but I’m pointing fingers.
I think your therapist is right – your family discourages you from seeking professional help because it would disturb them and force them to take a look at their own addiction, which they don’t want to, at least not at the moment. And your reluctance to seek help could be in part caused by your desire to fit in, to not “rock the boat”, maybe even not to appear “better” or superior than your family.
I agree with anita – definitely do seek help, because it’s not going to get better, the drinking problem won’t just miraculously go away. You can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, specially surrounded by people who make it harder for you to stop drinking…
TeeParticipantDear Moonflower,
you’re welcome. I am fine, thank you, just returned from holidays 🙂
It’s good to hear your partner is supportive, thinks highly of you and isn’t affected by other people’s opinions too much, even the opinion of his own family. That’s refreshing and a good base for a healthy relationship!
I am trying to be more independent from others opinions and not let it affect me as much as I do. For it not to rule how I am around people but the hard truth is, is that it still does. I really hate it when people say things that I’m sensitive about or make.judgemental remarks as I try to avoid confrontation at all costs if I can…
Unlike your partner, you do care about what other people will say, i.e. are sensitive to their criticism and judgment. You also say you’re critical of yourself, specially your looks after the surgery.
This probably means you have a rather strong inner critic, which is accusing you of not being good enough, pretty enough etc. After the surgery, you say you felt “less of a person, like something was missing”. I think it was the same inner critic who was telling you that after the surgery, there’s something deeply wrong with you, so much so that you felt less of a person.
Would you say this is true? If so, I believe it’s your inner critic that is really stopping you from living your life authentically, carefree and at peace with yourself…
TeeParticipantDear canary,
you’re welcome. I think I know where you’re coming from: you sincerely care for him and would like him to be his best self, not necessarily for you, but for himself – to have as happy and fulfilling life as possible. It’s normal and understandable to feel like that towards the people we love and care about.
The problem is when we see a potential in our partner and want to change them, because how they are at the moment isn’t acceptable to us. I’ve been with people in whom I saw a potential and wanted to “save” them, and it didn’t end well. It never does. As you yourself say, we can’t force anybody to change, and it’s really futile and even counterproductive to be in a relationship with someone whom we cannot accept the way they are at the moment. It’s much more fair to never enter such a relationship, or to step away, as you did.
The problem for you is to how to let go of hope, since hope you say is holding you back. I think you should let go of the attachment to him changing. Because it seems a part of you is still attached to the idea that he would change and then you’d be happy together. You can still hold a vision of him being his best self (you can even pray for that, if you’re religious), but you let go of the attachment that he would change and fulfill you. That way you free yourself to live your life independent of him and his decisions, and yet you can still feel love and care for him, by holding a positive vision for him, but without any expectations.
How do you feel about this?
TeeParticipantDear canary,
I now know that I was asking for the bare minimum in the relationship, but it was so difficult for him to give it to me. He has trouble with empathy and he wasn’t able to empathize with me because he was too worried about himself.
It’s good you’ve realized it wasn’t you who was too demanding, but it was him who was self-centered and giving you very little.
I simply want the best version of him in my life again which is why I have hope.
Have you seen this best version of him? If I understood you well, he lacked empathy and was self-centered throughout your relationship. But you also say he was selfless and kind at some point, and tried to empathize with you “even if he had lots of trouble with it.”
You say you knew about his symptoms (I assume his lack of empathy?) even before you dated. Based on everything you’ve written, does it mean that there was a period when he was trying to change and be a better person for you, a person with more understanding and more empathy? But he never really succeeded, and now he’s given up and is just selfish, “extremely arrogant, only cares for himself” and “does not care to be a better person” any more? He returned to his old self?
You say you saw a potential in him, and this is what’s giving you hope. But since he’s given up on bettering himself, you know this hope is unreal and you want to let it go? Am I understanding it right?
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TeeParticipantDear Felix,
it seems she strengthened the decision not to date you, and it’s not only because of her parents’ pressure/advice, but also because she feels that’s for the best. She wants to enter a relationship when she is ready and has serious intentions (she said when she finds a job, and when she is thinking about getting married), and right now that’s not the case.
It seems that right now she wants to focus on her studies and not be distracted by a relationship, and it’s a legitimate decision. That’s what she’s already told you before, but when you posted that “goodbye” post, probably her ego got a bit hurt and she started the cycle again, messing up with you, giving you hope. She shouldn’t have done that. But she’s young and no wonder she has doubts and insecurity. Try to forgive her for giving you false hope…
But also, take this as her final decision and start detaching yourself from her, accepting that she’s at the same point where you were 4 or 5 years ago, just entering university, with a million opportunities before her and at least a dozen possible life scenarios. What will be 4 or 5 years from now? No one knows. So there is no point in holding onto something that’s not there, that’s unknown, that will only take shape in the future… Leave the future to the future, and if you want, to God and fate. But don’t hold on to it, don’t hold on to something that doesn’t have a shape yet.
Focus on the here and now, on what you want to do with your life right now. Things we’ve talked about before, such as improving your self-esteem, developing a sense of accomplishment, hitting the gym, jogging etc. My advice is to work on yourself first and don’t even think of chasing girls for the next 6 months. Become a more self-confident person, and I guarantee you, you’ll be more successful in dating and finding a suitable girl too.
TeeParticipantDear canary,
are you talking about the same man your other thread was about, with whom you were in a relationship from August 2019-April 2020?
In your previous thread, you were mostly blaming yourself for the failure of the relationship (“I was suffering from severe depression & anxiety and it made me difficult to deal with which caused me to think that he did not truly love me”). But in the meanwhile it seems you’ve realized that he had issues too and that his behavior was hurtful (I understand why he did all the hurtful things to me).
You say he is suffering from antisocial personality disorder – was he diagnosed by a medical doctor?
You say a part of you is “still holding onto the hope that he’ll be the happy person he once was”, “a person that was genuinely trying to be a better person and make his life better.”
I imagine that when you’re daydreaming and creating fake scenarios of you being together (you mentioned this in your previous thread), you’re focusing only on the good times and forgetting about the bad times when his behavior was hurtful. That’s quite common – we often see the person through rose-colored glasses because we fall in love with our idea of them, a romanticized version of them, instead of the real person. We want them so much that we overlook the bad sides. And the reason we want them so much is often because they remind us of one of our parents, whose love we’ve always craved but never really received.
That could be why you feel so very attached to him, feeling that you love him unconditionally, no matter what he does to you and how he behaves.
Can you relate to any of this?
TeeParticipantDear Moonflower,
I honestly believe that as long as what my thoughts, spiritual journey and interests are all aligned with the highest good, love, light, growth and purest intentions, focused on kindness and compassion with a deep respecg for all that is, this earth and inhabitants, surely no God or universe would consider that a sin/bad/need for punishment?
I too deeply believe that God is love, and that you’re not misguided in your spiritual quest for highest love. Also, I believe that you aren’t bad or sinful, or should fear punishment, for having a broader view of spirituality than your own religion does.
This got me reflecting on my own self and my spiritual journey. I have many fsmily/in laws/friends that are Christian and I know when I have expressed that I’m spiritual there’s been a dismay with them. It’s made me afraid to live authentically.
is me being into crystals, interested in other religions, oracle decks, meditation etc all a sin and I’m misguided? I’ve been reflecting on this and know that this is me now reflecting based on my own fear and fear of judgement from others.
It seems to me that you’re afraid of being judged by your family, your in-laws and friends, and that this is what keeps you from being yourself and living authentically. How about your partner – do you feel supported by him in your spiritual quest and free to express your beliefs in front of him?
July 18, 2021 at 7:47 am in reply to: I need help on this quote. I can’t get my head around it #383032TeeParticipantDear Saje,
The thing is I know I need to get out there to find what I’m looking for; however, the more I do the more apparent the lack of becomes.
Could you elaborate on this? Have you tried dating but haven’t found anyone suitable?
also, my friend said i have been looking from a lack mentality and not abundance. Which is why I feel the way I do. Any thoughts on this?
The mentality of lack would be that you feel less (less valuable, less worthy, less special) without a partner, and that you need someone to make you feel good about yourself. Perhaps Lao Tzu’s quote (“Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realise there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.”) can be interpreted like this:
When you realize there is nothing lacking about you – the whole world belongs to you. And the right person will appear too… How does this sound to you?
TeeParticipantDear Sammii,
you say about your boyfriend:
I really love him as a person, he’s been in my life so long
but you also say:
a lack of respect for me, had a wondering eye, never physically cheated as far as I’m aware! But was never there for me, never wanted to talk to me he was always on his phone or PlayStation or Xbox.
I did talk to him about this, he tried to change but it still wasn’t enough, he just tried to buy me instead of actually listening and being there for me.
I wanted to marry him for so long but he didn’t at the time apparently wanted to make it special (10 years though)
A lack of respect for you and the fact that he was never (or rarely) there for you would be a good enough reason to break up and not to marry this guy. You say you were hinting all the time that you want to get married, but he didn’t seem to pick up the message. It appears to me that you were afraid to express your needs and were tolerating a rather unacceptable behavior. Could it be because you don’t value yourself enough?
TeeParticipantDear Emy,
you feel connected to this man, specially to “his teenage years and the relationship he had with someone when he was a teen”. Could you explain a bit more? Does his adolescence remind you of your own adolescence and a relationship you had with someone while you were a teen?
TeeParticipantDear kleineBlumealleine,
you’re very welcome. The fact that he forced you sit down and stay in his company is just one more sign, and a strong one, that you should stop friendship with him and free yourself from his emotional abuse.
Have a nice Sunday yourself and post whenever you feel like it. All the best to you!
TeeParticipantDear kleineBlumealleine,
I agree that this man tried to make you feel guilty for something you’re not responsible for, and you felt responsible for it and even tried to help him, not realizing he is using you to care for his emotional needs. I don’t think it was an emotional affair because it was one-sided: it was just him complaining about his marriage and telling you he was unhappy, while you didn’t complain about your relationship nor sought to get your emotional needs met by him rather than your boyfriend, did you?
It seems to me you were a listening ear to him and have stayed for too long in this “friendship” because you felt guilty for cutting him off. And this, as anita said, is related to your childhood and your parents accusing you of “holding grudges” when you were rightfully upset with them for treating you badly.
Here too, you should be rightfully upset for this man harassing you and making advances on you, and instead of trying to understand him and help him, should stop all contact.
irregardless, that doesnt excuse me to going along with being in contact him, i hope a lot it is my learning process (first family, then him) to actually realize these situations (but not just pure victim but also taking responsibility) , to have finally enough energy to stop it and to move on towards something better/bettering myself.
It’s great you’re realizing it’s related to your childhood and that you have the right to stop it – to not feel guilty for setting boundaries and protecting yourself from toxic people. That’s how you won’t be a victim any more, but more in charge of your life…
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I am sorry for replying only now, I was on holidays and rarely at the computer…
She did say that she loves me and imagining us dating…(idk if she’s saying this with her adult mindset or she’s still immature).
OK, so she says she has feelings for you and could see the two of you dating. But there’s a problem with that: she is forbidden to date anyone before she graduates from the university, if I understood well? Neither her aunt nor her mother would support the idea, and she doesn’t sound like she wants to oppose them and date you anyway, does she?
Although i know she’s also trying to find a solution for us.
What kind of solution? She told you she would be able to date only in 2 years from now, at the earliest. Until then, what is she suggesting?
Even her parents know about me now, i’m so embarrassed.
Did she tell her parents about you? What was their reaction?
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
She told me to wait for 2 year, i actually know that it is true and i can guarantee that in 2 years she wont be in a relationship…..
Did she promise you anything about the future? For example, did she tell you that she loves you and wants to be with you, but that the only obstacle is her family, i.e. her aunt at whose place she’ll be living, and that that’s why she asks you to wait for her?
If she didn’t say anything of the kind, but asked you to wait because she doesn’t want to lose your attention and interest in her, and/or doesn’t want to lose you as a potential backup solution in case she doesn’t find any other boy – then no, you should definitely not wait for her or stay in a relationship with her.
A while ago she told you not to expect anything from her. Probably that’s still true – that she isn’t willing to promise you anything, and yet she is trying to make you remain “faithful” to her, in case she needs you in the future. I think it’s quite selfish of her.
my brain always keep telling me that she’s the only “attractive” girl that i can hope for. For the past 9 months when i stop chatting with her, i tried to get close to girls and i failed…
That’s your low self-esteem – that’s why you believe she’s the only girl who’ll ever show interest in you. But if you work on your self-esteem, this will change and you won’t need to depend on her…
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