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Thomas168ParticipantHello Roberta,
Thanks for the post. That is quite an introduction. Am pleased to meet you.
Long ago red hair and outburst of fiery temper? I wish I met you long ago. Now old and grey? I wish to meet you now.
Long ago I had hair and now I am bald (mostly and shave the rest).Quick, judge me and tell me what you think. Am I a silly fart with no sense. Do I make trouble wherever I go? Do I judge others too harshly? Does my ego prevent me from learning from others? Okay, never mind I don’t want to know. You can be so mean … lol.
Can I be your friend who helps you see different perspectives? Maybe?
Yes, peace on earth and good will to all men. A lovely saying.
Thomas168ParticipantSchool, the job, all of it doesn’t teach us how to deal with death in any form. But anything born must die. And when thrown into life’s situations, it is often the feeling of being incapable to help to change anything for the better which hurts us the most. No one is alone in this but it feels like there is no one else there.
Emotions like empathy and compassion aren’t controlled. They arise and are felt at the deepest levels. Sometimes they produce confusion. Other times, nothing but heartache. But, that is life. I have no words to make it easier to take. It is a struggle. Hope you find a way to move forward. Wishing you the best.
Sometimes it is clinging to things the way it should be that causes suffering. And sometimes emotions should be felt. It helps one understand life. Not that suffering is a good thing. But, there are all kinds of suffering. Some make us better and some bring us down. I am guessing it depends upon the person to choose which way to go??
Thomas168ParticipantIt has been quite a while since Laven has posted anything. I hope she didn’t get the wrong message from. If you need to write all these things out then do so. It is important to you then please do so. Whatever you feel needs to be let out then please let it out. My wish is that you can move forward from such things. To be able to relinquish all the pain and suffering so you can have a happier life.
Thomas168ParticipantAnita said, “The clinging itself is a source of suffering..?”
Life happens and all things will change over time.
When the first thing to change happens and we feel injured, that is life or the first arrow.
When we hold onto the feelings and thoughts about the injury then that is like a second arrow.
The second arrow is more suffering. Not all of the suffering.
So, trying not to cling to something. Do we just say it and it happens?
Do we will it and it happens?
To me, if it does happen then it has come about thru practice and effort.
Although final release comes from letting go.
I wish you a good nights rest.
When you figure out how to let something go after 4 years then please let me know.
I have held onto something for the past 45 years that I have tried to free myself from.
Thanks in advance.
Thomas168ParticipantHello Alessa,
It isn’t that there is nothing new in James posts or threads. After all, it is what it is. But, I feel his words lacks the feel of the real truth. Yes, he thinks I judge and criticize and compare. I do. I think everyone does to some degree. But, I am also on a spiritual journey of my own. I have met real teachers who present the most profound insights and teachings that it has to come from an inner source. James believes that no one can help me. Well if that is true then please let it be the last message he sends me. His rhetoric, although there isn’t anything that is not true, doesn’t seem to come from a completed realized truth. I don’t know. Maybe he is the next prophet but not for me. I get the terrible feelings that he has experienced something but has not completed enough training to be preaching. Yeah, that is my prejudice.
Someone said to me that I needed to control my physical desires and my emotional feelings and my thoughts as a prelude to becoming enlightened. I could only respond by saying that enlightenment is not for me if those are the requirements. Cause I have no physical control. When I am hungry, I eat. When I am tired, I sleep. Cause I have no control over my emotions. When I see my wife, I feel love there and a sense of peace. When I see someone getting hurt, my empathy or compassion comes out. My thoughts runs rampart and I have no way to control its intentions. So, yeah, there is no “one” who can help me.
I don’t preach. I am not like James. I have no wise words to pass on. Only what I have seen and think to be true. If that has ruffled a few feathers then I apologize for being the wind in the sandstorm. Sorry for all the misery I have caused.
Thomas168ParticipantAnita,
I am sorry for your current condition of depression. Is there anything that you need? I am not fighting with James. But, I have aversions to people who profess wisdom like the way he does. Nothing he says isn’t true but it also isn’t something I have already seen before. To me there doesn’t seem to have any underlying truth coming from James. So, I push and pull. I put up a mirror to what he does. He tells me that I lie to myself or believe in lies. So, I said the same thing back to him to see his response. He goes back to his high and mighty position and keeps preaching. I do not want to continue. So,I will open my mind to learn. But, he hasn’t brought anything I haven’t encountered before. Hands in the air. I surrender. Hope that relieves any tension you have.
Thomas
Thomas168ParticipantYes, but mind. Knows all the answers. So when listens to another, it goes yes, but.
It needs to interrupt and bring its truth to the table.
The don’t know mind listens and goes I did not know and learns.
It listens and learns because it is open.When I hear you, I go yes, but.
Sorry, that is my fault.
Then I listen and I learn
My heart is open.
I can learn from any source.
Thomas168ParticipantRest assured that there is no greater suffering than lying or exaggerating your understanding.
Thomas168ParticipantSo, I never claim to be awakened. I don’t preach. I don’t tell people “Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.” While “recognition of our True nature is stillness itself.” may be true, it still misses the mark.
Seekers come in all different flavors. Some are confused. And some are drowning in lost conceptual ideas about how they think it all works. Some might think it is some kind of competition, but there is only one metric – are you awakened or not. Can you see emptiness in all appearances in this moment, always. Rest assured that there is no greater suffering than lying or exaggerating your understanding.
Thomas168ParticipantThere is no enlightenment, only enlightened actions.
Mine will be to refrain from commenting where it is not needed.
Emptiness and stillness of mind.
Maybe one day I will see that?
Thomas168ParticipantJames said, “Any knowledge and experience arises and falls within?”
Within what? What are you trying to say? Or are you just trying to sound mystical?
Seriously, I am trying to take your advice and forget you and what you do.
Please if you have nothing to say that makes sense then please refrain from commenting.James said, “You are none and untouched.”
You are something and I think a bit touched. But that is only my opinion.
James said, “Peace”
Yes, that is what I wish for. Peace.
For that, I will stay out of your threads.
Thomas168Participant“Dear Thomas,
As i told forget about me and what i do.
Evaluate your life that are you happy or not.
There is path showing you, if you like walk or just talk.
Peace.”Yes, I will do as you say. Take your advice.
I will forget about you and what you do.
Thomas168ParticipantDear Anita,
Taking sides? You should alway do what you feel is right for you.
I should never tell anyone what they should or should not be doing.
Only point out alternatives. Aggression? Hmm, guess it came across all wrong.
Maybe I should spend more time just sitting?
Oh, going with the flow is always beneath your feet because there is only now.
If you want to reach the source of the flow then it starts here, now.
Doesn’t help when one is just given answers??
The journey is just as important.
Thomas168ParticipantPeter,
Thank you for your insights. I am glad that you do not see these posts as adversarial.
With Anita, I do not know her practice nor her level of understanding.
But, I do know she is one of the most compassionate person I have ever come across.
She is willing to learn. And can move forward from where she stands.
Thomas168ParticipantJames said, “Love is not being alone or isolated.
İt is sharing, caring and compassion.Why does all teachers, Sufi’s and prophets dedicated them life to share these with humanity?
Because, when body and mind are surrendered or returned to factory settings or so called self returned to source, this is what body and mind’s condition. Love, sharing and caring, and telling to Truth is inevitable.
I am here not to pat people, I am here to help, care and specially warn.”
And I have asked you to share your wisdom and compassion with those who come here for their suffering.
I don’t know. Have you done anything else than start your own topics and replied to them.
Have you posted help and advice on another’s thread for hope?
Have you lent that compassionate ear to learn of other’s pain and suffering?
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