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October 5, 2026 at 12:36 pm #461365
anitaParticipantThis is a WOW of a different kind: when I remembered Eminem’s song yesterday, about his mother (it’s an autobiographical song), I thought that it might speak to you like it spoke to me, and thought of asking you about it, but then remembered how in the past, with different people, the song I thought would reach them- did not, not at all.. so I learned to no longer expect it.
And unexpectedly, then I read today your experience with the same song!
I loved that song ever since I heard it for the first time, it was sometime in the very early 2000s. Let me check…
“Released: July 29, 2002. (you were only 9!) It is generally considered one of Eminem’s most autobiographical songs. The lyrics draw heavily on his own life, especially his troubled relationship with his mother, Debbie Mathers, feelings about his difficult childhood, resentment toward his absent father, and family experiences and emotional struggles from his upbringing… Sources describe it as an autobiographical work inspired by events from his childhood and family relationships.”
More later
October 5, 2026 at 3:02 pm #461367
RobertaParticipantDear Robi
I live on a small English island where I can see the coast of northern France so our time difference is not that big.
Orinoco Flow is the only Enya track that I know, my music repertoire is not that modern or large. I guess Alanis Morrisette was who I listened to in one of my angst periods even sent a copy to my ex! Anyway I have stepped back from music & dancing as entertainment as part of my preparation to eventually becoming a nun, even though I do these things at work in the preschool & carehome.
I hope you find a job that is not too stressful, but is not too boring either.
RobertaOctober 5, 2026 at 3:54 pm #461372
anitaParticipantEminem โ I’m Sorry Mama lyrics (parts)
“I’m sorry mama
I never meant to hurt you
I never meant make you cry
But tonight, I’m cleaning out my closet
One More Time…I got some skeletons in my closet
And I don’t know if no one knows it
So, before they throw me inside my coffin and close it
I’ma expose it, I’ll take you back to ’73
Before I ever had a multi-platinum selling CD
I was a baby maybe I was just a couple of months
My faggot father must’ve had his panties up in a bunch
‘Cause he split, I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye
No I don’t, on second thought I just fucking wished he would die…What I did was stupid, no doubt it was dumb
But the smartest shit I did was take the bullets outta that gun
Cause I’d of killed em, shit I would’ve shot Kim and him both
It’s my life, I’d like to welcome ya’ll to the Eminem showNow I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition
Take a second to listen for who you think this record is dissing
But put yourself in my position, just try to envision
Witnessing your mama popping prescription pills in the kitchen
Bitching that someone’s always going through her purse when shit’s missing
Going through public housing systems, victim of munchhausen syndrome
My whole life I was made to believe I was sick when I wasn’t
‘Til I grew up, now I blew up it makes you sick to your stomach, doesn’t it?
Wasn’t it the reason you made that CD for me, ma?
So, you could try to justify the way you treated me, ma?
But guess what, your getting older now and it’s cold when your lonely…See what hurts me the most, is you wont admit you was wrong
Bitch, do your song, keep telling yourself that you was a mum
But how dare you try to take what you didn’t help me to get
You selfish bitch, I hope you fucking burn in hell for this shit!
Remember when Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me?
Well guess what, I am dead, dead to you as can be”I copied the above because I want to look at these words with you when I’m back to your thread this evening, as well as reply to the rest of your recent post.
Anita
October 5, 2026 at 8:38 pm #461374
anitaParticipantGood Tuesday 6:03 am (your time), Robi:
In this post, I want to analyze Eminem’s lyrics above. But before you read my analysis, that is, what the lyrics bring up for me, maybe you would like to write/ develop your thoughts about what those words bring up for you?
For me-
“I said I’m sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry”-
That’s the very young Eminem boy, maybe 3, 6 years old. Totally empathetic to his mother, taking responsibility for her hurt, for her crying-
Just as little boys and girls do.
No “bad” words. Only love.
Then the adult Eminem comes on board, A.N.G.R.Y ๐ค ๐คฌ, saying (rapping) it just-like-he-feels it.
Now, I can’t say the words he says: “fag*** father… fu***** wish he would die… I’d killed him, shit (no reason for me to *** is there?)… You selfish bitch, I hope you fu**** burn in hell for this shit” ( had to *** the f word)-
Point is, the above is beautiful, I can’t say it, but I WANT to!
It gives his anger just the right words.
His emotions find full, true expression. No softening, no philosophy, not even psychology, just straight, unapologetic anger.
He said what I wanted to say to my mother but held it in, suppressing, pushing it all down, going crazy in my head from keeping all the emotions inside.
I’ll move to the computer and continue)
October 5, 2026 at 10:34 pm #461377
anitaParticipantContinued:
You wrote that at times your mother brutally beat you. (It makes ME angry)
My mother didn’t brutally beat me. She slapped my face with her open hand right and left, right, left, my face felt hot. Don’t know if my burning face was a result of her open hand hitting me (the friction, the impact) or was it my A.N.G.E.R. burning my face.
When her arm/ hand got tired, she said, looking at her hand, “Look what YOU did to ME, my hand is hurting”
Sometimes she hit me with her hands and feet anywhere they landed. She hit me as if she was the one in pain. And I guess she was.
And she said: “You think I’m stupid? I’m not going to break your bones or make you bleed, that would get me in trouble”-
So, I suppose she didn’t brutally beat me (?)- No bleeding and no broken bones.
Attached to these memories, is a contained, subdued, hushed anger.
“Bitch, do your song, keep telling yourself that you was a mum” (Eminem)-
It’d be more untrue for me to call her a “mum” than..
And yet, little girl Anita loves the mum she needed so early on, the one who wasn’t there, the one she didn’t have.
Yes, I LOVE my imagined mum, the idea of her, still. Ahh.. hmm. It’d be like a dream come true, retroactively if only..
When a Need replaces Reality.
How to let go of that little girl’s hope, Robi?
* I read that years after that song, Eminen apologized to his mother (disappointed).
Anita
October 6, 2026 at 8:20 pm #461401
anitaParticipantHey Dear Robi:
I didn’t respond yesterday to what you wrote here:
“There’s fear of not being good… Whenever I even think of getting any job, I always play out all sorts of things in my head, ‘But what if I mess up that or this?’… I would be afraid of making bad coffee… Yes.. there’s a lot of fear of doing anything. Anything that requires me to perform things… I need to take a good look at it.”-
It may be your body remembering the terrible consequences you suffered when you supposedly made a mistakes in performing things (e.x., exams in school measured in grades) that led to those brutal beatings you mentioned.
The way you described your mother, sounds like she has been very angry, keeping it in most of the time (suppressing it, trying to distract herself by watching lots of TV and online shopping), expressing her anger passive- aggressively,
And at other times (when you were younger) exploding, becoming physically aggressive.
It could be that her anger, chronic anger that your body remembers and is afraid of?
๐ค Anita
October 7, 2026 at 9:39 am #461414
Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
Long day here – yesterday I started removing the old paint off the main gate of my parent’s property and started re-painting it. I wanted to do it throughout the summer but didn’t manage.. so I’m doing it now. Tomorrow I’ll be one with it. Feels good to do a little physical / creative work. I’ve been thinking about what you said.. both about how Eminem’s song relates to my story and about my fear of… performing?
It may be your body remembering the terrible consequences you suffered when you supposedly made a mistakes in performing things (e.x., exams in school measured in grades) that led to those brutal beatings you mentioned.
It may be your body remembering the terrible consequences you suffered when you supposedly made a mistakes in performing things (e.x., exams in school measured in grades) that led to those brutal beatings you mentioned.I don’t really know what’s up there.. I’ve always been reluctant to perform in front of people – wether it was public speaking or playing the piano in front of a big audience ( which happened every year when I was studying music as a child ). I don’t know wether I was and still am shy or its more than that. I’d say its a little more than that since this blkage stops me from working —> therefore stops me from standing on my own feet financially etc.
I can do many things.. and I’m qualified to do quite a few things. On paper: professional photographer & film maker ( BA, MA), certified english teacher and certified fitness / personal trainer.
I’m guessing fear has stopped me from doing all of the above.
That needs to sink in a little…
Fear has stopped me doing all of the above.
Damn it.I’ll be back.. I’m quite drained after the physical work, just finished my chest workout and now planning on getting the hell out of here and socialise a little. I feel I’ll go nuts If I spend more time at home ๐ I need to go see some friends for a bit.. disconnect from home and all.
Robi
October 7, 2026 at 10:53 am #461417
anitaParticipantGood Wed Night (your time), Robi ๐
I hope you are out and about socializing as I’m typing this, and I understand your need to disconnect from home and all.
I won’t be in a rush to reply then.. I will Thursday or Friday morning (your time).
Anita
October 7, 2026 at 11:49 pm #461424
anitaParticipantRobi1992, June 8, 2018 (1st post ever): “Hello! Iโm about to tell you a story. My story… Iโm a 25-year-old guy, living in Europe and Iโm supposed to be a photographer. Well technically I am, because I have a bachelorโs and masterโs degree in that field but actually, I am not doing anything in that direction. I am not doing anything at all in general and I guess Iโve been pretty much always like this.”
Robi1992, Oct 7, 2026 (8 years & 4 months later): “Iโm qualified to do quite a few things. On paper: professional photographer & film maker (BA, MA), certified English teacher and certified fitness/ personal trainer.
“Iโm guessing fear has stopped me from doing all of the above. That needs to sink in a little.. Fear has stopped me doing all of the above. Damn it.”
This makes me think of the photo you uploaded only a few days ago, that which I WOW-ed repeatedly, a 2-D photograph of your shadow.
I wonder about the color of your hair, the color of your eyes, your skin, is it pale? How does your voice sound like, a Romanian accent (when you speak English)? How do you sound speaking Romanian? When you get excited about something, is there like a glitter in your eyes?
“On paper: professional photographer…”- In real-life- a Robi that still needs to be seen, heard, and feel like a 3-D magnificent human that you are (not a 2-D image, an on-paper idea)?
Would like to continue this in the morning (my morning)
Anita
October 8, 2026 at 11:05 am #461438
anitaParticipantGood Thurs morning, Robi:
Yesterday, you started your message with: “Long day here- yesterday, I started removing the old paint off the main gate of my parents’ property and started repainting it. I wanted to do it throughout the summer, but didn’t manage”-
Did your parents, any one of them, show appreciation for your work, or did they criticize you for not having started it earlier?
Did part of you hope for their appreciation, for them telling you something like: ‘Thank you! You’re a good son!’
I mean, a tiny part?
Bogart the beagle loves hearing “You’re a good boy!”
Any parent ever say that to you?
I wonder how often (if at all), they sent you the you’re-a-good-boy vs the “you’re a bad apple” message.
Another thing I was wondering about this morning is that you shared a lot about your parents in your first thread (June 2018), but I don’t think you mentioned having been “brutally beaten” on that thread. I think that you mentioned it first in this thread (2024-26), and you didn’t elaborate on it.
I wonder how often you were beaten, how brutally and how it felt when she cried and apologized afterwards.
I wonder how it feels now when you remember.
I’m asking because the brutal beating part can make a significant difference in understanding what you’ve been struggling with all along.
Please answer only if you’re able.. and willing ๐
Anita
October 9, 2026 at 3:15 am #461447
Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
Hielooww from ze eastern europe. Finally I can make use of my natural accent :))
Nah just kidding. I don’t actually sound like that.I came to my friend’s flat again for a few days. I’ll be here and there for a while. He had to fly over to the US ( out of all places ) and he’ll be there for a few weeks. Feels good knowing I’ll be able to come here whenever I feel like I need some head-space.
As for my appearance, most people think I’m a foreigner wherever I am. In Romania, most people thought I was Asian. ( I have smaller eyes similar to asian people ). When I was living in Spain everyone thought I was hispanic ( I’ve heard Mexican, Colombian, Peruvian..) – when I spoke english everyone thought I was from the US ( although I’ve never been there but many Americans told me I sound like an american to them ). I guess most people expect me to sound like Borat when they hear I’m from Eastern Europe. When I spoke Spanish everyone thought I was a latino. In Poland most think I’m Italian or Spanish but again.. when I start speaking they all think I’m American. No one thinks I’m Romanian.. not even Romanians :))
I guess I look southern ( southern american / southern european ) – my skin is a bit darker than most Romanians especially in summer I get quite tanned so many think I come from latin-america. I have longer brown hair with brown eyes.I’ll get back to you on the “my mother beating me” topic. I’ll need to be in the mood for that one:))
Btw, my parents have digging their grave ( almost literally ) during these past weeks, there’s someone in the cemetery currently building their grave. Fancy one. Made of some sort of granite. Today, they went to pick up a tombstone for themselves. I’m not kidding. They attached the trailer to the car and went tombstone shopping. They gave me a lift on their way there.
Can this get any weirder?
As for appreciation.. Yea.. they did actually appreciate my work. They told me how nice it looked. Things are not always tense and hostile but these little good things and words always come with a price.. so I’m always alert.
I’ll get back to u later! Getting myself comfy here in the flat. Relaxing a little. Might even go for a cup of coffee ๐
October 9, 2026 at 6:48 am #461449
RobertaParticipantHi Robi
Sorting out ones funeral etc is not so strange often it is older people that do it. One woman I know had a wicker coffin for a couple of decades in fact the first one was used for a friend of hers who died before her & then she bought a replacement she was actually over a hundred when she finally passed. Others want some kind of family vault & that takes time to save up & construct.
When I was in my forties I fell in love with a costly stone coffee table & I justified the expense by telling my children it can be used to mark my grave instead of a headstone! If people want something specific it can bring them peace of mind to know that they have already put things in place also that way they are relieving their family of the worry of fulfilling specialized requests & financial burden as
people worry about being put in a paupers grave.October 9, 2026 at 1:47 pm #461451
anitaParticipantI LOVED reading your message, your sense of humor is amazing! I’ll get back 2 u tonight.
October 9, 2026 at 9:02 pm #461455
anitaParticipantHielooww Robi ๐
A big laugh emoji above instead of my usual smile because you’re so F.U.N.N.Y.
Okay, so brown hair (I can see how long in the shadow-photo), brown, smaller, Asian- like eyes, Italian-Spanish-Latino darker skin, especially when tanned, muscles.. I’m missing height and weight but not necessary to share!
I can almost hear you speak English in American accent. I wonder how your voice sounds like.
My photo was taken almost 2 years ago during a Halloween event at the Winery, that’s me mid free-style dancing. My skin is darker too and easily tanned, brown eyes with hazel in them.. but enough about me ๐
I hope you spend as much time in your friend’s flat as you need to in the next few weeks ๐ค
I understand you not wanting to talk about the beating topic. Please remember you don’t have to- not now, not ever.
About your parents digging their graves almost literally, that’s where you’re the funniest. The image of your mother or father driving a car with a trailer attached to it, dropping you off at your friend’s flat and proceeding to load a tombstone into the trailer is..
Wait, they didn’t shop online for a tombstone, to be delivered by Amazon ๐ค ?
You asked: “Can this get any weirder?”- I have no doubt that it can.
So, they appreciated your repainting the main gate of their property (you started that work Oct 6) so much that today (Oct 9) they decided to go tombstone shopping .. ๐ค
“Little good things and words come with a price.. so, I’m always alert.”- What price are they likely to exact in this case, I wonder..
๐ค๐ค๐ค-me
October 11, 2026 at 12:02 pm #461481
Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
These few days have been a little foggy for me. The weather has changed suddenly too and now we’ve had the first rainy day in many weeks. Got much colder too. These days I’ve felt as if I cannot concentrate much on my goals and I’ve lacked a lot of clarity. I’ve escaped a little into watching films and playing Gran Turismo. But it’s okay. Every now and then it’s okay.
Now, today I finally feel like I have clarity again. Today I’ve been thinking I miss living in Poland. I don’t know if it’s really Poland I miss or it’s the way I was living there. I miss having my own life – but that you already know.
I’ve been here for 1 year and 3 months.. and I feel as if I’ve eroded. Perhaps that’s not far from the truth. I don’t know how to put it. I feel as if I’m getting dumber here. I guess small town Romania isn’t very interesting… and I quite like it when it’s interesting. Apart from living close to nature I don’t feel this place has much to offer to me. Maybe it would make sense to live in the country side – running a business ( some kind of farm for example ). Living in a small, dull town doesn’t feel right at all. I don’t have the knowledge and money to have my own business in the country-side. And I don’t want to live in a small, dull town. I feel this place is taking the life out of me. Yes, I know it’s often not about the place.. but I think these circumstances here, now.. are not very good for me. They are actually quite toxic. I mean living with parents, not many jobs around, city not feeling nice at all… countryside life I cannot afford to do properly now.So.. I hope I’ll get a job in Warsaw.. I keep applying there too.
In the mean time.. a friend of mine said he wants to buy an apartment and needs help with the renovation. He asked me if I’m willing to take part. I’d quite like that. I could use the money and I’d like to do some “real” work with my friend. Let’s see, I hope it aligns. He is still negociating the price with the owner.Damn it! I’m so f4cking fed up with all this. I wish I didn’t come here 1 year and 3 months ago. I just don’t quite get.. why did I have to experience all this? I know there’s something to it.. but I’m wondering why was it so necessary…
Anyway, I hope you’ve had a nice weekend ๐
How are you?
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