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July 20, 2019 at 12:51 am #304065Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
good morning. What I am saying in regards to above is the following- my mother, like a child in many ways – had no coping skills.
If my father had to give her a vaccine, say a flu shot or something else that was routine – she would often pout and cry and make baby faces. She would whimper and say no no don’t hurt me. I recall once a story of her even running around the house to avoid it. The stories were jokes often growing up, but looking back it was very childlike behavior. It’s one thing to have a needle phobia it’s another thing to pout and cry and throw tantrums and make it personal. I am visualizing/commenting on this not just as a daughter right now but also as a healthcare provider. When a patient says to me, why are you doing this to me? This hurts so much. They make it personal – As though I am trying to hurt them, as though the other party isn’t trying their best to help them. It is difficult to explain. But it is a very childlike defense mechanism. When adult patients do this I often am very sympathetic because I understand that often fear leads to regression. With my mother it was different. My mother – as you know was always quick to blame and point the finger.
I know this is going away from our savior conversation. But I think that regardless of everything I know that I was never a savior and my mothers head or heart. No one was. It’s funny, and one where she was very religious, at times – in certain ways. She would often say things like well I know No one can help me at least I have my God. She talked about having a very specific relationship to God (one of our incarnations that she felt extremely close to). She talked about how Hey saw this card figure as a family member, someone who continually has helped her through her hardest times. My sister and I recall her speaking with so much vindictiveness- Spewing out us, looking at us with this evil lie saying well I know the two of you are never going to do anything to help me, at least I have my God!
In back this is almost comical it’s saying two young children, you are not going to help me but God will. How ridiculous! Children versus a God. Whether you believe in a God or Almighty being, what kind of comparison is this! I remember times when I was younger when things like this would make me feel sad, thinking my poor mother. I also remember growing up into adolescence and older – And seeing this as hysterical. But isn’t it interesting, that even though I began to see many of her, it says hysterical, I did not take away my role. As we talk about relinquishing that role of being the savior, in my own head was very difficult and was often subconscious. To this day isn’t it?
It is only now that I have begun to let go of SCC in many ways. Many of the occurrences over this past month, and our deep conversation of all of this has led to this progress.
I thought about what you were saying, about how your mother never had faith in you of being capable to help her. I could see how that was very hurtful, probably subconsciously at the very least, I can also see that pushing a young child or daughter to consistently try. Trying to push herself, then growing very resentful early on.
It is interesting to me how all of our mothers that have the similar backgrounds are very similar you’re very different. If you put them side-by-side, none of them would feel like they related to the other. They would probably Scoff at it. But they’re abusiveness towards us had a similar pattern. It was understanding this early on about two years ago that really helped me realize the reality of my mother. That no matter what the façade, the way the person looks, their social economic status, they’re outward ways – deep down they have similar patterns. It is uncanny often.
The Reason I brought up the heat waveIs because of this. At work many of us were discussing casually what people do during a heatwave. We were joking that if we went to the beach that we would all melt. In addition, it’s not common to have outdoor pools in New York City like many other parts of the country. I thought about how growing up swimming was a huge part of my summer activities and it was very pleasant. Brought me back to those summers, and the pressure. The thought of, oh goodness, my mother and father spent so much time and energy trying to build this pool for us, we better use it. Feeling very guilty all the time. Feeling the need to invite people over my house to the pool instead of going to elsewhere often. The idea of swimming often comes back from this. When I was on my London location, one of the cousins mentioned that when she is settled she would love to have a nice backyard with a pool and asked me. I immediately interjected: not me, a pool is so hard to maintain. She said yeah I guess so, I’m not really sure I never grew up with one. I realize that yes given that our summers are quite short, it is a lot of maintenance, but in reality my answer was obviously coming from the guilt and pressure that I had in the past. My mother made it such a big deal, any sort of house maintenance that they had to do. Although they chose to live in a big house, with all of these frills. It’s Not like my sister and I said let’s go live in a huge house with a big pool and we won’t settle for less!
Another thing, growing up my mother would often be on the phone a lot. I’ve been to one of her sisters. Yes the sisters that that many times in her life would never talk to her or treat her poorly. I recall countless times of walking in and hearing conversations like, “ yes no matter what we do our children never appreciate us, look at how much work we put into things but they are always ungrateful.”
I was often a joking point Between us cousins, I’ll look at our parents always saying things like this about us, we would laugh it off. We had a lot of humor in those days, seeing our parents is ridiculous often and funny. Like many younger people do.
I recall walking into a certain conversation like this when I was older, say 20s. I’m feeling much more angered by it. Sometimes a conversation may be like: well after all we did to raise these children right, what else can we do. I would want to scream, what the heck are you talking about!
Anyway – I know I’m digressing some. The most important aspect of all of this is how it affects me now. What about all of this affects me on a day-to-day basis, affects my neural pathways and keeps me stuck. Causes me suffering? Well first of all, what we have discussed so much this month, the outwardness, the socialness. The guilt and addiction to this.
I have observe myself after the returning from London. I have had a handful of messages asking me if I am back. Let’s say five. Three of them I did not reply to it. They were not urgent it was people looking to make plans for entertainment. One of the people is looking for entertainment because I know that she is “free these days, I know very well that if her life circumstance is different right now she wouldn’t necessarily be reaching out. As is life. The other two were probably looking for a chat. I did reply to one of them who is a close friend that recently moved to Florida, I have mentioned him before. I told him a little bit about the London wedding and ask him how Florida was, and that was it. It was nice to hear from him and there was nothing more.
It’s the aspects of all of this that feel extremely consuming that are detrimental. I Did judge myself before of course, andOne conversation with you believe it or not was quite cover it all. About that wedding, and believe me I won’t bring it up again as it will give you a headache. It give me a step back, obligation or not, why should I especially in the state of my life, sign up for any more ridiculousness! Really, life can be that simple.
But above and beyond the most important thing that I have learned this month is the inner circle. Thank you for teaching me about this Anita. Would like to write here a little bit about it to refresh myself. I do believe a concept like this requires consistent refreshment and re-calibration.
We spoke about S, if I had attendedEngagement party I would be outside, her inner circle would be herself and fiancé. I have made it a point in my life to be on the sidelines, the outer circle in peoples lives. Neglecting my own inner circle myself and husband. Or simply myself first and foremost before anyone. I didn’t seem like this to me for many years, friendship was such an important aspect of my life, it felt like it was inner circle. Which brings us to our next point the concept of changing priorities from teenage to adult. As I said, my husband and I have had somewhat of a delayed adulthood given all of our training. Many of our friends who went through all of the years like us have similar stories. Unlike them, we often suffered with this given that we never gained the “selfishness”’or self focus to put ourselves first. With the combination of changing priorities from teenage to adulthood, and the inner circle. There is maturity.
My mother never ever taught me what maturity of us. My mother never actually really talked about the concept of growing into an adult and becoming mature. Of course, she would love to use jabs. Like that comment that we bring up so often, about how I have been crying since I was born. Always making comments of just because I am a grown-up now, say 20s and in medical school doesn’t even mean that I am close to mature. In fact my father would often say with these big guys and harsh voice, don’t think that you are doing so great- Just because you are achieving all of this in your career, if you don’t have common sense and continue to be messy or frenzied at home – you don’t achieve anything. Or better put, you Can go on at achieve anything in your life as far as a career goals, but if you continue to be like this in the home you are nothing (in regards to my absent mindedness).
I recall one time driving home from somewhere, probably 20s or so. I had the music on loud, I pulled into our driveway. My father open the garage door. Instead of saying hello he said this. Why is your music on so loud? OK, not an uncommon question from a father to a daughter. But I want something like this: “You know that people thatHave to listen to music this that are suffering inside. They have mental issues. They can’t even listen to their own thoughts.”
And Anita, he wasn’t saying this in a concerned way. As in what is going on my dear child why are you listening to music like this are you suffering? He was saying it mockingly. As in, Oh look at you how pathetic you need to have your music on so loud because you can’t even listen to your own thoughts. How weak and troubled you are.
I think about this time to time when I put on my music/headphones on the subway. Not because I judge myself for music at all, but because I truly appreciate the solace that many of us find in music, especially when the environment around us is extremely frenzied. Music offers some respite. I laugh at how ridiculous and juvenile he was even though he was a physician. Not understanding the first thing about coping with any sort of anxiety or mental health.
What’s more is that it is not uncommon for teenagers to listen to extremely loud music, I mean half of the songs that are out there right now our pop music made by young people that are expression emotions, the woes of love, growing pains. My Sister and I talk about how our parents never let us grow. The either wanted us to be in a childlike state, or to be for mature adults. They never understood the concept of growing pains of growth in between. We of course attributed this to The generation gap, and the cultural disparity. It’s not like I was going to go home and talk to my mom about a crush at school, immigrant parents it was different. But that’s a fine scenario for maybe so much of America.
Ours was different – it was judging and mocking as above. What a comment right?
I also think about how all my own father dealt with so much anxiety and lack of coping, but he was deflecting his issues on to me. I still remember exactly how he looked when he said this comment to me, standing in the garage opening the door looking so angry like he would explode. Like a crazy person (for lack of a better term) talking out loud to them self.
Years later, especially when all of the wedding drama ensued. He would say things like you don’t even respect your own father. I would often say if you acted like an adult perhaps I would. It would go one of two ways. It would lead him or my mother to be enraged and say oh goodness look at what kind of daughter this is what did we deserve in this life to deserve this sort of treatment. OR I would lead to the mellow drama, oh please forgive us our dear daughter, please forgive anything that we have done to hurt you. We love you and do you know that no one else cares about you like we do.
A sort of begging and desperation on the hands and knees type. The type where my mother would have told my father, let’s play nice with her so we don’t lose her we need her.
Towards the end I would laugh to myself, you think I’m that stupid that I’m going to fall for your drama, you better have gone to a better acting school. But – unlike now – I was not disconnected from emotion then and observing – it was of course extremely stressful and triggering.
oh wow – there’s always so much. how exhausting isn’t it, Beyond anything else first and foremost how incredibly exhausting these people are
July 20, 2019 at 8:07 am #304079AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I read your most recent post and then went back to your November 2016 first posts about your childhood. I will combine shares from then and now.
– You wrote about your mother: “her own siblings.. shunned, ridiculed and harassed her”- and she did the same to you, shunned, ridiculed and harassed you and your sister, her daughters.
– You were significantly distressed as a child although you tend to think you had a happy childhood. Your father told you: “Just because you are achieving all of this in your career, if you don’t have common sense and continue to be messy or frenzied at home”- you were messy and frenzied at home, from an early age because you were significantly distressed. Your father, by the way, blamed you for the consequences (“messy or frenzied”) of being tortured by your mother and himself.
You were messy and frenzied at home because your home life was distressing, no wonder you focused on friendships aka the “outer circle”. The inner circle, home, was a distressing experience (“friendship was such an important aspect of my life, it felt like it was my inner circle”).
“When I close my eyes I think of my mom as a damaged soul, a sad and abused.. fragile puppy… it simply just makes me feel soo soo bad for her”- feeling “soo soo bad” does not make a happy childhood.
“My mother- as you know was always quick to blame and point the finger… speaking with so much vindictiveness- Spewing out us, looking at us with this evil lie saying well I know the two of you are never going to do anything to help me, at least I have my God!”- this doesn’t make for a good childhood.
“I had an affinity to overanalyze, fixate, and create a lot of burden of guilt on myself”, you wrote about your teenage years. Overanalyzing, fixating and being burdened by guilt does not make a happy childhood.
“The thought of, oh goodness, my mother and father spent so much time and energy trying to build this pool for us. we better use it. Feeling very guilty all the time…. It’s Not like my sister and I said let’s go live in a huge house with a big pool and we won’t settle for less!… I recall countless times of walking in and hearing conversations like, ‘yes no matter what we do our children never appreciate us, look at how much work we put into things but they are always ungrateful”.
“I work so hard in career and personal life, stay fit, do yoga, have great friends- but funny thing is- my fiancé mentioned it too- it always feels like there is something wrong“- when you close your eyes you see your mother as “a damaged soul.. sad.. abused… isolated and mistreated”, and then she blames you for abusing her and mistreating her. A child cannot be calm or happy with these messages: my mother is suffering and I am adding to her suffering, guilty!
“they gave us their whole life- we had it easy. but it’s not true, it wasn’t and isn’t easy- if it was would I be here typing this?”- no, you wouldn’t be typing this here Nov 2016- July 2019, so far.
Here is your home experience in childhood, from the beginning: “it’s like sitting at a dinner table of 4 and focusing on the 6 that didn’t make it- with that mindset nothing or no one could be enough”- not your husband, not anyone or anything is enough. When your husband, before you married, surprised you at your birthday by taking you to a restaurant you’ve been in before, that wasn’t enough. When you were traveling with him in South Africa, that wasn’t enough, so you focused on a friend’s party in nyc. The examples are numerous.
It wasn’t pleasant in that dinner table with the four of you; these 4 people sitting at the dinner table, that was your inner circle. You didn’t want to be there. You wanted to be elsewhere (outer circle).
You imagine, retroactively, that you had a happy childhood, mostly in your first decade. It cannot be true, it is nostalgia, make believe, focusing on certain memories and forgetting the” messy or frenzied at home”, forgetting seeing your mother like a suffering child and you, guilty of adding to the suffering of that child.
Regarding you coming home following your mother’s extramarital affair, you wrote: “I was flustered but not surprised. I went to SCC mode, consoling my mother- but also flustered. Berating her for making foolish errors.. I was at that age (mid 20s) not afraid to talk back to her at all- playing the role of the mother scolding the silly child.. but then quickly my mother would ruffle her feathers and jump back up” –
– Your Super Cali Chica role is about being the Strong One in the daughter-mother unit. You imagined and needed to believe as a child and on, that you were the strong one of the two. When you closed your eyes and saw her as a damaged soul, a sad and abused child, you saw her as Weak, and you saw yourself as Strong, Super, but she ruffled her feathers and jumped back up, attacking you, that enraged you, not only then, bt before. She wasn’t consistent, weak but then strong, attacking you.
You thought she needed you, look at what you wrote regarding cutting contact with her, Jan 17, 2018: “the idea of losing her daughter is crippling to her.. she would likely get our whole extended family involved, maybe even end up hospitalized due to deep despair, hysteria, and psychosis related tot he idea of ‘losing me'”-
– Do you see how important, how Super you used to believe that you are to her? So important that she would be suffering deep despair, hysteria and psychosis if you cut contact with her.
That didn’t happen, the whole extended family involved.. why not? Why isn’t she psychotic, hospitalized, crying from her hospital bed: where are thou Cali Chica???
You wrote yesterday: “relinquishing that role of being the savior, in my own head was difficult.. To this day isn’t it?”- yes, I believe so, because the savior role/ SCC role made it possible for you to survive your childhood and to function as well as you did, graduating medical school, and so forth. Giving up that role is threatening. But the role goes with that messy and frenzied, distress mindset, focusing on the outer circle and so on. You’ve been doing excellent work, and there is more work to be done on relinquishing that role, dealing with that guilt, and resting in calm.
anita
July 22, 2019 at 7:23 am #304337Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good morning! I am not very focused this morning, I think it was rushing to work in the heat that got me. I will definitely sink in and hydrate.
I woke up with this thought:
I can enjoy, if I let myself.
the thought expanded: I can ____, if I let myself
It could be: relax, enjoy, feel, it could be anything.
To go back to your post:
Do you see how important, how Super you used to believe that you are to her? So important that she would be suffering deep despair, hysteria and psychosis if you cut contact with her.
I do. I thought about this a lot this weekend. A scorching hot weekend where everyone was indoors. It reminded me of how my mother would have been over whelmed with the prospect of staying indoors all weekend, and “finding activities” for us. I notice how this was projected onto my sister and I – Us believing we always need entertainment, us believing we always need this or that.
Us (I) believing so many things about myself that are untrue. How many years have I looked up to/put on a pedestal people who are able to be inner and centered.
It is pretty simple – to know that pretty much everything my mother said was false! Including the savior role, from which the SCC role was born.
I have a much better relationship with my sister than a few months ago – but I still notice that if there was once place that SCC exists regularly it is in that relationship.
This time around I can’t blame my sister for doing anything to trigger me, it is that I tend to jump into entertaining, trying, doing CC when I am around her. It is difficult for me to relax, and I notice I subconsciously feel the need to make sure she is always having a good time. We have talked about it plenty – and of course the root is all the years when my sister was lonely and didn’t have many friends -feeling the need to show my sister a good time.
She is now an adult, with a great career, and a good set of friends. She is just fine.
I know it is the old neuropathways being re-activated around her, and I know it hasn’t been so long where my interaction with her was this way. In fact when moving here to NYC as you know my greatest distress was her – and feeling the need to settle her in even before ourselves. Still feeling at times perhaps the pressure to make sure I spend time with her regularly. I know it is a self induced obligation. I do enjoy my time with her, and with both of our dogs – but realize it doesn’t have to be so regular.
I read this article about marriage. Now I know much of the literature out there on marriage, where is Christian marriage literature, psychological literature, self help literature – focuses on a few tenets. Compromise, love, respect, etc.
Yet this article I came across was quite specific. It cited everything that takes away from your focus on your marriage as an “intruder” — if I read this article just 6 months ago I would have thought the term harsh. But it resonated with me perfectly
An intruder can be anything, good or bad. It doesn’t necessarily need to be negative – its simply anyone/thing that takes away from your full focus on marriage
1) work
2) family members
3) friends
4) events
I put this this way as it helps me itemize. I think about for my husband and I, perhaps more than any couple I know – this is so relevant! It is not to say we need to delete everything from our life – but be COGNIZANT that we have many things working AGAINST us. So to feel centered together is ACTIVE – if we passively let all the “intruders” go in and out – we will be left spent, without much of a connection.
1) work – work is work. As said last week – at least my job is not as grueling and emotionally taxing as my husband’s. But we are in the process of looking at new opportunities for him. We are open to relocating out west as well, perhaps to Texas or Colorado (in a major city) as healthcare is often less toxic away from the Northeast. More on that as it progresses
2) Family members. Well the most toxic one of all is now gone. But the article pointed out that even well meaning individuals such as parents can be “intruders” I see what it meant. For example, we just came back from our london weekend, which took a lot out of me emotionally given the way it ended with the cousin (as you know). Let’s say (not real) that my in laws invited us over this weekend. I would have wanted to say oh okay maybe – but in reality it would not be what we NEEDED. It is about what you need at the time to recover and regenerate. Luckily my in laws are never pushy, and entirely understanding. Yet this is a learning point more for me than anyone. That it is okay to do nothing, it is okay to say no, even the kindest most well meaning people. I will say I am grateful that my in laws have not caused me any pressure.
Family cont’d: my sister. My sister has been helpful in the time we were away, she watched my dog. She hasn’t been “needy” or asking too much of me. She has her own life in her 20s with her friends and social activities. Yet, I feel as above a mild pressure. Not as much as before at all – but mild in the sense that if the weekend rolls around and we are free and not full of plans, and she asks me what I am doing, I feel the need to involve her or see her. Such as “oh meet us at the park” or oh we are heading to lunch maybe come meet us after. etc. Not because she asks – but its this feeling I sense. Maybe I sense that loneliness in her still even if it is not overt, feeling the need to jump in as SCC and entertain her. Maybe it is simply a matter of time that I can relinquish it. All in all, this learning exercise teaches me that inner circle yes, does include my sister in the sense of my close knit people – but SHOULD NOT when it comes to my marriage.
Inner circle is truly only my husband and I (oh and our sweet dog)
3) events – self explanatory we have been talking about this for a while, the necessary and the unnecessary, the weddings etc – picking and choosing and doing only what is needed, never sacrificing my own sanity (or try to maintain it best I can)
July 22, 2019 at 8:19 am #304339AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Good morning. It will be nice when the heat wave is over, wouldn’t it.
“to know that pretty much everything my mother said was false! Including the savior role, from which the SCC role was born”- like I wrote to you earlier, a broken clock is correct twice in 24 hours; your mother underperformed a broken clock.
“A scorching hot weekend where everyone was indoors. It reminded me of how my mother would have been overwhelmed with the prospect of staying indoors all weekend, and ‘finding activities’ for us”- your mother being overwhelmed means you were overwhelmed (the one mental unit).
“It is difficult for me to relax”- your job was to prevent your mother from being overwhelmed by becoming overwhelmed yourself before she does, and seeing to it that she is entertained do to prevent her from getting overwhelmed, and to get your sister busy so to prevent your mother becoming distressed over your sister being at home friendless.
Your Social Super CC role was born out of your need to prevent your mother from getting distressed and overwhelmed by becoming distressed and overwhelmed yourself and doing what is needed to prevent that from happening to her.
anita
July 22, 2019 at 8:29 am #304341Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good morning. Wonderful point that is new to me, I was racing to be overwhelmed first, as to take away this feeling from my mother. Oh how many examples come to my mind now that you put it that way!
Your Social Super CC role was born out of your need to prevent your mother from getting distressed and overwhelmed by becoming distressed and overwhelmed yourself and doing what is needed to prevent that from happening to her
yes, and so now even though mother isn’t around, she is lurking in the shadows, the mother voice. “over-attending” to my sister even when not asked for still comes as that practice pattern. Let’s make sure she is fine, extra fine, so that mother doesnt worry.
i know that will take practice. I also know that I have had enough challenges in July thus far, starting from the horrific wife coming over, to the London cousin event. I have had my work cut out for me thus far in July in regards to outer people and inner circle.
How often we take away from our own ability to do something by repeatedly self-sabotaging. I won’t blame myself entirely, as my entire distress and “overwhelmingness” comes from my mother feeling this way – and then I taking on that role.
I have done a good job of keeping distance since I’ve returned from my trip. Not attending to others. My sister’s example came to mind this weekend when I spent a few hours with her.
My husband mentioned the following day, that he notices progress in my sister – but still finds that he doesn’t like the person I “turn into” around her – like a master entertainer who can’t sit still and relax.
I took it to heart this time, seeing to it that all of July has given me many examples of triggers..
July 22, 2019 at 8:58 am #304347Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I hear your voice in my head, not my mother’s voice, I hear your’s (or at least the words)
OH Cali Chica, for crying out loud! Keep your sister out of it! How many times have we gone over what works and doesn’t work. Clearly spending time with your sister right now is not allowing you to sink in and be un-triggered. So Don’t!
I hear these words and smile, I sink into it – good, no excellent, wisdom (not that you have said them to me, it is imagined of course) from our countless meaningful interactions.
July 22, 2019 at 9:01 am #304349AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
The young child that you were, in your brain, there was no separation between you and your mother. You know intelligently that the two of you were separate people, her body was separate from yours. But in your mental perception, which happens in the brain, the two of you were not separate. Her calm was necessary for your survival because a mother out of her mind means her child will die, it is so imprinted in our genes. So the girl that you were naturally is doing all that she can to correct the situation, prevent her mother from going crazy. Do whatever it takes to survive a crazy mother, not understanding she is crazy, taking on her craziness so to have a sane mother.
You can’t relax, because you have to be alert: what needs to be done now to keep mother sane, what needs to be arranged, scheduled, done to keep the mother in control of herself, functional, sane.
(I read your second post, double posting).
anita
July 22, 2019 at 9:26 am #304357Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I take from this the concept of being alert always, and feeling irritated these days when I have to be in scenarios that are not work related.
Sure one may say – oh if you attend a dinner you don’t have to be alert per se, just relax!
Well that doesn’t apply to me!
Sure one may say – oh if you hang out with this person, you don’t have to be alert per se, just relax!
Well that doesn’t apply to me!
If I extricate this all out – my “alertness” problem will not disappear. Say if I am on a deserted island just my husband and I, our unit, the inner circle – I will not all of a sudden be able to act as the best person I can be.
So many times per day, as you say, the fear is re-activated. It is that line we spoke about the line between fear and escape – which leads to frenzy. Focusing on that line, what does that line consist of?
I observed it this weekend, when around others (in this case my sister) the line consists of turning into performing SCC, that does not have an off switch to go to snooze/un-alert mode.
Often after this, CC feels emotionally drained, so even after the individual or situation has passed, she does not feel now alert to the REAL important thing, her current life and husband. The over alertness was wasted on nothing. Alert for what? Nothing.
So now that I actually have to attend to something important, which could be merely sinking in and relaxing with my husband – the alertness was exhausted.
Now here I am set up to be more irritable.
What about when no one else is around/involved:
I woke up Saturday in an off mood. Feeling sleepy, sluggish, and irritable. It happens, whether it’s related to hormones, food, stress – just life. I realized this about my self as I quickly got up so we could take the dog to the dog park before the heat become to oppressive. On my way out, I saw that one of the buildings had outdoor workers polishing something on the front of the building. I thought: “goodness why would they make them do this today! With a heat index of 105! these poor men”
I offered to get the men some water bottles. When I caught up with my husband who was heading to the park. I was irritated! God, who would make those men do that work today I continued, on a mini rant. He looked at me and said, It’s great that you got them water – but what else can we do.
And I Realized it, I started the day off triggered, no matter what or who came in my direction I would have snapped. It was a kettle about to boil over. I recognized this, literally shook my head physically and said – you are right – let’s start over.
So shall we get something cold to drink ourselves, before heading to the park – he said yes, sure.
July 22, 2019 at 10:11 am #304361AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
“The over alertness was wasted on nothing. Alert for what? Nothing”- This chronic alertness, when originated, was for a reason, for Something- keep the crazy woman under control, stop her crazy if it already started, prevent her crazy if it is not evident yet. If you had a sane mother, this would not have been your baseline, as you refer to it, baseline anxiety, this chronic alertness, the inability to relax.
It was an adjustment on your part, nothing you chose. It takes time to realize most other people are not crazy like your mother, your husband isn’t. He is predictable, sane. Even the woman at work and the cousin… you called them monsters, but they are not as crazy as your mother. You see your mother in those women. Not to say that either one is pleasant or not rude, but part of how you view each one and how you feel about each, when you did, is a projection of who your mother is, and how you have felt about your mother.
The men working in the heat, you gave them water. My mother would have, she has fed strangers, feeling empathy for anyone who may be hungry or thirsty, going out of her way.. but her daughter experiencing anxiety, loneliness, great sadness, shame, guilt.. didn’t get her empathy.
anita
July 22, 2019 at 11:12 am #304365Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It takes time to realize most other people are not crazy like your mother
hmm.. very interesting – I see how I am “overly” triggered by these women now, perhaps more than I would have been prior, given that I see these mother qualities in them.
I think I spend a lot of time thinking about how people are not what they seem, and since they are all so self-oriented and inner circle oriented, why shouldn’t I be? This sentiment sounds a lot like my mother – this resentment on her end that others were selfish and she wasn’t.
Knowing what we know now, that in fact my mother was the selfish one! And she fed me lies.
the chronic alertness has been helped by days like that Central park evening with my husband, that nice evening I detailed out to you.
It is nice, Anita, to know that there is relief from the chronic alertness. That there is help for it.
This does not mean it changes the pattern quickly, no that will take time. But to know at least something can help – that is quite reassuring.
July 22, 2019 at 11:32 am #304369AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
That chronic alertness, that can be helped significantly and quicker than you think if you believe that it is possible for you. You already experienced calm on occasion. It is possible for you this very minute, today.
Live intentionally, mindfully and calm will be more and more your experience. Next time you experience calm, it may be this minute, capture the experience and make a home for it in a corner of your brain. Maybe in a room like that traditional recovery room for new mothers that you described some time ago. And then, when you feel that chronic alertness, that baseline anxiety, remember that room and go there.
anita
July 23, 2019 at 8:18 am #304483Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita;
Good morning. Thank you for reminding me this about the concept of calm.
I have been Emphasizing outside people plenty of this month so far. Often feeling like there are flies, needing to swap the flies away in order to be able to relax. Swat Swat Swat.
What’s the firm, myself without flies. I know that there are certain triggers of mine that have nothing to do with other people. For example, I have mentioned this to you before, there is the PMS aspect of it, before my cycle in which I know that I have increased distress, emotional disturbance, and insomnia. Ive tracker this on my calendar for almost a year now, and almost every month it is like clockwork. At least to a point I know that I can correct this and I can make sense of it. I read online plenty, that is important during this time if you are aware of it, to give yourselves even more self-care for that week or so.
Well interestingly, yesterday I started experiencing this, a few hours I read your last post. I went home from work feeling pretty crappy for lack of a better term, emotionally and physically. But I also wound up in the sense that I didn’t feel so exhausted that I could fall straight to sleep. I looked at my phone and there you have it, my director told me I could have the day off tomorrow, it was a light day at work and they didn’t need all of us to be there. How wonderful! A day of rest – and how timely. I made some food. When my husband arrived home he said to me what’s wrong, I explained to him and he said since you feel like that why don’t you just lay down, will eat dinner and then you can go straight to sleep. I would usually fight it. Find it plenty. I didn’t.
After dinner we watched some program, I can hardly remember and I fell straight to sleep. Like clockwork I woke up at 3 o’clock in the morning, as I usually do at least these few days out of the month feeling very imbalanced. I thought annoyed, I feel angry. I thought about how this is not a condition that affects most people this severely, why do I have to feel like this so terribly a few days or a week out of the month?! Then I felt sorry for myself that I suffer this way when it’s not like the other part of the month is peachy keen anyway. Lastly, I do what I usually do, I intellectualized it. I got back on the Internet and read about the reasons why this happens to certain woman, and some of the treatments for it. I have gone through this cycle almost every month. The last which is reading the treatments. I know that I don’t want to be honest any sort of medication if I can avoid it. So the last thing I read was about what was written above, be aware of those few days to a week out of the month and try to be focused on self care possible.
I fell back asleep.
When I woke up again the first thing that came to mind is this: We can’t fix everything, but we must believe that if we try we can have some benefit.
Let’s take me over all, of the healing journey. And then you throw this other aspect into it. On my healing journey at least once a month I feel much worse. Perhaps it is predictably Boris, but it still is worse. Often during those days I feel like I am knocked off the journey, and it takes that much more effort to climb back on. But you know what a few days will pass and I feel like myself again!
I thought about high school, a lot of young girls will get their first cycles, and be sent home from school because the cramps were so bad. I thought about college and having roommates that would be stuck to their heating pad and popcorn and movies during those weeks. I thought about myself. Never. None of this. SCC always. Didn’t matter what day or time of the month. Never down.
Thought about countless examples looking back of them and saying I’d love to make it but I’m having a really off day today can we reschedule / or the like.
It all came together. People take care of themselves. They don’t fight it. I have incredible incredible difficulty Anita, Stopping when I don’t feel 100%, and then if I put myself over the edge I become resentful. I have never protected myself, sure in my 20s and earlier I never experience the symptoms I’m experiencing now, but of course I was tired of course I needed breaks.
And now – Hormones change as you approach your 30s and 40s, life changes. Sometimes your body tells us enough is enough need a few days to just stop. Hibernate if you well. Doesn’t matter if you’re a doctor, lawyer, housewife, a painter, a single mother, a writer, anything in the world. The body is the body. It doesn’t matter why even sometimes.
What about myself in the middle of the night last night, going through many phases. Annoyance, frustration, desperation, and lastly intellectualizing. Wanting to know a reason for what I was going through, the science behind it.
At the end of the day what mattered, I needed rest! I needed to sleep in past 6 AM for once, I needed not to rush to work. I needed to make myself a nice cup of tea and have some fresh fruit in the morning. All things that will nourish my body. Isn’t that right?
There is so much of an emphasis on woman pushing through, woman living in. The media and the landscaper out there it tells women that they can do it all. They can be CEOs and be super moms and still fit into a size two. There is nothing out there that tells woman that they should take a moment for themselves. The hilarious thing now is that the yoga culture in the meditation culture is so severe that people flock to it with anxiety. The rush rush rush at work, and then rush to yoga or whatever it may be -And then expect to feel better with the cycle over and over. They don’t. I don’t. It appears to many people that it’s a weakness to not be able to do it all, it definitely is for me, and especially when you look at the infrastructure that I live in in 2019 with young career women.
Best thing that I could have ever done was to delete all social media accounts one year ago, my husband as well. There is no point of knowing useless facts about other people day in and day out. Next most important thing I could’ve ever done, outside of no contact with my parents, is surrendering. I have told you a recent while ago, that I would be OK with taking time off from my work, or going down to less hours, if it came to it and an ideal situation arose. I don’t want to try to “power over” my own self.
So anyway, here I am, having a day off that was entirely unexpected. And the timing! Do you wanna know something funny Anita, you won’t be surprised. One of the first things I thought about when I woke up not feeling so great this morning, I thought oh man I have a whole day off and I don’t even feel great, I won’t be able to utilize it! That SCC instant thought.
I then thought about it again and said how fortuitous to have a day off when I don’t feel so great, maybe I can actually learn how to rest. 🙂
July 23, 2019 at 10:01 am #304507AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I thought about this on my walk yesterday, thought about writing to you about it yesterday but .. ended up in that brewery I told you about, it was nice. But I digress. I thought this regarding the one unit with your mother (a one mental unit that every child experiences with the primary caretaker):
she was weak, running around like a child when she had to have a shot, afraid of the needle, throwing temper tantrums, like a child, complaining a lot of … not having friends to play with, sort of. So you, being a unit with her, had to be the strong adult person.
Let’s say a child needs to experience 80% adult strength, and the mother gives the child only 5% of that, so the child needs to make up the missing 75%. The result, young Cali Chica becoming Super CC.
“The media .. tells women that they can do it all. They can be CEOs and be super moms and still fit into a size two”-
– before media, it was your mother who behaved in such infantile ways, ridiculously childish, that to make up for the missing strong and adult person at home, you became that person who “can do it all”- study hard at school, get good grades, make friends for yourself and your mother, entertain your sister, see to it that you use the pool so to not have it be a waste, get into a grueling medical school regiment, pass all the exams and all that it takes to become a medical doctor, be very social, attend to all friends and strangers… all that had nothing to do with media and everything to do with that mental unit.
And of course, the stress of all this exhausts you, and maybe the cycle of the month takes your already stressed and exhausted body over the edge.
What do you think?
anita
July 23, 2019 at 10:26 am #304513Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I absolutely agree. Absolutely. I often think about how I had to be the strong one, and not just stronger as in developing as a child and learning myself – growing and maturing. , I know, actually, that part was actually skipped over. I went from being a child to having to be strong for her, but in there lost the ability to self trust or know what I need – for me. What does CC need?
It’s interesting have a child like my mother was and how weak. Yet she would shoot me down but even the slightest show of being human. Like the example we go back to being distressed in medical school. Here’s the thing about that example, I was not just stressed, I was having a full on breakdown, feeling that I was having some sort of major psychiatric issue on able to deal with all of the things – what things – boy trouble. How interesting right? That incident revolve around my distress over boy issues. I wasn’t sitting there saying I feel so overwhelmed I’m sick and tired of doing it all. Of course not all of this understanding with so absent at the time.
So yes, I am put over the edge one time a month. And that is because I am human. Does it suck? Yes, but I am working on it and most of all I am aware. What else can we do?
I’ll go back, let’s say my mother was here she would, and, oh this kind of stuff never happened to me. Your generation is always complaining. I would believe it. Entirely for getting her entire life of distress and acting like she was below the age of two. Nope, and totally overlooked.
I remember I was trying to get into a difficult field in medical school, I feel that only would take the top 1% of students. It didn’t work out for me for a few different reasons, which ended up being for the best right now. But that’s not the point of the story. The point of the story is that, when it didn’t work out for me my mothers first response was, well look at A. She got in, she’s not nearly as smart as you, but you know what she has? Focused. That’s the issue with you you are so incredibly smart, but you just won’t have that focus that’s why she got it in. And I believed it. And in many ways it was true of course. This girl spent all of her time studying and getting the grades and credentials to get into that field. What did I do?
well I didn’t know then. – but what did I do? I ran around like a maniac, the super person that my mother forced me to become – myself unknowingly. She then was quickly was able to throw down, oh look at you stupid girl running around this weekend that, you don’t have focus, you won’t find success like people who do.
July 23, 2019 at 10:45 am #304517AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
“I went from being a child to having to be strong for her, but in there lost the ability to self trust or know what I need- for me. What does CC need?”
– she needs to be strong, but not unrealistically or unwisely strong. In that mental unit, you took an extreme version of strong, one that is unrealistic and unwise. In your healing, you exercise a realistic and wise version of strong, the only kind of strong that works:
Focus on what matters, not on what does not matter. What matters? Make a list of what matters, in priority order, from most important to least important. Your focus, time and resources should go to the higher priority items first. Do you want to make this list: what is important to CC, in order of priority, from most to least?
anita
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