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  • #210051
    John
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    okay, i’m going to print out a bunch of this so i can sit down and really re-read it.  try to get it all in and be able to answer all the questions.  I will repost later tonight or tomorrow.  I try to get to this when i can at work, and on my phone at home.  I really need to focus on this though.

     

    BTW, i’m still hurting today.  can’t stop thinking about her at all…  I need a lobotomy!!

    #210055
    Brandy
    Participant

    Yikes. Maybe a lobotomy isn’t a bad idea.

    #210065
    John
    Participant

    I’m seriously losing my shit.  Not trying to be dramatic or anything, but it feels like it did when she wanted a break and then when we split up.  Except all i can think of is her having the time of her life, and here i am.  I’m really trying to enjoy all the good things. but damn.  my brain will not shut off.  She really did a number on me.

     

    Like i said, i will read that stuff tonight.  I feel like my heart hasn’t beaten all day.  🙁

    #210067
    John
    Participant

    I’m thinking after  I re-read and answer all your questions and we get that all settled…  I’m going to have to take a break from this.  basically anything to do with her that reminds me of her.  this is insane.  I feel so helpless and pathetic.  i used to be so strong, anything would roll off of me.  now …  i don’t know what has happened to me.  I thank you all for your patience and support.  I will get back to you soon…

    #210069
    Brandy
    Participant

    I was just kidding about the lobotomy! Ok sounds good. -B

    #210135
    John
    Participant

    Anita, I’ll try to answer the best I can.

    With my ex. What I meant by a fantasy or in the movies was that we fell in love hard and true. I do know that I fell for her harder and sooner than she did for me. But she was in love in a big way. That is what she showed me. We had nonstop communication throughout the majority of our relationship. We both were looking forward to the day that her youngest son graduated and left Home so she could live here with me. We referred to it as the two year plan. In fact we started talking about it after we were together for about 4 months. She was the one looking at houses in my area and was looking at work prospects here. She did things for me that I never had before. She was always thinking of me. It was seriously like a movie romance. Maybe I thought it was too good to be true and somehow subconsciously sabotaged it. She was even talking about marriage with me not even a month before the wedding weekend.  She even told me that she hoped her boys would grow up to be like me.

    For me “waiting”. When things started getting hard for her it felt like I was getting pushed aside. Like I wasn’t important anymore. That’s when I started to panic. I thought I was doing something wrong. Which at that time I wasn’t. She just had too much shit and it was hard for her to share with me. When she did instead of listening and supporting I was trying to fix everything. With her, her kids, her work, and her family. That’s what caused her to pull away more. She told me this recently. Then my problem was in my insecurity I looked to the internet for anwsers. I read that in a long distance relationship that you should have set regular days or time together. You should talk every night if you can. And more. So I brought that up. That we need to start having one weekend together just us and try to have two nights a month during the week that we had dinner. And one weekend with us and the kids. I was trying to save something that I thought was failing and she saw it as me being needy and controlling. She needed to be able to take it day by day. No planning or set “schedules”.

    what was hard for me to handle was that before all the shit hit. We had somewhat of a regular thing. She would call me certain times of the day and almost every night before bed. We would text on average at least once every couple hours and if I didn’t text she would miss me. When all of this slowed down. I didn’t know what to think. I didn’t see that she was dealing with shit that had nothing to do with me and I took it personal like I was causing it. Which I eventually did by constantly bugging when she needed time and space.

    I seriously could not read between the lines and I took everything as somethings my I was doing and in trying to make it better I made it worse. Even after we broke up I couldn’t leave it alone (surprise lol). I fell apart. I got on match within a week looking for something. Looking for her. (Figuratively). She found out. And that made things even worse. I know I made a lot of mistakes. I know she did too. She should of sat me down when she was noticing things and talked to me about them but she didn’t. Not until this last month did she really tell me everything. I know if she would of told me that she she was noticing I would of backed off. If she could of told me straight out that I was trying to fix her and all she wanted was me to listen and not give advice. Or if she really needed to get through this on her own. When she talked to me about her problems. I took it as a cry for help. Instead it was just a need to vent.

    I think that’s one of the hardest things for me. I don’t feel like I ever got the chance to fix my problems with her. I know that maybe she was done and did t want to try. But I feel like if I could of. Things would of been better.

    I feel cheated out of being able to make it better.  And now I feel like for her her world is finally coming together and what we were both waiting for is happening  she is moving out of the house she hated(it was her and her ex-husbands)  she is starting a new job which she hated her old one  and now she is finally getting out and doing things with friends where before she never did  only with me.  And I feel like some other guy gets to enjoy the butterfly I was waiting for.  I know it’s selfish, just how I feel.

    As for my ex-wife. We basically grew into roommates living together. I think that’s why it didn’t hit me like this when she left. As time went on we just became close like best friends. She has been wonderful through all of this. Really been good support.

    My sister lives on the other side of the US. I went and visited her about 3-4 years ago and she hasn’t been able to come over here because of her new business. And me going over there cost a lot. Between me and my girls. And time off work. I don’t have a lot of money. So…

    with my oldest daughter. I only got her every other weekend (different mother than my other girls). So thAt was tough. She did live with me for a year then moved to my sisters. She took advantage of her and me.  Burned us both bad. It wasn’t until last December she came to me and aloplogized and admitted her wrongs. That’s why we are talking now.

    I do have a good life. I have a great group of friends that would do anything for me. Family as well. My little girls are fantastic and they show me love everyday. I also have a potential life partner that wants nothing but to make me happy and she does. I try to enjoy what I have and do things to replace memories and make new ones.

    May problem is that no matter of all this and how much I should be grateful and happy, I can’t stop missing her. All of everything else combined doesn’t make me as happy as I was with her. Just hearing her voice on a voicemail would make my day. Seeing her text that she loved me and missed me would make my week. Having a day with her would make my month. I know that sounds bad but that’s the way I felt. I was 100% head over heals in love with her. I would of done anything. (If I would of know that I didn’t need to do anything…) I’m afraid I still would. I can’t get over that feeling. I’m really trying. I’m trying to be thankful for what I have and embrace it all. But it feels like everything I do reminds me of her. Even camping this last weekend. I kept thinking about the last time we went camping together.

    I don’t know this feeling. I never had it before. I just want to be done. I want to never think of her again. But then I still have hope that someday she will contact me again. How retarded is that?  I can’t let go and accept that she is happy without me. With someone else.

    Jeeze. I’m writing a book again.

    I hope I answered some things. If there are more, please chime in. I really appreciate it all. I know I’m hard headed and I’m tryimg to answer everything. So please be patient with me. Thank you all for your support. I really wish I would of found this website when things first started to get wierd.

    #210157
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Brandy: I have been following your posts on this thread with great interest. I am glad you are here. You helped me learn as much as I did so far, in the context of this thread. Your posts are intelligent, inquisitive, insightful, a pleasure for me to read.

    Dear John:

    One might think that the dominant emotion expressed on this thread by you is emotional pain over an ex girlfriend. But this is not true. The dominant emotion expressed here is the Thrill of performing to an audience (the readers, the members replying to you).

    Here is the thrill: “It freaking sucks… it’s killing me… killing me though.. sucks… OMG. This is so hard… sucks… I will never be the same again… there is still a hole in my chest… I’m so screwed up… I’m so lost”- it is this thrill, this excitement that keeps you coming back to your thread and posting. Not the pain of an ended relationship.

    Your motivation to post here is not to express your pain and definitely not to  look for solutions to a problem. The motivation is to experience the thrill of performing.

    It therefore doesn’t matter what I type here, what any member posts to you. You will at times refer to what a member wrote to you but only for the purpose of keeping that member here, in the audience. You do not consider anyone’s input.

    This is what I believe to be true about your childhood, the bit that you shared: “I did have a rough childhood. My mom wasn’t there… had to grow up alone.”

    What a child naturally does when alone is to imagine that there is someone there. I did that. I imagined someone was watching me. I was therefore… not alone.

    This natural reaction to being alone becomes a dominant pattern in the adult lives of some people. There is a term to such people among us, histrionics. People in the histrionic person’s life are there as an audience. Their stories don’t matter, they don’t matter.

    The histrionic does not experience his emotions except by proxy, that is, through the audience. His experience of an emotion is what he (or she) imagines that the audience feels.

    The histrionic is removed from his authentic feelings through such by proxy dynamic. He exaggerates a whole lot so to … make the audience feel strongly enough.

    The histrionic says what he says the way he does so to create emotions in the audience. His words, his expressions therefore are an honest expression of his person but are greatly exaggerated and his honestly is greatly compromised for the purpose of creating the desired affect.

    anita

    #210185
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * correction to the last paragraph, second line:

    His words, his expressions therefore are not an honest expression of his emotions but greatly exaggerated; his honesty greatly compromised for the purpose of creating a more intense affect in the audience.

    anita

    #210189
    John
    Participant

    huh.  Well i don’t know about all of that.  Needing an audience thing.  I guess if you weren’t there through the end of what i went through, then it may be hard to really see it.  There is no exaggeration of how i felt and feel.  To give you an example.  When we broke up, i did go into a deep depression.  I didn’t want to see or talk to anyone.  I wasn’t looking for an audience.  Yes i did get on match right away.  But I think that was more of a spiteful and bitterness thing.  Thought i’ll just find someone else…  Well that didn’t work out for me.  I seriously lost my head in a bad way.  My friends were worried about me.  They actually told my sister this last weekend that i’m just now starting to act normal again.  They were there for me, but i didn’t want to see any of them.  Or anyone for the longest time.

    It’s really hard to explain this.  maybe i’m using the wrong words.  I know that before i met her, i did date and was seeing women. I dated one for a couple months and another for about a month and a half(not at the same time) and was talking to a couple others.  None of them gave me the feelings she did.  Especially so fast.  After our first night together, I was hooked, i had feelings i never felt before.  I cancelled all my online dating accounts and told everyone I was talking to that I found someone.  And it was great.  There was hard parts, but it was great.  When she left it seriously really destroyed me.  It was bad enough that if i did not have my girls, i don’t know if i would be here now.  And i’m not exaggerating or being dramatic or looking for a response or attention.  At that time, that was the only way i could see myself being able to forget and not feel pain anymore.  That is the truth.  There were several times i thought about it.  That’s why i started  counseling and got on antidepressants.  For the first month after we broke up, my ex-wife had to keep the girls most of the time because i could barley function enough to take care of myself.  I seriously fell apart.  I didn’t do anything with anyone of my friends for the longest time after.  I had never felt like that before.  I’ve never experienced a “broken heart” like that.  I dated and tried to find a “replacement” off and on for a while.  I shouldn’t of, i should of just remained alone.  I think that made things worse.  I actually met one  person that had went through a similar situation with her ex-husband.  I shared everything with her and she helped me and  was there for me.  We dated for a month or two, Unfortunately i could not develop feelings for her like i hoped i could have.  She was willing to do anything for me.  She shared her experience with me and it was almost identical.  She told me she even attempted taking her life.  She was well over this when we met.  But everything i told her was like a repeat of what she went through.  Even the fact that her ex husband had a similar stomach surgery like my ex did, and the timeline that he just decided to end things was the same as my ex’s.  They both “changed” about the same time after the surgery.  About 6 months after the surgery.  Just when she had really lost a lot of weight and was starting to really feel better and look a lot better.  (I loved her and how she looked before the surgery BTW).  I did find out later that that is not an odd thing.  I looked into it and there are several cases of people after the stomach surgery they change there thinking or whatever.

    I really don’t know.  I do know i still hurt for her.  I still miss her.  Right now it feels like i always will.  Even last night, i was having flashback memories of us being together on my couch just watching tv and holding her hand.  Believe me , i don’t want this.  I want her to be flushed from my brain.  It would of been easier if she would of died.  I feel like the time i had with her was the greatest time of my life(except at the very end of coarse).  But even with that, i wish i would  of never met her.  It hurts too much too often.  I was getting past it, then we started talking again and all those feelings came rushing back.   It is hard to deal with.  That’s really how i feel.  I am going to try my hardest never to contact her again.  I know when ever i do and she responds it puts false hope in my heart.  I can’t handle that.  It has been a week now since we’ve texted.  I just hope that she doesn’t reach out to me after her man goes back to work in another state in a couple weeks.  I am weak.  I know that.  I used to not be, but i am now.

    #210195
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    It is not that you don’t experience emotions, you do. After all, you are human. You exaggerate the expressions of your emotions in front of an audience and you experience a thrill doing so.

    You focus on the affect you imagine that your expressions have on your audience, intending to maximize it. Your focus is not on what you feel underneath the thrill. Your focus while performing is the thrill itself.

    Because of this, you didn’t gain insight into yourself or into other people. What you state other people feel (your ex girlfriend, ex wife, children) is not trustworthy to me. Your understanding of yourself and of other people is very limited. This is why you, a soon to be grandfather, maybe in your fifties, sound like an immature,  young teenager, “It freaking sucks… OMG.. it sucks..”

    anita

     

    #210243
    Brandy
    Participant

    Thanks, anita! 🙂 That’s very nice of you to say to me. You are a quality person; that’s what I think of you.

    Hi John! I hope you are hearing what anita is saying, not simply skimming over her words quickly, seeing only some of them. What you are getting is amazing advice FOR FREE. You shared that you didn’t get much attention from your mom growing up, and it clearly comes across in your posts that as an adult you desperately need people to pay attention to you. The attention makes you feel better about yourself. What I think anita is telling you is that this deep need of yours makes sense given the way you grew up. Maybe this knowledge will help you to understand why it’s so hard for you to go a week without getting a text message from your ex. Maybe it’s because you cannot bear that she isn’t paying attention to you. But you need to figure out a way to bear it. Quality psychoanalysis will help you. I mean, think about it: Everyone gets rejected. It’s hard for us all. But it may be even harder for you because of your upbringing. If you don’t learn how to cope with this, it’s going to keep happening in future relationships. You don’t want that.

    Did you read what nextsteps wrote for you? She’s is a real person who understands your suffering because she’s experienced similar suffering, and she took time out of her day to share with you how she got through it:

    The thing is, over time, it gets easier. But you barely notice it as it happens slowly. One day you’l wake up and you will not think about her or think about her and smile without all the emotions attached as they are now. To get to that stage you need to push yourself to move forward. You may not feel like doing anything but staying at home thinking about her but you need to. You’ll probably feel rubbish whilst doing it but afterward you’ll be proud of yourself. It’s action that gets things moving forward, and that’s what you need.

    Now that’s what I call solid, practical advice! It’s action that gets things moving forward! If you are aware that you may have a personality thing that makes it even harder for you to cope with rejection, then you may need to work even harder to feel better again. What if there was a simple formula to it, a recipe to follow to help you feel better? You’d do it, right? Heck, I would! So go get the recipe! Talk to an expert! Also, I wish you would thank nextsteps and everyone else who gave you advice on this thread. I mean, how would you feel if you wrote to someone and she didn’t respond to what you had written? Hmm…I think I know the answer, so don’t do that to others.

    Many, many, maybe even most people have personality traits/tendencies/ issues, or whatever you want to call them, that complicate their lives; not just you. It’s too bad that some are never able to accurately identify what their issue is. What if anita, today in her above post,  helped you identify yours? I’d call that a lucky break.

    You’re a likeable guy, John. I hope that you’re able to briefly step outside of your agony over your ex to catch a glimpse of what may really be happening.

    B

    #210245
    John
    Participant

    Okay, i’m trying here.  I really am.  I’m trying to take all this in and use  your advice and accept everything you are saying.   It is very hard to not get defensive and understand this.

    If i seem immature.  maybe I am?  Some of the things i do say though, that’s just the way i talk.

    I am trying to push through it and move on with my life with other things and people.  It’s just hard.  I was building a life with her.  And then it was gone in what felt like overnight.  With her it may have been a couple months or more in the coming, but i was blind sighted.  Very hard to deal with.

    the whole rejection thing.  Well i don’t know if i have an issue with that or not.  According to you i do.  So maybe i do.  Maybe an ego thing?  I never did before her.  even when my ex-wife left. I didn’t act this way with her.

    Maybe I am co-dependat, although i was alone for 2 yrs before i met her, and when i dated before her i didn’t get like this.

    I really need some time to re-read all of this again.  This is tough.  i’m trying to get a grip on it all and deal with it and move on.  It is hard.  I know i keep saying that, but it is.  She just felt so right.  I can’t explain it.  I thought she was the one for me.  maybe that is a rejection thing.  I thought i had my life partner after  looking for so long and now she is gone.  and with someone else.

    I need some time to figure this out.

    #210261
    Brandy
    Participant

    Hi John,

    So you never shared until today that your ex had had gastric bypass surgery (is that right?), and soon after she lost a lot of weight, she left you. I think that’s an important part of the story. It now makes more sense to me. After the weight loss, she was probably getting attention from more guys than before. She even told you that during the wedding weekend in Vegas a guy asked her to go back to his room with her and “make some bad decisions”. (Why she would even share that with you at all I don’t know, but maybe it’s because she was flattered by it and had to share it with others, even her boyfriend?) So, anyway, she starts pulling away from you until she finally breaks it off completely — boom — it’s over! And you blame yourself, even after discovering that this sort of behavior is somewhat common for people who lose a lot of weight after this particular surgery. When you ask for clarity, she tells you that you changed. What?? SHE changed! What you were doing was trying to prevent the inevitable from happening. I know, I know, you behaved in ways you wish you hadn’t, but I think it wouldn’t have mattered. She was moving on.

    So the issue now is how to deal with brutal rejection by the woman of your dreams, the one you saw your future with. You shared that had it not been for your kids you may have taken your own life. The situation is devastating and would be for anyone, but maybe there is something about your past that makes this situation simply unbearable for you. You say you didn’t feel this way when your ex-wife left; well, it sounds like you were the one rejecting her; she wanted more of you and you wanted independence. And you didn’t have strong enough feelings for the other ladies you’ve dated, so again it was you rejected them. But your once-in-a-lifetime love has rejected you and it’s killin’ you. You were getting past this whole thing before deciding to contact her. How were you able to make progress back then? Can you remember?

    B

    #210325
    John
    Participant

    “She even told you that during the wedding weekend in Vegas a guy asked her to go back to his room with her and “make some bad decisions”. (Why she would even share that with you at all I don’t know, but maybe it’s because she was flattered by it and had to share it with others, even her boyfriend?)”

    You know i never thought about this before, but she has always been a jealous type.  If it would of been reversed and i told her that.  she would of flipped out.  In fact our last night together we were at a halloween party.  She was dancing with a friend.  I went outside and bought a smoke off of some lady outside.  I was out there just smoking and taking(being polite) I even told that lady i was here with my GF.  She came out side looking for me and lost her cool because i was having a conversation with some other woman.  Even though she new i would never do anything or have thoughts of this.  Come to think of it.   After her vegas weekend i was with her and I was talking to our receptionist at work.  She was listening to the conversation and said something about me flirting or being a flirt.  I can’t remember.  But I wasn’t…

    I really don’t know or never will what happened to change all of this.  I honestly think something did happen that weekend.  She may have not cheated, but she may have messed around or flirted.  And after that felt guilty and i was the fall out.  Because that is when everything changed.  I know if it would of been me going away for a weekend like that and then coming back and acting the way she did.  She would of automatically assumed the worst.

    Dang, okay how bout this.  I just remembered.  Before that weekend we had talked about things all the time.  One of them was that neither of us would ever cheat on each other.  We both have been cheated on before and would never do that.  After that weekend she had told me “IF” i ever cheated on you I would break up with you.  Why would it change from never to “IF” and that was the same weekend she told me about that guy.

    It is pretty funny(not haha) how before that weekend, she was excited about when we get to live together and have a real life together, then after that weekend, cold fish.  and even mean.

    I do have to quit blaming myself.  I know i made plenty of mistakes, but i was there trying to figure out what was happening and wanted to correct them.  She was the one that did not communicate with me like she should of.  She was the one that kept telling me everything was “fine” when it wasn’t.  She was the one that didn’t want to be completely honest with me about how she was feeling either.  It was both of us, but for me.  I was so on edge, I was afraid to do or say  anything else to lose her, where all she had to do was one of the times I asked her if it was ok.  Tell me we need to talk and sit down with me and tell me that she was seeing things in me that we’re turning her away.  Things that i could of easily worked on or fixed if i would of known.  Things that I fix about myself now.  I don’t want to ever be that guy that i “changed” into.

     

    Yes, she was the woman of my dreams.  She is beautiful, successful, funny, loves a lot of the same things I do, Sexy, loves being a mother and great with my girls.  She was nothing I ever expected I would end up with.  I know i’ve always had a low self esteem.(probably from my upbringing).  And to have someone like that love me?  I was taken back.  I didn’t know how to behave and I guess maybe that is the hard thing.  Losing that and the rejection.  Feeling like i will never get a woman like that again.

    So Yesterday was a tough one for me.  I did think about her pretty much all day.  But today is a new one.  I’m trying to forget.  I know it will take a long time.  But i am.

    #210333
    nextsteps
    Participant

    Hello John,

     

    The latter half of your post about today being a new day sounds promising and more positive.

     

    You are never going to know why your girlfriend left you. You are trying to figure out the story with half of the information e.g. your half. This may feel like this 100% matters. That things would be different if you knew WHY. That way you could make sense of it. The thing is even if you knew WHY (which you are never going to know) then the fact would still be the same. E.g the person you loved over all others has left you and got with someone else. This may sound harsh but this happens all the time. It is very very rare to find someone that loves us back in the same way as we love them. This means instead of being alone you join the ranks of people that have felt the exact same way as you.

    With the facts being as they are, there is no use to continue to question WHY and think of ways you could of done differently.  As brandy says, she was already moving on, no matter what you did or did not do. You can choose to continue to question WHY but that just leads to continued sadness and despair and believe me, you will think about her enough in the coming months as it is.

    So to stop the questionining yourself WHY it happened and to actively move on you need to think of perhaps the qualities you would like to have e.g. you said you didn’t think someone like her could fall in love with someone like you… well what kind of person would ‘people like her’ fall in love with? E.g what qualities do they Have? Do they work out and take care of themselves, are they a good listener, are they kind and compassionate etc.  And then do actions to be more like that. The idea is not to change yourself to someone else or think if you do X, y y and z she will come back to you, it’s to show you that you can be a better person and you can grow because of this. The man you felt like she made you, you can still be ithout her- she just pointed you in that direction. This is hard work and it takes time but I promise you you will get there.

     

    Another idea to try and stop thinking about her is to keep busy being active e.g. volunteer at a pet shelter or similar so you are physically tired and mentally engaged all day. This will stop the thoughts. It will be hard to feel the same way about a girl as you felt about your ex girlfriend. This is because, I  my opinion, people that get you like you describe and share that kind of love don’t come along very often  at all in a lifetime. It’ not just you that this has happened too, lots of people have thought they found their ‘soulmate’ only for it not to work out. And that’s okay. I would see it as a lesson. E.g from knowing your ex how has that changed you? And, how will the break up change you going forward? What good are you going to so as a result?

     

    Life will go on whether you want it to or not. I 100% understand you find it hard to think of her with someone else and moving on, but the facts are the facts. It’ harsh and horrible I know but if you were meant to be you will be. If not then it’s an important lesson. Please try and keep the faith and keep your head up. Something will come up for you but for it to happen you need to be looking to the future rather than lamenting the past. It’s hard I know. Believe me I have been there (as I imagine many other tiny bhudda posters) but you will get through this. It will hurt. It will be painful and you will cry. But you will get through in the end.

    If you don’t feel capable of being in a relationship currently then don’t. It’s not fair on her or you as you feel guilty about not feeling the same way.

     

    Please take good care of yourself. And chin up

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