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  • #460726
    Nea
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    Thank you so much for your kind message and support. I really appreciate it.

    And yes, exactly — this living arrangement wasn’t something we had originally planned, and a lot of how things unfolded was very different from what we had been led to expect. Had we known how things would end up, we definitely would have made different decisions.

    I’m really grateful that my mom has been supportive with the baby and helping with baby-related things, and that my husband and sister have been very supportive of me personally through everything.

    And you’re right — I really do need to keep bringing my focus back to what actually matters right now: our little family, enjoying this special time with our baby girl, and protecting that peace as much as I can!

    Nea

    #460732
    anita
    Participant

    Good late Sunday evening, Nea:

    I find myself with a two questions this evening, but please, feel free to not answer. I’d like to keep talking with you whether you answers these, or not.

    1) You said in your most recent post today, and in your original post, that you and your husband were “led to believe” certain things that didn’t materialize.

    Do you mean that your father intentionally misrepresented things in regard to you choosing to rent your place out, and in regard to your husband job opportunity?

    2) The other family member who said: ‘If your husband truly cared about you…’ didn’t say ‘if your father…’

    Has he or she been a direct or indirect recipient of your father’s “generosity”?

    🤔 Anita

    #460734
    Nea
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Hope you had a good day. 😊

    Thank you for your questions, happy to answer them.

    1. I don’t think they were intentions misrepresented but I think there was more work that needed to happen before anything could materialize which we were not fully aware of. We were led to believe in the next few months things would materialize but then certainly with economy changes etc things took a hit. I understand some of it was not in my fathers control but instead of having a truthful conversation he made it seem as if due to my husband’s lack of capacity in work ethics etc things didn’t happen. I know this is not true it was simply because my dad did not have the funds he thought he would to help execute those plans. Instead of being accountable, he shifted blame and then just brushed it all under the rug and left us without any answers.

    2. This is an interesting question…they are a direct receipt. I never thought of it this way.

    Look forward to your reply.

    Nea

    #460737
    anita
    Participant

    Hey 🙂 Nea, so good reading back from you only.. 4 minutes ago.

    So, your father over-promised and presented himself as Authority the two of you better Obey, for your benefit? As in, ask me no- questions, just follow?

    And after the 2 of U followed him.. nowhere, he blamed your husband.

    About the family member being a direct recepient- well.. the phrase “Money talks” comes to mind 😔

    Anita

    #460742
    Nea
    Participant

    Hi Anita!

    Yes, I guess this is exactly how it went. We followed and believed although I had my doubts and raised them many times, and was sometimes reassured but mostly silenced by yelling…and even after asking my dad are you sure? Especially because it involved my husband and he would repeatedly say yes of course. And then ironically, blamed it all on us and mostly my husband when things didn’t work out…..

    You’re right if you put it that way, money talks. If I see it that way then I can understand that my husband not apologizing has nothing to do with his love for me…

    Nea

    #460743
    anita
    Participant

    Nea, I’m still smiling 🙂 that I’m replying only eight minutes after your message.

    When you wrote that your husband was “sometimes reassured but mostly silenced by yelling,” that really stood out. Yelling isn’t just loud talking — it’s a dominance tactic. It shuts down questions, stops discussion, overrides doubt, forces compliance, and intimidates. Your father wasn’t simply overconfident; he was controlling the situation through intimidation.

    When someone raises reasonable doubts and is met with yelling instead of a real conversation, it becomes impossible to think clearly or make a free choice. Yelling doesn’t reassure — it silences. And it makes sense that both you and your husband ended up following his lead even when you weren’t fully comfortable.

    You’re seeing this dynamic with a lot of clarity, Nea. I’m here with you as you keep untangling it.

    Anita

    #460745
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Nea

    You’re too kind! 😊

    For sure, protecting your peace is really important because newborn care is hard work. 🩵

    How are you finding being a mother? How is baby Maya settling in? 🩵

    #460768
    Nea
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I hope you had a good day!

    Yesterday got away from me, time flies with the little one in the best way possible. 😊

    I really appreciate the way you explained that distinction between reassurance and silencing. Looking back, I can see that there were times when reasonable concerns or questions were essentially shut down by yelling, and eventually it became easier to comply than continue questioning things.

    I think another layer now is that my husband is upset with my mom too because of the comments she made. His attitude toward her has definitely changed since finding out. He’s still polite and respectful and has said he’ll remain that way, but he’s much more guarded and doesn’t want the same level of closeness right now.

    That’s been sad for me to see because they did have a good relationship before. I understand why he’s hurt, though, especially because he feels like some things he thought were genuine support or family closeness are now being viewed differently. I also told him that my relationship with my mom is very important to me, and he understands that. He just feels he needs some distance for now.

    I actually warned my mom beforehand to be careful about what she said because I really wanted to preserve the relationship she still had with my husband, but unfortunately that didn’t really happen. So now he has told me that he will continue to be civil and respectful toward her, but he needs more of a boundary and doesn’t feel comfortable being as close or open as he was before.

    My husband is generally someone who is very selective about who he fully opens himself up to. Even with some members of his own family, including his sibling, he keeps a certain amount of distance. For him, his core family unit is very much me and now our daughter. So I think when he genuinely lets someone into that inner circle and then feels hurt or betrayed, it affects him quite deeply. Middle ground can also be difficult for him — he can sometimes go from feeling very close to needing significant distance once trust has been damaged.

    I’m trying to understand all of that without feeling responsible for repairing every relationship myself. I think that’s probably the biggest challenge for me right now — accepting that I can love everyone involved and wish things were different, but I can’t keep forcing closeness or peace when the other people involved have their own feelings and boundaries.

    Nea

    #460770
    Nea
    Participant

    Hi Alessa!

    Thanks so much for checking in. It’s honestly been so amazing. Being a first-time mom still feels so surreal — I have moments where I’m just like, I can’t believe she’s actually here! 🥹 She’s so precious and truly my whole world already. Even seeing how much she’s grown and changed just over these last few days has been amazing.

    She’s settling in really well too! We’re still trying to figure out our little nighttime routine because she definitely loves waking up frequently at night, while also loving her long afternoon naps 😂 But nonetheless, it’s been the most beautiful experience so far. 💞

    How are things with you? I remember you mentioned you were sick with the flu as well — how are you feeling now? I hope you’re doing much better!

    Nea

    #460771
    anita
    Participant

    Good Tuesday late morning, Nea 🙂

    “Eventually, it became easier to comply than to keep questioning things”-

    Your father (and please let me know if I’m wrong), like my mother, and like just one other person I know, is unable and unwilling to be questioned or confronted at all. I mean, not ever, not a tiny bit, no matter how gently.

    I don’t like to be questioned or confronted myself. It’s unpleasant because it scratches my deep shame- wound from long ago.

    But I’m able to endure the unpleasantness, that touch of old shame, because I want to do right by others- to help others, or at least, to not harm other people.

    But for some people, their deep shame wound is still so raw, or the memory of it is so alive, that their first priority is to silence and punish anyone who asks them to look within.

    And there’s nothing you can do to change that. Neither one (your father, my mother..) is going to pay a therapist for the ‘pleasure’ of looking within, which means, to feel that deep shame within, and correct their behaviors.

    You mentioned that your father and husband were “genuinely close” in the beginning. I believe that the genuine closeness- on your father’s side- depended on a 100% do-as-I-say compliance on the part of your husband

    Fast forward, that heavenly bubble of genuine closeness between them is gone and restoring it is impossible, says I- because in your father’s mind, your husband is guilty and the only thing that can be restored is compliance, not closeness.

    You mentioned your mother making comments that had hurt your husband. Is she trying to avoid your father’s anger by joining him against your husband?

    🤔 Anita

    #460772
    anita
    Participant

    The reason I mentioned knowing only 3 people with this extreme unwillingness to look within (1- my mother, through personal irl experience, 2- your father, through no personal experience irl or online, based only on your honest and articulate 9- pages sharing, and 3- another person with whom I communicated online only, all three are older- late 50s to 80s)-

    Is to point out how rare and extreme this level of emotional- mental rigidity really is. I am not a mental health professional, but it’s on the level of a personality disorder, nothing you can change or negotiate with.

    Anita

    #460773
    anita
    Participant

    One more thing Nea 🙂- everything I shared right above is just my understanding based on what you described in 9 pages. Please take only what feels true to you and leave anything that doesn’t fit. You’re seeing these dynamics with a lot of clarity, and I trust your ability to make your own conclusions about your family and what feels right for you. 🌿

    #460782
    Nea
    Participant

    Good morning Anita!

    Thank you for sharing all of that.

    It’s really interesting what you brought up about how some people can be so unwilling to look within or tolerate being questioned at all. I think that is something I have to keep in mind with my dad. A lot of what he seems to stand on is, “I’m older, I’ve done these things financially, I’ve provided, so how dare you question me?” And I think that’s where the problem is. Being older or having done a lot for your family doesn’t mean that everything you say or do is automatically okay, or that nobody is allowed to challenge you.

    With my mom, I do think there is some truth to what you said as well. My dad somehow has a way of presenting situations so strongly from his own perspective that the other person starts looking like the bad one. I’ve seen my mom get pulled into that. Instead of looking at a situation independently and judging what actually happened, she can start absorbing his interpretation of it, and then suddenly everything the other person did is viewed negatively too. I don’t necessarily think she starts there, but she can get talked into seeing things through his lens.

    At this point, though, I think my biggest focus needs to be separating myself emotionally from all of this and putting my energy into my own little family unit. I’ve spent so much time trying to understand why he behaves the way he does, why my mom reacts the way she does, what could have been different, what everything means, etc.

    And I think I’m realizing that understanding something can be useful, but there eventually comes a point where you have to ask: how much more can I actually do with that understanding? I can understand the dynamic more clearly, but I can’t make another person reflect, change, apologize, or see things differently. So maybe the next part for me is less about figuring them out and more about deciding how I want to live around what I already know.

    And of course, I completely understand that everything you’re sharing is simply your perspective and advice based on the information and experiences I’ve shared with you here. I really do appreciate the amount of time, thought, and effort you’ve put into reading everything I’ve written and responding so thoughtfully. It has helped me look at things from different angles.

    How has your week been going, Anita? 🙂

    Nea

    #460783
    anita
    Participant

    Good Thursday afternoon, Nea:

    “So maybe the next part for me is less about figuring them out and more about deciding how I want to live around what I already know.”- I respect where you’re at with this, and so, I will let go of analyzing parents here, in your thread 🙂

    I would love to read, if you’re willing to share along the way, how you’re living around what you already know.

    Communicating with you helped me understand things better about my own life, so thank you 🤍🙏

    Currently, I have 2 beagles napping on my lap as I’m typing this message. In the background I hear far away traffic and the sound of leaves moving with the wind. Fall had just started here a few days ago. I feel a bit sad today, missing irl human socialization.

    🍁🍂 🍃 Anita

    #460784
    Roberta
    Participant

    Hi Nea
    I was just wondering, do you have a naming ceremony for your your children where you are?

    My grandson was christened Catholic, but his mum had felt disenchanted by the time her 2nd child was born, so there was no ceremony.
    What made you & your husband choose the name Maya it really is a lovely name.

    Love is such an amazing gift both to the giver & receiver, you & your husband are truly blessed.
    Roberta

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