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ConfusedParticipantIdk if it helps but im trying to find the correct order, did the anhedonia come first and then fear of losing her or “future plans talk” > fear > dissociation > anhedonia?
I dont remember feeling scared, i was feeling empty/unsatisfied/no mood..but as soon as i realized that even talking to her didn’t lift my mood i instantly panicked and started obsessing over “where did my feelings go”..
Yeah, that’s what she said (not directly because she’s shy & afraid too), but i think she does.. She’s a gem 🙁
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Hmm, so too much emotion can cause dissociation? Actually it might have went like this: Waking up with anhedonia, feeling scared because “where did my feelings go”
I will hurt her
She will leave me
Where are my feelings?!?!
-DissociationCould this be the reason? I saw a video about emotional numbness and dissociation which describe my situation perfectly.
Damn, today has been pretty flat-apathy day. At night i read her amazing heartfelt letter about her feelings towards me again and i could only cry a little bit, not like the last time 🙁
What karma am i suffering to have such a wonderful person love me this much (and is all i could ask for) and i can’t feel anything? 🙁
ConfusedParticipantI know i just assumed u learned many things about that place haha (that is the trap 😉 )
Yeah same sadly..
Haha thank you for your kind words anita 🙂
Btw, i think we’ve talked about it again, but what are the symptoms of dissociation? Do u think i got it in November?
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Oh interesting! What were the results? Asking for a friend haha
I am too much of a chicken i guess 🙁
ConfusedParticipantHaha i dont think they even perform it nowadays.
Oh no i didnt say she’s licensed, she’s just someone who recovered and helps people for the past 20 years i think. She’s experienced.
I think meds just mask the effects if they are extreme, but for me, i dont know if they are extreme. I wouldn’t say that, because sometimes i can handle the thoughts and not pay attention to them. Also i didn’t like the side effects, which could go away in a month but still.
ConfusedParticipantHaha we dont know for sure until we try
Yeah that’s what she said, she will look for tickets in 3 days for May, but i get so anxious 🙁
Coincidentally, therapist today asked me about the SSRIs i was taking (tepram) and i told her i only used them for 9-10 days and i stopped, but she said i have to use them for at least 1.5 months to see any difference and if i wanna try again i should ask a doctor. But then a video of Ali Greymond (check her out on YT, she’s OCD specialist) popped up about SSRIs and she said that it rarely helps people, maybe a bit to do ERP but other than that, nothing. I dont really wanna take meds but idk, im conflicted..But my therapist said i should really try and seperate my thoughts and focus on the experience (like Copilot AI said), but its really tough.
Today we’re texting and sending each other some funny reels with the context of jealousy and stuff and i laugh a lot, i love how she plays jealous and her reactions is exactly what i want in my girlfriend, how we tease each other, it’s wonderful. But then something lurks in the back of my mind, the thought of not wanting her, and then i can’t enjoy her 🙁
ConfusedParticipantInstead maybe we should lobotomize me and i find peace 🙂
I try to be good and fair and not hurt people because i dont like doing what i dont wanna be done to me, this is a rule i go by. She is great yeah, very giving and loving 🙂
She said she’s gonna visit in May probably (which gets my anxiety and flight mode going haha)What drug? The SSRI? I am gonna ask the therapist tomorrow on her opinion about brain chemistry.
Her replies were a bit colder/less affectionate (which was a result from her not having much time to text me and being tired from a long day) and my mind instantly felt rejection yeah.
I guess it’s a protection mechanism yeah.. How can we get rid of those?
Well, the night owl goes to sleep hopefully, will post tomorrow night, have a good one anita 🙂
ConfusedParticipantAlso, today my themes were: “where is this relationship going?, what’s the ultimate plan/goal? Do our lives align? I am more of a live day-to-day kinda guy, she’s more of a plan-based woman, so that means we’re not compatible and i should leave” 🙂
I think im starting to see those things as attempts to sabotage connection, or i could be wrong i dont know.. Because before november, i would not pay much attention to those things, i just wanted to create experiences together and enjoy our time.
ConfusedParticipantYes its kinda like that, i was living a flat life and she gave me something to be excited and happy about 🙁
What is hard though, is the emotional amnesia that this thing caused me. When i think back on any relationship/feelings that i’ve had, it’s like a different person experienced those, like im wondering “how did i feel like that??”. I do know consciously that it happened and i experienced it but other than that, nothing, which is very weird.
Hmm, what does it mean by “what am i doing right now” ? Maybe it’s what im already doing sometimes? Trying to tend to her more and actively listen? Sometimes that works.. I dont wanna tell her any more things about my fcked up brain, it just puts weight on her and baggage i think.You know what’s funny? My mind goes: “no matter that i don’t feel joy/motivation in ANY part of my life and i’m down in general, let’s blame HER and make her a villain to get away from” haha
Also, today i was feeling very indifferent towards her and while texting, she seemed less affectionate, more cold/distant (she was cooking and was very tired), but my brain took it for rejection and “she’s gonna leave us”, so my ears and my head started heating up and i was getting vigilant/alert. Also, she posted a story with her friends and my mind instantly created this sequence: “Her friends will repost, their followers will see her profile (the repost source), they will send her a follow request and they’ll hit on her. Which is totally wrong and without any basis lol. I hate how my mind works
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
I’ve read both your posts and i wanna thank you for taking the time to write all these, they seem helpful 🙂
It’s so many things that the AI says that could be true and are spot on. I also found the part about the fear and honeymoon phase interesting. I will definitely read them again but i wanna say about the summary: Its hard not to do that, it’s almost like an automated response lol. It’s like im thirsty, waiting with my mouth open underneath the faucet for water (feelings) and whenever the pipe fills a little bit, i open the faucet and empty the drops haha.
How does one experience the relationship instead of analyzing it?Yeah i think it’s a coping mechanism, dampening the feelings and become distant/disconnected. That’s what Paulien Timmer said in one of her videos, “u cant turn off the negatives without turning the positives off too”.
But i am all about loud emotions 🙁
Well if we exclude my own catastrophizing (random scenarios in my head for no reason) and our misunderstanding which was because of me again, things were pretty smooth for like 7 months.. (oh i wish i could go back to that :()
But then of course my mind had to take things the wrong way and ruin it..I will read again and add things if i have to in new posts, thank you 🙂
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Hmm, i think she was mostly asking out of curiosity and feel some “safety”/control.
Well, my plans was to first meet and spend time together/live together somewhere for a while and then see how things turn out, i couldn’t “promise” her something before even having met, i think that threw me off a little. (also me not telling her that)
Yes i think that at times my feelings come strong but for short bursts and then it’s like a complete 180, which weirds me out.. (yesterday i saw her cute little cards that she sent me for my birthday and i started crying again, idk why). Also today we were talking and it was fun..near the goodnight texts, i felt warmth and i caught myself checking her message again and again and smiling like in the early days 🙂 What i’m lacking is the “ambition”/motive for the future, i think that’s what makes me insecure and not able to fully allow myself.. This or anhedonia.
You are right and i’m aware of that, im trying to change it and also trying to question a lot of my “core beliefs” around this subject (and some other things in life in general). I also catch myself monitoring my feelings constantly, which is something the therapist told me to try and stop gradually because it leads to spirals. For example when i feel good about something with her my mind instantly goes “hey, u felt good, why? what does that mean?” and it starts..
Another thing i realized is that before her, my life was pretty flat and i was finding almost no joy in anything, like a functioning depression/anhedonia of some sorts, i would get up, go to work, hit the gym, meet with friends, some motorcycle riding here and there and that’s all, nothing excited me or gave me purpose, until i started falling for her. It was like my life was full of beauty and colours again, everything boosted, my mood, work, gym, purpose, everything. I would go for rides just to record and upload videos for her to see and that would make me so happy and excited. So after reading @ the other forum (which the therapist told me to stop eventually) i saw posts with people sharing some similar stories, about how the “honeymoon phase” of love was the only thing to penetrate their anhedonia and make it disappear so they would enjoy life again for a while, but then it would subside and confuse them. I wonder if all those connect with attachment styles with in my case or what
ConfusedParticipantI think i wasnt ready and i hadnt processed that at this point yeah.
I understand what u’re saying, how i might have perceived her as a threat and such and i also agree that moving somewhere new is scary, but it was just a convo for the future, thats why i said “mistakenly”, it was something far from the present..
Hmm so anxiety made me numb and then depressed? Its sad because i cant feel any romantic excitement at the moment..not for her (well for her sometimes for brief moments), not for any of my exes when i try to think back (i mean the memory of the feelings) and not for any new girl. It’s like complete apathy..
Yeah she’s gonna be for the whole year. I think its supposed to be 2027 early but she said she would consider moving to me as well.
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Even tho scenarios dont benefit me, i still make them..
I know i should be prioritizing myself as #1 but at this point i cannot understand what’s good for me and why, or how it feels like, it’s very weird.
It was more like this order “i hurt her (which i would hate to do since she’s lovely and doesn’t deserve it) and then she leaves me”, so it’s kinda both, not something more than the other.
So, the scenario i made today is a classic actually: What if i wasn’t ready for the future talk (the moving to another country part) and i got mistakenly “scared” when she brought it up so my mind started seeing her as a “burden” or a “threat”, rather than the loving woman that she was (and still is) to me? It was just a convo but i did feel like she rushed things a bit there, but if that’s the case, how can i “undo” that? Or was it just anhedonia/depression and my mind looks for a scapegoat?
ConfusedParticipantHmm, even though that talk about the future and her responses did throw me off a little bit, it didn’t seem like a really big deal (even tho in my mind she looked like she’s sabotaging, which she wasn’t) because i still had the plan of “meeting first and see how it goes later”.
It might have been something like this: I woke up depressed/anhedonic/burnt out or something along the lines. I couldnt tell her because i was thinking she would be hurt and leave me, so my mind went to freeze mode/avoidance for protection? This is a scenario i’ve thought too but idk if it actually benefits me to make scenarios.
ConfusedParticipantHey anita
Haha dont worry i wouldnt leave without telling u 🙂
Hmm, it started when i woke up feeling like shit (10-11 november) and especially in the 12th when i felt the repulsion, from then on i started feeling guilty for hurting her/leading her on and responsible, the connection suddenly felt like a “burden” in my mind, rather than enjoyment and i cannot understand why 🙁
I like emojis too (it’s also our “inside game” with the girl 🙂 ) so dont worry i dont judge anything haha
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