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PeterParticipant
Hi Plotinus
Thanks for responding. Its always helpful to hear different perspectives.
Red pill or blue pill? It is said once a question is asked it cannot be unasked so in this case asking the question may be answering it – the red pill has been chosen. ? Cypher wishes to un-ask the question and in deceiving himself is killed so we must be authentic in the quest. As you say we must follow our path, or perhaps more correct to say enter ‘into’ the flow of our path as laid out and that we attempt to shape.
Have you read ‘After Zen’ by Janwillem van de Wetering?
Janwillem was seeking the answer to the question of purpose and meaning and hoping to find it in a monastery. He found it but didn’t find it… (which may be a very Zen state of being). The other issue I noticed in his quest, which may have been just me reading between the lines, is the struggle between the tension of action and being. Gaining a moral detachment to life as it is while staying engaged in Life as it is. For me detachment often leads to indifference, the loss of motivation to act. Which if I’m being honest with myself is part of the appeal of being a monk – as I image a monk life would be… not having to concern myself with ‘paying the bills’ or worry about the other mundane stuff of life. Thus for me the option of being a monk would be wrong.
I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the issue of moral detachment and action.
February 16, 2018 at 6:28 pm in reply to: 7 years have passed by, and i just can't forget my ex! #192895PeterParticipantHi ZC
W.O.R.M Write One Read Many is a software term for writing code that is run over and over again. Your consciousness has become fixated on the WORM of the imagined future that cannot be and so you suffer. If only, could of, should of… you replay the memories in the hopes of changing the past… feeding the WORM and allowing it to embed itself deeper and deeper.
I do not mean to be harsh. However as you know (but do not know) the issue is not about your ex and to stop the pain what is required is to stop feeding the WORM. (When you do kill the WORM and look back on how you did it, that is exactly what you will have done, you will have gotten to the point where you just stop. Maybe that takes years of therapy or maybe you just decide to do it).
It is possible one of the reasons that you don’t stop is that a part of you gets of payoff in dwelling on the past. The payoff of staying stuck could be the comfort of certainty experienced by not changing and moving on. Staying stuck, out weighing the payoff of stopping and entering into a future that is uncertain.
You mention Karma. Karma as I understand is about ones action and cause and effect. Our actions create what we experience as well as what we a capable of seeing, the choices we are capable of making. Using the idea of reincarnation as a metaphor (each breathe is a death and a rebirth) we have the possibility to change to a higher or lower level with each breath we take . Our karma influences which door we might go through during the transition between death and rebirth. A karma based on fear may view the door to the higher level as the more difficult and uncertain path and door to the lower level of consciousnesses easier, less scary. We tend in each breath to chose the same level door however the opportunity to choose the higher level of consciousness is always present.
Again sorry if the above comes off as being harsh.
PeterParticipantAm I correct in saying that you have a pretty good understanding as to the source of much of your anxiety. Comparing yourself with others and being obsessed with grades? And that so far work with your therapist has not help you with finding ways to stop that unhelpful behavior…I assume you recognize that behavior as being unhelpful but for unknown reasons can’t stop yourself?
When we know a behavior isn’t working for us but continue anyway its likely that there is an unconscious payoff. Something you want more then wanting to end the anxiety the behavior creates. If that is true the next step would be to work with your therapist and identify what the payoff is and then deal with the source of the issue behind your need to compare yourself with others and obsess over grades.
In the mean time you can try the practice mindfulness – when you notice you are comparing yourself with others. Stop, create some space to breathe, notice the anxiety without judging it. Remind yourself that comparing yourself against others is not helpful and direct your thoughts else where.
PeterParticipantI have often contemplated the life of a hermit or monk of just some tropical island somewhere… however for me the imaginings are based on a romanticising and so would likely find the reality disappointing.
Just came across a Brad Warner blog on hardcore Zen
He was asked a question from someone who felt day job was getting in his way suggesting that – “shouldn’t we run away from this mundane work-a-day life into the beautiful romantic world of being a peaceful monk in a dreamy temple in the far-off mountains?” to which Brads answer. “If you cannot find the truth of your life right here, you will not find it anywhere else. There is no anywhere else.”
At first glace the answer might appear harsh however there is also a door to a realization that you can get where you want to go from just where you are. This does not mean not setting intentions or paying attention to our callings but a letting go of this clinging to how we imaged our path must look. The difference is in entering the flow of life, as it is, verses fighting the flow
PeterParticipantHi Plotinus
My conclusion is that all honest philosophical inquire ends in the absurd. A good thing as once the question is answered one can move from thinking about life, which is often the attempt of the ego trying to control what can’t be controlled to living it.
I believe Plotinus quote “All events are coordinated. All things depend on each other. Everything breathes together” is an acknowledgement as Life as it is. That each moment of life, each breath of life involves both death and rebirth. Each single moment made of a infinite number of breaths, each dependent in mostly unknown ways on each other, flowing together in each moment. The past, present and future existing only in the moment. It is an illusion of consciousness that sees life as linear experience.
“Self-knowledge reveals to the soul that its natural motion is not, if uninterrupted, in a straight line, but circular, as around some inner object, about a center, the point to which it owes its origin.” ― Plotinus
Nothing you have learned is wasted. Everything you have learned has brought you to this breath in this moment, just where you need to be to take your next. Regret, if only, should have… stories can only distort the breath
“We must close our eyes and invoke a new manner of seeing, a wakefulness that is the birthright of us all, though few put it to use.” ― Plotinus,
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PeterParticipantHow do you practice letting go? My advice… by approaching ‘letting go’ as a practice something you intentionally work on when you notice a opportunity. When you succeed be grateful and when you struggle and takes you longer then you might like, that’s good to, its practice. The intention of practice is to learn better and when you lean better add the new skill to the practice. Build up mussel and muscle memory as it were.
When you notice (mindful) that you are focused on thoughts/stories/memories about issues you cannot change and or that ‘project’ you into that past and or imagined future, and or fear. You intentionally create space to take a breath and acknowledge, without judging yourself, that you are directing your consciousness on on a story/thought/memory/fear that is keeping you from being in the moment. (you take responsibility without any judgment that might trigger negative self talk)
If you notice negative self talk take another breath and give yourself permission to set the internal dialog aside so that you might identify the issue that lies behind them as an observer. As a Observer you will likely notice that in most cases you have already dealt with the issue that your attention is directed on.
For example, the worry about getting old and not being able to do the things you hope for. In the space you created recognized that you have taken steps to exercise and eat healthy (and if not that you will). Notice there is nothing more you can do in the moment so you can let the story/thought/memory/fear go and direct your attention on more helpful thoughts… or no thoughts…
With practice “letting go” of unskillful/unhelpful thoughts will become second nature. You may still be bothered by moments of worry and such but you won’t let them take hold of you. You will become the master of your story instead of letting the ‘stories’ master you.
PeterParticipant“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality. -Seneca
Hi Kittycat100
I know it well. Experiencing the suffering of an imagined tomorrow… today. Why waist an opportunity to suffer today for a future opportunity that might not happen… I had to ask myself… did I like suffering? I know that sounds wack but why else would I be allowing myself to miss out on the present moment in order to worry and suffer about an imagined future. I must want to suffer… and at some level that was/is actually true. Lord knows I am good at creating the opportunities.
Anyway, I found taking the time to examine the stories I tell myself for cognitive distortions helpful. I also acknowledge that I’m a defensive pessimist. Meaning that when presented with a problem I tend to focus on what could go wrong so that I can take steps to prepare and prevent it. Once I have a plan the worry subsides. (I should note being a defensive pessimist is not a negative or positive attribute its just a way of avoiding stress when solving problems. You don’t want a strategic optimist building your house though you might want them to help you sell it.)
The purpose of worry is to identity outcomes you would prefer not to happen so that you can then work to avoid. The problem is that its is our nature is to lock our eyes onto our fear. We can’t look away and then tend to hit what were “looking” at. In the practice of mindfulness, we learn how to acknowledge our fears without locking our attention onto them. Instead we use the information that our fear shows us we are concerned about and focus on where it is we want to go. Once the issues are identified there is no longer a need to focus on the worry… unless one likes to suffer.
“In racing, they say that your car goes where your eyes go. The driver who cannot tear his eyes away from the wall as he spins out of control will meet that wall; the driver who looks down the track as he feels his tires break free will regain control of his vehicle.” – Garth Stein – Racing in the Rain
How do you live for now? We work for that which no work is required.
PeterParticipantWhen you experience rejection you suffer, when you avoid rejection you suffer. Either way you are choosing to suffer. When we attache our ego to our experiences we suffer… ‘You’ are not your experiences
PeterParticipantHi srk
Addition can be a tough nut to crack. Just recognizing the issue as a problem you want to deal with is a good first step. Well done
“Taking responsibility for your beliefs and judgments gives you the power to change them.” ~Byron Katie
The following is about alcoholism however I suspect the suggestions apply to all addictions.
Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction
PeterParticipantIt is affecting me worse as I’m aging. Not better
Hi Shawn
When I was young I moved 5 times in 12 years and today I’m terrified about the prospect of having to move. I wonder how my young self ever managed to handle all the uncertainty and where that person is now. What changed? A loss of innocence? Sure. More experience/memories of how things can go wrong, Yes. Perhaps there is another way to look at it. If History is the best predictor of the future. Whatever was faced was handled even the stuff I didn’t see coming or prepared for… nothing has changed…
In the morning after completing a night compass navigation challenge through woods I retraced the path we took. There was no path, just dense woods and thickets. A route I would never have taken in day light. I wonder how I made it through. Sometimes is better not knowing and just doing what needs to be done.
A master told his students a story about a monk who built a raft to cross a river. After crossing the monk strapped the raft to his back carried it around with him where ever he went. The next obstacle this monk faced was deep canyon. In stead of unstrapping the raft from his back and using the rope to lower himself down he attempts to climb down with the raft tied to his back wondering why its so difficult… Life changes. Most of our coping methods are created by the age of 10 and we expect them to work for us when were 50, surprised and depressed when they don’t. It takes intentional effort to notice the “raft” we carry, untie it, break it down, discarding what is no longer useful.
Reading your posts, it clear that you have handled everything that has come your way. Sure, some things you might have done differently, or wished you would not have had to face, but you handled them just the same. You will handle whatever comes you way now.
The fear and doubt you have about this this uncertain stage of life you are entering is understandable but does not hold you back. In fact this uncertainty is a door to a path you might never have imagined yourself taking and doing so surprising yourself.
“The doors to the world of the wild Self are few but precious. If you have a deep scar, that is a door, if you have an old, old story, that is a door. If you love the sky and the water so much you almost cannot bear it, that is a door. If you yearn for a deeper life, a full life, a sane life, that is a door.” ― Clarissa Pinkola Estés, Women Who Run With the Wolves
Open the door.
PeterParticipantSorry Cat
My intention wasn’t to explain your faith and suspected after I posted I was off the mark.
I noted your struggle in the initial post with the ‘loss of faith’ and know what a difficult and confusion time that can be. For my own experience I found that much of my suffering with regards to faith came from the quilt I felt for having doubt. It was only after a lot of struggle that I learned that doubt and uncertainty are important attributes of Faith. I have faith in Life as it is and that it always presents the possibility of change within each moment. I feel that as a good thing even though change does not always go the way I hope – usually as my ego hoped.
Thanks for pushing back
Pieter
PeterParticipantPerhaps its a matter of semantics and perceptive – how we direct consciousness
From your perspective (a focus that discounts the experience of the moment) I might say Life does not change. We are born we die… that does not change
Yet so much can happen in between life and death… From another perspective our body literally change with each breath we take. Every breath a birth and a death. (Every breath containing the past, present and future.)
After each cycle of life and death after each cycle of spring turning to summer, turning to fall, turning to winter… The thing we call ‘I’, family, relationship, society, history changes… What has stayed the same?
You are not the same person you were as a child, you are no the same person that wrote the initial post.
Change happens slowly then all at once – we tend not to notice all the little changes until we do. There is constant change and as we change our experience of relationship changes, our experience of our job changes….
Life/Universe demands growth it cannot survive stagnation and much of that growth comes through the grace of pain. That is Life as it is.
“Every things changes and stays the same.” 🙂
PeterParticipantWith regrades to Faith. Fear is to courage as doubt is to Faith. It is in time of doubt that we lean on faith (and often discover it)
Certainty does not require Faith. You have/had faith in the universe guidance yet do not fully embrace the reality that life is constant change and that we become conscious after experiencing the tensions between opposites.
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PeterParticipantNaming the problem is a good first step. However often we wish to fix something and that’s as far as it goes.
Do you want to do the work to address your shyness? Be honest with yourself. Romantic relationship as the Buddha noted opens the door to chaos… of course chaos opens the door to wonders.
“All the most powerful emotions come from chaos -fear,anger,love- especially love.” ― Kirsten Miller
“You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
“Our real discoveries come from chaos, from going to the place that looks wrong and stupid and foolish.” ― Chuck Palahniuk
I don’t see the epilepsy as a problem, you have learned to deal with it and anyone who you give a chance to know you will see that. The shyness on the other hand is a problem. As a shy person my self I was surprised to learn that others experience my shyness as arrogance. To protect ourselves we have learned to accommodate our shyness but from a observer lit can look like arrogance
– You don’t start conversations because you’re scared of being rejected. But some people confuse this with being unfriendly.
– You feel extremely self-conscious so you spend a lot of time and energy on your appearance. But other people confuse this with being vain.
– You can’t look someone in the eye because you’re too shy. But some people confuse this as a lack of interest.
– You give short responses because you’re anxious. But some people confuse this with thinking they are “not worthy” of your time.
-nYou adopt a defensive or “stay away” body language because you feel self-conscious. But other people confuse this with rudeness.You can see how quickly things can go array for the shy… most of who would use such experience to reinforce their shyness. better to remain alone (how many times have you told yourself that?) I recommend finding a life coach or therapist to help overcoming you shyness and practice techniques with.
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PeterParticipantHope is a verb.
Skillful hope, is hope with eyes open prepared to take action when opportunity shows it self as we work towards our goals. Unskillful hope, is hope with eyes shut, passive, waiting to be saved. Hoping to win the lotto but never buying the ticket.
Where to find hope in yourself? This may sound like a paradox however if you have been practicing hope unskillfully you may want to practice not hoping. Be mindful and notice when you turn to hope, if its passive, acknowledge it as such and let it go. Make no judgments, just notice, and be kind to yourself.
Eventually if you practice you will learn how to let go of other unhelpful thoughts. That is something to hope for, eyes open, working towards your goals and when the opportunity for healing shows itself, and it will, taking it.
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