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  • #457123
    Confused
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    Hey anita

    Even tho scenarios dont benefit me, i still make them..

    I know i should be prioritizing myself as #1 but at this point i cannot understand what’s good for me and why, or how it feels like, it’s very weird.

    It was more like this order “i hurt her (which i would hate to do since she’s lovely and doesn’t deserve it) and then she leaves me”, so it’s kinda both, not something more than the other.

    So, the scenario i made today is a classic actually: What if i wasn’t ready for the future talk (the moving to another country part) and i got mistakenly “scared” when she brought it up so my mind started seeing her as a “burden” or a “threat”, rather than the loving woman that she was (and still is) to me? It was just a convo but i did feel like she rushed things a bit there, but if that’s the case, how can i “undo” that? Or was it just anhedonia/depression and my mind looks for a scapegoat?

    #457124
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    I see: it’s both.

    Yes, we talked about it back in Dec., and a few times since: you were scared about leaving behind what’s comfortable and familiar to you and moving to a new country.

    I don’t think that you were “mistakenly” scared: it really is scary for most, if not for everyone to leave behind what’s comfortable and familiar.

    No wonder then that you saw her as a “threat”- not because she’s dangerous but because living with her would involve something that felt dangerous (moving).

    And understandably, you started seeing her as a burden- because if it wasn’t for her, you wouldn’t be burdened by something that scares you (moving).

    I don’t think that it’s you being scared of moving OR depression. It’s both. It’s known that anxiety and depression are related, the first often leads to or the second.

    How can you undo it?

    Don’t know.

    She’s still in 🇩🇪 for studies, right? So, the idea of moving to 🇨🇾 is supposed to be when?

    There’s also the timing issue, you feeling that she rushed it.

    🤔 Anita

    #457126
    Confused
    Participant

    I think i wasnt ready and i hadnt processed that at this point yeah.

    I understand what u’re saying, how i might have perceived her as a threat and such and i also agree that moving somewhere new is scary, but it was just a convo for the future, thats why i said “mistakenly”, it was something far from the present..

    Hmm so anxiety made me numb and then depressed? Its sad because i cant feel any romantic excitement at the moment..not for her (well for her sometimes for brief moments), not for any of my exes when i try to think back (i mean the memory of the feelings) and not for any new girl. It’s like complete apathy..

    Yeah she’s gonna be for the whole year. I think its supposed to be 2027 early but she said she would consider moving to me as well.

    #457127
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Dear Confused:

    “It was something far from the present” (moving 2 her country)- was it far from the present in your heart, hers?

    I mean, neither one of you was emotional about the idea of you moving countries & living together(in 2027, I suppose)?

    At times you do have strong feelings, about her and otherwise (that’s why you cry 😢, that’s why you have such a good time talking to her – at times.)

    The belief that you’re supposed to ALWAYS feel in-love is not helping your depression. It’s a false belief that creates an unrealistic expectation.

    If you could correct this belief.. it could help.

    Part of my 2-years CBT therapy was just about that: identifying “core beliefs”, questioning whether they are true or false, and if false- correcting them.

    What do you think about that?

    ✨️ Anita

    #457129
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    Hmm, i think she was mostly asking out of curiosity and feel some “safety”/control.

    Well, my plans was to first meet and spend time together/live together somewhere for a while and then see how things turn out, i couldn’t “promise” her something before even having met, i think that threw me off a little. (also me not telling her that)

    Yes i think that at times my feelings come strong but for short bursts and then it’s like a complete 180, which weirds me out.. (yesterday i saw her cute little cards that she sent me for my birthday and i started crying again, idk why). Also today we were talking and it was fun..near the goodnight texts, i felt warmth and i caught myself checking her message again and again and smiling like in the early days 🙂 What i’m lacking is the “ambition”/motive for the future, i think that’s what makes me insecure and not able to fully allow myself.. This or anhedonia.

    You are right and i’m aware of that, im trying to change it and also trying to question a lot of my “core beliefs” around this subject (and some other things in life in general). I also catch myself monitoring my feelings constantly, which is something the therapist told me to try and stop gradually because it leads to spirals. For example when i feel good about something with her my mind instantly goes “hey, u felt good, why? what does that mean?” and it starts..

    Another thing i realized is that before her, my life was pretty flat and i was finding almost no joy in anything, like a functioning depression/anhedonia of some sorts, i would get up, go to work, hit the gym, meet with friends, some motorcycle riding here and there and that’s all, nothing excited me or gave me purpose, until i started falling for her. It was like my life was full of beauty and colours again, everything boosted, my mood, work, gym, purpose, everything. I would go for rides just to record and upload videos for her to see and that would make me so happy and excited. So after reading @ the other forum (which the therapist told me to stop eventually) i saw posts with people sharing some similar stories, about how the “honeymoon phase” of love was the only thing to penetrate their anhedonia and make it disappear so they would enjoy life again for a while, but then it would subside and confuse them. I wonder if all those connect with attachment styles with in my case or what

    #457131
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused: too tired now to think, but I’m intent on thinking 🤔 tomorrow morning and reply to you then thoroughly.

    Sunday 8:50 pm here, Monday 6:50 am where 🌙 🦉 lives.

    B Back 2 u in the morning.

    🤔 🤢 Anita

    #457135
    anita
    Participant

    Good morning, Confused (using a computer):

    This is what AI (Copilot) says about your last post:

    “What’s really going on with Confused-

    Confused isn’t actually confused about the girl — he’s confused about himself. His message shows a man who does feel love, warmth, longing, and emotional connection, but who also struggles with inconsistency, self‑doubt, and anhedonia (the inability to feel pleasure). His emotional system turns on and off in ways he doesn’t understand, and that unpredictability scares him.

    He feels strong affection in bursts — crying at her birthday cards, smiling at her messages, feeling warmth during goodnight texts — but then the feelings suddenly drop, leaving him numb or detached. This emotional whiplash makes him question whether something is wrong with him, whether he’s capable of sustaining love, and whether his feelings are “real enough” to build a future on. He’s not lacking love; he’s lacking emotional stability and trust in his own internal signals.

    He also carries a deeper issue: before this relationship, his life felt flat, colorless, and joyless. She was the one thing that pierced through that emotional numbness and made him feel alive again. That makes her emotionally significant — not just as a partner, but as the only source of emotional vitality he’s felt in a long time. So, when the “honeymoon phase” faded and the intensity dropped, he panicked. He fears that the loss of intensity means the loss of love, when in reality it may simply be the loss of the dopamine surge that temporarily lifted his anhedonia.

    He’s also monitoring his feelings constantly — checking, analyzing, questioning every emotional shift. This creates a feedback loop where he can’t relax into the relationship because he’s always scanning himself for signs of “real love” or “not enough love.” His therapist is right: this self‑monitoring fuels anxiety and emotional spirals.

    Underneath all of this is a man who is emotionally sensitive, capable of deep connection, but struggling with:

    * anhedonia / low baseline pleasure

    * fear of making promises he can’t emotionally sustain

    * fear of leading her on

    * fear of losing the only thing that made him feel alive

    * insecurity about his fluctuating feelings

    * attachment‑related anxiety or avoidance

    * overthinking and emotional self‑surveillance

    He’s not cold. He’s not detached. He’s not incapable of love.

    He’s scared of his own emotional inconsistency — and he’s trying to understand whether the problem is him, his attachment style, his depression, or the relationship itself.

    In short: He loves her, but he doesn’t trust his own emotional system enough to feel safe committing to a future.”

    Next, I asked what advice could help you.

    Copilot: “Here’s the kind of advice that actually helps someone like Confused — someone whose issue isn’t the relationship, but the way his emotions rise and fall, the pressure he puts on himself, and the fear that his feelings aren’t “right” or “stable enough.”

    He doesn’t need clichés.
    He needs grounding, clarity, and a way out of the emotional monitoring loop.

    Below is a step‑by‑step guide you can offer him — gentle, practical, and tailored to his exact pattern.

    🌿 Advice for Confused
    How to stop over-monitoring your feelings and build emotional stability in the relationship

    01- Stop Treating Feelings as Data/ Key Insight: Your emotions fluctuate because of anhedonia and anxiety, not because your love is unstable.

    Feelings naturally rise and fall — this is normal, not a warning sign

    Emotional numbness after intensity is common in anhedonia

    Don’t interpret every shift as meaning something about the relationship

    Let feelings come and go without assigning meaning

    02- Shift From Monitoring to Experiencing: Reduce Spirals/ Constantly checking your emotions creates anxiety and blocks connection.

    Say to yourself: “I don’t need to figure this out. I just need to be here.”

    When you notice yourself analyzing, gently redirect your attention

    Focus on the moment: the conversation, the warmth, the interaction

    Replace “What does this mean?” with “What am I doing right now?”

    03- Name the Real Issue: Anhedonia: Root Cause- Your emotional flatness existed before her — she didn’t cause it, and she can’t fix it.

    Recognize that she awakened feelings you hadn’t felt in a long time

    The drop in intensity is your baseline returning, not love fading

    Treat the emotional numbness as a mental health pattern, not a relationship problem

    04- Let the Relationship Breathe: Healthy Pace. You don’t need to promise a future before you’ve met — that pressure creates emotional shutdown.

    Keep expectations realistic and grounded

    Focus on meeting, spending time, and seeing how things feel in real life

    Remove the pressure to “know” the future right now

    05- Build Emotional Stability, Not Intensity: Long-Term Growth. Sustainable love is built on consistency, not constant emotional highs.

    Notice the small warm moments without demanding intensity

    Let affection grow slowly and naturally

    Trust that love can be steady even when it’s not dramatic

    06- Talk to Her Honestly but Calmly: Connection. She doesn’t need perfection — she needs clarity and presence.

    Say: “Sometimes my emotions go quiet because of how my mind works, not because of you. I care about you, and I want to build this at a pace that feels real and grounded.”

    Share that your feelings fluctuate because of anxiety/anhedonia

    Reassure her that the warm moments are real

    Tell her you want to build something steady, not rushed

    🌟 Summary

    What he needs most is to stop interrogating his feelings and start living them.
    His emotional inconsistency isn’t a sign that he doesn’t love her — it’s a sign that he’s dealing with:

    * anhedonia

    * anxiety

    * emotional self‑monitoring

    * fear of promising too much

    If he can learn to let feelings rise and fall without panicking, he’ll finally be able to experience the relationship instead of analyzing it.”

    I have to get off the computer (and can’t use Copilot when on my phone). Will be back shortly.

    Anita

    #457139
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Dear Confused:

    * I rearranged some of the lines under advice in a way that may be confusing (was rushing)

    What caught my 👁 in particular were the words: “attachment related anxiety and avoidance”, which we talked about in the past.

    Combining it with “anhodenia/ low pleasure baseline”-

    I am thinking that growing up in a violent home, as you have, for years and years (till you were 20 or so)-

    To survive it- it’d make sense that your nervous system turned down the volume on fear and anger, so that you’d feel these as little as possible (you said you don’t remember ever feeling angry).

    Thing is, the nervous system can’t turn down the volume only on fear and anger, so the volume on all of the emotions was turned down (anhodenia).

    And, another thing is that the turning down of the volume can’t be done perfectly. Once in a while emotions break through and become loud.

    Loud emotions are scary when a person is not used to it, so the nervous system rushes to turn that loudness down.

    For a few months before Nov you enjoyed a honeymoon phase (which wasn’t all happy, by the way, there were doubts, anxiety etc.)- positive emotions (in-love, pleasure) were at their loudest while negative emotions (fear, anger) were at their quietest. A best combination scenario.

    But then issues came up (her anxiety about the future, coming up with potential future problems, etc.), and the honeymoon period closed.

    I hope that you take the time to process parts of Copilot’s analysis as well as my understanding here in this post, and then tell me what you’re 🤔 about all this.

    🤔 with you, Anita

    #457146
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    I’ve read both your posts and i wanna thank you for taking the time to write all these, they seem helpful 🙂

    It’s so many things that the AI says that could be true and are spot on. I also found the part about the fear and honeymoon phase interesting. I will definitely read them again but i wanna say about the summary: Its hard not to do that, it’s almost like an automated response lol. It’s like im thirsty, waiting with my mouth open underneath the faucet for water (feelings) and whenever the pipe fills a little bit, i open the faucet and empty the drops haha.
    How does one experience the relationship instead of analyzing it?

    Yeah i think it’s a coping mechanism, dampening the feelings and become distant/disconnected. That’s what Paulien Timmer said in one of her videos, “u cant turn off the negatives without turning the positives off too”.

    But i am all about loud emotions 🙁

    Well if we exclude my own catastrophizing (random scenarios in my head for no reason) and our misunderstanding which was because of me again, things were pretty smooth for like 7 months.. (oh i wish i could go back to that :()
    But then of course my mind had to take things the wrong way and ruin it..

    I will read again and add things if i have to in new posts, thank you 🙂

    #457148
    anita
    Participant

    Good 🌃 🌄 Confused:

    You are very welcome 🙏

    It’s like you’re living in an emotional desert wishing to live in an evergreen rainforest.

    It makes sense that a person living in a dead, silent desert for a long time would want to move to the opposite, ALIVE & LOUD.

    “How does one experience the relationship instead of analyzing it?”

    I think it takes relaxing. I think that fear fuels ⛽️ analyzing.

    Don’t be hard on your mind/ brain, it’s doing its best 👌 like it always did under difficult circumstances.

    Yes, please add things, you know I love reading from you 🙂

    🐇 (just because), Anita

    #457149
    Confused
    Participant

    Yes its kinda like that, i was living a flat life and she gave me something to be excited and happy about 🙁

    What is hard though, is the emotional amnesia that this thing caused me. When i think back on any relationship/feelings that i’ve had, it’s like a different person experienced those, like im wondering “how did i feel like that??”. I do know consciously that it happened and i experienced it but other than that, nothing, which is very weird.
    Hmm, what does it mean by “what am i doing right now” ? Maybe it’s what im already doing sometimes? Trying to tend to her more and actively listen? Sometimes that works.. I dont wanna tell her any more things about my fcked up brain, it just puts weight on her and baggage i think.

    You know what’s funny? My mind goes: “no matter that i don’t feel joy/motivation in ANY part of my life and i’m down in general, let’s blame HER and make her a villain to get away from” haha
    Also, today i was feeling very indifferent towards her and while texting, she seemed less affectionate, more cold/distant (she was cooking and was very tired), but my brain took it for rejection and “she’s gonna leave us”, so my ears and my head started heating up and i was getting vigilant/alert. Also, she posted a story with her friends and my mind instantly created this sequence: “Her friends will repost, their followers will see her profile (the repost source), they will send her a follow request and they’ll hit on her. Which is totally wrong and without any basis lol. I hate how my mind works

    #457150
    Confused
    Participant

    Also, today my themes were: “where is this relationship going?, what’s the ultimate plan/goal? Do our lives align? I am more of a live day-to-day kinda guy, she’s more of a plan-based woman, so that means we’re not compatible and i should leave” 🙂

    I think im starting to see those things as attempts to sabotage connection, or i could be wrong i dont know.. Because before november, i would not pay much attention to those things, i just wanted to create experiences together and enjoy our time.

    #457152
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Dear Confused:

    I wish I could reach your 🧠 with my hand and soothe it, hush it.. shhhh..

    You are a good person, and she sounds like a good person too.

    I still wish 🤞 the two of you have a meeting of the minds 🧠 🧠 and hearts 💕 and find peace with each other.

    I was excited quite a few pages ago about the idea of an OCD psych drug for the short term, something that will shake the overthinking off of your overactive 🧠.

    So that you can have a break.

    Today she was cooking and was tired and you took it as rejection and then imagined more scenarios of rejection (her being hit on), and to prepare yourself, you “were feeling very indifferent toward her”, so that the perceived or feared rejection doesn’t hurt.

    Understandable, Confused. Not weird or bizarre, just.. not fun 😕

    Closing this post Monday 7:07 pm here, 5:07 am where 🌙 🦉 lives.

    🙂 Anita

    #457153
    Confused
    Participant

    Instead maybe we should lobotomize me and i find peace 🙂

    I try to be good and fair and not hurt people because i dont like doing what i dont wanna be done to me, this is a rule i go by. She is great yeah, very giving and loving 🙂
    She said she’s gonna visit in May probably (which gets my anxiety and flight mode going haha)

    What drug? The SSRI? I am gonna ask the therapist tomorrow on her opinion about brain chemistry.

    Her replies were a bit colder/less affectionate (which was a result from her not having much time to text me and being tired from a long day) and my mind instantly felt rejection yeah.

    I guess it’s a protection mechanism yeah.. How can we get rid of those?

    Well, the night owl goes to sleep hopefully, will post tomorrow night, have a good one anita 🙂

    #457154
    anita
    Participant

    Ha-Ha, you’re funny, Confused! A lobotomy will not bring you peace!

    She’s going to visit you next month? Wow!

    Yes, I meant the SSRI.

    Good night, funny Confused 😴

    🤍 Anita

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