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Dear aphroitte1,
I am sorry you are feeling sad and disappointed that your old boyfriend hasn’t changed. Unfortunately, it was to be expected, considering his behavior over the years. If a person doesn’t go through some serious healing and transformation, there is no reason why they would change.
I am very dissapointed and I’ve just realized that this won’t change like ever. I could wait another 70 years and he still won’t show me love and treat me like I deserve to be treated. It’s not because he can’t, he doesn’t want to.
It’s a good realization. Till now, all this time, you were hoping he would be different whenever you got back together. But it never happened – the end result was always the same: he left, or sent you away, accusing you of destroying him mentally. He was accusing you, even though you said you did everything to make the relationship work, agreed to his conditions, begged him to stay etc. Similarly like you agreed to secrecy with your latest boyfriend too.
I can imagine you didn’t ask much for yourself, just to be treated with basic respect and decency. However, you weren’t given any of that, but as you said, you got lack of respect and white lies.
Unfortunately, a part of you agreed to this kind of treatment, because you yourself said this newest rekindling of your relationship was nothing official or serious:
We were seeing each other for a month and a half, nothing official nor serious.
I imagine you would like your romantic relationships to be official and serious, and to be treated like a proper girlfriend, and be official, so that everyone knows about it. But the guys you are with aren’t able or willing to treat you like that – they reject you and keep you a secret. And you, because of your insecurity, used to accept their disrespect and lesser treatment. You used to agree to being kept a secret and to believing that you are the problem, not them.
You now demanded a better treatment from your old/current boyfriend – to acknowledge your anniversary and show you some love and appreciation, show you that he cares about you, that you are important to him. But instead, he told you this date doesn’t mean anything and explained why you should never celebrate it.
No wonder you felt very hurt and angry. Why would someone who loves you reject to celebrate your first date? And should you be with a person who so vehemently refuses to appreciate that date, and by extension – refuses to appreciate YOU?
The answer is no, of course. And I hope you’ve come to the same conclusion, aphriotte1. It appears you have:
I could wait another 70 years and he still won’t show me love and treat me like I deserve to be treated. It’s not because he can’t, he doesn’t want to.
Yes, you’re seeing that right, I am afraid. He isn’t able to give you the love and appreciation you deserve. And you shouldn’t be hoping any more that things will change.
I feel little quilty because I hanged up like that, but when I remember how many times he hanged up, never actually picked up the phone, ignored me, blocked me etc.. I just justify every anger I have right now.
Don’t feel guilty for hanging up. Your anger is justified, in the sense that you refuse to accept his BS any more. You refuse to be blamed and disrespected, you refuse to beg for his love and then receive breadcrumbs, if that at all.
Use your anger constructively: to say STOP to this relationship, to say stop to the emotional abuse you’ve been taking for so many years. Enough is enough. Turn your anger into DETERMINATION to respect yourself and not allow anybody to disrespect you, deny you, keep you a secret, or blame you for treating you badly.
I hope you’ll have the strength to put an end on this relationship and turn a new page, entering the New Year!
- This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
sorry for replying only now, I was quite busy… I must say I don’t quite understand your situation with the male friend, because you say he is flirting in hope of marriage. Does it mean he doesn’t know you are already married?
I understand you’ve had a hard time asserting yourself, since your family was very negative and judgmental about your husband. Are you having a hard time letting them know that you are married?
TeeParticipantDear Carson,
I’ve read your two other threads as well. You’ve been through a lot, and I believe you had a very confusing and tormenting childhood. Your father behaved in very inappropriate and sexually (and psychologically) harmful ways with you, while your mother didn’t do anything to protect you. As anita said, your mother now seems disappointed that you are having mental problems and aren’t able to get better quickly. She is basically blaming you for having been traumatized and suffering consequences, although every child would have been traumatized in your place.
Your father also blamed you when you refused to bathe with him when you got a little older. Again, blaming you for something that is absolutely not your fault, but in fact a natural instinct of self-defense.
As a result of all this blame and making you a bad person and somehow faulty, you feel guilt and shame about yourself, when in fact, you are the victim in all this, and your counselor is right:
My counselor tells me to see myself as a victim more as opposed to bullying myself. But I am having trouble going through this.
No wonder you have a hard time seeing yourself as a victim – because your parents have been telling you all along that it’s your fault, not theirs.
You also feel a tremendous amount of anger – justified anger – because a part of you knows that what they did was wrong. A part of you wants to protect yourself and fight back. When this anger is suppressed, it turns into something darker – a wish to harm your parents, and also to harm anyone you feel threatened by, such as the boy you felt attracted to. I think it would be very important to be able to express your anger in a safe, therapeutic setting, because it’s a justified anger. If you express it in a safe, controlled environment, it won’t torment you any more, threatening to become dangerous to yourself or others. It will also allow you to protect yourself and set boundaries. To know that it was you who was harmed by your parents, not vice versa.
I think it’s really important for you to stop blaming yourself for being unwell, for having issues, for not being able to just snap out of it and get on with your life. Those things take time. But first, you’d need to acknowledge that it’s you who have been harmed, not your parents. It’s not your fault, but theirs. The wound will need time healing. Give yourself time. Try to have compassion for yourself, because that’s what you need the most right now.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear sossi,
i once again just cant understand why this happens. Why am i dumped on?… I cant understand why she wouldnt want to foster a loving relationship between sisters? between her and us? its sick and i feel, wrong.
ive been literally feeling physically sickened by my life.
Your problem is that you are still hoping that your mother (and father) will change, so you can feel better about yourself and your life. But I am sorry to say – they won’t. They will stay the same – your mother being the narcissistic person that she is, and your father being her enabler. You don’t have a chance of a better life – if you depend on them changing.
But you do have a chance of a better life if you stop hoping that they would change, and instead, give yourself that what you are hoping to get from them: love, appreciation and validation.
They will never give you what you need, but you can give it to yourself. I think you would benefit a lot from therapy, from having someone give you the understanding and appreciation you never properly received from your parents. You need to heal those childhood emotional wounds, and then you can be free.
What do you think?
- This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Isabel,
you are very welcome, I am glad I could help.
Yes I was attracted and yes I did want to have sex with him, but I didn’t I stopped it, and apart from a couple of times in April when I had two indiscretions (thanks again Anita), the reason for me to stray was due to a need that I needed filling. Yes, I did feel amazing I had a skip in my step I was buzzing at life.
It’s great you can see it as it is – because indeed it was a legitimate need (to feel appreciated and respected, and to be treated with kindness). It’s good you are aware of it, so please don’t blame yourself if you feel that need again. I imagine it would be important in the future to start demanding respect from your husband as well, however you might not be able to do it just yet. I guess first you’d need to work on that childhood wound and start loving and valuing yourself, in order to be able to demand it from others too.
I do hope you can find a good, compassionate counselor, and slowly but surely start building up your self-esteem. Please post about your progress, or if you have any other questions or doubts.
TeeParticipantDear Michelle,
I am sorry about the loss of your baby. I can imagine that pregnancy gave you meaning and intensified your hopes and dreams about the future: “everything was vibrant and hopeful and purposeful”. He too was sad about the loss. He opened up about his feelings, and it eventually brought you closer together:
He was surprised at how much loss he felt, and during this time became open about all of his feelings surrounding the pregnancy. There is never really a silver lining when pregnancy loss is involved, but in this case, we have grown closer, even just in the last few weeks.
I feel that it created a sense in him as well, that there is more to life than himself. It expanded his view of connection.
He is now considering moving in with you. He has given you a timeline for when you should expect this move and “it isn’t years out”. The reason he is reluctant to move in with you is his OCD, he says. You believe it’s not such a big problem and that you could work around it.
Well, I believe OCD is a legitimate reason for someone not to be willing to live with another person. If your habits – which are different than his – make him anxious, as you said earlier, then no wonder he would be terrified to live with you because his anxiety levels would be up all the time. I don’t think you could really work around his OCD unless he is willing to work on it in therapy. So far you’ve said he isn’t really willing to go to therapy – has that changed in the meanwhile?
To be honest, I believe raising a child with someone with OCD would be very challenging too. I believe a needy, crying child would trigger him a lot, and he would probably need to escape to his own space, away from you and the baby. And this would likely be traumatic for the child.
You say about your pregnancy:
At the same time I felt like it was all too good to be true and that it wasn’t really meant for me at the time.
Maybe this will sound rude, but I don’t really think it was too good to be true, because it would have been very hard for you to raise a child together with him. Maybe you would have ended up raising the child alone… Do you think you would have been up to it? How would such a scenario make you feel?
So maybe you are romanticizing things a little bit, while your boyfriend seems to be more down to earth, knowing his own limitations. Perhaps that’s why he was in shock and terror when he heard the news of your pregnancy (even though there was “an undercurrent of happiness at the same time”). Maybe he knows he isn’t capable of caring for a child, and that it would have been a huge challenge for him?
TeeParticipantDear Isabel,
you are most welcome.
As I type this, I am thinking to myself, what I did although wrong was not that bad if I reframe it. I had self control, I could have easily got carried away with my colleague and had sex with him, there were multiple times he asked me to stay at his or meet him in a hotel all of which I declined.
Absolutely – you had enough self-control and stopped it from going too far. You resisted his advancements, even though you liked him a lot and he was tempting you. You should congratulate yourself for having the resolve and the self-control to draw the line and say No.
I think the problem for me is that I have built this up some much and told a story to myself that I am such a bad person and I am going to lose everything because of this, in fact, although it was wrong I was looking for comfort at the time and I found it in someone who had respect for me and saw the good in me – does that make sense?
It makes a lot of sense. You said earlier that your husband is very controlling and that it was hard to spend so much time with him during lockdown. I can imagine you were craving for some positive attention – something different than his frequent criticism and control. Your colleague, who is also your boss (an authority figure whom you respect and admire) showed you respect and kindness, which is what you have been craving for so long.
No wonder this made you feel appreciated and valued, and you felt good about yourself. Perhaps you haven’t felt so good about yourself in a very long time! Because spending such a long time with your husband, in lockdown, most probably didn’t do you good (I guess after being in lock down it was nice to get attention from someone else… This on top of having to homeschool and be at home under one roof was getting too much.)
I think the problem for me is that I have built this up some much and told a story to myself that I am such a bad person and I am going to lose everything
Yes, you have been telling yourself that you are a bad person, when it is not true at all. I hope you see the reality – that you are not a bad person but that you have been brought up to believe that about yourself. You are a good person, who just wants to be loved and respected, who wants to be treated with kindness, not with criticism and judgment. This is a legitimate need, which we all have. The little Isabel needs love and kindness from you. It’s the same love and kindness that you, the adult Isabel, needed from your colleague…
Try to give yourself love and kindness. When you hear that harsh critical voice telling you that you are a bad person, tell it to STOP! And then embrace the little Isabel and tell her you love her very much and that she hasn’t done anything wrong.
If you aren’t able to be that voice of loving kindness to yourself, try to find a therapist who embodies the qualities of love and kindness – preferably a woman, who is a soft, motherly type, who will listen to you and accept you without judgment. You need a non-judgmental listening ear, which friends cannot always give you (and you wouldn’t want to confide in them necessarily).
I have booked a doctor’s appointment for my anxiety to see if there is something they can do to help, I had a bad night last night and work up having a panic attack and palpitations.
Good that you’ve booked an appointment! If the therapist is a compassionate type, who can provide you with kindness and lots of understanding, I think that would be really helpful.
TeeParticipantDear Isabel,
I definitely need to sort things out with my husband and change the dynamics in our relationship. I just struggle when I am in this headspace where I feel guilty for what I have done. In my head what I have done is worse than the way he treats me and I guess society would also see it that way.
I just need to find my strength to get over this pit of the stomach feeling and awful anxiety.
When you are blaming yourself relentlessly and feeling awful anxiety about what you have done, it’s like you go back to your childhood and you are completely identified with the little Isabel, who felt horribly guilty and bad and a disappointment to her parents. You are taken over by that old guilt, and aren’t able to see a bigger picture, which is this:
That being said what I did was wrong but what I am feeling now is that I need to learn from this and find a way to forgive myself. I am going to gain nothing from telling my husband other than hurting him and my daughter.
I definitely need to sort things out with my husband and change the dynamics in our relationship.
I also think my inner critic has also come from my husband as he is also very critical. He is a very clean and tidy person and has high standards (which I don’t meet) he is the one who does the house work, he will always get to it before me and then if I do do it, my efforts are not good enough. He seems to be able to do things in a very neat way and Iam just not like that, so he is very critical of me. Unfortunately my daughter has also taken after me and she is not neat and tidy, and he is critical of her.
Your husband reminds you of your parents, who used to be very strict and judgmental. You love him and are trying to conform to his expectations, so that you can feel loved and accepted. It is the inner child in you, who needs your husband’s approval, same as you needed your parents’ approval.
I imagine you often feel guilty when you don’t meet his expectations regarding smaller things, such as tidiness and money spending. And now, you feel extremely guilty, in a bigger thing such as having had a semi-affair with a co-worker. The core of that guilt is the same: you believe you are a bad person, deserving judgment, and that what you did is unforgivable. That’s what the little Isabel believed about herself too, due to having been raised like that.
What you would need is to strengthen your adult self. Your adult self sees the bigger picture and is able to have compassion and understanding for the little Isabel, who is so completely overwhelmed by self-loathing and self-blame. You need to soothe your own inner child… Perhaps you aren’t able to do it on your own, and that’s where counseling can help – to have someone to serve as a good, compassionate parent, to help you through this experience.
And one more thing: perhaps the fact that you fell in love with an older man isn’t a coincidence. It might reflect your longing for a kind, loving parent vs. a strict, judgmental one.
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
congratulations on getting married! I am happy for you!
Does your family know about it? I am asking because it seems this male friend of yours is flirting with you again (after some months he started showing interest again (current)), and your sisters are convincing you to be friendly with him:
actually it was a decision about a good friendship of mine ( my sisters were convincing me again nf again for him who I can’t trust or don’t wanna may be ,they tried to talk about him so much that I started to doubt the experience which I got from him )
Have I understood it right – that he is flirting with you again, in hope of marriage? Or he is not flirting, but showing interest in being friends again, after months of ignoring you and not talking to you? And you don’t trust him (rightfully) because he might not be honest with you but has ulterior motives, such as borrowing money from you?
As for the pandemic, I too have a slight pandemic fatigue. Honestly, I am reluctant to get a booster shot, but will do it, since it appears that 2 shots don’t provide a good protection any more…
TeeParticipantDear Isabel,
you are welcome.
I think this situation has made me realise that I do love my husband but perhaps there is some work to do in our marriage.
There probably is some work in your marriage, since you earlier said that he is very controlling around money and has high expectations of you. You haven’t said anything else about your marriage, but it seems to me you are blaming yourself excessively for everything that happened, and freeing him from any responsibility.
I have also realised that I need to look for happiness from him and not from someone else.
What if he cannot give you happiness and joy, at least the way he is now?
I just feel like he deserves better than me
This is the problem: your lack of self-worth. You believe you are bad and worthy of judgment, and probably he is quite judgmental (“has high expectations of you”), and this is the dynamic you are in. Maybe he is blaming you for spending too much, or for not being good enough in this or that way. And you believe him, because that’s what you believe about yourself (and this, as you said, stems from your childhood).
He would never forgive me though I no that for 100% certain. Truth and honesty is what he is about.
If he would never forgive you, that tells something about him, doesn’t it? It’s all fine and good that he is about truth and honesty, but what about other qualities, such as compassion, understanding and forgiveness?
- This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Isabel,
I agree you shouldn’t tell your husband because it would only make things worse. You’ve realized you don’t want to pursue the affair with your colleague and you drew the line.
Based on your words, it seems to me you’re not too happy with your husband:
i do love my husband but he is not always the easiest of people to live with. He has high expectations from me and is very controlling over money and what we spend it on. I guess after being in lock down it was nice to get attention from someone else and I got carried away.
If your husband is often critical of you (He has high expectations from me) and controlling (is it just about the finances or other things too?), no wonder you crave for some positive attention sometimes.
I am a loyal and honest person and it goes against what I believe by being disloyal. The only way I can justify it is that I need it at the time, but then I just feel selfish.
Yes, you needed a positive, non-judgmental attention, which might be very different from what you’re getting from your husband? And it appears you feel selfish for having justified needs…? Of course, it doesn’t mean you should try to meet your emotional needs by getting into affairs, but I believe you should examine your relationship with your husband a bit better, and how much you’re allowed to be free, specially to enjoy life, spend money on things you like etc, without having to worry about every penny, and feeling restricted in general.
TeeParticipantDear S,
you’ve touched upon something very important, which anita suggested: your fear of failure.
anita said:
My best guess as to why you why didn’t want to pursue college, and/ or aim at a more demanding and higher paying job than your current, is your fear of failure, fear of not performing well-enough.
You replied:
I think that’s a fair assessment, yeah! It does feel like attending school would be very overwhelming, especially going back so late in life and maybe that’s where I’m afraid to fail. And yes I do like to keep my life simple too.
Fear of failure can stem from having been criticized a lot as children and as a result, not feeling good enough. You mentioned you don’t feel good enough at any of your hobbies (I have a lot of hobbies I really enjoy doing but I wouldn’t say I’m particularly good at them), so perhaps that mirrors your overall impression of yourself: that of not being good enough.
Has this been your experience?
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
you are very welcome. I am glad too that I got to communicate with you, you are a very kind and caring person, and you deserve all the love and happiness in the world. I hope and pray that little by little, things will get better in your life. <3
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I am happy to hear from you. And I want to let you know that I am here, rooting for you.
The saddest part is that I need and want help, but my mind won’t let me.
As both Peter and Sarah said, our mind is often our enemy, telling us lies, distorting things, even giving us distorted images. It happened to me once, when I tried to meditate on Jesus, all I got was some distorted images coming from my subconscious or I don’t know where from. I was desperate.
What helped me was to call Jesus into my heart. I told him to please circumvent my mind, because my mind is polluted, and come into my heart. I begged him because I couldn’t bear living without love any more. I was desperate. And he did – I felt warmth descending into the upper part of my body, into my heart, and I felt loved. It changed my entire life. It gave me hope.
You may try something similar, Javier. Ask Jesus or Mother Mary to circumvent your mind and come to your heart, so you can feel their love.
- This reply was modified 3 years ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Sam,
you are very welcome.
I do need to realize that I have to fight the urge to help them whenever they release disagreements they share with others to me. Afterall, It’s never all bad whenever I’m with them. … Besides, it’s not the worst thing a person could deal with.
You do need to stop trying to help them, but at the same time, it doesn’t mean you need to stay in the situation and tolerate their complaining and raging about the supposed wrong-doings done to them by other people. It sounds as if you are reducing the problem, trying to convince yourself that it’s not all that bad… while at the same time it is draining you (I’m emotionally tired) and triggering your own anger and rage (I’ve been finding myself having so much rage), to the point where you are afraid you might react violently, if I understood correctly? (I was trying to look to an outlet that wouldn’t result in any reckless reaction.)
I believe the first thing to do is to remove yourself from the situation, i.e. move out in case you’re currently living with your family. Or if they complain to you on the phone, you’d need to set some boundaries and refuse to listen and “soak in” their anger and rage. So ensure that you reduce the amount and intensity of triggers coming your way.
And the second thing might be to process and regulate some of your own anger and rage. Your anger is most probably very justified, not only because your family members are stubborn and refuse your help, but also because you might have learnt it as a go-to reaction from the people you looked up to, whom you call your mentors: dad, siblings, grandparent.
If all those people are male and this is how they’ve been dealing with their problems – via anger and rage – no wonder you’ve learned to react similarly. So it’s possible that you’d need to learn some anger management and some mindfulness techniques, so you don’t overreact so easily and potentially violently, if a trigger is presented.
How does this sound to you? Am I correct in assuming that anger and rage was/is a family pattern?
- This reply was modified 3 years ago by Tee.
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