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Hi Anonymous
Of course, I’m happy to share my experiences of therapy.
I’ve had a couple of different therapists. One when I was a child where they didn’t say very much and very much just waited for me to share when I wanted to, if I wanted to. The therapist had a lot of boundaries in place to make sure I didn’t get too attached which is essential when working with children. They could never remember my mother’s name which amused me.
I worked with a counsellor when I was in college. They were very nice and provided some advice about stopping self harming tendencies by practicing being kinder to yourself.
I had therapy around the birth of my son to help with intrusive thoughts. The two people I saw were kind and supportive and I learned some useful advice for managing intrusive thoughts.
I had issues with one therapist. They hadn’t read my file and asked me to write down my memory of being raped as homework in the first session when I had told them that I had never spoken about it before. It was too much too soon and I didn’t go back.
I waited to see another therapist and ended up seeing the one that I had left years before. I thought that I would make the best of the situation and say what wasn’t helpful. That was taken on board and she apologised. A different approach was used moving forward. Things went much better with a different approach and it turns out she was an amazing trauma therapist. I did the bulk of my work in therapy with her. She had difficulty remembering names of family members too. I think it is a common thing, if you think about how many patients they have every week and they all have family members. It is a lot to remember.
I always tell people that if something happens in therapy to upset you, tell your therapist. They are experts in communication and should immediately apologise and work with you to find a solution.
The goal of therapy is really to learn to be your own therapist. The job of your therapist is to teach you a lot of tools and to model behaviour that you will learn to do for yourself. Your therapist should be kind and listen to you. There are some things that therapists commonly say that people can find upsetting. They will call some behaviour and thoughts that are upsetting normal. But they don’t mean it isn’t important or distressing. They mean it in the sense that if someone is in a difficult situation, the feelings or actions are a normal human reaction to the circumstances.
When starting therapy a goal is usually set. It is a good idea to consider what you might want to discuss in therapy and any goals that you would like to achieve before you go.
That being said, therapists can have their off days. I know of a therapist who was horrified that they fell asleep on a patient when they were ill with long covid. My therapist’s dog died and that day we just spoke about memories of her dog. And sometimes if a patient has difficulty staying on task it can be difficult for the therapist to keep the conversation on task.
I have had a bad mental health nurse once who said some awful things to me. I had just aged out of child therapy and was waiting on adult therapy, I was seeing this nurse in the meantime. She complained that she didn’t see why I should have more therapy since I had already had therapy and called me melodramatic and attention seeking because I said that I didn’t know how I would cope without a therapist and was crying. She also wouldn’t let me leave when I tried to and told me that I had to stop crying before I could leave. The important context here is that I was abused growing up as a child and raped shortly before child therapy ended. If I was more stable and was older and wiser at the time I would have reported her because her behaviour was wildly inappropriate. I never saw her again. A mental health nurse has very poor training compared to a therapist, psychiatrist or a psychologist. I have heard of lots of bad experiences with mental health nurses sadly.
There are ways to report these things and it should be done if someone treats you badly. I think there is a difference between mistakes and things not working and people being intentionally cruel.
It is difficult when a patient has suicidal thoughts in therapy. There are a lot of strict rules about what can and can’t be done. Therapy can be distressing especially when talking about traumatic memories as the memories themselves are distressing. It is important to be stable when talking about these things, so you don’t go home and hurt yourself. You would need to be honest with your therapist about these thoughts and let them know if they get worse. They may work with you if you are very clear about how you are doing as you have a preventative factor, your child. As long as they believe you aren’t about to harm yourself it will be fine.
Hmm medication. There are a couple of different perspectives on it. Medication can make people more functional if they respond well to it. It may be suggested. But you can just say no. You don’t have to take it if you don’t want to. My trauma therapist actually helped me to withdraw from medication because she believed that medication interferes with therapy. Medication numbed my feelings, it was important to actually feel my feelings for therapy to be effective especially since I had habits of numbing my emotions based on trauma too.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Gresshoppe
Learning to be okay without a partner sounds like an amazing plan for yourself! I think you will have fun with it. It is said that the most important thing is to love yourself.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Clara
It is true, you have both been through a lot together. And no doubt grown a lot too.
Breathing, exercising and not overthinking sounds good. 😊
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
July 7, 2024 at 4:30 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #434777HelcatParticipant*flashcards you can make
July 7, 2024 at 4:27 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #434776HelcatParticipantHi Seaturtle
That is a good summary of your understanding about the schemas. I would recommend taking a look at a list of schemas and see if you think there might be any others as well as the ones you have already mentioned. Abuse tends to give you quite a few.
The good thing is that you are very driven when it comes to healing and overcoming your trauma. This part of you, the intuition, the healthy boundaries part of you fought against the schemas and it won! You sought to end a relationship that was unhealthy and which was incompatible with you. You have done really well in taking care of yourself!
I just mentioned schemas because when dating they can create feelings of attraction for people that you aren’t compatible with. It is something to be mindful of in the future. That is not to say that you will only be attracted to people who trigger your schemas. Just being more aware of what you do and don’t want in a relationship and keeping yourself accountable to that can be helpful in navigating these things.
Yes, you really did go through a lot as a child. It is not an easy thing.
I see, as a child you had a pattern of apology and telling your father about something not to do with him that would make him empathise with you to resolve conflict.
And with your ex you had a similar pattern in that when a disagreement was happening, you would ask him to empathise with how he had hurt you. To which he often refused. He would comfort you instead when you had dropped the issue.
That sounds quite manipulative to me, choosing to comfort you when you drop the issue. I’m really sorry that happened. When you describe how he was, he seems very avoidant.
Feeling emotionally unsafe during a disagreement is called an emotional flashback. It seems like you are brought back to emotions and patterns that you experienced during disagreements with your father. Just a more adult version. If that makes sense?
It depends on what helps you. Everyone is different. But yes, the goal is to stay calm during disagreements. One thing that helps me is to remove myself from the situation for a short time. Sometimes turning away and not looking at the person helps me. Sometimes staying silent helps me to control myself.
There are flashbacks that you can make to reassure yourself. If you memorise it or stored it on your phone that could be helpful. So the point is to recollect the past event, show your past self empathy and to separate it from the present, then to reassure yourself.
I’m going to give an example of what mine looks like.
When I was a child my mother was very unsafe. I was terrified when she would get angry at me and hurt me for no reason. I didn’t deserve that, I deserved to be loved and taken care of. These memories make me feel scared during disagreements. It is July 2024, I’m safe at home. I’m an adult and I can protect myself in ways that I could not as a child.
Yes these things are very difficult. It is a delicate balance because at the same time as being vulnerable, validating your partner, being assertive and managing your boundaries are all important. It is a very complicated skill to learn. It doesn’t mean tolerating an abusive situation.
I would agree that the break up was awful and he was intentionally trying to hurt you. Yes, people can act out of character when they are extremely stressed but that is also part of their character if that makes sense? There is a pattern of behaviour during times of stress.
I think that he was manipulative and avoidant and refused to show empathy at times. Not all times, you have shown that he is capable of empathy sometimes. Generally, it seems like his goal was to get you to stop. Not to necessarily hurt you. Though you definitely did get hurt.
You mentioned that earlier in the relationship he was a bit kinder to you?
I think that maybe with your ex, it was a bit of both? There were things that he did wrong which made it harder to trust. But at the same time, the trauma with your father was still present. Remember that your ex reminded you of your father sometimes?
I think not trusting your dad was about his unfair treatment of you.
Whether you have trust issues with everyone during disagreements is only a question that you can answer yourself. Personally, I do experience trust issues with everyone during disagreements, to varying degrees. If someone hurts me intentionally it gets really hard. Swearing, insults, yelling are things trigger me. Keeping difficult conversations very calm is helpful to me. There are some techniques to do that like only one person should speak for 5 minutes and then switch. And setting a 30 minute time limit on disagreements.
Fireworks are awesome! It sounds like you had a really good time. 😊
You’re doing a really good job taking care of everything. If only money grew on trees. Haha.
My son is growing really quickly and crawling already. I’m getting addicted to buying him things. 😂 I’m definitely doing better than I was. Still getting there. Babies are hard work and we don’t have help from family or a sitter so it is non-stop. It is okay, I am used to it by now. The next goal is teaching him to walk.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Clara
I’m sorry to hear that the first year together was turbulent for you both.
You started dating when she had only just broken up with her ex. This means that she was still seeking closure and grieving her previous relationship. This process made you feel insecure to the point that you asked her to end contact and get rid of the exes stuff.
You chose to be with her in that situation. When she needed time to get closure and grieve. People have needs like seeking closure and grieving. Feeling insecure is understandable, but you asked her to ignore her needs and her feelings because they were making you feel uncomfortable.
This was an overreach on your part. I’m glad that she stood up for herself and did what she needed to do to process. It seems to me that she was very kind to you in this scenario and understanding by accommodating your feelings of insecurity. She might not have understood the reason, but she did not reject you despite the issues it caused in the relationship.
No doubt you were worried that they would get back together and she would leave you. Perhaps what she didn’t understand is why you were still feeling insecure after she told you that the relationship was over. Your anxiety about the situation was very high, to be the point of reassurance having no effect. It was not until her grieving process was over that you calmed down about the situation.
People make mistakes in relationships, it is a very human thing to do. However, this was not a small thing. This was a large thing and why she has a lasting memory of you behaving in this way.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Carol
It is good to hear that you are handling things a lot better and enjoying happiness in various aspects of your life.
I suppose that it is only human to have ebbs and flows of emotion when we think of someone who was close to us.
Thank you for your kindness and compassion too! I am okay with what happened.
I hope that you enjoy the events with your new friends. 😊
I see, so you have already told your friend how you feel. That is a shame that she lied to you when you asked her about it and treat you like that anyway.
You don’t have to make the decision now. There is plenty of time. Just enjoy your peace. Things will happen when they are meant to.
I don’t think your decision to hold off for now is unhealthy. You are simply doing what is best for you. 😊 I am sure that you will handle this when you are ready.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
July 7, 2024 at 8:59 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #434759HelcatParticipantHi Seaturtle
That is amazing to hear that your family have noticed your growth too! 😊
I think that you are strong enough to figure things out if there are any difficulties in relationships. It is great to hear that you are practicing listening to your intuition regularly!
So there’s something that can stop you from listening to your intuition in relationships.
Schemas can create attraction to people that you aren’t compatible with. A schema is an unhealthy thought pattern about yourself. For you, it would be a result of your trauma. But the basic idea is that if say you are used to an unstable home environment, once you leave that environment your mind tries to recreate that environment elsewhere. It is not just environmental though, it can affect mood and all sorts. People psychologically consider whatever they are familiar with safe, even if it is not safe. It takes effort and time to overcome these tendencies.
But yes, it is possible to access your intuition in relationships.
Something that I found helpful was to consider what I did and didn’t want in a relationship. Perhaps you might find that helpful when considering new partners?
Another thing is that people often act differently from normal when they enter relationships. Some are more affectionate, this is to encourage emotional attachment. It can be a good idea to emotionally protect yourself and wait to see how people act later on. This is how you will learn more about their nature and of course you learned the hard way that living with someone is how you truly learn about what they are like. Once you have lived together and they have experienced hardship. That is when you have a good understanding of someone’s character as people are at their worst during times of hardship.
Oooh that’s a deep question. It is difficult because with trauma there are times when triggered that trust can even be difficult with loved ones. With strangers I would say, pay attention to how they behave and what they say. If someone treats other people in a certain way, they are likely to at some point treat you like that as well. The clearest indication is if they have done something that doesn’t sit well with you. Another thing to consider is how you feel about them when you are calmer. Is the intuition still there? If not, it could just be anxiety. Considering if your feelings proportionate to the situation is also helpful. Being triggered or anxious is upsetting. Intuition is calmer. I guess what I tend to do is trust people in stages. If people are consistently kind, I share more. If they are not consistently kind, I share less.
I imagine that dynamic during disagreements would be because of your father. I am imagining that as a child when your father was angry you just wanted it to stop and you were scared and wanted a hug. But he was also unstable and not safe for you during those times. Would you agree with this? These feelings can persist as adults during disagreements.
I think the difficulty is to stay present when triggered during a disagreement. It takes a lot of practice and willingness to be vulnerable, being open to be hurt, but at the same time trust that the other person doesn’t want to hurt you.
Haha yes, it does take more than positivity. My husband and I actually figured things out finally. I think we have always been trying to protect ourselves first and foremost. Which isn’t always conducive for fixing problems. It is more like two people just saying my feelings are important. All feelings are important, but nurturing a relationship and solving problems is perhaps the most important thing of all. It does take two people to do that though.
I’m not American, so we don’t celebrate it. How was your 4th of July? How have you been?
It has been lovely catching up with you again. 😊❤️
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Chau
If the break is too hard and you would prefer to break up instead that is a decision that you could make. You just have to be sure that is what you really want.
Are you okay with giving up on the relationship? The only way to know is to wait until you feel calmer. It is not a good idea to make a decision when you are feeling emotional.
I feel like you have been through so much it could be a valid decision if you decide that is what you want, but at the same time you have been so hard on wanting to stay together.
Perhaps this is an opportunity for you to think about what you want too?
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Chau
You value being treat with empathy and care. You feel like you’re not being treat that way at the moment.
For the relationship to move forward, it is not just about your needs. It is also about your partner’s needs. Your partner is responsible for taking care of herself and you are responsible for taking care of yourself during this break.
I’m sure that ordinarily if things weren’t strained between you she would’ve been there to comfort you.
On the plus side, she did talk to you when you did reach out.
This break is hard for you, but you were the person who initially suggested it. This whole thing is your idea.
Perhaps you are angry at yourself? You would not be in this situation if you had not suggested it.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
July 5, 2024 at 12:55 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #434717HelcatParticipantHi Seaturtle
Happy 4th of July!
Thanks for letting me know! That was very kind of you. I look forward to reading your message. I’m sure it will be through soon enough. 😊
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Franco
Well, are you considering a trip to Berlin or is it a lie to talk to her? She may not understand your intent to get to know her more. She may just think that you are trying to arrange a trip. Or down the road see that you were just lying about arranging a trip if you aren’t truly arranging one.
How do you normally talk to people on social media when you aren’t trying to date them? You said that you are a social person. Treat this like a normal social situation. You are just speaking to another person. Women really enjoy being spoken to like they are just people because we are just people.
It is perfectly acceptable to strike up a conversation about travelling. To talk about places you have been to. To talk about places that you would like to go to. To ask her about all of these things.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
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HelcatParticipantHi Clara
It sounds like you talked about a lot in one session with your therapist.
I’m sorry to hear that your father had an explosive temper growing up. And made some harsh comments about your sexuality during a disagreement. Your sexuality is a very special part of who you are and you a perfect how you are.
Sometimes when we grow up with someone who has an explosive temper, certain things get normalised and seem like normal behaviour. And we absorb a bit of that into our personalities. Not as severely, but still a bit.
It takes time to identify when things that we have absorbed from other people arise in our minds. But once it is identified it is much easier to let go because it easy to see that it does not meet our values.
You don’t strike me as someone who wants to overreact. It happens sometimes when you ignore how you are feeling.
You seem like a kind and loving person. It is a good thing that you picked up on that you stopped going on dates and celebrating. Weekly dates are essential for fostering a pleasant relationship. They don’t always need to involve spending money. It is just about spending quality time together and being kind to each other.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantJust reminding you that there is another person who enjoyed your comments. Stephanie, I believe thanked you. So you are getting somewhere 😊 In fact, I believe that you are much close than you realise to your goal.
It may mean that you are under appreciated. But such is the nature of this place sometimes. People often only want to hear things that they agree with. It doesn’t mean that what is being said isn’t important if they are unable to deal with it at the time.
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