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ValoraParticipantI very much agree with what Mark said. You might feel like you’re bad at confrontation, but writing something in an email and leaving it at that is just going to give her a whole bunch of questions that you won’t be there to answer. If it’s that you stumble and don’t say everything, then Mark’s solution is perfect for that. Write a very clear, concise letter and read it to her, then answer her questions and give her closer. Make it concrete and final. Breaking up through email or any text is a coward’s way to end things, so please don’t do that to her.
I told her that my daughters are unhappy and my oldest doesn’t even want to come over anymore. I said we are all unhappy. I mean everyone. and that because of things i have done(talking to my ex repeatedly behind her back) that I don’t think i can ever show her the love she needs and I don’t think she will ever not have some doubt and insecurity with me. I pretty much said that I don’t think we are compatible as a family and such. Well, she was hurt and all, but then in denial again. It’s been two days and she’s still thinking we are going to be together forever.
When you talked to her and said all of those things, did you come out and flat-out say “I think we should break up” ? If you didn’t, I don’t even know if you really need a letter because it sounds like you said it all there aside from the most important words that finalize it… you just need to be firm and concrete with your wording…. “I have decided that we aren’t good together in a romantic relationship and I want to break up.” That leaves little room for doubt or denial.
And when she says things about finding a place or that she should probably move out, just to hopefully get you to tell her to stay… instead of staying quiet… AGREE with her. Vocally agree that, yes, she should find a place. She will get how you feel that way but staying quiet leaves room for interpretation.
The world is a cruel and ironic place that is for sure. classic saying” If i would have known then what I know now…” I would of know to leave my ex completely alone, when she first showed signs, I should of just walked away, swallowed my pride and hurt and just left. To be completely honest, that is what she needed.
That’s the thing about relationships… they teach us lessons. This was a good one for you to learn, and I’m sure you won’t make that mistake again, right? So it wasn’t all for nothing at least. It’s just preparing you for the BEST relationship.
of coarse because this whole thing has really made me understand what went wrong with my last relationship and how I caused the end because of how I acted and behaved.
You also can’t know that you caused the end because of how you acted and behaved. That’s technically a thought error called “mind reading.” You truly have no way of knowing what your ex was thinking or feeling or whether or not your relationship would’ve been saved if you’d done anything differently. She might’ve had a foot out the door and would’ve left no matter what you did. There’s no way of knowing… but honestly she probably did because it was the feeling of her pulling away that caused you to act like that, right?
But, yes, the lesson you learned is still a good one and it’s better to not do the things you did, BUT that doesn’t mean those things had any actual influence on the breakup…. just like your girlfriend’s actions now aren’t really the cause of you wanting to break up with her. You’ve been thinking of ending things since at least October.
ValoraParticipantI agree with Inky 100%. Sometimes we just don’t mesh well with people “energetically,” and things just feel off. We should not date those people…. especially if you’re feeling this way after only a month and a half. You should technically still be in the “deliriously happy, everything they do is perfect” phase.
On the other hand… I feel like it needs to be asked…. do you only experience this with him or is it with a lot of other people, too?
ValoraParticipantHi, B.
I agree with what Anita said.
Also, even though you’re finding it hard to move on, just remind yourself that it takes time. You have an attachment to him that you need to break, and not having anything at all will help you to break it, but it will take time. So be gentle with yourself, keep your distance, and give yourself time. Keep yourself free and open to meet someone who will treat you right.
March 15, 2019 at 9:07 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #284765
ValoraParticipantThe only best friend i really ever had is my buddy that i still see on a regular basis, we’ve know each other since we were 12. so for 33 years now. There have been times when either of us moved away for a year or two and it didn’t bother me. Not like this. It’s so hard to explain. There a so many times in a day when i see something or do something, and I just want to tell her. Not even a romantic thing, just because that’s what we did. I guess a way to put it in perspective is if a family member or animal died that lived with you, for the begging, you forget sometimes and when you get home you call out to them or think they are there. I guess that’s kind of how I feel, but it’s a year and a half later! We did not communicate very well in the end, but before that freaking weekend trip away. Even though we were 120 miles apart,we were in separable. We kept in touch frequently throughout the day and night every day.
Again, if there’s anyone here that understands this, it’s me. I totally get it and you don’t even have to explain it. I know exactly what you mean because I’ve felt the same way about my ex and had a very similar relationship with him as you did yours, so I want you to believe me when I tell you that it’s killing you because of the meaning you’re attaching to her in your mind and the things you’ve been telling yourself over and over for the last year. If you tell yourself over and over and over that she was your best friend ever and you’ll never find another and you’re miserable and empty without her, that’s exactly how you’re going to keep feeling because you’re constantly reiterating and reaffirming it to yourself. There’s a video by Kerwin Rae where he talks about saying “This is simple. This is easy. This is fun.” when you’re doing a job you don’t want to do and it makes the job more enjoyable because you’re basically tricking your brain into feeling like it’s enjoyable. That’s the kind of thing you might want to start doing when it comes to your ex. When you get some time, Google that video and it’ll explain the psychology behind it. What you’re doing right now is the exact opposite of what you want to be doing if you truly want to feel better.
My point about the best friend thing was that you aren’t lamenting it when they aren’t in your life, likely because you either expect that you’ll talk to them again at some point, or even if you don’t expect to, you know you’re capable of living without them… and if you’re capable of being fine when your best guy friend isn’t in your life all the time… you’re absolutely capable of being fine with your ex not in your life… you just have to stop telling yourself that you aren’t.
Aside from that, I STILL think of my ex daily, miss him very much, and I’m always thinking of things I want to tell him, so I understand where you’re coming from, but it doesn’t kill me because I don’t tell myself constantly that it’s killing me. My life is good. I’m okay and happy overall, and I know that. I don’t NEED him. I just want him. There’s a difference. If you’re feeling like you NEED her, then you have some work to do before you’ll ever be able to actually be with her again. But anyway… sometimes when I see a meme I wish I could show him, I’ll just save it in a folder on my computer to share if we are ever in each others’ lives again, and then I move on with my day. Maybe if you tried that… start a word document. When you think of something you want to tell her, just write it in there like you’re telling her, and then move on with your day. Don’t lament the fact that you can’t actually tell her… just write it like you’re telling her and move on.
But I can tell you one thing…. no matter what you do, you will never feel better if you keep telling yourself that you’re empty and miserable without her… even if that’s what you believe right now. Your feelings on that are showing you that you need to change that belief. It’s not a real thing. It’s just your attachment to her. You’re only thinking that way because you’re allowing yourself to believe it. And again… this is coming from someone who also had an extremely deep connection with her ex who felt like home and we were inseparable and texted nonstop when we were apart, and I still do think there’s a good chance we’ll end up back together at some point. You don’t have to give up all hope to be together in order to feel happy and whole. You DO have to give up the idea that she is perfection and there’s no one better for you. Keep hope alive if you feel you’re meant to be but also keep your options open.
Also… if you can only read a couple pages of a book before your mind wanders, meditation would probably be a good idea to start doing regularly. Train that brain to be able to focus without constantly having intrusive thoughts.
Why do you have to handle your current situation before you start counseling? You’re still planning on the breakup this weekend, right?
March 14, 2019 at 3:25 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #284659
ValoraParticipantI think it’s okay to feel like you’re meant to be together too, though, but just make sure you’re keeping your options open… like you want her or someone better.
I know ” if we connected so deeply, then why couldn’t we communicate?”
Honestly, that doesn’t really make any sense anyway. Just because you’re connected doesn’t mean either one of you have exceptional communication skills. That’s why you hear sometimes of people breaking up and then getting back together years later and it working so much better because they’ve grown and learned to communicate better in the time they were apart. Also, from what you’ve said, you were very much focused on how you were feeling at the time, and it’s hard to communicate effectively when that happens.
She was your best friend… but have you ever had a different best friend (girl or guy) in your life that you don’t talk to much now? I know I have, and it sucked to lose them at first, but eventually you stop missing them so much. If you’ve had that experience, take this as the same as that, even if the feelings are stronger or different with her. It still doesn’t mean she was the best you’ll ever get.
I think counseling will really help, too, and it’s a good idea that you’re planning on trying it again. There are several really good books on detaching and also healing from breakups. What do you think about reading books with advice on how to heal from heartbreak?
March 14, 2019 at 9:37 am in reply to: My Boyfriend Makes Comments About Other Women In Front Of Me #284601
ValoraParticipantI feel like what he’s doing is a very basic thing of what not to do in a relationship. You’ve told him that you don’t like the comments, and no matter what his opinions may be on why you don’t like the comments, it’s a reasonable thing to ask of him to keep them to himself and he should respect that.
The way I’d go at it is to dump him, honestly, but it’s up to you to decide whether or not this is a deal breaker, especially since he’s expressed that he has no plans of changing it and expects you to just deal with it. How you choose to deal with it is now up to you.
ValoraParticipantNo, you’re not wrong to not want to show him your phone. You’re right in that you’ve set a boundary of trust and it should be respected. This guy does not sound like he was any good for you at all. It’s likely you can’t stop thinking about him because you just broke up a few days ago and you still feel the attachment to him. Give yourself some time… like several months’ worth of time. The attachment will likely fade, your thoughts of him will decrease, and I’m sure you’ll feel much better for not having to deal with someone who treats you in this way.
I hope you feel proud of yourself for choosing not to tolerate this kind of treatment, because the fact that you chose to leave an abusive relationship is definitely something to be proud of. A lot of people stay when they shouldn’t.
ValoraParticipantIf I were you, I would just go ahead and tell her and present her with proof to back it up. It’s likely she won’t believe you unless you show her proof of it, if she trusts her man. Speaking from experience, I once had a boyfriend that cheated on me with about 8 different girls that I know of, and I didn’t even believe my close friends at first when they told me, but I finally believed it when I got him to admit it. So proof helps a lot in that case.
At any rate…. I think most people would want to know if their significant other were cheating on them, because, not only is it a betrayal, but if he’s sleeping with other women and not using protection with them or her, it invites STDs. So telling her would ultimately be doing her a HUGE favor, even though it will most definitely make her upset… but her being upset is ultimately the result of HIS actions, not the result of you telling her about his actions. Know what I mean?
ValoraParticipantJoe, when people say you’re good looking, please believe them. Do yourself that favor. I’m sure they wouldn’t say it if they didn’t mean it.
There is also good reason why you don’t like yourself in pictures…. lots of people don’t… because the image is flipped from what you see in the mirror. The mirror image of you is the one you see in your head. Pictures of you look different than the mirror version of you because everything is at opposite angles from what you’re used to seeing. So it looks really weird and not anything like you’re used to, so it’s understandable that you wouldn’t like it. Does that make sense?
I also want to say it’s normal to feel insecure, too, especially when you’re younger and that it generally starts to get better as you get older. I think just about everyone is insecure about some part of their bodies and has the feelings that you do, where sometimes they feel like they look good and sometimes not so much. It can take effort to appreciate your features more often than not, but remember that your bad view about how you look is just an opinion, and those can be changed.
Maybe saying some self-affirmations in the mirror would help? It might feel silly or awkward when you start doing them, but they’ve been shown to improve mood and mindset. Have you ever watched any of Kerwin Rae’s videos? He has one where he teaches people to say “This is simple. This is easy. This is fun” when they’re doing a task/job they hate, and repeating that phrase changes their mindset about their job to where it’s more enjoyable. He explains the psychology behind that in the video, but it’s basically tricking your mind into seeing what you’re doing in a different way. I think the same would go for your feelings about your appearance. If you look at yourself and say “dang, I look good today,” “I have a great, masculine nose,” or whatever you want to say… no matter whether you feel you do or not, but repeat it until you mean it and you can feel your mood lift, it’s quite possible that could improve your opinion of yourself.
March 13, 2019 at 8:13 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #284513
ValoraParticipantYeah, if you’re getting worse, it’s definitely a good idea to seek counseling. Go to someone different than before if you don’t feel like the last one helped you.
You seem really frustrated every time you post about her. Is it the fact that you’re still thinking about her that’s upsetting you or something else? Have you tried anything else besides trying to stay busy and distracted?
If it’s the fact that you’re thinking about her that’s frustrating you, you might just have to accept that she’s going to be on your mind and be okay with it. Don’t fight the thoughts when they come, but don’t encourage them either and don’t let yourself long for her. Not fighting the thoughts and being okay with them passing through whenever they come might help you diminish them. But lots of things still remind me of my ex, too. I think about him daily, and my son even talks about him quite often, but I’m just at the point where I appreciate that he was in my life and made such an impact on us, and it sucks that he’s not here now, but it is what it is. I’m okay with not having what I want because maybe I don’t have him because something better is on the way. Working to a point where you feel that way, though, where you’re okay with things being as they are for the time being helps a lot with the suffering.
ValoraParticipantThere is also something else that I want to talk about, ( and it annoys because I feel like im rumating), but I think I should acknowledge the fact that I have been very insecure about my nose since freshmen year. Back then it was not that bad, because I would just notice a hump (which was probably cause by playing rugby) through a certain angle in photos.
If it helps you any, I was insecure about my nose when I was your age, too. Mine is very small but is what I call “ski slopey.” I have a bump at the bridge that slopes down and then the tip of my nose turns up a little bit at the end but it’s quite noticeable from my profile because of the bump. I felt weird about it…. but then I had 2 kids who both have my nose and I love it now because I think their noses are cute on them… so that means mine probably doesn’t look so bad on me either. It just goes to show how we can see things on ourselves that we don’t like but when we see the same things on other people, we realize they’re actually not as bad as we thought…. so it’s probably not your nose that’s the problem, it’s just the way you’re viewing your nose.
During junior year I was insecure about it, but at the same time I knew girls thought I was pretty good looking, but this year I’m barely attracting any girls and feel like I became uglier.
It’s likely the girls are sensing your insecurities rather than anything about your facial features. I’m sure your physical attractiveness hasn’t changed much in that time, but confidence is emotionally attractive, so if you can get back to feeling like you look good and you like what you see and how you feel, I’m sure you’ll experience a turn-around when it comes to attracting the ladies.
ValoraParticipantI don’t know if we have had a truly honest conversation with each other about our expectations and needs in the relationship because both of us are scared of losing each other. I am scared if our wants and needs don’t match that we will lost our connection, something I am terribly afraid of.
You’re welcome! I quoted that part of your post above because you said something VERY important. You aren’t having these honest conversations because you’re scared of losing each other, but the irony here is that NOT having these conversations will likely lead to you losing each other because your needs aren’t being met. This happened with my ex and I. We were so scared to talk to each other because we were afraid of either disappointing or losing the other one that eventually my ex got frustrated and started feeling like you are now, only he made the decision to leave without talking to me about how to resolve the feelings he was having first. So those conversations are so, so very important to have if you value your relationship and your boyfriend as a partner.
So the good news is, at this point, you have nothing to lose really since you’ve already been considering a breakup… this conversation, though, might possibly prevent you from having to do the thing you’re scared of… you two may be able to find a solution where both of your needs are being met and then you both will naturally start feeling better by default, and if you can’t, find a solution, then you’ll know you’re not a match for each other, so you’ll have an answer to the question you posted here.
Even if you can’t meet in the middle on absolutely everything, if you can both find a workable compromise, that’s still a positive thing.
Good luck! I know these conversations can be daunting, but they are very worth it in the end.
ValoraParticipantMark, I just simply plan on telling her that i don’t think we are compatible. Not as families or lovers. That the amount that we fight and disagree and have issues with our children and our children having issues with each other is too much. That in fact it is reversed. What i mean by that is that for the amount of time we fight or have problems is the amount of time that we should be happy and all getting along and vise versa. I’m going to tell her that I’m just not happy like I should be and my girls are not happy either. That we need to be on our own. That I need significant time to also rebuild my relationship with my girls. That I just can’t do this anymore. Feeling guilty and responsible for her happiness and wellbeing.
Just jumping in to say that this sounds good. Solid reasons.
Also, I know you’re feeling guilty, but guiltiness implies a responsibility for a specific wrongdoing, and you are not the only person at fault for the downfall of this relationship or for her feeling hurt. You both contributed in your own ways. Although it’s totally understandable to feel sad or down, try to reframe it in your mind so that you know you aren’t the “guilty” party, she is not the victim, and that blame is shared quite equally in this case. People feeling hurt is a natural byproduct of situations like this and no one is technically at fault for that either. You both have hurt each other so no one is specifically to blame. It’s both of you. It might help you with your resolve to actually go through with the breakup this weekend if you’re able to get over that guilty feeling a bit.
ValoraParticipantHave you had a long conversation with your boyfriend about any of this? From what you’ve said, it doesn’t necessarily seem like you two are a bad match for each other, but it does sound like there is a communication breakdown.
For example, that vacation you took with your brother… your boyfriend apparently expected you to contact him a certain amount and you contacted him a lesser amount but it was an amount that you felt was acceptable. I’m guessing you guys didn’t talk about your expectations for contact before you left, right? So you were both expecting different things. Neither of you were necessarily right or wrong there, it was just a communication breakdown.
The same goes for the time spent with other people. He may be expecting one thing from you while that isn’t working for you but have you talked to him honestly and directly about your feelings and what you need? If not, let him know that you do need to spend time with other people, too, and that it’s nothing against him, it’s just healthy for people to have friend relationships outside of a romantic relationship and that is a need for yourself that you need to meet. He may be receptive to that. If that doesn’t work for him or it’s not something he can give you, then that’s an incompatibility, but it may just be another communication breakdown and he may be fine with you hanging out with others once he understands more by talking about it.
So before you convince yourself one way or another, I’d talk to him about all of this. It’s definitely worth a shot if you really care about the relationship because that open and direct communication, laying out boundaries and spelling out each of your needs so that you clearly know what each person expects, might solve a lot of your issues with each other and get you back to really enjoying each other’s company more often. And if it doesn’t solve anything, then it’s more likely you’ll know you need to go your separate ways.
ValoraParticipantReally, there’s no point in trying to understand why narcissists are the way they are. It’s a legitimate personality disorder that is unlikely to change… and lots of times, I’m noticing that they have at least one parent that is very enabling. Sounds like his mom is his enabler. That’s also unlikely to change because neither one sees anything wrong with his behavior.
You just need to stop letting yourself get sucked in. You know better at this point, right? No matter what you feel for him, you know your life is better off without him in it, so that is a boundary you must set for yourself and stick to it. Push HIM out before he pushes you out.
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