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    Good Saturday morning (it is here), Sleipnir πŸ™‚

    Sometimes a feeling motivates us to say or do something. For example (taking it from your new thread), you feel anxious about your health (a feeling), so you started a new thread about your health concerns, asking for advice (a doing).

    Sometimes we feel something, and next, we believe something that is not true, or we catastrophize (believe something is way worse than it is). For example, “my legs are going bye bye?” (from the same new thread).

    Did I answer your question, Sleipnir?

    πŸ€” Anita

    anita
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    (Obviously not done for this Fri night)..

    I reread through what I wrote to you tonight:

    I wrote, “What caught my eye this evening as I read through your original post is that after she brutally beat you, she cried and apologized.”-

    I figure that for a moment, she knew she was hurting you.. but immediately, she switched to her own hurt. And there she stalled: HER hurt returned to be her Focus…

    A momentary recognition of Robi’s hurt- in her mind- quickly dissipated and was no longer there-

    This sick and sickening self-centeredness.. Nothing you could have ever fixed, or could ever fix.

    I better go to bed.. early, 35 min to midnight.

    Anita

    in reply to: Emotional Exploitation as a form of Parenting..? #461276
    anita
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    Hello yet again, again, Sleipnir πŸ™‚

    What you’re talking about above is often called parentification, or emotional parentification.

    In healthy families, the parent comforts the child and the child gets to be a child.

    In unhealthy families, the child ends up becoming the comforter, taking care of the parent’s emotional needs instead of being cared for themselves.

    As for Opal, I think I understand the connection you’re making. Sometimes parents become so caught up in their own wounds that their child ends up carrying emotional burdens that never belonged to the child in the first place.

    You mentioned Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl (on your own thread).

    One of his most famous lines is:

    “Those who have a ‘why’ to live, can bear almost any ‘how’.”

    That made me wonder:

    What is your “why,” Sleipnir?

    I’ll tell you mine if you tell me yours. πŸ™‚

    Anita

    anita
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    Continued:

    Here it is, in your original post: “I felt alone and caged”, and “I was already blocked and suppressed so I must’ve disconnected from myself” (Feb 18, 2024)

    Oct 2, 2026: “it’s almost shocking to me.. to remember how caged I actually felt every single day.”- shocking now, because you’re unblocking and reconnecting to yourself.. thawing that Freeze response.

    What I just did was to quote your original post and your most recent (2 years and 8 months later), asking Copilot (AI) to analyze them and tell me about the kind of “parenting” you received (I did not at all volunteer my thoughts).

    Copilot: “Looking at both posts together, what strikes me most is not that Robi’s understanding has changed, but that it has deepened. In 2024, he already knew that something was wrong in his childhood.

    He could list the facts: being hit, being threatened with abandonment, having no privacy, spending endless hours waiting at his parents’ workplace, being forced into situations he hated, feeling unseen and disconnected. He understood intellectually that these experiences affected his adult life.

    But in his recent post, he seems to be reaching something more emotional and personal: “I didn’t actually like being with my parents.” That sounds simple, but it is a profound realization for many adult children from troubled homes.

    Most children naturally want closeness with their parents. When that doesn’t happen, children often assume something is wrong with them.

    Instead of concluding: “My home wasn’t emotionally safe,” they conclude: “I’m ungrateful.” “I’m difficult.” “I’m bad.”

    Robi seems to be recognizing that he genuinely did not feel safe, comfortable, or happy around his parents. He didn’t miss going home because home wasn’t a place of comfort for him.

    His parents’ parenting- Reading his descriptions, his parents come across as parents who consistently prioritized their own needs, routines, and comfort over their child’s emotional needs.

    Some examples: They gave him very little privacy. They ignored his repeated requests not to spend months at the lake house. They left him waiting for hours at their workplace. They responded to school difficulties with punishment rather than curiosity. His mother physically abused him. They threatened abandonment. They labeled him negatively (“bad apple”).

    The common thread is that they appeared unable or unwilling to see the world from his perspective. The message he seems to have received was: “You need to adapt to us.” “Your feelings aren’t important.” “Our needs come first.”

    A child can survive that, but it comes at a cost.

    How he adapted- Children usually cannot leave. They adapt. Robi seems to have developed several adaptations:

    * Attention-seeking and clowning- If emotional connection isn’t freely given, a child may learn to perform for attention. He describes creating a persona: “a clown that would do anything for little attention” That sounds less like immaturity and more like a child trying to get noticed.

    * Disconnection from himself- He repeatedly talks about suppressing his feelings. He learned: Don’t complain. Don’t need too much. Don’t be yourself. That often leads to adults who struggle to know what they want.

    * Escapism through computers- The computer became a refuge. Not because he was lazy. Because it offered things he wasn’t getting elsewhere: freedom, privacy, stimulation, control, escape

    * Self-blame- This may be the most important theme in the recent post. Instead of concluding: “My parents were hurting me,” he concluded: “Maybe I’m the problem.”

    When children are dependent on their parents, blaming themselves can feel psychologically safer than recognizing that their caregivers are failing them.

    The sentence that stands out most to me is: “The thing is I somehow forgot how bad things actually were.” I don’t think he literally forgot. I think he normalized it.

    Children adapt to whatever environment they grow up in. What feels shocking to an outsider often feels ordinary to the child living it.

    Now, as an adult, he’s looking at those experiences with fresh eyes and realizing: “Wait… that wasn’t normal.” “That wasn’t okay.” “No wonder I felt trapped.” “No wonder I wanted to escape.” “My body doesn’t lie to me”

    I think this is one of the healthiest insights in the recent post.

    For a long time, he seems to have been asking: “Why do I dislike them?”, “Why am I tense around them?”, “Am I just ungrateful?” Now he’s considering another possibility: “Maybe my reactions make sense.” It means his nervous system may be responding to real experiences that shaped him.

    In simple terms, Robi seems to be moving from: “Something is wrong with me because I don’t feel close to my parents.” to: “Maybe I don’t feel close to my parents because my childhood was painful.”

    That’s a very important shift. It moves the focus away from self-blame and toward a more honest understanding of what he actually lived through. And judging from both posts, that may be the deepest piece of work he is doing right now.”

    Back to me talking: I’m amazed how very, very, very.. very self-centered some parents are (yours, mine)- in their brains (I’m hitting the keyboard hard because I’m angry!) there’s only them, their distress, their inner trouble.. and their child.. simply doesn’t exist. And this, seems to me, what’s so common in the “parenting” I received and that which you received (30 years later)..

    There was no me in her world; there’s no you in their world.

    It’s not at all parenting. It’s emotionally 3-year-old “parents” having no idea what the hell they’re doing.

    😠 😑 😀 🀬 Anita (I’m okay, hope you’re okay too?)

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    I just reread some of your Feb 2024 original post in this thread. Already there, you used the word “caged” in regard to your childhood.

    Caged living behind a glass door in a guest room that served as your parents’ storage room.

    Caged waiting in their workplace for 7-8 hours, waiting for them to finish work

    Caged in the cabin by the lake, sleeping in the same room with them.

    The title of your thread says “becoming adul”- childhood Trauma robbed the T from becoming adult.

    What caught my eye this evening as I read through your original post is that after she brutally beat you, she cried and apologized.

    Fast forward to last night (your time),

    “I always felt sad for having to go back to living with them again”-

    Always felt sad to.. minimally living with them again, caged physically and psychologically.

    “I’ve been told by them, amongst other similar things.. that I was a bad apple…”-

    It’s a miracle and a testimony of your intelligence and resilience that you survived them at all, putting everything together.

    It’s Not Your Fault, Robi!

    B back 2 u shortly (moving to the computer)

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    “I feel sorry you’ve been through a similar childhood dynamic to mine. That must’ve been pretty hard.. Trust me – I know”- Thank you.. andI do trust you to know.

    “I realised I haven’t actually ever missed them as a child (except for maybe when I was very young).”- when you were old enough, you knew that they were empty of the qualities that the words “mother” and “father” represent- (consistent, or dependable) affection, positive attention, guidance, patience, respect, validation..So, there was nothing to miss?

    It’s not just that you weren’t happy to go back to living with them- you were sad (but “I always felt sad for having to go back to living with them again.”)- because every time you were away from them you regained a bit of what you lost living with them..

    I’ll continue tonight (not focused).

    Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi: I’ll reply later ( after the beagles’ play date)

    in reply to: Emotional Exploitation as a form of Parenting..? #461266
    anita
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    Hello yet again, Sleipnir πŸ™‚

    “The child helps the parent with their trauma without consent”- what an interesting way of saying it..

    I don’t know if I said it in this thread, or in another, but for many years I wished and dreamed of helping my mother, of turning her sad life into a happy life (I daydreamed of making her rich and famous, as I thought that’s what it’d take).

    Not realizing she had already helped herself to me (shaming me extensively, dominating me, feeling powerful as she did).

    Back to your words, I didn’t help her with her trauma, didn’t resolve it, or lessen it, it’s just that she got to feel temporarily powerful over someone else, for a change- an exception to her otherwise powerless experience of life.

    And yes, without my consent.

    I’m guessing you’re referring to a computer game (“My Little Pony G5)? I’ll look it up when I have the use of the computer ( using my phone now).

    I’d love to read more from you, in this thread, in your own, or in any other thread.

    Anita

    anita
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    Hello again, Sleipnir:

    I’m sorry that happened to you. Reading your post, it’s clear those experiences left deep wounds.

    One thing I learned is that before forgiveness is even possible, many people first need to fully acknowledge the harm that was done to them.

    Many trauma survivors try to forgive before they have fully recognized what happened to them. They tell themselves things like, ‘It wasn’t that bad,’ ‘Other people had it worse,’ ‘Maybe it was partly my fault,’ or ‘I should be over this by now.’

    But those thoughts keep the injury alive because a part of the person is still arguing with reality.

    To fully acknowledge the harm means being able to say, without minimizing or explaining it away:

    ‘What happened to me was wrong. It deeply hurt me. It had serious consequences. The anger, grief, fear, and scars make complete sense in light of what I went through.’

    Also, a child, a vulnerable person, or someone trapped in an abusive environment often has far less power than they imagine later, once out of the abusive environment. Survivors frequently carry hidden self-blame, believing ‘I should have stopped it’, rather than accepting ‘I was powerless in that situation.’

    As long as someone is secretly blaming themselves, anger remains tangled up with shame. The anger cannot fully settle because part of it is still turned inward.

    Letting go of anger is not the same as excusing what happened. Often, it begins with the opposite: clearly recognizing that an injustice occurred and that the responsibility belongs with those who caused the harm.

    Once a person no longer has to spend energy arguing with the truth or carrying blame that was never theirs, the anger can gradually lose some of its burden.

    .. Before someone can truly let go of anger, they may first need to fully acknowledge the harm that done. Not minimize it, not excuse it, not compare it to someone else’s suffering, but simply recognize, ‘What happened to me was wrong, and it hurt me.’

    When someone has been victimized, the responsibility belongs to those who committed the abuse, not the person who suffered it. I think anger sometimes stays so strong because it is still trying to defend a truth that has not been fully accepted yet.

    Your thoughts/ feelings, Sleipnir?

    Anita

    anita
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    Welcome to the tiny buddha forums, Sleipnir πŸ™‚

    If we approach people with warmth, openness, and respect, they are more likely to respond positively. Likewise, if we approach others with hostility, suspicion, or anger, we are more likely to provoke defensive or negative reactions.

    The universe does not always mirror us back perfectly though. Kind people are sometimes treated badly. Honest people are sometimes betrayed. Friendly people can still encounter hostile individuals. A person may bring patience and goodwill into a situation and still receive cruelty in return.

    So, I would say the realistic and psychologically sound truth in the story is not: ‘The world always gives back what you put into it.’, but rather:

    ‘The way you look at the world and the way you treat others strongly influences what you notice, what you experience, and how people often respond to you.’

    The story works best as a lesson about attitude and relationships, not as a literal explanation of how life always operates.

    Your thoughts, Sleipnir?

    πŸ€” Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    I just want to say, you wrote 2 days ago that your nervous system feels overloaded and that your 🧠 feels pretty fried-

    So, I understand why you didn’t post since.

    It’s all pretty intense, so, I’ll be here if and when you want to keep talking, at your pace.

    I was just looking for a closing emoji, a green leaf, perhaps, and came across this emoji: 😎 which made me think of you.

    Anita

    anita
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    Hey Nea πŸ™‚

    Your husband’s point is so very valid. I mean, imagine the extent of his hurt: his own parents gone and no extended family, growing emotionally attached to your father, forming a son- dad bond with him, or so he felt.

    And then he’s betrayed: his dad figure turns against him, starting indirectly (making faces, at him, talking behind his back, triangulating), and then directly (the incident), and then, 20 days later, saying absolutely nothing to him on your his biggest day.

    I imagine your husband hoped that your father will say something on that day, waiting and waiting πŸ˜”

    I wonder if when your father apologized to you, if he acknowledged that he did something wrong, calling you names..?

    Anita

    anita
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    Good Thursday Afternoon, Nea:

    Thank you πŸ™‚

    I hear your sadness on this day, about how different it is from the same day last year.

    You wrote that after your father called you names, he apologized- he apologized sincerely, his own initiative?

    But then it happened that he called you names and apologized again?

    I don’t think that you mentioned him apologizing for anything, so I thought he never did.

    Six weeks of no talking between father and husband, and you survived that silent tension.

    If your husband did say happy birthday to your father, to ease the tension, it might do the opposite of easing the tension. It might trigger your father..πŸ€”?

    Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #461231
    anita
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    Naturally, I miss talking to Confused. First post: Dec 19, 2025 (“Hello, reading this thread gave me relief since I’m suffering from the same thing for the first time in my life in the past 1.5 month…”)

    Last post, Sept 22, 2026: “Hey anita… My mind not only doubts and gets irritated by her in the past two days or so (she hasn’t done anything wrong), but I get irritated by everyone… ”

    I hope you’re okay, CoNfUsEd

    AnItA

    in reply to: Change #461230
    anita
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    Anytime you want to chat, be it about dogs or something else, you can come back here πŸ™‚

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